Age of Empires 4 - The GOAT vs The DON 

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Rus are better ?

Rus are s tier but french r out of the league. They get so far ahead in feudal age with autoheal knights raids and strong economic bonuses faster villager training and have s tier landmarks technologies bonuses & units throughout all ages.

@@benjii_boi I agree with you but the problem is that you will need time to make this work which is they're not considered an S tier civ. A decent player will not allow you to just sit back and boom till you get to this point. If you do get to this point however, the elephants really are strong

@@benjii_boi That is a lot of resources invested for defense early. In theory it looks good but personally, I highly doubt it will work. Unless your opponent just really leaves you alone for the entire game

That the casters were struggling to find games without French v French in the tournament means you don't need to think. It's just a fact. lol They need to over nerf the french a bit to make sure they aren't the top civ in the next patch. People won't like it but it needs to be done.

@@mikegamerguy4776 100% agree. First thing they need to do is hard nerf chivalry so they don’t just have regeneration knights in feudal for cheap asf. In my eyes it would make a lot more sense to increase the price and move it up to castle age, maybe even imp.

@@Hawklaxx I'd prefer to get stronger pikes or other less dramatic downgrades for the french, because making the french knight weaker might take out some uniqueness. Better to push other civilizations unique abilities. But yeah, right now it looks like a nerf is the only way... It is REALLY annoying to know that you can hardly do anything against french knights if your oponent manages to get 30 with max upgrades... :'-) What are you gonna do? Pikes? Get taken out by artillery AND knights as well... Crossbows? Ironic enough that the french have the best ones... Gunpowder units? Good luck protecting them from artillery and knights... Turtling behind walls doesn't really work right now so... gg I gues :'-)

@@Hawklaxx I like that idea by removing it until Imperial Age.

@@mikegamerguy4776 yes that and bring out more civilizations.

I don't see a reason to build it unless the enemy is massing men at arms

I made the mistake of thinking they would help counter royal knights if I had spears on the frontline. No it still doesn’t work

@@tmatthews0007 Arbaletest do a better job at it. Their pierce armor dmg and general armor stats are crazy good.

They're only good vs mass infantry, which is not a common tactic

@@WhatDuhDogDoin it would be a great counter to HRE age 3 push but its locked behind age 4 so really i don't see a use

Yeah but the crossbows also suck lol they don't have enough damage that gets past the armor Vs Knights

I think english vs french is the only circumstances where aging up using abbey of kings is better than council hall. Instead of massing longbow, you can just massing spear and keep healing them using them.

@@MrRoboticeyes And with healing, you can be more confident against mangonels, but then again, what is the counter to spears? Archers. Being able to answer enemy archers immediately, later in the game can still be useful. As english, I would go spears -> knights -> long bows. But if the feudal age last too long, then I would have to go spears -> long bows -> knights, since knights are only available to the English in the castle age, and there is no other option for enemy archers than long bows.

Good day fella's

The only thing I've ever seen is LOS. Sometimes siege can't shoot up.

the down side is u have to drop a lot of resources into it so ur a bit vulnerable till u make that up. the upside, u get 2x or 3x vills to ur opponent assuming they are on 1. u can make 2-3 for every 1 they make. so ur economy grows faster. the other upside is its a building that can protect up to 10 vills inside and shoots enemies. so it makes further resources safe. but the main reason is just the extra vill production

in settings, there's a checkbox option for "pin player info"

There's plenty of variety it's just the meta is narrow right now because the game was just released and the French are OP. A french player will always dictate the tempo of the game because they get knights online faster than other civs can mass spears etc. Knights, being mounted, can control the early game map better than foot soldiers and so other civs are forced onto spears, Palisades, and archers / crossbows to try to hold. We are seeing this same situation play out over and over again because there hasn't been a patch yet. When the patch drops, things will definitely be more interesting. That said, it's really fun to watch even now. I think AoE 4 launched very strong.

Hill and Dale I believe

this, french are so op its not even funny. Always same strategy, always ahead, no weakness, most op bonuses and unique units. I just quit the vid the second i see its the french

I really don't get it. I see the English as much as the French, mongols and Rus too. I don't see how them being strong makes it bad to watch? It's not like they can cheese like mongols, they are just strong. The Rus are arguably stronger but no one seems to mind. I really don't get it.

@@luckyblume2116 cheese strats are bad, and the fact that one of the best plays a mongols player can make vs French is cheese says a lot. Cheese only works on people who don't know how to counter it. Once people are comfortable countering it in higher elo it will drop out up there. No one is saying other civs are unplayable or weak, for the most part most of the other civs are balanced fine (Chinese, Delhi, Abbasid and HRE could maybe get some buffs). But French are absolutely broken and it shouldn't even be a debate at this point. 3 economy bonuses + knight rush (they are an improved version of knights at that) in feudal? No other civ really has the tools to deal with that. Sure you can wall up and try to delay, but that's all the french player needs you to do because then they control more of the resources on the map and will scale better into late game as a result, they will have more comfortable trade etc. And that's exactly what happened in this very game! Look at how the viper forced Don to turtle and denies him the map. He didn't do this by outplaying or tech switching either, he did it sheerly on the back of superior french production. And this is coming from a longtime AoE2 fan and player, I WANTED viper to win this game but even I can stop and notice he didn't win this from skill alone. That civ is a monster and it needs nerfs.

@@luckyblume2116 Didn't say they are bad to watch, but it's getting repetitive and boring at this point, tbh. @Aussie_Drongo, if you cast games where the French lose, I'd still love to see those, and I'm sure others would appreciate that as well. If you name the video "THE FRENCH DIDN'T WIN THE GAME FOR ONCE", it'll get, like, 100k views at least.

@@MickyMs THIS ^^^^ Give us the "French actually lost?!?!" vid it'll set the internet on fire. And don't clickbait have French actually lose.

Wondering the same thing. I think it's either "Lipany" or "Hill and Dale."

They have the camp ability for Longbows, so techincally they can self-heal ;)

They have early Man-at-arms, which has little synergy with their bonuses and seem to be rarely utilised.

Godly farming capability. Cost less to build and are more lucrative. It’s nice but it’s not enough to be better than French.

@@leeboy26 On pond maps those age I MAAs should be amazing, countering spears, even archers if your opponent tries Feudal over early aggression - and you can just take out all those harbours. Controlling ponds while your opponent doesn't (and wasted wood on them) should be really powerful.

The English also have +25% attack speed at home and vills with bows, so they have an easier time defending and can more easily snipe a scout. That's pretty useless if you go out attacking knights+mangonels with longbows+spears instead of switching to handcannoneers+springalds.

they do well against anything except speed mangos tbh

The question is, what does anyone do into France. The civ is broken as hell. I come from AoE2 and I was routing for Viper but realized halfway through his civ is doing a lot of work for him tbh.

15 on the cannon. 12 on the arrows. And I think 13 or 14 on the springalds emplacement. Doesn't save you from CW trebs though, which have 16.

Only berkshire palace. That thing is a defensive powerhouse. But the range is not 16 as muenni wrote.

Rus?