Akademia Szermierzy - Fior di Battaglia (medieval longsword techniques) 

the fiore disarm at 2:34 is way more classy than the hollywood shit

Lots of fight stunt/choreography shops are scrambling for HEMA consultants and training atm so it will get better.

That's the exception. Usually real techniques are meant to kill an opponent quickly and easily. A final battle between sworn-enemies can be very underwhelming if it lasts for about 20 seconds max.

99%

The only reason a duel ends is because one fencer has exploited an opening to deadly effect, in a movie you could spend as much time as you needed running through actual wards and cuts because the fight is fake. If you put two comparable fencers against each other their match might only last a few seconds before one loses, but if you ask them to fight at half speed suddenly it takes forever because they have time to think.

2:34

What is the name of that technique

Damn, my italian ancestors knew how to do shit

@@punz4lyfe read the flower of battle (by Fiore dei Liberi), that technique is a combination of 4 postures

Nesus christ for real!! Best part of the video!¡

@This Dude chill dude at least he changed his idea you dont have to roast him

Basic guns are the most boring weapons, change my mind

@Jon Jones gonna be picky about word choice? Ctfo

sarpfırat toprak it’s still funny to poke fun at though lmao. Ignorance is something that should be laughed at if it isn’t harming anybody

@@KCGamingBuddies I train in both. I swung cold steel in the shadow of Liechtenauer, and launched hot lead on Starlight range, Paris island. Boring or not, both have their place.

in Italy Fiore is a well used name, actually. I love it!

People would name their kids "flower" it sounds peaceful, if only your kids weren't going around stabbing people in the face with a longsword

@@krieger8825 well... good point 😂

@@thecopper-cockmcdickinson8508 fun fact: Fiore is, in fact, not used at all in Italy

@@pietrozaccherini8837 fun fact: i am italian and in my club we study Fiore. My club is in the city of Castel San Giorgio btw

Adam Yahan that disarm though

Badass move ;P

I could watch that disarm all day.

There was a tournament fight where Arto Fama managed to pull it off in one of the final exchanges, he won

yep

"In cemeteries"

it was in the blood of elves book right ? (Ciri and Coen if i recall it correctly)

I like the double meaning :)

Where is this quote from?

Love From Anjey Sapkovsky "Witcher" cicle

They were forced to eat Robin's minstrels... and there was much rejoicing.

@@doigt6590 *waving flags* yay!

Is this monty phyton? Sounds like one

LMAO

Good one!! LOL

Discombobulate

Its 100% based off a scene from the Last Samurai.

Oh my god I didn't see that, thank you for pointing it out

Wow idk

not gonna lie had to slow it down, but entirely true!

@stirange That's how I realized that, I saw he was holding the sword by the blade so I rewind it and saw that cool detail

... this probably contributes to why we don't see such quality stuff in Hollywood. It's so fast, very few people could actually appreciate its depth.

Lmfao thank you for this mental image.

Ah man you killed me! :'D

Medieval period*

oh gosh. :D

you have your period ? :p

Baptiste Bauer not getting better. ^^ Außerdem ists "youre on your period" glaub ich.

Baptiste Bauer period is like aus/ende in german

Sure, if you want a boring fight that ends in 5 seconds. Movies are not about that.

@@dirak418 just look at Darth Maul vs. Obi Wan in rebels. Scene lasts 4 min, fight 3 secs and it is excellent.

@@dirak418 Depends what tipe o film we are talking about. As the good sir stated in one of the comments Obi wan vs Darth Maul on the animated series is one of the best light saber duels because of how much tension is packed in just 5 seconds of actual action. The old samurai movies from Akira Kurosawa(Sorry if i mispeled) does this really well, the time is taken builiding tension and the quick learning of the oponnent. Of course duels not always end in one blow,but they could and that builds extreme tension. Some movies lack that, there is not particular danger on the scene just the awesomenes of the fight. But a fight as is showed on the video and some other media can be thecnical and be awesome at the same time. There are also long fights with oponnents trying to learn their current fighting style to counter atack properly that can be done well, but in my opinion unless your character is super human (a witcher for example) or the oponnent is really less skilled than said character there should be always that lingering fear that a mistake could kill you or cause you a really bad wound.

