Aikido: What Works, and What Doesn't

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Christopher Hein - a functional Aikido sensei who has been pressure testing his Aikido for over two decades and me, a former Aikido instructor now focused on combat sports met up to rank the best and worst Aikido techniques.
Check out Christopher Hein's channel here: / chushintani
00:00 Aikido instructors who pressure test their techniques
00:38 How we will be scoring the techniques
01:00 Ikkyo | Rokas' score
01:33 Ikkyo | Chistopher's score
04:09 Nikyo | Rokas' score
04:33 Nikyo | Chistopher's score
05:40 Sankyo | Rokas' score
06:13 Sankyo | Chistopher's score
07:53 Irimi Nage | Rokas' score
08:33 Irimi Nage | Chistopher's score
09:16 Kaiten Nage | Rokas' score
10:25 Kaiten Nage | Chistopher's score
13:24 Yonkyo | Rokas' score
13:52 Yonkyo | Chistopher's score
15:56 Juji Nage | Rokas' score
16:17 Juji Nage | Chistopher's score
#aikido #martialarts #christopherhein
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Lead by this realization I decided to make a daring step to close my Aikido Dojo and move to Portland, Oregon for six months to start training MMA at the famous Straight Blast Gym Headquarters under head coach Matt Thornton.
After six months intensive training I had my first amateur MMA fight after which I moved back to Lithuania. During all of this time I am documenting my experience through my RU-vid channel called "Martial Arts Journey".
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@MartialArtsJourney 2 года назад

Check out Christopher Hein's channel here: ru-vid.com Or check out my Aikido vs Judo sparring: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-InqR17oQ8t4.html

@mdug7224 2 года назад

11:00 Soto kaiten 👍

@openthekimonoco Год назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ULpuzmwq0iE.html PS everything is leveraged from the feet/Torifune, 70 - 30 stance is the give away, otherwise it is shoulder wrestling and hard work ( small or weak people may as well go home).

@openthekimonoco Год назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ij0k1BKnqnE.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wwoKJNNnMwo.html

@oscarpearson7981 2 года назад

I don’t mean this in an offensive or “looking down on” sense but break-falling should be s-tier. At my bjj club we do a judo class and a lady at our club who did Aikido for years takes no damage from getting thrown no matter how hard you throw her or in whatever way you throw her (even if it’s a fast Sode or a drop Seoi Nage). Such a useful skill to have in martial arts for the training room if you wrestle or do judo and in real life if you get older (or when you’re younger) and can fall safely without getting hurt.

@ryanbarclay7939 2 года назад

I agree wholeheartedly! Break falls aren't even a strictly martial arts skill, they're a "don't break your head on the ground" skill. Good for everyone to know.

@mcjon77 2 года назад

Break falls are absolutely S-tier. In fact, they are the most likely technique that you will ever use to save yourself from injury. I have a buddy who's a hapkido black belt. He's never had to use his hapkido in a fight, but the break falls that he's learned has saved his bacon more than once. He's a house painter and actually fell off his ladder ones and the breakfall prevented him from cracking his skull.

@turbopowergt 2 года назад

Of all the skills I learned in martial arts, my combined 4 years of Judo and Aikido have saved me from being hurt from falling on ice, down stairs, etc. And that isn’t to mention the times in sparring and actual street fights being swept or taken to the ground.

@egontokessy1610 2 года назад

I've noticed that too, Aikido really gets technical with the break falls where as in a BJJ class they kind of cover it loosely probably because we train in a lot on soft Mats.

@youngmojito4299 2 года назад

Wait I'm a bit confused: your judo class doesn't teach how to break falls ? It's the first thing you're supposed to learn in a judo class, even before learning how to throw techniques of your own as it is required for it to get as a reflex in order to train consistently and safely. I don't understand how it would be feasible to get a full drill on throws or even fast leg barrages without potentially hurting the students without teaching how to absorb falls beforehand... Tbh it's even more of a needed skill in judo itself than in aikido and everyone in your class should be able to take falls like the lady you're mentioning before going to throws. Maybe talk about it with your instructor? It seems a bit dangerous: it's like not wearing proper safety gear when doing a construction job... Sorry my post was a bit long or a bit harsh but I'm just genuinely concerned about this situation.

@KARATEbyJesse 2 года назад

Amazing guest Rokas! 👏

@MartialArtsJourney 2 года назад

🙏🙏🙏

@julietpapa2657 2 года назад

I love how present you are in this YT martial arts community

@hybrisbma1 2 года назад

I'm a very simple man. I see Christopher Hein in a RU-vid thumbnail and i click.

@wizi5339 2 года назад

As a HEMA practitioner I can say that some aikido techniques, specially a variant of irimi nage, are really useful in medieval/rennaisance longsword combat due to how close the combat tends to be and the posibility of grappling after some clashes.

@kanucks9 2 года назад

So you would take a shot at an irimi nage over an osoto gari if you get bound up high?

@wizi5339 2 года назад

@@kanucks9 totally, due to the fact that I only have one arm available(sometimes two), but the clothes cannot be hanged on and when we train we use really sturdy gloves so I cannot grab someone using my hands but I can push them using my arms and the insides of my elbow

@Vatras888 2 года назад

Aikido rooted in sword fighting so no wonder why its working beter in this situatiosn.

@wizi5339 2 года назад

@@Vatras888 I've had experience with both aikidos and bujinkans defensive systems against sharp blades(longsword in this case), and let me say that both really suck at trying to defend yourself against a sword

@Vatras888 2 года назад

@@wizi5339 Probably because they try do defend against sword with bare hands. That is almost immpossible. Real defence againts sword is with dagger or short sword or another sword. Aikido is focused on defence from diaarming you. Wrist grab that is attack iniciating most of aikido techniques is in fact symbolising atttepmt to prevent you from drawing a sword. Aikido techniques becomes very realistic when you equipe both attacker and defender with swords.

