Same. And handing out immunity, unjustly, imo, appears to be leading to some carrying the weight of blame for not only their own negligence, but also for another's mistakes, or possibly malice.
I think this whole trial will go down as exposing massive incompetence on so many levels. Hannah was young and did drugs. Baldwin is a narcissist with a volatile temper. Zachary was completely inept. Seth was unorganized and sloppy. Many layers contributed to the death of a young mother and wife.
Management was to blame. So was the armorer, her boss, prop master, first AD, Baldwin, and virtually everyone but the coffee lady. They all had a responsibility for gun safety and none of them did their job. Even the ones who didn't know their jobs should have known they weren't competent and not taken on the responsibility.
@@daviddoxtater6749indeed. That's all you need to know. The armorer is at fault for this specific trial. Baldwin will get his day in court and he will likely get what's coming as well. It wasn't like this armorer was warning the production of safety problems with HER conduct. She said at the police station she sometimes shook the rounds. Most of the time. She shook the whole box of rounds and started using it which caused the incident. The production team was reckless but they didn't instruct her to do that.
And there you have it. An u safe work environment, concerns raised to management and they failed to respond. This girl was 24, on one of her first jobs, and didn’t have the experience to put her foot down with them. She is being scapegoated by individuals with much more experience all covering for each other.
Amazing the state of NM arguing against safety. The employee for OSHA testimony is damning of the film industry lack of safety standards. No clearing barrel, operating an armory out of a box truck, no safety officer on set, overworked armorer trying to store, repair, load ammo all at the same time. BTW in LE or military do the people issuing the firearms actually load the firearms. That is the responsibility of the person carrying the firearm. People keep claiming it is different, but it is not. The outcome is because of lack of military standards.
absolute incompetence and dire "lack of training " for their "employees"... clear cut Negligence of those in charge of the whole scene- consequently a person loses their Life!!😢😢
Not the first fatality in the entertainment industry attributed to blatant negligence. Outrage and demanding a pound of flesh in this instance while ignoring an obvious industry issue seems disingenuous.
I can't see how this is either-or - it's both. Management was wildly irresponsible for hiring such an immature and inexperienced armourer, and overburdening her with work. Gutierrez was responsible for not insisting on safe standards on set, and for personal practice that was clearly negligent.
Also as adults, as "big boys and girls," we don't take jobs that we aren't qualified for, especially jobs that concern life and death. I'm an engineer, I guess on NOTHING.
It takes seconds to visually inspect the rounds before inserting them into the cylinder. It takes seconds to re-inspect the rounds before declaring "cold" and handing to actor. She had plenty of time but failed.
You are correct on that sir. A BLIND person, could have felt and determined the difference between a blank, and a live round. And I'm not even being silly. @@encinobalboa
The problem was that Baldwin pointed the gun at someone and pulled the trigger- he claimed he never pulled the trigger. Experts have said this gun will NOT fire without a trigger pull.
I watched a lot of this guy's testimony. He blamed management for not giving Hannah enough time. However, he was not asked nor did he consider the fact that a visual inspection of the rounds in the cylinder would take literally seconds. Hannah had plenty of time to do her duties.
Not only that, but she was hired because she had all of those years under tutelage from her highly experienced father and supposedly knew how to fulfill that job of amour.
The root cause would be their standard of deficient firearms safety practices. Since there were so many deficient practices, anyone with firearms safety knowledge who didn't speak-up shares some blame. Video of Alec Baldwin on a filming scene shows him telling staff to reload his handgun and to hurry-up in an very intimidating manner.
To me; it seems like HG was not experienced enough to stand up to those uppity ups and tell them that she WILL take the time to do her job and that does NOT include rolling cigarettes.
Finally, justice for the worker, justice for Hannah. Let the adults managing the scene share in some of this responsibility instead of scapegoating a 24 yr. old, basically on her first job! This management team disgusts me in their collusion-
Yes but also Gutierrez was extremely lacking in professionalism especially for her job title. Messing up in her type of work is irresponsible to say the very least.
How about justice for Halyna because Hanna failed in her duties and was responsible for her death? Hannah needs prison time and to never work in the industry again.
There is a reason its called a low budget movie. I agree the entire team on rust is responsable for what happened. The armourer holds 100% of the blame for what happened. But 100% of the blame is shared by all senior personnell. Drugs, age, attitude, entitlement and responsability or lack there of all contributed to the low budget soup which used some of the worst ingredients which resulted in this absolute tragedy. Even the victims held 100% responsability for ehat happened to them by not speaking out.