@@dirak418 Yeah, all those boring cowboy duels, ending on a second, are SOOOOO boring and uninteresting... Tsk, tsk. Kids today.

As far as I know they do hire them. It's just that the "cinematic style" is always in the way.

Spanish word for fencing is esgrima which is barely any different than the word eskrima. Considering the history of Europe it is likely these techniques were in widespread use among all cultures there for hundreds if not thousands of years.

@@catocall7323 remember, both Spanish and Italian are Romance Languages

Any language in Europe prob has some Latin -ISH stuff in it

Greg it does not just look realistic. It is real. These moves are what the western martial arts were all about. There's a lot of amazing martial arts from the west that Hollywood just ignores.

Greg Oriental swordplay doesn't look like duels from second Star Wars trilogy either. I practise kenjutsu and in fact the moves are minimalistic and maximally efficient. Hollywood has no idea what it's doing, in any movie they make.

Dont be too harsh on them, if we had martial artists instead of professional actors in movie cast i bet we would see good swordfighting scenes a lot more.

@@steirqwe7956 there were fencing masters who helped teach and choreograph star wars fights, they re doing something

not even oriental swordplay is as theatrical as hollywood movies

That's not really a bad move since the guy just beat his teachers with ease.

Yeah, I wouldn't get close to that guy.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cob3JMmtctY.html 1:00 the archers guard

it can be done

no that shouldn't be right, just unscrew the pomm... ...

Dirt isn't as hard as you think.

It will dull the tip unnecessarily though. And it's a pain in the ass to resharpen the tip, plus you want that sword as sharp as possible if you're about to duel.

PenStyleProductions Matt Easton made a video on it, stabbing your sword into the ground is a really stupid idea...but this guy was a stupid dead man so I feel like they had him do that deliberately.

Nico Beaton little stones in ground are

You missed the point. The first exchange resulted in the man in black getting struck across the chest with the tip, which failed to cut. The fight should have been over then. Since you're primarily using the top third of the sword for cutting, dulling the edges of the tip in the dirt was dumb and it cost him his life.

Well its not, its based on a low bind with a twist of the waist

It's one of my favorite disarms, but it's close to impossible to pull off, especially if your opponent is just as skilled as you are.

@@davidpulanco2715 If you are trying to show off to someone though, it's absolutely the go-to. Just ask your mate to please cooperate beforehand lol

Doesn't need much to be effective. First priority is to remove the threat being presented to oneself, and only then do you consider hitting the other guy. He did both at the same time. The counter-thrust put the other point off-line, where it would do him no good, and drove home. Textbook.

Huh. What about Joachim Meyer or better yet Johannes Liechtenauer?

Speaking as someone who is training in Liechtenauer Longsword and not Fiore, you're not quite understanding my meaning. I would not personally compare Liechtenauer's work to Musashi, not because Liechtenauer is not more or less skilled than Musashi...like I said, Liechtenaur is the main system I'm studying.The reason why I would compare Musashi with Fiore is because the massive amounts of similarities between Book of Fives and the Flower of Battle(Which I have finished in it's entirety), their lives and their general outlook on Martial Arts. *Both Masters were aged patrons of wealthy feudal lords by the end of their lives who had been in multiple life or death unarmored duels, both emphasize pragmatism in their works (It shouldn't matter what you're holding, you should still be able to defeat your opponent) and relatively simple but effective non-complicated movements and a "touch upon all arts" mentality . The language they use in their works is very similar(In fact the introductions are extremely similar) and they present their thoughts in a frank relatively easy to understand way. They both put an emphasis on training the skills they teach to be useful in any situation.* Johannes Liechtenauer and his" Zettal" is completely different to Musashi, I would more compare Johannes Liechtenauer to Yagyu Munenori and his "Lifegiving Sword". We barely know anything about Liechtenauer's life save what's written in the Codex Dobringer(Not the actual name but I'm using the nickname for simplicity). The Zettal is written in completely in code and the only reason we really know remotely what Johannes Liechtenauer was intending was from glosses by his students and later works. Munenori's book is very similar, it's not written as a poem, but it's written in a intentionally obtuse, cryptic and metaphorical way so that almost anyone but a student of the Yagyu Shinkage Ryu would be able to understand any of it. I would say Meyer isn't really part of this conversation, at least his Longsword stuff, because while the Art of Combat is definitely more understandable at a glance than the Recital, it's made pretty clear that his Longsword section, while it does have value, is more focused on sport Longsword with the "apparent" absence of thrusts and hitting with the flat and using federschwerts...because the Longsword had relatively fallen out of prominent use by that point and was kept around primarily as a weapon in fencing schools. My comment wasn't a diss against Liechtenauer or Meyer, assuming because I compared Musashi to Fiore that I was forgetting and or implying either of those two German Masters were less than Fiore is silly.

