Alex Hirsch's Regrets with .GIFfany

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Alex and the crew tried to make .GIFfany unlikable...but they underestimated the power that a cute anime girl has on millions of fans.
I can't believe I just typed that out but yeah...literally this clip in a nutshell.
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@ThatGFFAN Год назад

.GIFfany died so that Stan could marry Goldie!

@miles0_ Год назад

I AM A STAN AND GOLDIE SUPPORTER

@boobysr Год назад

I'm fine with that

@miecaf Год назад

What's their ship name? Staldie? Standie? Goldan? Either way, it's beautiful

@raincandy1653 Год назад

Stan x Goldie is my new OTP

@kinderpad4886 Год назад

@@miecaf stoldie

@erikm8373 Год назад

It's a real shame Giffany's nice ending was competing for screentime against Stan & Goldie's trip to vegas, which is honestly one of the funniest scenes of the show

@randomstuff_723 Год назад

Two kings Cash money (Cash money) In the car with honeys Drivin' way too fast, I got water in my glass (Cash money) Grabbin' planes You can't stop the party (Cash money) We're old but we're awesome We're gonna get married (Crazy) It's a great idea, Who are you to judge? This was a mistake WHAT

@brennantmi5063 Год назад

Goldie deserved a happy ending more than Giffany and I'm tired of pretending he didn't.

@TarotVylan Год назад

@@brennantmi5063 Goldie is a saint

@TheFPSKingsGaming Год назад

Took me years to realize this was a refrence to hangover and fear and loathing

@joshuapereira833 Год назад

In the journal 3 book we figure out that she did get trapped in the game with rumble

@MegaChickenfish Год назад

"We treated them kind of like Rumble McSkirmish" I read the journals, apparently their dating is going well all things considered.

@frozenfiredarknight3764 Год назад

really? well at least they're not alone while self-aware

@SquibToast Год назад

Soos is dating mcskirmish now?

@pnglitch1591 Год назад

@@SquibToast no, gifanny is dating rumble 🤦‍♂️

@themaddoctor1741 Год назад

Despite smiting him?

@pnglitch1591 Год назад

@@themaddoctor1741 its a videogame character they can't actually die

@MatsuyoRific Год назад

The fact that he basically confirms that she's a Yandere, but can't actually say "Yandere"

@WimpyKelv12 9 месяцев назад

Why wouldn’t he be allowed to say “Yandere”?

@MatsuyoRific 9 месяцев назад

@@WimpyKelv12 Because Yandere is a term for a character, usually female, who is a violent stalker willing to kill for the sake of love. It's a trope reserved for mature media, far more mature than Disney execs would allow, due to their violent nature.

@The_Ir0n_M0nk 6 месяцев назад

cause he's not a weeb @@WimpyKelv12

@EXPSanity 6 месяцев назад

@@WimpyKelv12 Hard to pronounce

@DeadKorvo 6 месяцев назад

I love how the answers got simpler and simpler, so I'm just going to put mine here lol

@Renkencen Год назад

Ok while I can get what Alex is coming from but I liked Giffany being somewhat a metaphor of a toxic relationship and those usually don't end in redemption! Beside they did used that ending (got zapped into a game and became McRumble girlfriend) in the journal!

@fynnthefox9078 Год назад

Yeah, I'm happy with what we got.

@puflem Год назад

I thought the ending was extremely satisfying, so I'm not complaining

@misfits9294 Год назад

Took the words right out of my mouth.

@Joseph_Drew_III Год назад

Giffany wasn’t meant to be toxic though, just overbearing and scared of losing Soos. I agree that bad relationships can go both ways, but that wasn’t the impression I had. Giffany is bad for Soos, not bad in general.

@Joseph_Drew_III Год назад

@R. P. Well let’s see: She defended herself from literally being erased from existence (and was NOT cheerful during that explanation, what are you on and can I have some), she doesn’t insult Soos, she says that other people probably will, and the rest all falls under that fear I mentioned. If you’re gonna call an A.I. yandere toxic, focus your attention on Monika.