Who would hire him with his past? He makes his own films as a result. It is going to be almost impossible to insure a film with him on it. @@nancypicchi9224
It was only 10 days, and I think that’s probably the biggest problem. It was such a short time. That by the time they started noticing her negligence within a day or two, from there, the death happened, I don’t think this woman, even if the filming would’ve continued, if the person wouldn’t have died, would be still employed, because she seems lazy, every description of her seems like she always took the easy lazy step out
OSHA only cites and fines the employer and or management company employees don’t get cited even though they are the ones responsible for safety violations because employers/management are responsible for making sure employees are following the safety rules and protocol, but it doesn’t mean the employee has no liability criminality and sometimes civil
Shouldn’t be the outcome of this tragic incident that henceforth armorer’s must come at least in two. One at the gun storage base and one on set with the actors. Hannah was only half an armorer with being alone and prop assistant as well. She could not possibly have her eyes on three separate points of focus at once.
What role did drugs/alcohol play in this accident? We’re toxicology tests done on all those who handled/had access to ammo/firearms that day?! If not, LE dropped the ball.
Hannah was not both armorer and props assistant simultaneously. The Unit Line Manager already testified that Hannah was only paid as armorer on "blanks days." At all other times, the Props Master was the armorer.
She didn't. She never served as both the armorer and the prop-assistant both at the same time. She was doing one, or the other, not both at the same time.
@@nevisstkitts8264 i still don’t by into this sort of mix up of responsibilities. You can’t be director on one day and cinematographer the other without risking to get overwhelmed by both jobs. Albeit only being 23 years old. E.g. neither experience nor stamina.
So, this is all based on interviews? this is like Hannah indirectly testifying on her behalf. It's obvious management is responsible to some degree for negligence but it's her job to check the firearm that's seconds.....to check a firearm. Everyone failed. Her failure directly led to the death of one person and injury to another.
This is correct. Management on low budget films definitely cut corners by hiring young unqualified people. Armourer is one you don't go cheap on. This happened 16 days into filming she had time to go through every ammo box. I know prop people who make this their priority even off the clock. Producers are guilty of being cheap, but she is guilty of allowing a weapon and live rounds on set... Not checking and double checking... Period.
Who cares about what OSHA thinks. They are not criminal investigators or firearms experts. They only care about assigning blame to the production to levy a fine and collect on it, it doesn't change the fact that Hanna as the lead armorer failed to properly check the weapon. Her complaining to anyone who would listen that she was overworked and spread too thin and didn't have time to do her job is just excuse-making there's plenty of evidence that has been brought up in this very trial that shows she had time to go through and check ammo. Checking a firearm before handing it off to an actor takes less than a minute, if this would have been done no one would have died or been injured and then there would be an investigation into how live ammunition got onto the set and this will be an entirely different trial
@@turnthepage867 she "checked" the gun prior to handing it off to Dave, who also didn't check it it's her jobs first to check the weapons....all weapons being used on set. She is the first like if defense, Dave is the second. Dave already pled no contest. He admitted his mistake and Hannah is blaming everyone else and taking 0 accountability.
I honestly thought hannah was responsible at the beginning of this trial. Now i realize that it’s HOLLYWOOD VS HANNAH GUTIERREZ, and not NEW MEXICO vs HANNAH GUTIERREZ. They all turned and blamed the weakest link.
I agree. They’re dumping on her and we all know she would have been fired if she so much as questioned Mr Baldwin. And instead of taking ownership of the soup-sandwich of a company, they’re dumping on the easiest victim to blame it on.
Yes, when management hired a 24 yr old with limited experience as the lead armorer in a western with several gun fights, are totally responsible. No one should be in charge of the safety in such a situation when lacking experience. They didn’t vet the crew for their qualifications, they hired them for how little they could pay them. Employer’s often adopt these safety policies, but as he said, they don’t enforce them. It’s get the job done now, not do it properly. Glad at least to hear this happened.
@@wanaraz At 24 nobody is highly experienced, her practical work experience was severely lacking, which if there was could easily have prevented this tragedy. I agree with OSHA that there was collectively an upper management disregard for safety. Hannah has blame in this, but when your superiors put someone without the proper credentials in her position, then witness her neglect in her responsibilities, and say nothing, they too are guilty of negligence.
