Alan Shlemon: Concerns about the Unconditional Conference - Stand to Reason Podcast

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Greg talks to Alan Shlemon, who attended the Unconditional Conference at Andy Stanley’s church, about the good and bad of what was taught there, how those who promote pro-gay theology viewed the conference, Alan’s concerns, Andy Stanley’s sermon explaining his position, etc.
0:00 A shift in the church
3:40 Alan Shlemon looks back at Matthew Vines’ conference
7:54 Alan's experience at Andy Stanley's Unconditional Conference
9:41 The purpose of the Unconditional Conference
11:51 The positives of the Unconditional Conference
13:35 A false dichotomy: The parents’ dilemma
19:55 Andy Stanley's alternative approach, what it means to "walk with Jesus"
24:00 The "clobber passages"
27:21 A third option for parents
29:41 The plenary sessions: The hidden premise behind a "quiet middle space"
39:02 Andy Stanley's position on what the Bible says and whether it's authoritative
42:20 A win for pro-gay theology?
45:07 The conflation between feelings and disagreement
47:26 Disconnecting theology from ministry
52:47 Is sin permissible when God doesn't take away our temptations?
55:11 Two different assessments
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----- MENTIONED ON THE SHOW -----
Sean McDowell’s interview of Alan Shlemon: • Andy Stanley's Uncondi...
“A Reformation the Church Doesn’t Need” Part 1: www.str.org/w/a-reformation-t...
“A Reformation the Church Doesn’t Need” Part 2: www.str.org/w/a-reformation-t...
----- RELATED RESOURCES -----
Alan Shlemon's podcast responding to Matthew Vines’s Reformation Project Conference: www.str.org/w/alan-shlemon-ma...
“Answering Matthew Vines’s 40 Questions” podcast with Greg Koukl: www.str.org/w/answering-matth...
“A Response to Matthew Vines: The Bible Doesn’t Support Same-Sex Relationships” by Amy Hall: www.str.org/w/a-response-to-m...
“Sean McDowell and Matthew Vines on the Bible and Homosexuality” video: www.str.org/w/sean-mcdowell-a...
“Should We Downplay the ‘Clobber Passages’ on Homosexuality?” by Alan Shlemon: www.str.org/w/should-we-downp...
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2 авг 2024

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@maggiemilkovich24 9 месяцев назад

This was the best reaction video to the conference that I saw, and I have viewed many of them. Thank you.

@omrsramsay 9 месяцев назад

What would an STR conference for parents of gay/trans kids look like? It’s hard to know because Schlemon is extremely equivocal when he talks about interacting with gay people: I’ve listened to two of his interviews on Andy Stanley, but I still don’t know what specific advice he would give to the parents of a gay child. Imagine him giving some (unspecified) advice at a conference to hundreds of concerned parents, all of whom have gay or trans children, just like at the Unconditional Conference. Maybe call it the Conditional Conference? Now estimate the results of that conference. What percentage of all those gay/trans kids are going to return to the bosom of the church? How about an even bigger conference to include the concerned parents of 50 to 80 percent of children who are leaving the church without even being gay?

@musicappreciate 9 месяцев назад

Perhaps it should begin with prayer between the parents. A little Bible knowledge wouldn’t hurt either

@omrsramsay 9 месяцев назад

@@musicappreciateYou can’t go wrong by telling Christians they need to pray more. And read the bible more. Do you pray and read the bible enough, you think? How’s that working out for you?

@musicappreciate 9 месяцев назад

@@omrsramsay wonderfully.

@DrewHanks2083 9 месяцев назад

This is for you Mr. Stanley “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭5‬:‭20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

@HearGodsWord 9 месяцев назад

Andy needs to go back and listen to some of his Dad's sermons.

@ronochow 9 месяцев назад

Good breakdown

@g.h_-heart-_bunny 9 месяцев назад

I am glad though that the pro-lgbq people at the conference were nice but 💯 feelings are not how we determine truth.

@ricksonora6656 9 месяцев назад

Or, put the camera where Greg is looking. Surround it with pictures that make him smile.

@amyk6403 8 месяцев назад

I think you're being generous and fair, considering your trad perspective. (I'm not really sure what my perspective is..I'm not gay, or liberal, or young) However, let me ask the questions that leave me on the fence. I'm not being a smart-ass, I really have questions: Why is homosexuality the major abomination, the hill to die on, the Christianity- excluding sin, the deal breaker? What does Jesus say about the unpardonable sin and how does that relate to this conversation? Does anyone ever "go and sin no more?" Are we even capable of that? If you are a Calvinist, how do you explain the cognitive dissonance between sanctification and total depravity? If you're a Calvinist, and you think the elect are called, how is it that these gay Christians are not called? As far as Pastoral response is concerned, the traditional trend seems to be: 1. Vehemently deny the affirmation of a homosexual "lifestyle," even though we all know it's not a lifestyle, but an existence that is real to many people. 2. Try to pray it away. 3. When that doesn't work....sucks to be you. Essentially, that is no Pastoral response.

@STRvideos 8 месяцев назад

Hi Amy. In regards to your first question, see the following: www.str.org/w/is-the-sin-of-homosexuality-singled-out- www.str.org/w/homosexuality-worst-sin-all? Regarding "go and sin no more," the obvious answer is that no one is capable of perfect righteousness at this time. That's why we need Christ, and why believers are only found righteous in Christ. It's also why the Christian life is one of sanctification. However, this is never an excuse for continual, habitual sin, especially when we pretend that our sin isn't sin at all. Regarding Calvinism and the unpardonable sin, you may wish to call in to our weekly broadcast or submit a question on our website for Greg Koukl to answer. Alan may eventually do a live Q&A on Instagram, as well, but that will likely be in the new year.

@amyk6403 8 месяцев назад

@STRvideos Thanks for your response. I will read the resource you suggested and see about calling in. I ask these question mainly because I am returning to the Church with a fresh look at various doctrines. I'm trying to educate myself and find a 'good fit' for me.

@maryleatucker5232 9 месяцев назад

Andy Stanley uses the word "traditional" to mean "typical." His approach is either at best inaccurate or at worst intentionally deceptive.

@g.h_-heart-_bunny 9 месяцев назад

It's great that more people are talking and comparing Andy Stanley to scripture. I pray that he repents. He has pretty much always been off. 🕯Speak truth in love🕯

@g.h_-heart-_bunny 9 месяцев назад

Andy Stanley loves to depict the church as always in the wrong and as embarrassing and he praises and holds unbelievers up.