I truly believe IF I were in Halyna Hutchins’ family I would be more forgiving if Alec Baldwin actually took genuine responsibility and said it was a complete and honest mistake. Hearing him say he didn’t point it at her let alone didn’t even pull the trigger infuriates me. I hope the family gets justice and they get whatever compensation they seek.
The gun is a modern replica. It was not a antique gun. Colt style single action gun. He pulled the trigger. Talk to any gun expert or firearms instructor.
Personally, I've inherited a colt with a loose hammer. It would snap back upon the pull. Fortunately, i realized this before i loaded it. Not saying that happened, but saying it could. He never said he didn't pull the hammer back. In fact, if he was practicing a draw, the hammer pull would obviously be part of the motion. I'm not going to let politics guide me on this one, if i did, i would be no different than the left.
@@Cherokee51774 It actually matters a lot. The odds that it malfunctioned drop to pretty much zero if the gun is relatively newly made. He might have had an argument if this was legitimately a really old gun.
Several months ago, I took my first gun safety class and it was a ladies only class taught by a woman who owns the business with her husband. She made it abundantly clear that you never, ever, EVER pick up a gun without checking it yourself. Even if you set it down for a couple seconds and pick it right back up, you check it. The way they handle all this on movie sets seems like it’s a recipe for disaster and I’m shocked it has happened more often if this is the way they do things.
Good on you for getting the courses started! Checking your arms to see if they are loaded is gun safety 101, along with making sure your weapon isn’t pointed at anyone or anything you aren’t prepared to destroy. That being said though, that is in the civilian world. Who knows what Hollywood movie protocol is like on set 🤷♂️ It’s a tragedy, for sure, and completely inexcusable.
Nobody does gun safety like that in Hollywood. They triple check every time and when they hand it to the actor they show them what they are giving them. That's why there hasn't been an accident in almost 30 years.
Last week I was in a pawn shop and asked to see a gun on the wall, the employee took it down, opened the chamber, looked in it, closed it, handed it to me, I opened the chamber, looked in it, closed it. It’s either something you automatically do because you have been trained to and use appropriate gun safety, or you don’t and you either shoot yourself or someone else eventually.
No, no, no. Not "on movie sets." "On THIS movie set." ALL movie sets have strict protocols when it comes to handling firearms and it includes every single person re-checking any gun they are handed. This kind of accident never happens on movie sets because they all follow these protocols. This movie did not. For that point alone, Baldwin, as a producer, is culpable. That the gun was in his hands makes him doubly culpable. Both George Clooney and Jon Schneider have expressly stated that on every movie they've ever been on that utilized firearms, they followed these protocols every single time and so did everyone else on the set.
Alec doing the roadside interview was ANYTHING but a random impromptu interview. It was just designed to look that way. Ever picture of him (including bending over, hands in his hair), every interview has been carefully scripted by his Crisis Response Team. Alec refuses to take any responsibility for this. It's everybody's fault but his. Guns kill people.. Alec Baldwin doesn't kill people. The sick part it he will skate because he hates the Orange Man.. And if you hate the Orange Man you are on the right team. You will never be held to any standard of justice.
"It's the actor's job to check the gun" yes Adam, that's literally firearm safety rule ONE. It's not like not checking your tire pressure before taking off. It's more like trying to take off for a trip with no gas and a tire with visible belts
A pilot always does a safety walk-around of an aircraft before taking off, so safety principles apply in both situations. It's not even a good analogy because weapons are designed to kill while airplanes are designed to fly.
Listening to this dribble makes me think he does have a chance with that dumb claim. Guns don't wear out because they are vintage. All guns can have problems, that is why you hire a competent amour. It falls back on Alec as boss and shooter.
Adam I usually agree with you BUT this time you don’t know your butt from a hole in the ground. That pistol is a single action revolver. The hammer HAS to be pulled back in order for it to fire. Alec Baldwin consciously pulled back that hammer. You don’t do that unless you plan to fire the gun. In order to uncock that gun you NEED to pull the trigger with your thumb on the hammer and gently let it down so as not to hit the firing pin hard and accidentally fire the weapon. It’s as simple as that.
