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Last year, at Double Down, SluG pulled an insane upset vs the #1 player in the world. But he didn’t do it alone. Today we take a closer look at some of the ins and outs of the secondary Ice Climber, Nana.
song is "Hero Town" by @Vulf
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@michaelfradley6950
@michaelfradley6950 11 месяцев назад
heh,heh,h,h,e,hhmmm ,,, bimg head nana ::)))
@PRLCKLY
@PRLCKLY 10 месяцев назад
hehehehhee
@glowkirby
@glowkirby 10 месяцев назад
hehe :3
@Grimbaloo
@Grimbaloo 10 месяцев назад
Burger
@jajajaun
@jajajaun 10 месяцев назад
*y u p* (i said that because big head nana said it)
@lukethekuya
@lukethekuya 7 месяцев назад
cacaGODS won
@MisterZebra42
@MisterZebra42 11 месяцев назад
I learned more about Nana from this 5 minute video than I have in 8 years of watching Melee
@_Majunior
@_Majunior 11 месяцев назад
Fiction has a really good video on her if you're ever curious. Unlike most of his educational content, it's really well edited and has nice illustrations to go along with it.
@michaelfradley6950
@michaelfradley6950 11 месяцев назад
Tbf most melee commentators would be 2 games through a bo5 by the time they were through saying all this, and that’s assuming they can project these helpful visuals directly into your brain to speed up the data transfer
@_Majunior
@_Majunior 11 месяцев назад
@@michaelfradley6950 never mind the fact that most make commentators don't even know this stuff. I always end up muting the commentary when IC are on the screen because they just share misinformation or assume things that are wrong. I'm not blaming them for not knowing but it's pretty annoying when they try to act like it.
@Mrfinch9999
@Mrfinch9999 10 месяцев назад
You should try playing it too. Melee is much more fun to play.
@nathandude100
@nathandude100 10 месяцев назад
Same
@Riasiru
@Riasiru 10 месяцев назад
Nana grabs you by the throat, smacks you once, and whispers softly in your ear, "Tonight. You," just before she vanishes in a puff of smoke... Truly terrifying.
@lasercraft32
@lasercraft32 Месяц назад
I would never sleep again.
@winkone101
@winkone101 10 месяцев назад
My heart breaks for HBox. Basically the Melee equivalent of "no one wanted to be my partner, so I had to partner with the teacher".
@wolizuka
@wolizuka 10 месяцев назад
HBox would be more the type of guy to chose to team up with a CPU rather than with a mid to high level player. I'm sure dozens of people would have been happy to team with him cause he's good at the game and famous
@PhrozenFox
@PhrozenFox 9 месяцев назад
@@wolizuka He's also just a genuinely cool and good-hearted person in a sea of controller smashers and shit talkers.
@leaffinite3828
@leaffinite3828 9 месяцев назад
​@PhrozenFox guy who just watched the emplemon doc says what?
@bumpersincapped
@bumpersincapped 8 месяцев назад
​@@PhrozenFoxbro fainted on stream after a popoff
@musicaldoge9412
@musicaldoge9412 7 месяцев назад
what
@vocel343
@vocel343 10 месяцев назад
Nana really grabbed this man, looked him in the eyes and said: "This ain't over. Imma kill you in my next life." And then disappeared Striking fear into the heart of Zain.
@turndownforwalt
@turndownforwalt 11 месяцев назад
Love how you blended your current design work/colors with these explanations. Great work as usual!