@goreobsessed2308 2 года назад

I loved how my dad used this paticular style he was a big man around 300 pounds he basically just used alot of the basic moves mixed in with moves he picked up from his earlier judo studies. I'd have loved to see him spar with someone

@mikedasilva5239 2 года назад

Tomiki Aikido combines Judo with Aikido.

@shadeau6 2 года назад

Is his name Steven Seagal?? 😏😯🙄🤔

@muhaiminakbar4472 Год назад

@@shadeau6 nah I bet his dad can beat Steven seagal

@md_f_dnn 2 года назад

I've never done Aikido before but I do have some experience sparring with some of its techniques simply just out of curiosity, I found that there is actually a pretty good setup for irimi nage off of an arm drag, it's really easy to shoot your arm under a person's chin in order to take them down when you do it off of an arm drag

@miltiadisteale214 2 года назад

I found this exact thing when I started bjj as well. Before I was taught arm drags I would occasionally catch some blue belts by surprise just using good timing to get behind them and do irimi nage. Then I was taking to my friend about it and he showed me an arm drag which helps me get it a lot more consistent

@egontokessy1610 2 года назад

I love Heins, he’s really changed my opinion on Aikido, especially with his earlier sparring where he is holding the wrist with the weapon. The Aikido naturally comes out. A true martial artist that has made my journey easier where he has dedicated his time to really understanding the art where people would have abandoned it. I’m guilty of throwing the baby out with the bath water with my Tong Long without trying to understand the principles or the context of the martial art.

@MartialArtsJourney 2 года назад

Throwing the baby with the bathwater... Been there too 😁

@NakedSteak 6 месяцев назад

I love Hein´s aproach to aikido. It changed my view of aikido completly.

@ChungsMartialArts 2 года назад

Thank you Rokas, I have enjoyed your work over the past few years. I have been working on Christopher Hein’s methods for about a year now (I’m not a direct student but I do some video calls with him). We have experienced a lot of success so far. I wanted to share a couple of insights. 1. In making the aikido functional, it’s important to build a tiered approach so that you aren’t trying to take the technique from the form and go to 100% resistance right away. That doesn’t work well with combat sport techniques either. For example, with the disarming techniques, I start with static disarms so that students get profiles. I then add attack angles, I then allow for the attack to come in at any angle without the defender knowing (no resistance yet), I then add resistance using the arm they are holding the weapon with, then we go to full resistance where the attacker can resist with the holding arm and switch the the weapon to the other hand. Like any live training, you can’t get good at the 100% resistance part without a lot of practice in the lower tiers, but we have made considerable progress so far. The trick seems to be getting high reps in the partial resistance tiers, which isn’t as demanding on your body but still helps you develop skills for the full resistance tier. I took this approach from the methods used in sport Taekwondo training, where we do a lot of live drills that are just pieces of sparring (still using resistance) to help students develop their overall sparring ability. 2. One interesting way to experiment with aikido is to try all of the techniques while holding a knife in your hand. You will see right away that a lot of it seems to be designed for weapons retention, which is a big part of the Christopher Hein approach. It will start to really change how you see the system. If you haven’t tried it before, I highly recommend it! Much respect sir, thank you for all of your hard work!

@jessepriest2883 2 года назад

The second point makes a lot of sense. Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu (the parent art of Aikido for anyone who isn't familiar with the history) was designed for imperial court guards. The guards were the only ones allowed to carry weapons, so weapon retention was one of their main concerns. I think the loss of the original context of a martial art is part of the issue with many traditional martial arts.

@ocaikiclub2859 2 года назад

Time for everyone to realize Aikido is an armed (traditional) based system. That way all makes sense, including why is so weak as a style if you remove weapons. Kudos to both!

@AztecUnshaven 2 года назад

You might wanna visit Tenshin style (Seagal student) instructors. There are plenty of combat principles Aiki Budo can strengthen for empty hand.

@Fredjo 2 года назад

@@AztecUnshaven Show full contact sparring where it's used or stay silent forever as a bullshido cultist. Steven Seagal is one of the world's most famous scammer, I am amazed somebody would even mention him in a non-joking manner.

@franciscordon9230 2 года назад

Always a pleasure to listen to Christopher Hein! Thanks for sharing.

@hierontatohtori8696 2 года назад

Excellent analysis from Cristopher Hein. Great discussion. Thank's for the good work

@jukkakoivulintu3259 2 года назад

I was wondering when you guys would get together. Great!

@danbx6666 2 года назад

you put out a lot of great content but this is one of the most fascinating so far!

@basilistsakalos9643 2 года назад

Excellent guest, beautiful self-assessment by you, well done!

@Squirrelconga 2 года назад

I studied some Chinese martial arts with a Special Forces guy. His approach was very much like this gentleman's. Even Tai Chi! He would show us the form all flowery 🌺....then show us the gong (hard) combat application. Also: ...for what it's worth...and I'm no.master...but, I've dabbled in several styles, and been in a few scraps as a working musician. Haha I have felt that each styles most basic techniques. Defending against a right and countering. Breaking a hold and countering. Etc Mastering these is worth waaay more attention than flying through belts. AND from musicians standpoint: it is much like the difference between KNOWING a song and being FAMILIAR with a song.

@chadrife3758 2 года назад

Pressure testing is good, but the problem is the other person already knows u are trying to do something. On the streets there is an added shock value because the person has no idea what's coming. So they cannot think and mentally prepare for the attack that's coming. especially on a non trained person.