Agreed. The only way that hammer drops *without* pulling the trigger is when the sear is broken off - which is easy to prove/disprove. Otherwise, the trigger was pulled. I hate it when celebrities, bureaucrats, and politicians speak without knowing what they're talking about. They could *at least* acknowledge they know little, if anything, about the subject.
@@peppergrand1072 Pretty sure Adam was talking about where the gun was aimed, not whether or not it could have gone off. That's what we're commenting on here.
I've been an armorer for Film and TV for over 35 years. Every production that I've both worked on and the hundreds of other sets that I've been on, there has never been a situation like this. Once the gun is fired, It is handed back to me and locked up. No actor has ever walked around with it . Also, every firearm that I use , has been machined so that a real bullet which is not a blank cannot fit in it.
1. Always treat every firearm as if it is loaded. 2. Don't point a gun at something you don't intend to destroy. 3. Be aware of what's behind your target. 4. Do not put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire (same goes for the hammer as far as I'm concerned). Alec Baldwin somehow managed to violate every single one of these fundamental rules of gun safety ON TOP of not checking if the gun was loaded. What he did is not comparable to not checking the air pressure in your tires before you drive, it's the equivalent of trying to drive with your eyes closed. It's as basic as it gets, and every bit as reckless.
Ignorance isn’t an excuse for not being responsible. If I don’t know a traffic law that doesn’t make me not responsible for the infraction. Those rules are the same that I learned in hunter’s safety course that I took when I was 14 years old. They expect 14 year olds to be able to comprehend these rules ffs….
@@bg2362 the enlightenment you seek lies in the video you lack understanding of. I suggest you listen to it again to hear the underlying message which had nothing to do with equating tire pressure to gun safety.
It wasn't loaded, the safety was on, and I didn't have my finger on the trigger. The top three excuses for people that F-up and had a negligent discharge, with heavy emphasis on "negligent".
The producers didn’t want to pay anything for gun safety. Several armorers turned them down saying they needed more resources. So they hired a woke 24 year old with no experience and a poor track record for safety. $7900 on a $7M production. That’s how much safety was worth to them.
The fact the used a REAL GUN and fired blanks- was stupid in itself - if they were going to cheap out on safety, for good fuck sakes get a prop gun. Jesus he is liable it was HIS PRODUCTION and I disagree with Adam, he held the gun it is absolutely his job to check it - THATS how fucking gun safety works. Period
At age 10 I took a gun safety course with my boy scout equivalent troop. One of the standing rules that was drilled into every one of us was that you always treat every gun as if it is loaded and could take a life. As such, you never point a gun at anyone and if you pick up a gun or are handed a gun, it is your responsibility to verify the status of that gun. On a working set, there are lots of moving parts with each person responsible for their aspect of the project, but at the end of the day the gun ends up in the actor's hand for them to use, wave about and even point at someone. I would think that, if they are willing to sacrifice the first rule of never pointing a gun at someone, then they ought to be doubling down on the later half and making sure that firearm isn't lethal in any way.
Exactly. If you're going to break the rules, you have to make sure the thing is unloaded like lives depend on it...because they do. If I had to point a revolver at someone and pull the trigger, you better believe that I'd check every chamber twice, ensure the barrel is clear, and dry fire it at the ground six times.
The problem is only one person can be in charge of anything, even a lemonade stand. Too many chefs and not enough cooks is just as dangerous. We see that here. That directors assistant had no business touching that gun. If only one crew person touched that gun we would know exactly what went wrong right now.
A live bullet got on the set because he didn’t want to spend the money to hire the appropriate people. Additionally, if the scene had called for him to point the gun at his head do you think he wouldn’t have checked the gun beforehand and would it have still magically fired?
You have to be licensed in order to handle weapons on a set, and I believe that the girl's Dad is a respected guy who is an Armorer. It looks like nepotism at work here.
@@Valkonnen but apparently movie sets have more than just one person handling weapons and Baldwin didn’t want to use union labor because they would have required it.