OSHA always finds fault with the employer/business. Their job is worker safety. How does a professional armorer need training as an independent contractor? It doesn’t even make sense they would train her. Hannah had zero command presence and should have told the bosses via email (to leave a paper trail) any issues she found. In the need for safety, I request this or this needs to be addressed.
I love this witness! Management is at the root of the lack of safety, but Hannah, Dave and Baldwin just as guilty for the death.The whole production was a hot mess in so many ways.
$500.00 Fine and NO "Jail Time" for Pleading NO contest and HE was the One, who handed the Gun to Alec B and Said,. "Cold Gun",. WITHOUT thoroughly,.. "checking", IT ! His designation was,.. Asst Director AND Safety Engineer !
@@wanaraz ,.. He was, IN the Church,.. Hannah G was, OUTSIDE, waiting with the "Ammo Cart" ! There ARE, Photo's of,.. THIS ! She handed the Gun to David Hall's and he said that, he saw 3 Cartridges with DENTED Primers, in the Gun ( Assumed everything was Fine ) then Handed it, to Alec B, yelling,.. "Cold Gun" ! There is MORE here than,.. "Meets the Eye" ( Lack of Safety Measures, Drugs, alcohol and,.. Stupidity ! ) He should NOT have been given "immunity" without, SERIOUS,.. further investigation,. IMO ! And NOW,. ALL the Evidence has been,.. thrown away ! WHAT,.. a "Mess" !!!
The question is who is going to prison, one person,two,more? From Alec "I didn't pull the trigger" Baldwin through to the armourer, propmaster there's lots of culpability!
The responsibilities fall upon management in all businesses! Shame on this production company.This should definitely be a not guilty verdict for Hannah Gutierrez-Reed.OSHA is a reputable organization & is never wrong. In the medical field they are very strict & do not rely on law enforcement.
I really do love OSHA guys. Despite whether or not the armorer is guilty, it's still nice to see a state agency with clear intent to protect employees from mismanagement and exploitation (most of the time).
This is going to have a profound impact on how, or if, fire arms are used in film and TV. The odds are high that actors will not do a film if they have to use a replica gun, or real gun. I predict more work for post production to insert fire arms into film via CGI. This already happens to a degree, but the days of using actual guns is about over with. Regardless of how this case ends.
Do your really think they learned anything. It's put all the blame on one person instead of the lack of standards. Look people like AB think they are better than us, their ego will not allow them to use fake guns.
I have been in an industrial field that deals with OSHA often for nearly 20 years. I have never, ever seen OSHA assign blame to a specific employee as they are typically concerned more with systemic failures regarding the safety process itself.
Hannah and Alec both responsible actually the whole crew there , actors waving around guns too . They learnt nothing from Brandon lees death did they people .
I have some family experience with guns. I took a coarse with NRA instructor and I wouldn't have worked on that set the first time I witnessed guns being pointed or unattended.
This has been my argument from the get-go. As a business owner and leader, if someone gets hurt on my job, it’s my fault! Funny that you guys all want to place the blame on this 23-year-old girl who didn’t have proper training. She should’ve never been hired for the position. unfortunately, the media has a way of influencing people into thinking how they want them to think. I will say it for the third time, I would not convict Hannah.
@@focusintegrity8490 hopefully, this is the witness that drives it home for the defense. If she walks, I hope that she has a louder voice if she’s ever placed an unsafe positions again.
Say what you will about this young woman on trail, i feel like she’s taking the lions share of the blame for someone else’s mistakes. I hope more people are put on trail because this is tragic and the right people (who have been and will continue to work in this industry) need to learn their lessons.
Someone else's mistakes? She was the armorer, it was her SOLE responsibility to ensure proper firearm handling and safety. She very clearly failed. The idea that she was rushed, improperly trained, etc. are all weak excuses. Sure the production was probably a clown show but it doesn't change the fact that she single handedly failed in her duties. She failed basic firearm safety and failed to properly safety check the firearms when handing them off. Someone died because of her incompetence pure and simple.
@@Valhalla1759 well, neither of us really know what happened on that set. We’re going off of witness testimony and what the lawyers have been saying. If you believe she’s fully responsible after all you’ve heard then why are other people even being charged? Why would our justice system do that? Why is Alec being charged? Does that seem unfair to you? I think a few things contributed to this accident. A few people were not doing their job correctly and somehow this just flew under the radar until it got to a gun set and someone died. That’s how i see it.