@B-R23
@B-R23 11 месяцев назад
dude you are so good at editing
@EliTheGleason
@EliTheGleason 11 месяцев назад
High level stuff
@xzxx1xzx
@xzxx1xzx 11 месяцев назад
Sluuuuurp
@frigginmanatees8616
@frigginmanatees8616 11 месяцев назад
Actually though, the silhouettes and the nana mlem were distractingly good
@mijhaelandressamaniegomuno28
@mijhaelandressamaniegomuno28 10 месяцев назад
So true, and it goes to the dumpster doing melee videos lol
@xzxx1xzx
@xzxx1xzx 10 месяцев назад
@@mijhaelandressamaniegomuno28 so true
@elbarnes
@elbarnes 10 месяцев назад
I love how, with Zain being so shook from the grab and it getting cut short, it seems like the only thing that prevented Nana from continuing to be a menace is the respawn she goes through where she’s forced to blip out of existence mid-attack to return to popo
@herobrineharry7698
@herobrineharry7698 11 месяцев назад
3:11 I would be really interested to see if changing this (having Nana at level 9 always being the obvious) would meaningfully change how people have to deal with ice climbers
@megapussi
@megapussi 11 месяцев назад
It would probably make it a little bit harder to get low% kills on nana, which could end up being relevant considering that killing nana quickly is a really effective strategy to beat icies for most of the cast
@hadesthegod9181
@hadesthegod9181 11 месяцев назад
That’s what I’m thinking. Or at least have it be every 10%. As it is, you’re rarely going to get a Nana that grabs (120%+)
@bastian_5975
@bastian_5975 10 месяцев назад
two other little tweaks could be to change the follow target for nana to the enemy if popo was in a screen/star KO, and changing the pathfinding AI so that Nana will slightly prioritize paths that get within range of the enemy so that she will attack a bit more often. Edit: I reread this while watching a video of Baba is You, and I thought I was talking about characters from that game and got very confused
@stephendonovan9084
@stephendonovan9084 10 месяцев назад
@@bastian_5975When the Popo be above 120%: Nana Is Grab
@Buglin_Burger7878
@Buglin_Burger7878 10 месяцев назад
Yes because getting them split suddenly makes it 2v1 and level 9 AIs are effective in duos.
@ashequestionmark
@ashequestionmark 11 месяцев назад
Every single day I miss SluG :(
@oatmeal2goskits492
@oatmeal2goskits492 11 месяцев назад
me too buddy
@Kitth3n
@Kitth3n 11 месяцев назад
What happened to Slug?
@ashequestionmark
@ashequestionmark 11 месяцев назад
@@Kitth3n retired/is taking a break last I heard
@kardar233
@kardar233 11 месяцев назад
I hope MOF is on the come up after that huge 3-0 on jmook
@TheRealBlazingDiamond
@TheRealBlazingDiamond 11 месяцев назад
​@@ashequestionmarkOh, is that all? Good for him then, he's touching grass :)
@matthewwojtechko1946
@matthewwojtechko1946 11 месяцев назад
As a kid playing Melee, observing the CPU’s behavior was always intriguing. Fascinating deep dive here!
@ClassicBentobox
@ClassicBentobox 11 месяцев назад
What an amazing video. This community sure blows me away sometimes. Very lucky to have creators like you.
@colewarnock8694
@colewarnock8694 10 месяцев назад
you prolly already know him but asum saus is very similar and i think this guy definitely takes inspiration from him
@cseager3239
@cseager3239 10 месяцев назад
I remember being a kid and knowing that lvl 9 Gannondorf was like the final boss of melee. I never knew until today that professional melee players utilize that as well. I must have played so much as a kid I just intuitively knew that like that was just a far more challenging character to play against.
@donnyf88
@donnyf88 11 месяцев назад
After years of melee.. I never knew the CPU of Nana..very well done and graphic wise.
@halofactorymoon
@halofactorymoon 10 месяцев назад
Its cool to see a video visualising the attack sensor ranges! I recently reverse engineered these tables in Smash 64 in order to improve Smash Remix’s AI for their new fighters. I wonder how the tables differ between games.
@shuraizo2877
@shuraizo2877 11 месяцев назад
Great video, editting and explanation, very clear and understandable! Also, I'm glad the music volume is on the same level as your narration, so I don't have to change it every segment of the video
@k_k_aisa
@k_k_aisa 11 месяцев назад
Videos like this are part of what makes Melee special.
@theradman9478
@theradman9478 11 месяцев назад
Great upload, stellar editing. Actually useful and fun information.
@forestskilbred9461
@forestskilbred9461 11 месяцев назад
The editing was so good here, awesome job and great video
@CrispyGFX
@CrispyGFX 2 месяца назад
Nana doing what is effectively a pump fake before dematerializing is the most menacing thing I've ever seen in this game.