@@barryholiday8998 No, this is what I do for a living. You do not have a lot of people handling weapons. I literally put it into the actors hand , they fire , and I take it from them. There are no exceptions. You have to be licensed and insured. BTW, '"Rust" is a UNION production. Where are you getting your information?
@@Valkonnen they didn’t have a union prop master and the armorer asked for a cart for the weapons and was denied. The fact that they hired her shows they didn’t take safety seriously not to mention the 6 crew members who walked off the set over safety concerns. There was supposedly an “accidental” discharge previously and some sort of explosion. Not sure how you can defend the gross negligence and disregard for basic safety protocol.
Aceman! Your argument about not checking a weapon when it’s handed to you just goes to show that you’ve never owned a gun or taken a gun safety class. Do idiots own guns? Sure, but any average gun owner knows to never treat a firearm as assumed unloaded unless personally verified by themselves. It literally takes 2 to 3 seconds to check? It’s like saying, “ I can’t be bothered to use my mirrors when backing up.
Bottom line. Vintage pistol=single action. Single action pistols require the hammer to be cocked, or pulled back to be armed, you have to pull back the hammer to arm this firearm, this was Baldwin's action, no one would hand anyone a cocked pistol. If you research this you will find the truth.
Just a thought, but was the camera running during that scene? Second, I agree with the previous comments that a single action revolver must have the hammer pulled back. The next thing Alec will claim is he didn't even have the gun.
@@geob0324 So part of this protocol is to ignore basic gun safety and not check the chamber for a round? Not likely. In all FAIRNESS: you are responsible of a firearm in your possession. Period. He was holding the gun. He should have checked the chamber for a round. Period. Basic. Gun. Safety. If protocol ignore gun safety than protocol isn’t based off gun safety.
@@electricchurchmedia1187 Again, that's what the armorer is for. If EVERY actor in an action movie checked EVERY gun EVERY time, it is not practical. That's why the protocol is what is is.
As an Army Veteran, I say the last person to handle the gun is responsible. No exceptions. I always check the chamber when handed a gun and clear my gun before handing it over to someone. No exceptions.
He can rely on MSM agenda and the public's ignorance as to how these guns work to absolve himself from all responsibility. Already, the waters are murky, as I've heard it was vintage, it was new, it was single action, it was double action, it had a transfer bar, it didn't have a transfer bar, he cocked it, he was handed a cocked gun. One thing is certain though, Alec didn't adhere to the basic rules of firearm safety, and that makes him culpable to some degree.
This would vary from one manufacturer to the next. Greatly. Shit... it will vary from gun to gun from the same manufacturer. WTF is your point, anyway?
Adam, I understand many in the entertainment industry are not familiar with firearms. All they know is pull trigger and gun goes boom. It might be beneficial for you to go your local gun range and to familiarize some mechanics of firearms, however as nothing haven't been said already in the comments section, it is a single action revolver. Pulling the trigger will not fire the round; you must manually pull the hammer back to charge the firearm like a slingshot. Once you pull the trigger, it releases the hammer forward which hits the primer that ignites the gunpowder which propels the bullet forward. The only exception to this is some of the old gun slingers would carry an empty round in the chamber. If you had the hammer resting on a round and hit the hammer with extreme force, say dropping it on the ground and landing on the hammer, it is possible the hammer could move forward hitting the primer thus unintentionally firing the round. But as mentioned, you'd have to hit it with a reasonable amount of force and some modern single action has what's called a transfer bar, which adds a layer of safety to prevent such an occurrence, but again the likelihood of such is small. The fact of the matter is Baldwin pointed the firearm at someone and unless he punched the back of the hammer to go forward, the only way for the gun to go off is if the hammer was cocked backwards and then he willingly decided to pull the trigger. Oh, and a live round in the chamber doesn't help either. That's why you assume all firearms are load and you must clear it yourself even someone said they cleared it for you cause humans can make mistakes.
It's been a while for me, but aren't there four clicks as the hammer goes back on a single-action revolver and wouldn't the hammer catch at each click if you then let it go? If you never reached the first click, I guess this could happen, but I'm not entirely certain. Whatever the case, I suppose whoever has verified that as not being the case in this scenario before advising this response.