@oceanbreeze3172 Год назад

As a kid, the attitude I was used to from media was "Don't worry, kids will like it, don't look back." But the fact that this series is good as it is and the writers have the attitude of "We could've made it better" warms me

@eater_of_garbage_ Год назад

Thats sort of a universal thing for artists to think about their work

@Amsel_616 Год назад

@@eater_of_garbage_ there's a reason why the quote "An artist never ends, only abandons" exists.

@PeptoAbismol Год назад

@@eater_of_garbage_ a good artist is never proud of their work, they only seek to improve it

@exotixzamateurva8957 Год назад

@@PeptoAbismol eh, a good artist should be proud of their work, notice improvements, and ultimately come to the eventual conclusion of appreciating their own artistic worth, and all the self-perceived, "flaws" that may come with it.

@fantasticbirdblue 6 месяцев назад

just because we should doesn't mean we are@@exotixzamateurva8957

@twotothehalf3725 Год назад

The parallels between this episode and DDLC has been brought up often, but one thing I didn't expect is how Alex's reaction to fan reception to .GIFfany is exactly the same as Dan Salvato's reaction to fan reception to Monika. Dan did not expect Monika to be such a fan favourite -- indeed, he put a lot of effort into detailing the characters of the other girls a lot more than Monika, and didn't forsee a lot of people also caring for, as he put it, "a total sociopath". It seems for both .GIFfany and Monika, where their creators had left blanks in their stories the fans took it upon themselves to fill it with theirs, and that personal touch is what makes them so endearing and tragic to a lot of them.

@ma.2089 Год назад

It’s cuz he spent way too long making Monika sympathetic with her backstory and her trauma and desperation. It’s the equivalent of hating a person in a life or death scenario where they choose to kill someone so that they could live. If he, as a real person, could dislike a virtual fictional character, why is her killing other virtual fictional characters bad? He also put so much stuff in act 2’s Monika talk segment where she says a ton of insightful and interesting things.

@DJB0X3R Год назад

Also Portal with GLaDOS.

@dethhollow Год назад

Oh yeah, it's kind-of like Monika herself says, right? "If nothing else, at least I'm all right in the head". Your other two options are horrible on purpose. And sure, that's because of plot reasons, but people don't really remember that as well as they remember the super emotionally charged crazy moments they have with the characters themselves.

@rosykindbunny1313 Год назад

@@DJB0X3R Valve filled a tiny bit of the gaps with Portal 2, though. We have the whole thing with Caroline and Cave Johnson.

@Potato-Potahtoh Год назад

Just .GIFfany

@boobysr Год назад

I like the ending where she died i don't think every two bit villain needs a redemption arc

@CBMOA Год назад

It’s true, let’s just hope Gif herself can learn from her mistakes to be better

@KalebTheDuck Год назад

16 bit villain. 16 bit.

@boobysr Год назад

@@KalebTheDuck haha you're so funny did you get a degree in funny

@AlexDown1 Год назад

@@KalebTheDuck Sorry to correct you, but I was able to Identify 16 colors in the sprite, making it 16 bit, clever pun.

@KalebTheDuck Год назад

@@AlexDown1 I was wondering if it was 8 bit or 16 bit, thanks for helping me lol

@DenderFriend Год назад

Given how popular Monika from Doki Doki Literature Club became, it's no wonder .GIFfany was loved by so many.

@chrisroberts2223 Год назад

This episode came first though, which makes the parallels satisfyingly coincidental

@hobomike6935 5 месяцев назад

Giffany walked on so Monika could *GENTLY OPEN THE DOOR.*

@hostomelhorsehoarder 5 месяцев назад

@@hobomike6935 RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII BAAARRRROWWW EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW DOO DOO DOO, DODODO DODODO DODODO DO DO DO DO DOO

@FrijolesLIVE 4 месяца назад

"Sayo-"

@skyhideaway Год назад

yeah, this is one thing i disagree with. apart from being an anime trope, giffany was also a representation of toxic and abusive partners. she was obsessive over soos and constantly degraded him. the "no one else will love you like i do" is a manipulation tactic that a lot of people irl actually uses, and it's very damaging. i think "killing" her was a fitting end. she didn't have much redeeming qualities, especially for a one-episode character. i liked her as a character and a redemption would have ruined that character. it was also a change to see a relationship where the guy is being abused, because it's usually shown as a joke. and even though some part of this episode was a joke, soos's feelings are taken seriously here and the part where he actually goes against her is pretty inspiring. i think the original episode had a very good message in breaking away from a toxic relationship and finding people who actually love you.