@eclipsewrecker 2 года назад

Would that make the techniques easier to pull off or more difficult “on the streets?”

@eclipsewrecker 2 года назад

@Fredrick Frederickson I think you are responding out of context to my question to the OP.

@lukasbalchunas1272 2 года назад

@Fredrick Frederickson Speaking of Steven Seagal, a few years ago I meet a woman on vacation in my country, Lithuania, who claimed to have dated him. She said he was often mean and had a condescending attitude towards people and the only good quality about him was his very large phallus. She said Seagal was hung like a horse.

@RadicalTrivia 2 года назад

For BJJ, I agree the principle behind the one called Kaiten Nage is SUPER useful. An additional example from bottom position: If my partner doesn't defend their wrists, I capture the wrist and push it up and towards their back, while moving towards a technical get-up - the principle is simply to capture the lever and use it to break partner's alignment. This works from basically any bottom position, and it's super frustrating if your partner doesn't defend it.

@drr398 2 года назад

I found your channel yesterday and have been binge watching. Nice story!

@MartialArtsJourney 2 года назад

Nice! Glad to hear it

@vesaliusnotdead 2 года назад

Dear Rokas: I already know Christopher Hein (through your channel!).I´m a big fan of him and I also subscribed to his page as a Patreon because his concept about Aikido makes perfect sense to me. But itˋs weird that, since you´ve been far from Aikido teaching for some time, you still want to test and inquire about this (to me) little understood martial art. The results are both fun and educational. Many thanks again for keeping on the Journey

@Fredjo 2 года назад

Rokas journey through multiple martial arts made his views on Aikido much more relevant than of someone who's been doing Aikido all his life and never tried full contact sparring to see if it even works or if it's a bullshido.

@vesaliusnotdead 2 года назад

@@Fredjo Dear Paul. Christopher (according to what he says about himself) practiced some other martial arts before coming back to Aikido. Many of us have doubts about what we do until we understand what this tool is useful for. That's why I follow both of them. Thanks for your comment

@christopher-johnbompas9729 2 года назад

There are so many good things I can say about this video and the approach being presented. Akido is awesome in the hands of a realistic thinker.

@tableprinterdoor 2 года назад

I’m loving these practically daily uploads Rokas

@MartialArtsJourney 2 года назад

Thanks! I'm planning to do my best to keep this rhythm going

@jeffreyalanday7432 Год назад

Interesting, valuable work.

@killaben85 2 года назад

The juji nage one is interesting since I literally learned a position like that in Muay Thai this week. Basically you trap one arm pull it down and elbow. Now when they move that arm to block, just as the other person described you trap that arm and get into that cross armed position which sets up another elbow. But it's interesting you can do a throw from that position as well.

@LokiCDK 2 года назад

I'm really enjoying the way your co-host views the use of the technique separate from the use of the form. A lot of the technique in the way that he describes it is very similar to what I've most recently been studying which is arnis or Filipino martial arts so elbow control comes up a ton risk control a little bit arm Crossing because arnis is weapons first. Or getting the outside and controlling neck and shoulder. It's all very functional in the concept and realm of yeah this is a martial art this is a martial art with weapons.

@Carlos310123 2 года назад

Great video, keep it up champ!

@MarioSeoane 2 года назад

The technique I'm more grateful for, is not even considered a technique but an exercise. I applied the principle of Kokyu Dosa for real against two bigger opponents in the street, once against a frontal punch where I barely moved my heat to avoid the punch and the second time when someone tackled me. In both cases, I applied the extension and turn of Kokyu dosa and I saved the day. It was completely natural and instinctive . I also applied kote gaeshi and irimi nague preventively, but in both cases, they were not trained people who just get too close and it was easy to do.

@gengotaku 2 года назад

Thanks for the cool video!!As it can be seen on the video you are mixing FUNCTIONAL AIKIDO with techniques for COMBAT SPORTS with other martial artists. Keep it up!!

@StarKnightZ 2 года назад

Also ahhhh. I want to see the next one!!

@jamesfrankiewicz5768 2 года назад

I've pulled off jujinage (at least the "jujinage" as described in this video) in unarmed grappling a small number of times. Never was it planned or set-up, the opponents hands were just momentarily in the "wrong spot" and I recognized it and capitalized on it.

@MuammadMoammad 2 года назад

Finaly you get the wisdome bihaind aikido😁 it was a nice journey Dont stop yet ..we need to learn more from you sensei🌹

@leo-wj6ei Год назад

Aikido needed more videos like this

@vonb2792 2 года назад

Ikkyo the Elbow Control ! I've used that SOO MANY times in Striking (mma,boxing,kickboxing) sparring... when i block or evade than push their elbow, the opponent always end up SIDE to ME. My opponent always surprised.. I am glad to see a functionning technique of AIkijutjitsu, Aikido in sparring :) .. the other thing i do in a reflex, if i can grab their wrist as they land a punch, i tend to hold their hand (in a wrist lock) to my chest and boxe them from there, my boxing glove preventing a technique!

@egontokessy1610 2 года назад

You've given me a few ideas to try out, thanks :).

@AeolethNionian 2 года назад

I've been waiting for the day that this would happen

@Taekwon-Brando 2 года назад

I loved this tier list!!! The only I would change is irimi-nage from A tier to S tier just because I've seen it used in BJJ off of a failed koshi guruma (hip wheel) from judo!

@davidlazarus4198 2 года назад

Nice video. I hope you are going to review Hijikime Osei which i see done in many martial arts.