This type of gun can't be fired unless the trigger is pulled. It is physically impossible for this gun to be fired otherwise. The hammer will NOT move forward on its own...ever. The trigger releases the hammer and nothing else does. So, Baldwin DID pull the trigger whether he realizes it or not. THAT did happen.
I heard a news report immediately after it happened and It said that some of the cast members were off target shooting those unique repro guns on a break.....using real ammunition. Someone forgot to remove some live ammo after returning to the set. I tend to believe this because it explains how live ammo could get on set and more importantly it was a report immediately after it happened.....before the spin doctoring and lawyering got underway.
Baldwin F-ed up in many ways. Even if I didn’t know it from the training I’ve received, I’m sure a guy who’s been in movies for 40+ years has heard this before. No matter who checks and hands use a gun you open it and check it yourself! Standard procedure. This whole I’d never pulled the trigger BS is Miss direction. He didn’t check the gun and someone is dead because of him. No matter who else was in the chain of custody, Baldwin was the final failsafe. And he put the fail in failsafe.
Wow, this is TOUGH to watch. I stopped listening when Adam had his stroke or whatever a few months ago and I was wondering if things had gotten better. So sad what this has become. I hope his health improves. Get better Ace.
Kinda surprised to hear you downplay gun safety. This case proves why someone should treat all weapons with respect. He's been handling weapons for almost 30 years in his movies..he should have known better.
If you don't know the condition of the firearm in your hand, you have no business holding it. PERIOD. Its one of 4 golden rules that are in our control in order to ensure safety & responsibility
Gun is NOT vintage it would be worth too much as an antique Walker-Colt sold at 1.8 million at auction. This was a modern new single-action pistol, Baldwin is lying remember he is an actor.
This can be a true statement since the gun is a single action revolver. You can fire only using the hammer. You should know what you are handling. This was a SAFETY issue and the set obviously lacked the proper training.
Adam. Checking the gun is basic gun safety. No heroics are required to do it. Just good education and habits. Baldwin is a prime example of ignorance and stupidity with all of his anti-2A rhetoric and the surety of his stances despite the evidence against it.
You can ignore the people that say “I always X…” but the person that didn’t do X and as a result had a problem needs to own the consequences. Alec refuses to own the consequences, to him it is somebody else’s issue.
It never ceases to amaze me that half the country is convinced that it is a crime to bring a gun across state lines. Only the laws where you bring it are applicable. Federal law allows you to bring it from one state to another.
In this case, later in the interview, Baldwin basically says he pulled the hammer a little and dropped it. If it's an authentic or very good replica Single Action Army revolver, if you pull the hammer back *a little bit* and release it on a chamber with a live round, the primer very possibly will go off even without even touching the trigger. Legally, he would have taken an action so that _he_ is responsible for the revolver firing. If it's a more modern revolver (even many SAA replicas) it will have a transfer bar that _will not allow_ the firing pin to hit the primer unless the trigger is pulled.
The only person responsible is the one holding the gun... and yes checking a gun when your handed it IS BASIC GUN SAFTEY! With a single action revolver he would have had to ATLEAST pull the hammer back... this in negligent homicide AT THE LEAST! Alec will get off because of his political leanings... fuck this will probably help his career.
Single action revolver goes off on its on..... yea ok so the hammer pulled itself back and them magically flew forward striking the primer of a cartridge firing the bullet into the woman you were pointing it at... Why isnt this man in jail yet for manslaughter?
Why did the gun choose to fire at that key moment? The exact moment someone WOULD pull a trigger? How did the explosion happen without a strike from the hammer?
Not nearly as convincing as he was during the Sales Meeting scene from Glengarry Glen Ross..but still quite a Helluva Skit. Even turned on the waterworks...1 question "Shooter" how does a Single Action Revolver fire unless you pull the hammer back and pull the trigger?
It kind of depends what the film company’s protocols are and if they were followed. I noticed Alec said that a live bullet should not have even been on set but, wasn’t it reported the police found over 500 live rounds.
I'd be more agreeable to the idea if it weren't for the fact that Alec Baldwin is an A-list movie star who has appeared in countless movies which feature the use of firearms. He KNOWS what weapon safety looks like.