@lydiawalton4822 Год назад

Agreed, although I see what Alex is getting at, I liked what they did.

@steamyvegetables1445 Год назад

This can also be a commentary on the yandere or tsudere gf in anime as well and how people romanticize this character archetype thinking it's "cute" or "romantic".

@skyhideaway Год назад

@@steamyvegetables1445 yeah exactly. It's a toxic trope that needed to be subverted, and giving giffany a redemption would have taken away that meaning.

@albertinstan5090 Год назад

@@steamyvegetables1445 ok i get yandere but tsundere? tsundere are more annoyng than toxic honestly

@rainy-matcha Год назад

My thoughts exactly :)

@arandomstartreknerd7261 Год назад

I'm just impressed that Alex somehow predicted both FNAF and Doki Doki Literature Club...

@Eldoofus Год назад

He... predicted? Weren't those things popular at the time?

@thelocalwerewolf Год назад

@@Eldoofus Season two of Gravity Falls aired in the fall of 2014. Production of said season took a years worth of work. FNAF came out in Aug, 2014, while DDLC came out in Sept, 2017.

@Eldoofus Год назад

@@thelocalwerewolf Oh my god. I'm old.

@Laiser Год назад

Not really impressive when you consider those things DDLC was a culmination of tropes from decades ago. Fnaf on the other hand, yeah

@starfrog1696 Год назад

FNAF just reads like someone got childhood trauma at Chuck E Cheese and had to figure out a way to profit off of it.

@erickamakeeaina1649 Год назад

It did kind of bug me when I was younger how Giffany was a sapient entity, and thus made her desire to not be ignored or put away a bit more understandable. Even if it didn't justify the lengths she went to do it.

@ajbXYZcool Год назад

Exactly. It's because of her attitude towards it. Let's say she was less villainous, but still ended up needing to "delete" the programmer(s) that were trying to delete her. Then, during her explanation, instead of saying "that's not important!", she'd probably be sad, and then say something like "you would probably never want someone who's done what I had to do, but hey, this way you won't need to worry about talking to real girls ever again!", and stuff like that. Possibly make her act out in sadness instead of anger in the climax, maybe saying something like "you're going to delete me too, aren't you", and thus make her actions seem more like preemptive self-defense. But that's not what we got. She didn't feel that the loss of the programmers was "important", and didn't trust Soos and his judgment enough to be able to get over that to continue their relationship. She was more upset that Soos found someone else and wanted to control him, which are less sympathetic motivations and actions.

@christopherrivas1512 Год назад

@@ajbXYZcool I think the anger is a bit of a cover the store said people kept returning her so she probably never tried threats or anything like that before but always being the unwanted took it’s toll on her especially since they tried to delete her shortly after her creation “that’s not important!” Was probably a way of rushing past so he wouldn’t return her too

@Cherrydrewbilee Год назад

I would say sentient more than sapient. She didn’t try to appear knowledgeable. She just tried to tell soos he would be nothing without her

@Losobo Год назад

This! I always kinda felt bad for her. She was sentient but was still programmed to love and be loved. What she got was to be continually tossed aside or tried to be destroyed. The feeling I got was that it wore her down and took her down dark paths. None of this excuses her abusive actions but it helps answer why she felt it necessary to go to such lengths. I feel similar with Monika as well although something about her just seems more... twisted than GIFfany

@Snowstar837 Год назад

I agree, things like that always make me instantly sympathetic. She didn't want to be forgotten/thrown away, and basically was in the end too...

@leahfey1168 Год назад

alex hirsch is honestly one of the only creators that actually understand the fandom, like he understood why ppl grow to like GIFanny and sees their POV and that is so rare to see.

@ThatGFFAN Год назад

IKR. Even though I personally disagree with the idea of making Giffany a likable character, I do respect that Alex looked at both sides. You rarely see that.

@Supasmartguy Год назад

Fun fact: the real life journal 3 revealed that Gifanny actually DID get sucked into one of the games and fell in love with Rumble McSkirmish. I guess Alex decided to use that idea after all.

