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@TruthSayer_3.16
@TruthSayer_3.16 2 года назад
Adjusting the hammer spring as done in the video is actually used to increase/decrease the velocity of the pellet, (use a chronometer to check the velocity). A byproduct of increasing/decreasing the velocity is increasing/decreasing the hammer tension because you're adjusting the trigger to release more or less air during the shot. More air released means more trigger pressure, (Trigger Pull Weight) to release the amount of air to get the higher velocity. One thing to remember about adjusting the velocity is just like anything else... you drive the pellet too fast and the flight can become unstable and erratic, just like too little velocity can do the same thing. The goal is to find the sweet spot where the pellets you like to use fly the same with the best consistency. After all, consistency is what we want. One last thought... what is good for one pellet, may not work for the next. This is the reason we do so much tuning with the different pellets, record the information and set the rifle to the best setting depending upon which pellet we're shooting. Once the velocity is set where you want it, you can then adjust the "Trigger Weight Adjustment" screw to increase or decrease the "Trigger Pull Weight" were you like it. There are 3 Trigger adjustments under the rifle in and around the trigger guard. There are holes in the trigger guard to provide access to these adjustment screws. The first adjustment is the trigger sear, which makes the trigger "more touchy" and can lead to accidental trigger actuation if adjusted too light. The second adjustment is for the Trigger Weight, which makes the trigger harder or easier to pull, (this is what was being measured in the video) and lastly is the Trigger Travel Adjustment. The travel adjustment simply moves the position of the trigger backwards or forwards and makes the trigger "feel" like it's not travelling that far to actuate a shot. This information is in the instruction manual as to the location of each adjustment with a very brief uninformative description of how each adjustment works. I'm not trying to chop up the video... just trying to provide more information on all the trigger adjustments available on the avenger. Great Video by the way..
@ponz924
@ponz924 2 года назад
Correct. The hammer spring tension should not have anything to do with trigger tension.
@Mag005full
@Mag005full 11 месяцев назад
Damn, thank you!
@airwolf269
@airwolf269 2 года назад
The king now that's funny.
@gumbystown
@gumbystown 3 года назад
Adjusting the hammer spring has always made the trigger harder on all airguns typically and it has been talked about a lot especially in Crossman where people put adjustable Hammer Springs on them
@WillievanGraan84
@WillievanGraan84 4 месяца назад
How many turns from all the way out is the max turns to all the way in?
@le3045acp
@le3045acp 3 года назад
when you increase the hammer spring tension on a sear type trigger the trigger weight will always increase its just a fact of life unfortunantly
@carlgantz2397
@carlgantz2397 2 года назад
Appreciate the video bud.. I pretty much have kept mine very close to what came from the factory as for setting. However I have added a walnut stock, aluminum barrel band, and a upgraded barrel end cap with built-in baffles that extend down into the shourd about 5 inches , which tightens up any kind of play or movement . I'm very happy with this rifle. It's been a real nail driver
@Dr.Drone420
@Dr.Drone420 Год назад
U can a adjust the trigger itself to make it liter
@raynfir638
@raynfir638 3 года назад
I love thus trigger, idgaf what anyone says, 10 years in the army, many weapon platforms and this pcp is perfect for me.
@therrienmichael08
@therrienmichael08 3 года назад
Adjusting the hammer spring I saw in another demonstration also increased velocity.
@larryguinn8969
@larryguinn8969 2 года назад
Please go through the process of adjusting the 3 trigger screws. I would like to get the let off weight close to 1 pound.
@anthonyb1127
@anthonyb1127 3 года назад
you should have titled this beginners don't know. if the trigger is what holds the compressed spring and you increase the pressure what do you think is going to happen? and it got lighter when decreased? no way. lol it's most likely more apparent in a cheap 300 $ pcp.
@STKO2011
@STKO2011 3 года назад
Uh huh...if you actually knew what I knew
@anthonyb1127
@anthonyb1127 3 года назад
@@STKO2011 enlighten me if a expert needs instructions on the box for that,. hang up and start over. lol
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS 3 года назад
@@anthonyb1127 hmm odd the so called experts ONLY measure trigger once and not show when they increase or decrease hammer spring tension for their tunes? Any no one mentions this...except me
@anthonyb1127
@anthonyb1127 3 года назад
@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS they show how much a trigger pull is from the factory as a reference. all the motion including valve, air flow, hammer spring tension, and the harmonic tuning don't start until after the trigger is pulled. so even if the trigger does rise/fall you are still tuning the motions that happens after that, the trigger is just a mechanism to start the motion.