The way a vintage single action colt can misfire is if something strikes the back of the hammer when the gun is not cocked, transferring the energy through the hammer into the bullet. So, for instance of you dropped the gun and it landed on the hammer, if would likely misfire
Thanks. I hadn't considered this. Cocking and releasing the hammer means you can hold the hammer back indefinitely. But if the hammer slips from your thumb, it goes back into place HARD. This is probably even more negligent than resting finger on the trigger.
I own an 1873 SAA in .22 for everyday carry, I can assure you in order to fire it you need to go through four positions on the hammer in order to rotate the cylinder and put enough pressure on it to fire the cartridge. I've owned several pistols in semi-automatic, Walther, S+W, Ruger, and maybe it's just me but a single action revolver is a lot more safe than anything else.
No. You always check. Even if you literally just saw someone check it in front of you, you take position of it you check. This is not "hero" b.s. this is standard gun safety. Never point a gun at something you dont intend to destroy. Treat every gun as if it's loaded. Know your target and what's behind it. Never put your finger on the tigger unless you intend to pull it. If he had checked like every responsible gun owner will, and followed the 4 rules of gun safety this would not have happened.
I buy the possibility of sabotage. But the gun still had to be unchecked pointed and fired That doesn't at all make those who sabotaged it any less guilty but there is also ADDITIONAL blame for anything that happened afterwards
It’s humorous listening to the panel and reading comments from so many ignorant people. Even the people that think they know about single action army guns from that era are not informed when it comes to modern day replicas.
The gun had to be cocked in order for it to fire. There has to be something striking the primer to fire a bullet out of the barrel. Otherwise a phantom was responsible right? BS
Two comments:1. The firearm was a modern reproduction of a "vintage" firearm. 2.There is a pathway(I have a similar firearm) that AB can be technically correct in what he described(no way to tell if it was truth) that it happened. I was able to "ride the hammer"(with-out finger on trigger) to near "half-cock", resulting in just enough hammer-drop to provide just enough strike-force to detonate a primer.( That's the reason for "always carry w/hammer on an empty cylinder") My firearm does not have a "safety transfer bar", which blocks the hammer. Whether or not the firearm used in the tragedy had one, I have no way of knowing. And, the responsibility of clearing the firearm still rests w/operator.
When I was a kid a friend an I got into shooting at each other with BB guns. I got shot, in the face, lied to Dad that I put the gun down and it went off. My Dad seeing through the bs proclaimed, I could throw that off a cliff and it wouldn’t go off! Now he is partly right a cocked gun can go off if dropped but it’s highly unlikely. It just doesn’t add up.
there IS a possible explanation for how that gun could have went off without him pulling the trigger. If the primer in the round was bad it could have caused a misfire or a squib load. The fact that they were firing off live rounds could explain why it was in the chamber. If they had tried to fire the round and it was a "dud" it could have been thrown in with the dummy rounds when in reality the primer was just slow burning within the round. Is that likely? No. Is it possible? Yes.
Carolla is doing a perfect Baldwin imitation by injecting what ifs and maybes just like Baldwin does during one of his anti gun rants. Hey Adam they make brand new Colt 45's every year.
Gina's comment..."It was her first job, that's just a fact". No it's not. She was the armorer on a Nick Cage film prior to working on "Rust". She discharged a firearm close to his head and was fired as a result. It's been discussed on every other show I've listened to. If you're going to discuss "facts"... you should know them. Also... ranting about "fake news" during the "That's News with Gina Grad" segment... while making adamant statements that are "fake"... makes you look foolish. Or... change the name of the segment to "What Little I Know About It with Gina Grad".
This type of gun cannot go bang without a squeeze of the trigger period. First rule of gun safety is always check for what is in the gun (is it loaded).
There's more than one way to fire a revolver. You can "pull the trigger" with you index finger OR you can pull down and release the hammer with your thumb. Baldwin says he did not "pull the trigger". He is correct. Then he later admits that he released the hammer with his thumb. Thus, HE FIRED THE GUN!