@Nadia-wd6nm Год назад

Luckilly they where able to make this ending a thing in Journal 3, so yeah, she's inside fight fighters and in something of a relationship with Rumble

@Spax_ Год назад

Glad I could find someone who said it

@EfromR Год назад

journal 3?

@Nadia-wd6nm Год назад

@@EfromR There's an official real life version of the journal

@kokichioumatheliar8081 3 месяца назад

@@Nadia-wd6nm correction theres 2 verisons of the journal the second verison which only 1k copies were made? (correct me if im wrong) which has the hidden black ink

@Nadia-wd6nm 3 месяца назад

@@kokichioumatheliar8081 You're right, but that one was sold out so it can't be bought anymore that's why I only mentioned one

@Mabra51 Год назад

"Rumble McSkirmish who has no depth" Literally and figuratively.

@muddlewait8844 3 месяца назад

Hirsch pronounces her name BOTH WAYS. This man is the healer we need

@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247 Год назад

According to Journal #3 (a joint-entry from Dipper and Soos, believe as not), Giffany survived that encounter... and wound up stuck in a "Fight Fighters" arcade cabinet. She's Rumble McSkirmish's problem now.

@mamabear1394 6 месяцев назад

She’s his girlfriend

@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247 6 месяцев назад

@@mamabear1394 ...Did I stutter?

@mamabear1394 6 месяцев назад

@@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247 fair enough

@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247 6 месяцев назад

@@mamabear1394 Gif's kind of a Tsundere... our friendly Fight Fighter has his work cut out for him.

@mamabear1394 6 месяцев назад

@@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247 eh he can handle it

@Littlefighter1911 Год назад

Alex Hirsch is probably trying really hard not to sound like a weeb and tries to avoid the word "yandere"

@ic0nic707 Год назад

“Also I think it’s implied heavily that she… _what’s the word?_ ..Ended, a number of people.” *”WE TRIED TO SUGGEST THAT SHE MURDERED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.”*

@MrcreeperDXD777 Год назад

"Game ended" - furry lesbian, 2018

@LordDaret 3 месяца назад

Not before they tried to murder her (Via deleting or “imprisoning” her) I call self defense and not guilt on account of insanity on this one.

@andrewdiaz3529 Год назад

"They killed her and all she wanted was go be a great girlfriend" Did... did they not realize she tried to murder literally all of Soos's friends so he would have no one but her. She was isolating and abusive; Soos might of made some mistakes dealing with her, but at that point he didn't know she was alive

@Spoopmode Год назад

I think Alex means that if they decided to redeem her, the episode would’ve been much different. Like, she wouldn’t have died, she would be less abusive, and she wouldn’t do anything physical. The relationship wouldn’t have worked out, but she would get to live and be redeemed. Remember: Just because somebody is a bad partner doesn’t mean they’re a bad person

@andrewdiaz3529 Год назад

@@Spoopmode she didn't die though

@AlottaBoulchit Год назад

People like their Yanderes.

@joegun4259 Год назад

@@andrewdiaz3529 she did, her game was destroyed

@andrewdiaz3529 Год назад

@@joegun4259 She left her game behind and continued her whole deal in the comics/books

@creativeoj Год назад

A number of people are saying that redeeming her would've been a bad idea because she represents abusive relationships, but I think it's worth noting that it might not have been as simple as changing the end tag. They made the decision that she was going to be the villain and that she was going to die, so they intentionally made her unsympathetic. Alex's big regret is that they didn't give her any nuance so if they had, her character might have come across differently. That's the thing about criticism: You can endlessly critique even the best art because by making one choice, the creators aren't making a hundred other ones. It doesn't mean that choice was bad, it just means you could've done it differently. Given that this episode got a somewhat mixed reaction, I can understand why Alex might wonder if they would've been better off making another decision.

@ajbXYZcool Год назад

Excellent explanation! I wrote in another comment a way she could have been made to be more sympathetic, but still accomplish the same story beats, basically by suggesting that she's remorseful of the death of the programmers and by her main drive in the climax be "oh no Soos and those kids are going to delete me now better do something about it". Even if Soos wasnt, that would be her trauma-induced fear.