I've said this from day one. Alec Baldwin the actor is not at fault for what happened. But Alec Baldwin the producer is 100% responsible. The quality of much of the production team and the safety measures put in place in this production were a disgrace. I don't blame Baldwin the actor because any actor needs to trust that a gun handed to them by the AD is safe. I don't blame him for pulling the trigger because if a gun is considered safe that should not be a problem. I mean, what if the scene specifically calls for the actor to pull the trigger? But Baldwin and any other producers need to face justice too.
Exactly! People are quick to jump to the distractions! Not me! HG and David should both pay for this! Total idiocy and David had been around long time! I guess the binary’s trust each other fully! 🤦♀️
Were toxicology screens done on all those who handle guns/ammo on set? Was Hannah alcohol or drug impaired that day? Was Alec Baldwin? We must know this! A Toxicology Screen is requisite to investigate culpability!
This guy is the first person testifying who actually knows what his job is. The number of "I don't recall" answers in this case is astonishing. Almost as if they are lying.
Always low man, or woman on the totem pole who ends up having to pay in the end. Hannah is part of the problem too, but to say Management is not wholly responsible for the accident in this incident is incredible. Not one person should have received immunity, and the only reason we are seeing this is because the higher ups received good deals from the prosecution and they took them. Where "the buck stops", is where the blame lays. We should not look at Hannah any differently because she took this to trial to fight for her rights in this. Especially when every higher up was laying all the blame at her feet. I haven't heard one of the higher ups verbally accept responsibility for anything yet. Has anyone?
The only person "responsible" for anything is the person that supplied the live ammo on to the movie set. Everyone else is innocent because they all had a "reasonable expectation" that everything else available to them that went into the guns was either an inert prop or blanks. In theory if there is no live ammo anywhere, there would be no reason to even bother with any gun safety measures. With that expectation present on the set it is easy to understand how the usual guards would be down. If the two girls managing the guns on site were guilty of something they were guilty of trusting the supplier of the equipment. This trial is a one more good example of how anytime an accident occurs prosecutors think their job is to find some possible excuse however remote to put someone in jail. For them there are no accidents no human error, no honest mistakes, or no unfortunate confluence of circumstances. There is only fault and it's always criminal.
Wow.... now that was "All Telling".... If I was a juror, I would be hard pressed to place blame solely on the armorer. A professional armorer, doing their job, not complaining about lack of time or procedures....yea maybe, but a part-time employee, inexperienced, inadequately trained and complaining to management they didn't have time...Not So Much. Everyone is trying to play the "Blame Game scape-goat" on the "Part-Time" armorer ....
After listening to the OSHA investigation of the accident. I’ve changed my opinion a little in this case. Hannah was too immature and inexperienced to be in the role that required a very strict adherence to safety protocols. After this trial if she gets acquitted she now would make a much better armorer. I doubt anyone would give her another chance but that’s the messed up world we live in. No forgiveness only condemnation.
They actually haven't proven she loaded the load pistol that day........... The AD testified HE handed the gun to Alec Baldwin. Sarah testified she "couldn't remember" if she loaded any guns on the set......... I actually think Sarah loaded not only Alec's gun but also the other two actors guns(which ammo she later threw away) and then the AD handed the gun off because Hannah was still back at lunch doing coke.
One actor was brandishing a rifle around while he and everyone else stood around, killing time and even when he was monkeying around w/the minor child and not one of those adults had the brains to tell him to "STOP BRANDISHING THE RIFLE AROUND" (because their armorer was MIA) so the entire bunch of them were irresponsible buffoons (not to mention at least two misfires during filming and Sarah tampering w/evidence). Wow!
If your brakes fail after a brake job YOU are responsible for any deaths. Life in prison for you! Even if your mechanic forgot to tighten the bleed valve.
I was a member of the IA union and my local would have a steward (manager) on site who would look out for his members regarding all issues, there is no mention of who the IA union steward was on site, it states that the armorer is a member of the IA union. It is common practice with my experience that a family member of a card holder would be given the better positions....
Unless the script called for Baldwin to point a gun at the lady who was killed then he was guilty of gross negligence and acted irresponsibly. In my mind that would make him more responsible than anyone else on the set. If he was supposed to point the gun at her then all of the responsibility would fall on the person in charge of weapon safety.