@awallerfamily 2 года назад

Practiced aikido and hapkido for years before starting jujitsu. I'm a brown belt now and I've been using my aikido in my grip fighting alot lately.

@kevinschultz6091 2 года назад

1. yeah, the "elbow control" technique (extension/compression locks) are taught to law-enforcement personell as a standard submission/control technique. One of my Arnis instructors was a cop, and he used a slight modification of his policing techique (which appearently pressed on the shoulder, instead - and didn't work very well) on a large number of takedowns. It worked really well for him. And yeah, I'll second the whole "wrist vs. elbow vs. shoulder" thing - at least in heavy sparring in Arnis, the wrist is REALLY HARD to get to (also because we wear hocky gloves), and the shoulder doesn't do much due to its strength - but the elbow is a really good middle ground. 2. Inside twist - yeah, for an arnis disarm, this is one of the two super-useful techniques, the base form is one of the two disarms I can (arguably) pull off semi-regularly in heavy stick sparring. (outside twist being the slightly more common one, though.) 3. Center lock - yeah, there's an OK disarm on that one; but on a control/submission technique, my arnis instructor has used this one against drunk people he's had to "accompany" to the door. 4. double-arm lock: yeah, that one shows up in armed disarm/locks. Never personally done it in sparring, though, as it requires a lot of corto (close range) fighting.

@ratlips4363 2 года назад

My first exposure to Ikkyo was, believe it or not, it the American Red Cross Life Saving class. When a victim lunges with both hands in an attempt to get a higher position with regards to water, the technique is to use the hand in a "V" shape and attack just upward of the elbow. This gives not only control, but it allows you to move to the side and eventually behind the victim to control them. When I started studying Aikido, this was one of the first moves I recognized as something that had validity to me as I had used it in real time situations

@cesarag0723 2 года назад

Great conversation and perspectives! Funny, I have pulled off different techniques depending on if it was a "real" situation versus just sparring/rolling. But it aligns pretty closely to this, the basics like Ikkyo, kotegaeshi, kokyunage and irimnage (the stiff arm version) I was able to surprise someone with who meant to do me harm. But some more complex techniques like nikyo, kaiten, and sankyo while I was grappling with someone. But as you've alluded to, it was blended in with other skills and I was not focusing on Aikido. I was just focused on sparring/grappling fundamentals, and the Aikido technique just appeared so I took advantage of the situation. lol.

@moz5831 2 года назад

I believe all these old jutsu-techniques were meant to be done from wrestling/grappling -positions. If you go chasing for them, you are going to end up in a worse position yourself, but if you just wrestle and go for them when the opportunity arises, you might (emphasis on might) get an advantage on someone better, stronger or bigger than you. If the opportunity does not arise, or you can’t use it, you just have to wrestle/fight, but that’s same with any art or technique. Problem is that aikido (nor daito-ryu as far as I know) doesn’t really teach wrestling (unlike judo) so in itself it doesn’t really apply to self-defence nor combat sports. ’Functional aikido’ (not sure if I like the term) would be essentially just wrestling, or old judo. In my understanding all these techniques were in judo back in the day, before judo was yet to be called judo. And I guess that answers why aikido took so different approach to randori and live-sparring. When people spar, they kinda start want to compete (because it’s fun) and then you have to come up with rules and you can’t use certain techniques anymore, because they are too risky in competition and then you’re left with what judo basically already was, so what’s the point (especially if your ultimate aim is the world peace)? Then again, if aikido wants to be called martial art or have any pretext in self-defence, it should teach wrestling and have pressure testing at least to more advanced students.

@Godmil 7 месяцев назад

This was really interesting, did the second part ever come out?

@sanjitjashan 2 года назад

This is a good start. I’m an aikido guy who now does BJJ and would be grateful if you could develop some of aikido locks into useable BJJ techniques

@mikedasilva5239 2 года назад

Morihiro Saito sensei usually used his hips when doing Irimi Nage. He would lift his attacker onto his hips and then throw him! It's basically a hip throw!

@moz5831 2 года назад

I was always taught to use hips in every movement, including Iriminage (which I really don’t like for multiple reasons), and I don’t get how it could be taught in any other way, that’s like teaching Judo’s O-goshi with ”just use your arm strenght only” or something. To my mind whole central idea of Aikido body mechanics is the hip twist, which you can apply to anything (throws, punching, kicking) at least in standing positions. I don’t say aikido is usefull in fight setting (it isn’t, or it’s extremely limited), but the body mechanics are awesome, without them it’s basically just dancing. But hey, great video!

@Oldman-eu1ir 2 года назад

Check out Michael Janich. Junkyard Aikido. Silat. Functional street fighting adapted Aikido techniques

@cptnstylez Год назад

Nice vid. In some of the older forms I have seen Kaiten as a neck break.

@ummonk 2 года назад

Elbow attacks (apparently Ikkyo in Aikido) have worked for me when sparring knife defense. Grab knife hand, yank and side step, and fold the elbow to drop the opponent to the ground. Definitely hard to pull off, but not as hard as other techniques when doing knife defense.

@dtibvgz8441 2 года назад

Great video, insight from the perspective of guard and a bouncer rather then sport-oriented martial artist. Would like to point out that when he said in few places 'deescalate' he basically described 'intimidate'. Techniques that intimidate the other party and put them in their place - aside from physics are probably very useful when working in the security sector. What would be effective techniques, styles aside - hell, even martial arts aside - to freak off your opponent before a sport-fight I wonder.