@EriksPlace
@EriksPlace 11 месяцев назад
When the title hit and you cranked up Hero Town I already knew this was gonna be a banger. How/when do you decide on the song for each video? Your one on the Jmook recovery was so integrated I couldn't figure out which came first. This is easily the highest effort per-second Smash content currently being made.
@TheRealBrandonPerna
@TheRealBrandonPerna 11 месяцев назад
First video of yours I’ve seen and I’m excited to see more. Great stuff man, this was super interesting and well made
@sagacious03
@sagacious03 11 месяцев назад
Very interesting analysis video! Thanks for uploading! I didn't know about a lot of this level moves stuff, & would love to hear more!
@Dabrebro
@Dabrebro 10 месяцев назад
Good choice with the Vulfpeck! Love the visuals, editing and sound mixing, good work!
@zyst6
@zyst6 11 месяцев назад
This is the best explanation of IC mechanics I've ever seen. Great job! Really love your videos
@comfy39
@comfy39 10 месяцев назад
Not a melee guy, but the great editing, concise explanations, and good tunes means I spent the last half hour watching every video you have uploaded. Keep it up :)
@lucasmaciel3850
@lucasmaciel3850 11 месяцев назад
I was listening to a vulfpeck playlist when I clicked on this video. It took me a while to realize that it was also the bgm for the video and not my music app playing over the video lmao
@P-MK
@P-MK 2 месяца назад
Found ya from the GDIME #7 shoutout! Had to browse through a lot of comments to reach your channel but MAN it was worth it, these visuals are so good!! p.s., The prints are really pretty and unique and there's even a hint of inspiration from the main man himself in there! Love to see it :D
@davidvkimball
@davidvkimball 11 месяцев назад
One of the best Melee videos I've seen in a while. Great job.
@lucianpayne5158
@lucianpayne5158 4 месяца назад
love the song choice! I never thought I’d hear this in the background of a video, I thought it’d be too distracting, but you just happen to be an excellent visual storyteller. awesome!
@TheRavingLobster
@TheRavingLobster 11 месяцев назад
Bro I swear every video you just get better and better, keep it up! :D
@MrSlowpez10
@MrSlowpez10 11 месяцев назад
So much good info presented so well. Idk how you do it, but it must take so much work
@archonicmakes
@archonicmakes 9 месяцев назад
these videos explain things well and are impeccably edited. keep it up dude! :)
@markg2142
@markg2142 3 месяца назад
the level 9 bots are essentially frame perfect 9 year olds
@morosepapaya
@morosepapaya 10 месяцев назад
Sweet visuals and great explanations. Here's a sub, you deserve many more
@azurecerulean1279
@azurecerulean1279 9 месяцев назад
i discovered this in my recommended and im shocked with how great the editing is
@CopperScott
@CopperScott 11 месяцев назад
Bro, this was awesome! I love learning new stuff about the game like this
@rengarrengar9417
@rengarrengar9417 11 месяцев назад
I've never seen such a video for melee, it's really amazing ! Gj dude !
@alexlowe2054
@alexlowe2054 4 месяца назад
1:46 This might have been the best single joke I've seen all month. Excellent pacing and style.
@emmbeesea
@emmbeesea 11 месяцев назад
Absolutely delightful and insightful. Can't wait for the next one!
@PrismsDesign
@PrismsDesign 11 месяцев назад
Wow, this was such an incredible video. I learned so much here. Amazing stuff man, criminally underrated
@steviebea
@steviebea 10 месяцев назад
this is insanely well produced and interesting! well done!
@gbowers123
@gbowers123 11 месяцев назад
Welcome back. My favourite Melee channel on RU-vid.
@The23rdGamer
@The23rdGamer 10 месяцев назад
I don't watch much smash at all, but this was excellent presentation! I may have to check out more from your channel.