Definitely don't agree with this finding. Hannah clearly oversold herself when she applied for the position, hence she was hired in good faith. I also agree that management were to blame as well, but that doesn't mean Hannah is excluded in this crime where she had the responsibility to comply with safety rules & regulations. She is just as guilty as the management team and as such should be punished accordingly.
Hannah didn’t apply for the position. She was recommended by Seth Kenny. I also don’t understand why she wasn’t the only one loading and unloading the firearms. Sarah Zachary should never have had her hands on those weapons.
So, Gutierrez informed management of her safety concerns and management didn't allow her time to work on those issues. Note that she was an employee and not an independent contractor. If she had been independent, she would have been more in control of her situation.
This woman is a scapegoat for the production company and the filthy rotten trashball ammo supplier. Where the heck was OSHA during all the forced masking!? They never went public about the hazards of masking in the workplace, which they had so clearly had safety standards for, for decades.
Am I wrong in saying that this is kind of big for Hannah? OSHA is an independent agency that has no obvious skin in the game…them putting the blame elsewhere seems to me to be a major point in her favor.
I agree, but most times juries emotions get in the way of facts. You see it here in these comments of the haters of Hannah based solely on how she looked at the time. She had no control of the manufacture of the ammo, she had no control over Alec Baldwin. The ND could not have happened without the suspect ammo, and AB. Those are facts.
OSHA didn’t even have the Sheriff’s report when they made their determination and they had incorrect information on how many Armorer days HRG worked. They took her at her word. Big error. Irrelevant anyway. OSHA always finds for management. This is just a Hail Mary from the defense.
Hannah was high as a kite from all the drugs she was taking along with being completely incompetent at her job, she along with baldwin must do hard time
I worked on a show for Left Field Productions. It was called Guntucky. In the three years of production every person on screen had a firearm loaded with live ammo. Every round fired was live. We shot everything from .22 pistols to all types of machine guns. Tanks were on set with live cannons with live rounds. We shot a lot of dynamite and a lot of old cars and the like were blown up. We used flame throwers. Civil war cannons! You name it we did it. No one ever got so much as a scratch or a brass burn. We never lost a round off site. No property damage. Why? Everyone got a full day of training on the gun they were to use. The day before going on set. Evey, one going on set was reviewed by the range officer and trainers be being cleared to be on set. We sent some home. I am very proud of my record as a range officer. And a trainer on the show. Now who is at Falt here? It is clear that the armorer aloud live ammo to get on set. A real gun was loaded with live ammo. The gun was handed to an actor. The actor fired the gun. People were wounded and killed. So, who is at falt. For 100 years of movie making, they been putting guns on actors like it is a costume with no real training. We need to change that, it needs to be the actor's reusability to check the ammo being used. And to load his or her gun. And be trained to do it. So? Who's to blame in the end? SAG. The only union in the world that does not enforce safety training for its members and workers.
RUST mngmnt did not consider safety and wanted to make the movie as quickly and cheaply as possible because of financial concerns. Result: one dead director and the movie continues to be made. Cold blooded movie makers.
6:21 Here we GO! This is what I was waiting for. Where are the procedures and job description of the armor. And where is the signed job description that shows she knew her role & responsibilities.
If OSHA shows up on your job. You should shut your job site down. Send everyone home and give Osha access to any money your company has because they are goung to take it from u.
When the jurors come to their final decision their deliberation will revolve around whether or not Hanna is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Given the numerous opportunities to have checked the weapon in question and the lack of organization on set, I believe there is enough reasonable doubt to question Hanna's guilt.
A scary large number of these witnesses required immunity Deals to even testify . Sounds more like everyone on this set was complacent and has a role in systemic short falls that allowed this to even be possible .
@@aliendroneservices6621I don't think so, she suffered major blood loss, as well as a broken spine. While trauma medicine is amazing there are just things outside of their magic.
The defence lied in opening statements this was not the highest fine ever in New Mexico His organisation is only interested in management failures - Hannah took job as a qualified armourer she failed to do her job and no one made her load up gun wrongly - if she needed more training she should have resigned if not up to it
Negligence in general occurs when a normally safe activity became dangerous due to lack of ordinary care. In this case, the activity of shooting a firearm is normally dangerous or lethal. So Alec was required to make a dangerous activity safe. That means every reasonable effort.
Oooo. Did you see the osha guy side eye HG when the prosecutor corrected her tesitmoney that she worked 8 days and it was instead 10? Hes like girl you lied to me.