@holdenmuganda97 2 года назад

I’ve heard from bouncers that aikido is good for the in between non compliance from people. Not full out fighting but when people are trying to resist and you don’t want to beat them down

@marktennenhouse6869 2 года назад

I have used Aikido against strong and skilled competitors in both Judo and Wrestling practice, not so much in Boxing. Remember, all of the Aikido techniques were part of Judo/Jiujitsu matches and it was taught along with other techniques, not as a separate art. The wrist techniques Ikkyo, Nikyo and Sankyo work reliably against rear choke, side and front headlock techniques, even against strong and correct holds. And Kokyu nage is easy and practical against strong side headlocks and when the attacker pulls away from the standing wrist locks. Unfortunately, you are thinking of Aikido as if it were mainly against frontal strikes. That is not it's original purpose. Wrist and arm techniques are MUCH harder to apply against strikes, because the attacker simply stiffens or pulls away. But, if you are grabbed (or create the situation) where the attacker grabs you in a head or body hold, Aikido techniques are simple to use and very reliable. The principle of Irimi Nage is found in the arm drag to a rear choke. It's all about moving and controlling the opponent from behind using his attempt to face you. Finally, a variation on Kaiten Nage is what Sakuraba used to break the arms of 2 of the Gracies. He applied the Judo technique named Ude Garame the bent or figure four armlock against a rear grab (which he intentionally setup). You said on this podcast "I don't see how Kaiten Nage would ever work". Well, the forward somersault is EXACTLY what your opponent is forced to do from the bent armlock. Or he can land on his face/back and get pinned like the Gracies. In summary, keep studying Judo and Wrestling and the answers will show up if you look hard enough. But, you need to experience Aikido techniques used in practical sport combat situations, not in flowing fake demonstrations put on by people who never used them against real resistance.

@ReubenYap 5 месяцев назад

What happened to the video showing the remaining nine techniques? I enjoy Chris Hein's insights a lot!

@openthekimonoco Год назад

Also at 7:56 you have zero. 1 - for your Tenkan, just contact is elbow on the outside when you enter, which enters into his centre a small amount - or a lot if you want to. 2 - do NOT grab his lower arm or wrist. Cut into his elbow. 3 - The “complete cut” happens a fraction before the step 3 - You enter/step/tenkan for the Tenkan technique. Try to tenkan from the back foot, a push from the back foot not a jiggle on the front. 4 - This step enters your hand more into his centre through his elbow before the cut. (this action, above, is almost invisible) 5 - Full Cut into/through his elbow and down, (Uke must keep contact here or you can hit mim in the face). He always keeps contact! 6 - As Uke recovers. Do the same as Irimi. 6 - use his own recovering energy against him. To get energy you musty “cut.” him down a little or a lot, whatever. The body movement/moving the hand is NOT a cut. 7 - All the way through face his centre, the cut down/break balance, becomes his centre. Turn the hips, your centre follows. I have seen that you have been chasing something good a long time. People don’t give you Aikido principles. Just Aikego principles. That doesn’t work. Go back to “the shoulders of giants”. You will see from there.

@sardalamit 2 года назад

Mind blown! Really enjoyed his take on the techniques. Maybe because he does his randori, he's discovered a lot more application for the techniques.

@MartialArtsJourney 2 года назад

For sure. Christopher seems to be light years ahead in terms of discovering the potential behind Aikido application and that's probably because of tons of pressure testing. It's really fascinating to talk to him

@jaketheasianguy3307 2 года назад

It is just me or the thumbnail made it look like you asked Icy Mike to rank Aikido techniques for you Also, where is Kotegaeshi ? It's the most polular one out there

@MartialArtsJourney 2 года назад

Haha, no... It's Christopher Hein on the left :) A functional Aikido expert. Yet! Next week I'll be releasing a video filmed together with Icy Mike where we will be ranking martial arts for self defense

@carloc352 2 года назад

I totally agree. In Krav Maga, controlling the armed arm’s elbow makes all the difference. Of course we do it with a grapple, not a lock, but still, very important. I’m eager to research what can be learned from traditional martial arts. Thank you guys for looking into this!

@kris4786 2 года назад

@Rokas - have you ever thought of speaking to or finding a Marine MCMAP instructor? Active or retired. We used a lot of Akido techniques. When we trained if it didn't hurt your training partner you where doing it wrong. MCMAP was formed by taking a bunch of different instructors and experts from different arts and working out what was useful. We could do all our techniques in full combat gear. I used numerous Akido techniques I learned in the Corps in the bars I worked in as a bouncer. They do work, but violence of action is needed, include a strikes to break their stance or attention. You want to stop them but not put them in the hospital and get sued. Akido was included for non lethal compliance because not every encounter needs a Marine to crush someones skull.

@timoteostation 2 года назад

As a shotokan practitioner and an aikido beginner, I felt that kaiten nage is a very useful throw technique, specially in order to counter a punch. In my little experiment, I've tried to start from a "soto uke" (outside block) and then apply a kaiten nage. It's officially my favorite "combo" until now, its easy and functional 😁

@kevlarchicken 10 месяцев назад

im curious one year on are you still doing shotokan and aikido? have they worked well together? i come from a shotokan background myself and was thinking about doing the same

@timoteostation 10 месяцев назад

@@kevlarchicken my aikido instructor stopped to teach aikido after some months, but the experience was very good. They aren't directly connected, but you can find some techniques in both martial arts that can be connected someway. In my example, to start a kaiten nage using a soto uke defense was a little idea that I had.

@danborggren6608 2 года назад

Some throws from Aikido that resemble some Judo throws, like seio otoshi, sukui nage (shuffle throw), tai otoshi etc might also work quite well. Even if they are not preassured tested, they (or variants) are at least in the syllabus.