@fendert1384
@fendert1384 3 года назад
Once you have the HS adjusted to your liking, can you re-adjust the trigger pull to what you feel comfortable with? Thanks for the info
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS 3 года назад
Thanks! You can but my trigger was maxed out all adjustments out of the box (lowest) , and it felt great at 2lbs like mentioned...but you have to adjust HS to match valve pressure (more or less fps)
@jmrewa
@jmrewa 2 месяца назад
In the video and comments I keep seeing or hearing “tension”, that adjustment is altering the compression of that spring, not the tension, two totally different forces.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS 2 месяца назад
More Compression to a coil spring that directly rides the sear adds more tension to the trigger pull, aka tightening the trigger and increasing the weight to pull
@airenthusiast1071
@airenthusiast1071 3 года назад
The Sear holds the hammer the more load you put on the hammer the more friction it puts on the mating surface between the sear and the hammer. Polish it and see this improve significantly.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS 3 года назад
Thanks!
@rzage1
@rzage1 3 года назад
I wouldn’t think a couple of oz trigger pu;; would make that much difference unless it also altered the way the trigger reacts such as first pull or break , Thanks for the info though >
@fariasda
@fariasda 2 года назад
Es lógico que se ponga algo más pesado el gatillo, por otro lado si dejas el resorte al mínimo tu válvula no abrirá completamente con presiones de más de 1500psi.
@shawn2571
@shawn2571 Год назад
That aint so bad, better than the 8lb trigger on my crossman break barrel np
@sat20387
@sat20387 6 месяцев назад
what does that do for FPS
@PracticingLiberty
@PracticingLiberty Год назад
Excellent video.
@Dont_lose_sight
@Dont_lose_sight Год назад
Excellent presentation!! thanks. new sub . . . kept forgetting to hit SUBSCRIBE, but your videos are DataDriven, like mine, and i respect DATA DRIVEN content! You do not exercis conjecture, so thank you. Happy Grouping Therapy!
@coreymoyers
@coreymoyers 3 года назад
Increased tension equals more friction? Mind blown!
@heithwatkins
@heithwatkins 2 года назад
🤣🤣🤣
@chrisfigueroa3361
@chrisfigueroa3361 3 года назад
Awesome info I wonder if it does that for all pcp air guns 🤔
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS 3 года назад
Probably depends on how the trigger is setup , sear engagement and everything
@FarmerFpv
@FarmerFpv 2 года назад
Thats with every sear type trigger. Of course, when you increase hammer spring tension it's harder for the sear to break.
@antomarkic7190
@antomarkic7190 3 года назад
This is info for beginners, explain to us the operation of a balanced valve and electronics in Daystate AG theirs solenoid hammer ...
@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 3 года назад
Yeah. I'm a beginner. And that's okay. But read my other comment and see if any of what I said makes sense to you please Mr Wizard. Thanks.
@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 3 года назад
Balanced valve is kinda what I was getting at actually.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS 3 года назад
you can buy software tool to tune ....
@airgunner0335
@airgunner0335 3 года назад
What is the software for or what is being tuned just want to make sure that I understand Thanks again for a informative video
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS 3 года назад
For Daystate electronics...not the airgun in this video...someone is just being a pest
@glenray7464
@glenray7464 3 года назад
Here a question you might be able to answer. I have new qb cheif with adjusting allen key . What is the factory pre set on it . Mine has zero preload on it with bolt closed . But when you put the bolt arm out and move it back about 4 to 5 mm. It starts preload. Why i am asking is it seems a air hog .my gauge on my gun might be off . I use the gauge on the pump to 2000 the gun shows 1700 . Here what going on the first four or five shot are hot and hit 2 inches high at 20 yd then by 6or 7 it settles for 10 or so even shots then start to fall fast . So my shot count is about 18 for a 22 cal . It should be more right. Ca you give me some advice.
@samcuda
@samcuda 3 месяца назад
how to adjust velocity in an pcp air rifle adjust the trigger tension in or out?
@stedyone1090
@stedyone1090 3 года назад
Your results are specific to the Avenger so far. Food for thought though.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS 3 года назад
yep!
@wadedeeds1738
@wadedeeds1738 2 года назад
Chris Kyle American sniper said he liked his trigger about 2 lbs. He said he liked it to surprise him.
@mazkact
@mazkact Год назад
Well, Tom Gaylord is the Godfather of air guns but ...............................King?
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS Год назад
Yep that's what I been called...
@KINGBREAKBARREL
@KINGBREAKBARREL 3 года назад
HEY JAMES..U REALLY ARE THE AIRGUN SCIENTIST NICE JOB 😋👍 ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐..BUDDY
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS 3 года назад
Thanks man!
@kurtfirestone2761
@kurtfirestone2761 3 года назад
So all you would have to do is adjust the trigger
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS 3 года назад
my trigger is maxed out...