I notice there's like this dick waving competition between Italian Longsworders and German Longsworders and it's fucking stupid. Neither is the absolute better system in every situation, both have advantages and disadvantages depending upon the type of opponent, the context and the situation and environment. I've seen people who study Fiore destroy German Longsworders and I've seen the reverse. Neither is better, they may be better than the other at certain things or in certain situations and contexts(I'm starting to turn into Matt Easton, I should go shave me head now, marry a girl named Lucy and buy a fuck ton of swords...especially sabres) than the other is, however they are both equally valid. They are both equally valid ways of killing your opponent and surviving with a sword.

I have little idea what you're talking about! I was just wondering what Japanese historical figures you personally would compare them to. That's it!

Redman A As a member of Musashi's school I'd agree. The HNIR long word techniques are simply solid fundamentals. Nothing fancy. It's basically getting off the line and countering. You see the Peasant's Strike, a crossing near the tips, a couple of half-swording techniques, moving off the line and thrusting, etc. There's a lot less blade contact overall though. The closing to Stretto is shown in the short sword techniques. I'd say the HNIR footwork is much closer to the German school, particularly Leckuchner. There's no Volta Stabile (well, maybe one depending on how loose your definitions are), but a lot of offline passes. One could argue that Leckuchner uses a variant of Sassen footwork, almost to the point of being an inquartata. Leckuchner does have a play that is essentially Sassen, but with blade contact. There's a video or two from 2010 showing HNIR featuring the previous Soke on RU-vid that is wonderful.

Absolutely. So much so that the question "Knight vs. Samurai" is pretty much a wash. Depends on the knight and samurai in question, if you ask me.

Customised*

As soon as he did that I just knew he was going to lose that fight :D

Well they're unarmored, it wouldn't matter.

SpaghettiToaster it always does.

Putting it in the ground once probably won't make a difference, but if you make a habit of abusing your sword, you should not be surprised when it decides not to work at a critical moment.

Maybe my sword is literally indestructible but mine never got dulled even after i tried this and repeated it multiple times to see if something happens.

Imagine the People 1000 Years ago, Learning These swordskills with 4-5 Years old in a dark brutal World and fighting you when they are in their 20s:D the People back then were pretty Scary

Athex D well thats how the fights looked back then lol

You would describe ANYTHING as lame before using the term "grand epicness?" I mean you're right but your 'grand epicness' kicks any credit you had over what's lame or not _in the fucking nuts._ XD

cringe reddit moment right here

Noob. Leveling Dex is the reason the man in black never got hit and had high accuracy.

The black man is faith build i guess

Thanks and cheers!

Knight > any other historical warrior

Paweł Andonis Gawralidis Dobrzański herbu Leliwa. I highly doubt a Knight > winter war Finnish soldier

You sure? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hodów goo.gl/images/UfLT6h

Yes, i'm sure: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War www.badassoftheweek.com/badass-simo1.jpg

a name gunpowder makes everything lame

I actually didn't mind that I think people make too much of sword abuse, the ground is unlikely to do much damage and the sword can always be resharpened. I found the soccer kick to be a bit more gratuitous, good way to break your foot.

The one in green is the boasting master who's challenge Fiore. It's in his character to be bold and careless.