@PWCTran 2 года назад

Hi Rokas, if u wanna look at Aikido applied in a self defense setting, in my experience I've seen aikido-esque techniques taught at my job. Look up Army MACH techniques, and a fair amount of them look like something out of Aikido Dojo

@alexanderb4846 Год назад

Is there a second part? I can't find the next one.

@michaelhalasy9225 2 года назад

The only time I've seen Aikido in a real fight was a kaitenage throw. Was at a party in the Navy. Some guy hanging with a girl. Her boyfriend showed up, well, things went sideways, he took a wild swing at the dude who was with his girl, and got thrown into a wall with kaitenage...hit the wall and slumped down on his head....fight was over....so, don't discount kaitenage.

@bobafatt2155 2 года назад

Saw kind of the same thing at a college party one time. My friend who practiced aikido for a little while had a guy swing on him . My friend just intercepted the punch and guided the guy into a door frame face first . The fight was over immediately and it was cool to see

@marcgranlund6156 2 года назад

I recently saw a description of aikido techniques with a tanto. And the knife changes so many techniques without changing anything

@openthekimonoco Год назад

Lower speed to .25. Use the Full stop and Asterisk for forward and back frame - by frame - investigate, find/see and correct = what makes it work not how to do it. Elbow control? 1:04 Ikkyo - Elbow = direct access to Uke's centre. Check feet and legs. You have nothing here. 1 - Keep the feet FLAT on the tatami. 2 - Enter, cut through taking the elbow, holding, not holding the wrist but Te/cutting the wrist all the way down, hips will follow, head and shoulders follow the hips. 2 - Cut “the elbow” down to the Tatami, better without holding the wrist even. The elbow equals the centre. This skims Uke across the mat. Uke can not recover from this elbow take down. 3 - centre follows the cut/Uke’s centre. 4 - both face opposite direction, feet still flat on the mat. 5 - Tenkan. Try to Tenkan from the back foot, not jiggle on the front foot/Push off with the back foot. 6 - Keep vertical stance, do not break it at the centre. 7 - Look in the direction you are going to create Ki and flow, NOT back at Uke, Tissier Style for a pose! 8 - pin down through the bodies parameters not outside for strength and stabillity. From the shoulders of Giants.

@LachlanKadick 2 года назад

I would put Iriminage as an S-tier. There are so many variations on it and so much utilitarian applications to it, that it is my most used technique. It is essentially the controlling of the head to claim kazushi and drop a person. It is also the safest for use on people that you don't want to seriously harm but do want to stop. When I need to break up fights, it is always there and can easily be applied softly in an indirect and nonaggressive fashion. If I want to simply exhaust someone attacking me, it is quite effective, as it does take a decent amount of effort for the average person to get up and down from the ground.

@chopsueykungfu 2 года назад

As a wing chun practitioner I agree with “controlling the elbow”, it is something I find useful to do, and I do employ wrist locks, something I got from my time in hapkido. Am I naughty for mixing stuff up in my WC? Maybe.

@michaelbrown655 2 года назад

I had a teacher who's juji nage during free-sparring was unstoppable. When he put that on you were helpless.

@benzekat7581 2 года назад

you're wrong on irimi nage, in its omote form it's very direct, fast and efficient esp in a direct, straight attack - the ura form is also very efficient but it requires good mastery before it is considered efficient as neutralizing technique - remember irimi is a move to the attacker's sphere hence isn't limited to the traditionally demoed version

@basedbane787 Год назад

I spent a lot of years learning traditional stuff and finding ways to make it work. Now I'm doing muey thai. I wish I would have started it way sooner

@kevionrogers2605 2 года назад

I suggest training Greco Roman Wrestling and focus on the 2 on 1 series Russian tie. Also do Tankendo or Sayoc Kali stick grappling, dumog, silat. Use a tanto for your Shomenuchi, Yokomenuchi, menutsuki, nodotsuki, dotsuki. Incorporating a knives into your training will give greater insights.

@patryan9682 2 года назад

Though I’ve only had a little training in aikido, I’ve had a lot of training in wrestling and judo (and some striking martial arts) I’ve worked as a Correction Officer and Police Officer and I have used what would be a little similar to irimi nage numerous times against people.

@salatsultan397 2 года назад

Keiten Nage is on of the throws i actually get a lot, but I use it highly modified and like a modified half or 3/4 Nelson in wrestling. If you have a underhook and do a snapdown but not strong enough so you can sprawl him, you can push his head down and us the under hook to make a figure4-grib. There is low risk involved and if you broke his Posture you can also do any thing else i beside Keite Nage I guess. The others at my JJJ school says it not right and I am doing it wrong but it just works and i also did it at my MMA gym where I discovered it in sparring. Was pretty sure I invented something because haven't seen anyone doing it live or on the internet until I saw Ramsey Dewey doing it in a Video about the clinch and calling it a Half Nelson. So there goes my Idea of inventing a totally new secret Technic ;D

@Lahng_Blackduke Год назад

On Jujinage: I get a lot of productive use out of it by baiting people from a 2on1 like ikkyo or kaitennage. With one hand on the wrist, one on the elbow and the opponents free hand either on the ground or the arm extended away from yourself, leave them slack that they begin to recover their balance just a little bit. Since they will have been resisting anyway, they will be very receptive to the idea that you're that you're doing it sloppy. That little bit of confidence will get them to attack with only weapon they think they have, ie that free-hand. It will always be a haymaker aimed at your chin that will cross their locked arm. Release the hand holding the locked elbow to guide the very obvious punch past your head and the double crank will be obvious. With a little practice you can get people to do about 80% of set up and literally give you more than enough momentum themselves. All you have to do is turn the crank. It's almost like they enthusiastically want you to.