@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 3 года назад
Dude, it barely has a full pound of adjustment. Not even actually. I'd have thought it would be tunable from 4 or 5 lbs down to 2 or just under. That was all at the same regulator pressure setting though right? Isnt there a relationship between between reg setting, hammer spring, and where the trigger weight falls? I would think they have an effect on each other in some way. I know you mentioned turning the reg up from stock to get the velocity you wanted down range. What did you turn your reg up to and what are you getting fps? That would tell me a lot from there. I know what the trigger does now based on where you're at. But if you tune the reg back down and don't move your hammer spring will the trigger weight stay the same?
@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 3 года назад
It's overwhelming cause I don't have mine in hand yet, but I can't wait to tweak it all. I don't want just a light trigger though, I also want to get as high a shot count (and fps) as I can 850 - 1000fps hopefully. Higher the better without diminishing returns on shot count. But there's another factor lol. Accuracy and grouping. I'll have to trade off on that vs fps, vs trigger weight, vs shot count. It's gonna be fun to do. I think it will group better or worse at certain reg pressures vs others. I see what you mean now somewhat. You ONLY moved the hammer spring, but nothing on the trigger. There is more trigger adjustment. That's just how it changed under the hammer adjustment. That is interesting.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS 3 года назад
per instructions you have to add hammer spring tension to increase the valve opening (2600psi is hightest I went 15.89s ~1050fps/hammer spring all the way in) ...hammer spring tension can effect the trigger weight more or less, depending on reg pressure you go I used my trigger pull gauge with no air and its the same results because the trigger pull isnt affected by valve pressure its the hammer spring tension that changes
@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 3 года назад
@@jdewey1587 I try my friend. It usually involves a question, or 10. Lol. My avenger is supposed to be in on 2-8. It will all make much more sense when I get it in my hands and do some testing and experimentation.
@therrienmichael08
@therrienmichael08 2 года назад
I'm just not going to mess with mine out of the box.
@joshuagibson2520
@joshuagibson2520 2 года назад
@@therrienmichael08 I didn't for about the first month. I ended up lightening it up some and it made a huge difference. It feels great now. I still can't believe this trigger came on a $300 gun.
@usernamemykel
@usernamemykel 3 года назад
You're confusing ounces with tenths of an ounce.
@ravenshield7823
@ravenshield7823 2 года назад
It's about 20%
@airgunsonmymind2989
@airgunsonmymind2989 3 года назад
I can't get to move the hammer spring bolt...already twist three Allen wrenches. Any idea why?
@raynfir638
@raynfir638 3 года назад
Turn it the other way? Or degass it first?
@airgunsonmymind2989
@airgunsonmymind2989 3 года назад
@@raynfir638 will do that!! Thanks!
@JohnSmith-uw7su
@JohnSmith-uw7su 3 года назад
Welcome, your majesty 👑
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS 3 года назад
Haha thanks!
@xdmatt1320
@xdmatt1320 2 года назад
How much will the FPS change from the lowest to the Highest settings on the hammer spring
@FarmerFpv
@FarmerFpv 2 года назад
Every turn inward is a 100 fps increase.
@jeremiah6864
@jeremiah6864 2 года назад
That depends entirely on the Regulator pressure. For example: My .22 using H&N 14.66gr. @ 2400psi gives the following: HS 0=871fps; 1=932; 2=979; 3=1008; 4=1020; 5=1023. As you can see anything higher is diminishing returns. I normally set my Reg at 2000psi and my HS at 1-1/4. This setting gives me 947fps, the best of both worlds. Power and Shot count. I now can switch to Hadies @ 910fps and JSB 18.1gr @ 860fps. I get 79 good shots before i fall off the Reg and still stay in the 800-950fps range where pellets like to live for best accuracy. This gun likes to sit at 29 fpe for best accuracy and shot count even though you can push it harder to 32 fpe.
@HeshamALAhdal
@HeshamALAhdal 3 года назад
I will give amazing advice... PLEASE don't use chroma
@gumbystown
@gumbystown 3 года назад
Hey James how many Hammer Springs turns does your Umarex origin have mine only has about 4 and 1/2 turns is all the turns that i get out of it.
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS
@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS 3 года назад
you should be getting ~6 turns sometimes the hammerspring screw is rough
@lesjohnson43
@lesjohnson43 2 года назад
It's just a little short of 6 full turns but close enough to call it six turns.
@vamonosdecaceria5005
@vamonosdecaceria5005 2 года назад
@@ALLABOUTAIRGUNS mi avenger solo tiene 4 vueltas en el resorte del martillo que se debe
@vansantsam
@vansantsam 3 года назад
What bothers me the most is the creep..
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