@Duffy_SSBM
@Duffy_SSBM 11 месяцев назад
Absolutely loving your stuff. The art is sick but I wish there were higher res/more zoomed in images! I want to see what the Melee is hard poster says for example
@MeleeMoments
@MeleeMoments 11 месяцев назад
good point, i’m realizing there’s not really a central place to find full-res images of the art. i’m going to look into putting those on the website, in the meantime if you go back a few months on my twitter media tab you can see them that way. the melee is hard one was posted on may 17th
@Duffy_SSBM
@Duffy_SSBM 11 месяцев назад
@@MeleeMoments awesome, thanks for the reply!
@ohithur
@ohithur 11 месяцев назад
Awesome stuff as usual. Just bought a couple stickers too. Keep up the good work!
@just-linx8271
@just-linx8271 10 месяцев назад
This is well produced! Nice work.
@WorstRivenNA
@WorstRivenNA 11 месяцев назад
Great editing and presentation!
@Blundabus1337
@Blundabus1337 10 месяцев назад
nana when popo is at 0%: mmm crayons nana when popo is at 140%: SO THOU HAS CHOSEN DEATH
@scala_xl
@scala_xl 9 месяцев назад
The graphic design on these transitions are top-notch 💯
@salvatoreIII
@salvatoreIII 10 месяцев назад
Very educational. Never knew about different moves being unavailable to the cpus at lower levels.
@notwhoyouare1543
@notwhoyouare1543 11 месяцев назад
you always deliver with some sick shit brodi, big ups.
@raffshot
@raffshot 11 месяцев назад
great video and i loved the vulfpeck as the music
@hadesthegod9181
@hadesthegod9181 11 месяцев назад
Amazing video. I think we’re all in agreement: Why didn’t any of us know this sooner? I’ve been picking up esoteric Melee knowledge from RU-vid and forums for 10 years, and I never knew any of this.
@mariotaz
@mariotaz 10 месяцев назад
Amazing editing 😊
@heckensteiner4713
@heckensteiner4713 10 месяцев назад
Great video! It's insane that people are analyzing and playing this game this hard 22 years later.
@ciarzyx
@ciarzyx 11 месяцев назад
Appreciate the Vulfpeck!
@AlfonsoAlvz
@AlfonsoAlvz 11 месяцев назад
Man, neat content! Awesome edit!
@AlfonsoAlvz
@AlfonsoAlvz 11 месяцев назад
May I ask what tools did you use for editing? 😁
@seanmakesthings
@seanmakesthings Месяц назад
Such a rad breakdown!
@benstoller2335
@benstoller2335 11 месяцев назад
Great editing, great music, great knowledge
@erikrutledge4940
@erikrutledge4940 10 месяцев назад
Melee and Vulfpeck, you sir have earned a subscription
@trollof229antthevariable9
@trollof229antthevariable9 4 месяца назад
Excellent production value
@aLFssbm
@aLFssbm 11 месяцев назад
Amazing stuff, keep it up
@matthiasrieke1427
@matthiasrieke1427 4 месяца назад
great quality of videos !
@user-nb5hl3qd2m
@user-nb5hl3qd2m 2 месяца назад
I can’t believe nana is rarely going to be able to grab, she legit going to stay around 1-5.
@mammaspojke9813
@mammaspojke9813 11 месяцев назад
Amazing editing
@whydoyougottahavthis
@whydoyougottahavthis 10 месяцев назад
The slight UP music you played with the Luigi joke was fucking perfect 😂😂😂
@KingDragon6815
@KingDragon6815 11 месяцев назад
Great vid!!!
@Chrisuan
@Chrisuan 11 месяцев назад
Amazing video, really well made! Keep it up please
@CheeTheOG
@CheeTheOG 11 месяцев назад
Very informative on how Nana's AI works didn't know that she increased her level by the amount of percentage Popo has I also miss Slug :(
@3ricbae
@3ricbae 11 месяцев назад
the goat uploads again
@shiina4861
@shiina4861 11 месяцев назад
another absolutely incredible video, one of the best channels in gaming
@grab2win982
@grab2win982 11 месяцев назад
Perfect explanation!
@partlyblue
@partlyblue 10 месяцев назад
What a beautiful video!
@bibbyboxx2219
@bibbyboxx2219 11 месяцев назад
Fascinating!
@Doggowithasubmarine
@Doggowithasubmarine 10 месяцев назад
Anyone got a link to the 2v2 where Hungrybox is playing with a lv9 ganon?