@resolutedreamer Год назад

Hello. At 17:22 you said you would look at the remaining techniques in the next video. What is the link to the next video?

@MartialArtsJourney Год назад

Here's the link ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2IKiz7xdtbQ.html

@josedanielgalvan9237 2 года назад

Aikido techniques are just (beautiful) demonstrations of wrist locks and other mouvements mechanics. Of course as you cannot practice them in sparring, it must be difficult to learn how to apply them on a résistent opponent. But if you find yourself in a situation in which you are holding the wrist of an aggressor, maybe you will twist it in the right way, and even if he doesn't fly in a beautiful somersault, his wrist will be broken.

@lewisb85 2 года назад

A discussion like this with Paul Cale would be interesting, He's a black belt in three kinds of Aikido, Judo, BJJ, Kudo he was employed by the Aussie special forces as a CQC instructor, his system is used by the Australian Commandos and the Australian SASR. He's also professor at Sydney Machado.

@mordi2537 2 года назад

I use Elbow control in both Grappling and FMA anti knife work. It works.

@kristianOLS 2 года назад

Interesting to see irimi nage compared to a knee tap, I think of irimi nage more to a osoto gari but in an un-evolved form. Irimi nage is essentially the arm part so you could apply it to a knee tap, osoto gari or osoto otoshi. The katien nage chris was talking about was like one of the basic judo turtle turnover or the wrestling cow catcher. Juji nage is cross arm, and is seen in sode tsuri komi goshi and the sode grip osoto. It needs a jacket to do These three are functional for sure

@kodokudeusotsuki 2 года назад

The main issue I have with Aikido locks is that they seem to be easily countered. I've never met a strong Aikido practitioner so I can't really say, but each time someone tried this kind of lock on me I just had to reposition my elbow in a correct position to counter the lock. I think we need a follow-up video to try each of these techniques against an opponent trying to counter them.

@Vatras888 2 года назад

That means lock is badly applyed. Ida od aikido technique is to aplly technique in such way that resistance is immposible or even strenghtening to technique. Nothing magical about it. That is what happend when off balanced oponent is vorrable to balanced nad focused pratcitioner. It is very difficult to do but whidout this aikido technique just dont work.

@Fredjo 2 года назад

@@Vatras888 Show me videos of full contact sparring where pure Aikido works.

@Vatras888 2 года назад

@@Fredjo Aikido is not ment to work in pure form because it is not prwctical martial arts. Aikido techniques are designed to resamble principle of body mechanics. Aikido is also not siuted to bare hands combat but to armed fight when both attacker and defender have at least knifes or swords. In that armed fight often might happend that oponent grabs your arm to prevent you to use your weppond and it is ocasion to apply aikido technique based on wrist grab witch is unrealiatic in modern fights but comes from times when people fought wich weaponds. When you want use aikido in its pure form you will always loose. Aikido techniques are not ready solutions to some situations but forms that can teach you about certain possibilities that you can apply if you are capable and creative enough.

@TheAseer2020 2 года назад

Hello all great episode. My question is this, is Aikido at is root a Martial Art or a type exercise/ physical extension of Shinto? I have read that OSensei thought of Aikido as a form of Shinto Misogi. I have noticed that the religious aspects of Aikido get left out in all of these debates. It could be that Aikido is really a religious inspired supplementary martial art. From my reading OSensei was a very religious man, I think that the Shinto aspects is a key to understanding the truth of Aikido.

@moz5831 2 года назад

I recommend you check out a guy called Guillaume Erard, he has research extensively the roots of aikido in refence to both Daito Ryu and Omoto and written about them in English. My understanding is that the religious aspects of aikido were a mystery to even Ueshiba’s closest students simply because nobody understood what the hell he was talking about.

@TheAseer2020 2 года назад

@@moz5831 Thank you. I will check it out.

@Mo-ge3tl 2 года назад

Hi I don’t have a channel doing videos as of yet however I would love to do a video with you covering aikido it’s something I’ve been interested in never trained it I have trained karate tae kwon do judo jiu jitsu krav and boxing I love to train I take every class I can I would like to add aikido to the list think it’ll be fun and interesting

@pantokratorius777 Год назад

I've managed to execute Kaiten Nage technique in a challenge fight, my opponent dived to grab my legs and i didn't even notice how i got him in that hand-lock position, so all I had to do is just throw him and he did a flip in the air, like in Steven Seagal movie 😄but it happened so naturally i didn't have time to think about it at that moment. The problem is when you are trying to do your technique at any costs, but techniques are build to allow you to understand the principles. It's like when you play on a guitar, you learn the cords and note positions to be able to play your music and express yourself.

@mieralunarlunishion 2 года назад

I once used Ikkyo at a festival. Someone tried to pour their beer over my head. I turned him away form me using ikkyo and walked in his blind spot so he lost track of where I was. :p Not all that martial a situation though, but funciontal. :D No harm done either. ^^

@johnhughes9253 Год назад

I used a version of ikkyo as a cop without much trouble. It may be my size, but I’ve straight dropped and pinned many people with ikkyo. Ikkyo is s for me, but I never set it up off of punches. Always from clinches and grapples

@connerkees 8 месяцев назад

Hi! Where is the follow up video to this? I'm not seeing it anywhere. TIA.

@MarioLamRedRebel 2 года назад

Aikido is a art and a way off living. Its not mma or kickboxing but just as old school karate its a art and built youre Inner peace. Be proud to be a Aikido student and try too life it 100 % .