That guy is supposed to be portrayed as cocky and careless. You can see that Fiore is depicted as taking great care of his sword.

Also the act foreshadows his own death very nicely. He risks damage to his blade in anger, and ultimately the same anger causes the same blade to kill him. Remember Fiore had taken his blade in the exchange. Nice bit of film making that.

Do you think someone before the duel to the death care about his sword?

Tbh who would pay to watch those? No disrespect, but most people nowadays are sheep wanting quantity over quality. If a movie set in historical times used this fighting style, critics will get over it, but audiences are less forgiving. That's just the way the world works.

@@acrsclspdrcls1365 Critics would be too busy counting the number of minorities to actually care about the story and choreography.

@@camper1749 Critics are such fickle-minded creatures.

Why would they do this? This was filmed poorly and was incredibly un exciting

@@ilitardo160 To you, maybe. The like to dislike ratio says otherwise.

Fior di battaglia All info here : wiktenauer.com/wiki/Fiore_de'i_Liberi May be you will become a HEMA practicer ^^

Simple and clean. Simultaneous parry and riposte in one tempo. Beautiful.

Everybody is

Baptiste Bauer In many ways I feel like Fiore is like a Italian Musashi...or Musashi is a Japanese Fiore. Both of their works are steeped in pragmatism and deadly simplicity. I haven't finished reading all of Fior di Battalia, but from what I have read there are a lot of parallels that could be drawn. The funny thing is, despite many Traditionalist Koryu attempting to flaunt their superiority over HEMA practioners using Musashi and the Book of Five Rings as an example, I don't think really get what Musashi was trying to say. If anything, if Musashi were alive today, I feel like he would praise the HEMA practioners for staying practical and using what interpretations work without being mired in tradition while scornfully critiquing many Iaido and modern traditional schools for being so stagnated and dilluted from their original purpose that they've lost their effectiveness.

Redman A As one who studies both Musō Jikiden Eishin-ryū and the Fior di Battaglia, I can definitely see the similaries between Japanese and European swordsmanship, including the similarities between both Musashi's and Fiore's lives. But I personally haven't seen anyone involved in koryu claiming superiority over HEMA practitioners. In fact, so much more often do I see HEMA practitioners disrespect the katana and the samurai. They don't seem to realize that regardless of who used what, every weapon was made for its intended purpose in its own environment. But yes, I also believe that Musashi would have had a lot of respect for Fiore. I've studied Musashi's life and his various works of writing very closely and he's also been a practical one. Long story short, we should all respect each other and recognize the context behind the arts we practice. It's silly to make everything a contest of superiority.

Twilight Samurai, as a former practisioner of both Musō Shinden-ryū *and* current of I-33, I have to tell you - if you haven't found any practisioner of Japanese swordplay being openly dismisive of European swordplay, you've been *exceedingly* lucky and I openly envy you. As for disrespecting of swords, I'm still waiting for a time when I have to explain that longswords weren't able to cut through machinegun barrels and katanas weren't blunt bars of crude iron, because generally it's exactly the oppossite. But then again, maybe I'm a rara avis.

notfeedy notlazy I'm sorry to hear that. But if anything, I think that only proves that it's inaccurate to generalize one of these two communities against the other. There will always be close-minded people wherever you go. The best solution is to exercise an open mind and set the example for others. And I wouldn't consider myself lucky nor would I envy myself. It isn't enjoyable to be within a community that constantly mocks a martial art and weapon that you feel passionately for. From what you say, we both feel the same thing from opposite sides.

The electric pow wo was a terrible choice.

I enjoyed the electric powwow song. You just may not be accustomed to native american music.

I am VERY much accustomed to native American music, loved it all my life. It just does not fit this video, timeframe or context NOR does it help tell the story.

I guess that's just personal opinion then, because I think it fits very well. Theres not much of a story for the music to tell in this video. The story is told in the beginning, the rest is just action and duelling.

I found the music very annoying and I don't see how it fits in at all. Very odd choice in my opinion.

Looks great but holy shit it makes the music terrifying

Clearly, your ancestors won their fights... Otherwise you wouldn't be here. XD