@jwalkrr2710
@jwalkrr2710 7 месяцев назад
good ole Vulfpeck always bangs
@darlingj.canela
@darlingj.canela 11 месяцев назад
Slug, Popo and Nana it's the name of the album. Great video.
@MarMaxGaming
@MarMaxGaming 11 месяцев назад
This 5 min video must’ve taken at least 10 hours… great job!
@Swing_Bonnie
@Swing_Bonnie 10 месяцев назад
I love the new visual design
@andrew3692
@andrew3692 11 месяцев назад
oh man im not sure if i ever saw the full sequence play though idk what I saw even though i learned so much 😢
@BlobstoF
@BlobstoF 10 месяцев назад
That was. SPECTACULAR. I'm subbing right now
@OliverBaer-tb6fo
@OliverBaer-tb6fo 9 дней назад
Had no idea the cloud was named Randall
@elise3852
@elise3852 11 месяцев назад
HERO TOWN MOMENT LET’S GO
@SirNarax
@SirNarax 3 месяца назад
1:47 I really liked that.
@basicdamine
@basicdamine 10 месяцев назад
Nana: "Imma about to ends this whole man's career"
@nya69
@nya69 11 месяцев назад
its so insane how much they gutted nanas ai in ult, just get to popo by any means necessary usually straight into the opponent with no attack or airdodging to ledge as u try to upb to save her..
@KopperNeoman
@KopperNeoman 4 месяца назад
Probably because Ultimate's AI is smart enough that slipping Nana out of follow state would actually HELP the IC player rather than screwing him over.
@zgs1997
@zgs1997 11 месяцев назад
What's the song at 1:46 ? I remember it from my childhood, but I can't place it.
@jakegripss
@jakegripss 11 месяцев назад
It’s from the Pixar movie Up!
@HarmonicVector
@HarmonicVector 8 месяцев назад
"Nana will always recover towards Randall." All hail the AI Overlord, Randall!
@froG_SSBM
@froG_SSBM 11 месяцев назад
man, I miss slug
@therealwhite
@therealwhite 3 месяца назад
Dude starts out with Hero Town in the background you know I'm gonna give a like
@RamadaArtist
@RamadaArtist 6 месяцев назад
The rapid short range attacking and frame-perfect inputs that lvl 9 AIs are capable of means that they tend to be much harder to fight if you use the strategies you would against a top level player, instead of simply exploiting how dumb they are about navigating the space. Peach in particular can be absolutely brutal and pull off 50% combos with alarming speed if you try and rush into her face and get really aggressive. (Which was very useful for trying to figure out strategies with Roy that actually help his approach. For one, dashing into a side-B is infinitely safer than his standard dash attack, because the dash attack has a very short window for it's hitbox, and Roy's own hurtbox extends past the attack distance, meaning if you try to use it for approach he'll usually whiff AND run into an attack. Dashing side-b immediately halts his momentum and is a good opener for his combos; dashing side-b to grab to back throw to side smash is highly effective against the space animals. The terrible range and low knockback on his dash attack actually makes it much better as a mid-combo move than an approach.)
@sliver170
@sliver170 10 месяцев назад
You learn something new about Super Smash Brothers Melee every day...
@yousseftamer4943
@yousseftamer4943 10 месяцев назад
Holy… I didn’t expect Nana of all characters to be so goddamn BROKEN
@Sugar3Glider
@Sugar3Glider 10 месяцев назад
Ooo, this was **exceptionally** informative
@gunrugger
@gunrugger 11 месяцев назад
Love the use of vulfpeck can I get a link to your spotify?
@fritothedemon6647
@fritothedemon6647 11 месяцев назад
Such a sick video
@rockzyk1291
@rockzyk1291 6 дней назад
SICK song choice. Amazing band.
@demioseprinz3327
@demioseprinz3327 10 месяцев назад
Could you make a tutorial on how to achieve the silhouette effect?
@Claptain_Planet
@Claptain_Planet 11 месяцев назад
This would be a cool mode in slippi. 2v2 match making you pick your player and teammate
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