@RedFoxGrappler 2 года назад

The average idea was good, we can hear about it’s combat sport rank and it self defense rank, finally getting its overall rank

@LunaticReason 2 года назад

I think a lot of aikido techniques have a success to failure ratio depending on who your fighting and your own skill. I look at it form a bjj perspective in that not all bjj techniques are automatically successful and of often fail or take effort to execute. I would rate the techniques that require too many complicated mechanical movements as low tier. Looks cool if you can pull it off but in terms of functionality how often would that be?

@17grrls23 Год назад

where is second part?

@eliosanciolo2844 6 месяцев назад

It basically comes down to understanding that Aikido is primarily designed as an extension to weapon techniques. In other words the distancing ,movements/forms presume engaging an armed opponent and taking advantage of the necessary distance you would maintain from the outset. In one sense it is a weapon art , trained in an unarmed scenario. The reason for its 'ineffectiveness' in sports MA, therefore, is that armed scenarios are non existent so its optimal timing and principles cannot be easily employed in achieving 'Kuzushi' to be able to efficiently apply the appropriate control or throw. NO joint control or throw can be efficiently executed without compromising the opponents stance, timing and balance, this is why Aikido controls and throws are problematic against trained judoka and grapplers who train body to body for that specific distance. There is simply no space from that initial set up to take advantage of the initial movement dynamics. It's simply the wrong tool for that job, but it is more than adequate to deal with a scenario preceding static, close body to body contact where arms are tucked in close to the body. Trying to apply a Kotegaeshi, Nikkajo or Kokyunage this type of 'static' position where the opponent has his feet firmly planted and strong balance basically resorts to forcing techniques and a contest of physical strength. Every MA has its optimal distance. Boxing, percussive arts at the distance of the limb, Judo at a standing grapple, Jiu Jitsu and Wrestling on the ground... Aikido optimally exists in that instant between the initial attack and the completed grapple. If you understand that, then you would see that trying to make Aikido 'work' from a standing grapple or on the floor is akin to trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole. It can be done , but you need a hammer and it won't be a good fit! So stop judging the Art based on what it wasn't designed to do and investigate how its principles and techniques could be best exploited at a different stage of the 'conflict'.

@Krissada1000 2 года назад

I am so happy that my Aikido traning was not completely useless. At least some tecniques do work ☺☺

@Skateboard_ 2 года назад

I used to talk bad about Aikido all the time, but then I started actually looking into it and realized that there are a lot of skills you can get out of it for learning how to fall and body control. Now I’m planning to take Aikido classes soon myself. What convinced me was channels like this with more humble Aikido-ka’s honestly explaining the pro’s and con’s of it and showing me honestly that it’s not a complete martial art but there are many benefits to it. I think it if you look at it as a stand alone martial art, maybe not so good, but as an activity and an exercise to teach your body news skills and movements, I think that there are A LOT of benefits people can get out of it. Also seems like it makes for an excellent supplemental martial art.

@nick0424 2 года назад

Sankyo is great for opening closed guard in a BJJ context.

@MartialArtsJourney 2 года назад

I'll try it!

@Nirrael 2 года назад

Juji nage looks like counter weapon tecnique to me. You can get opponent arms in this position if he wield two-handed weapon and you grab this weapon on the other side and move it in sircle.

@jasonarmstrong5750 Год назад

I knew there had to be at least one or two aikido techniques that actually worked in a practical setting. Mind you it's no Judo but hey if it works it works.

@StarKnightZ 2 года назад

You should do his functional aikido Vs MMA (you)

@tmattmat1641 2 года назад

as an ex aikido practiotioner now a BJJ practitioner with 4 years of training, i remember that once i almost did a Nikkyo from open guard, especcifically lasso guard, my leg was bending a little bit the wrist and if i would put pressure on it, i think i maybe could have pull it off, and once i did Kaiten Nage, but my partner just roll with it 🤣

@johnhills3085 2 года назад

Top video get Shintaro to do the same with Judo

@edi9892 2 года назад

Regarding the last technique: this seems to be something that Silat guys are quite good at. It often occurs in stick or knife fighting when the weapon arm gets caught. The opponent is likely to punch across his trapped arm, or try to protect his head with it. In the latter case, it can be pulled over the other arm. Either way, you are likely to end up in a similar shape as in this Aikido move. BTW: a Silat-guy made a video called _junkyard Aikido,_ where he gives his 2 cents on the techniques he saw in Aikido and thought that he can make it work.

@user-nb8dm1gz2t Год назад

I bought junkyard aikido thinking it would be good. Worst $40 I've ever spent

@edi9892 Год назад

@@user-nb8dm1gz2t Could you tell me why it was bad? I only watched a short clip of it on YT.

@user-nb8dm1gz2t Год назад

@@edi9892 he barely showed any techniques. It's been a while since I watched. Mostly some very subtle yubi dori (finger locks) and a ude gatame..he didn't even brush on sankyo, nikyo or kote gaeshi..or any aikido throws at all

@edi9892 Год назад

@@user-nb8dm1gz2t Thanks.

@benconforzi5696 Год назад

Wow, Martial Arts Journey actually had enough courage to speak with an Aikido practitioner.

@saltyboi2435 2 года назад

you should check out jason delucia, hes a pro mma fighter in the first ufcs and pancrase. He uses some of the aikido techniques in his fights

@MartialArtsJourney 2 года назад

I'm planning to see him during my next visit to the States

@saltyboi2435 2 года назад

@@MartialArtsJourney WOAH THATS AWESOME

@eclipsewrecker 2 года назад

I think we should separate the move/technique from the tactics (setups, pre-entries, feints, and the like). Moves/techniques that work on the “pros” will definitely work on the “joes,” but it’s not true in reverse. I would argue (or agree ha) that the advanced tactics are rarely needed, and that would be “rounding the corner.”