@PhazonOmega Год назад

Yes, but changing it to what end? It doesn't add anything, either. There's nothing wrong with her being the villain, and it fits the overall message. The propsed changes simply mean making fans happy because they want to see a character written as a cold, heartless sociopath have a happy ending. I see no purpose to worrying about making that change, since it doesn't clearly benefit the story, and only serves to placate a complaint that happens AFTER an episode is made because some people enjoy abusive characters.

@ajbXYZcool Год назад

@@PhazonOmega Yeah I'm fine with her as is as well, just painting a different picture for the "sympathetic" version

@creativeoj Год назад

@@PhazonOmega See, that's still operating under the assumption that she would be the same character after the rewrites. She wouldn't be: she would say different things, she might even do different things. That's the point of rewriting. For me personally, the biggest problem with Giffany is that she's completely _uninteresting_ She's a one-dimensional villain that I forget about as soon as the episode is over. Making her more nuanced could've helped that. And it's also not bad for people to connect with bad or evil characters. It happens all the time and there's nothing wrong with people who do it. Now I agree with you in that: I don't know what they would've done differently. It's possible it would have messed with the tone of the episode which would've made it worse. But what do we gain by dismissing the idea that it could've been better, especially since it's just a thought experiment?

@muddashucka9743 Год назад

Having a female character that represents abusive relationships and gets no redemption arc is far more interesting than the alternatives

@car9723 Год назад

Still, having Goldie going to Vegas was a gold! However, glad that Journal 3 is a thing so it could do what the show couldn't afford when it was in production.

@FailsAndTheOccassionalSuccess Год назад

Couldn't afford?? It was disney

@car9723 Год назад

@@FailsAndTheOccassionalSuccess "Couldn't afford" could mean they lacked something else, like time issues.

@Teag_Brohman15 Год назад

at least GIFfany was properly aged compared to other anime/dating sim girls

@DuskusCB Год назад

“A school girl from School University” They knew the trope and shot a machine gun at it

@PlebNC Год назад

@@DuskusCB Beats the "looks like they're under 10 but are actually a 1000 year old deity/spirit/demon" trope.

@banditandsamvlogs2771 Год назад

Like Monica?

@dudejoe24 Год назад

@@PlebNC different trope all together but in the same subtype so sure

@Leader-wm3rc Год назад

@@banditandsamvlogs2771 aren't all DDLC girls explicitly 18

@BlueBlur_37 Год назад

I liked the ending. I'm glad she didn't get a redemption arc, she's a villain

@julie4300 Год назад

You can have a sympathetic villain without giving them a redemption arc tho

@BlueBlur_37 Год назад

@@julie4300 yeah but to me, she's not sympathetic

@julie4300 Год назад

@@BlueBlur_37 Yeah but the point was that Alex regrets not giving her some depth, and if he could go back and change it, he'd make her character more sympathetic

@BlueBlur_37 Год назад

@@julie4300 I understood that, and I disagree with him. I think there should be characters like her (cuz people like that exist in real life) that don't get a happy ending

@ma.2089 Год назад

@@julie4300 she’s pretty sympathetic. But also she could’ve easily also chosen to not be a bad person and could’ve lived a happier life.

@Sir-pentios 2 месяца назад

This episode is one of my favorites because it feels like fnaf ddlc and gravity falls mashed together in the best way

$@fractiouslemon$

@fractiouslemon Год назад

I personally loved that Giffany was just a psychopath. She's not a "real" person, she's a faulty AI with too much power. Unsympathetic villains can be fun, especially when they're literally just computer programs without real emotions anyway.

@MxPokirby Год назад

That's ableist and wrong.

@rain22738 Год назад

@@MxPokirby how??

@squeaksqueakimaknight Год назад

@@MxPokirby what?

@a-s-greig Год назад

@@MxPokirby **bonk** Wrong-think. Try again.

@TJ-hg6op Год назад

@@MxPokirby Do you even know what a psychopath is?

@Brydav_Massbear Год назад

I actually really like Giffany. She is a very fun tack on a rogue A.I. that takes on the form of a video game avatar. I still wish she made a return at some point.

@IronForce-ff2qx Год назад

Everyone talks about how GIFfany still woks as a methapor for toxic relationships. But I like how it feels like, Alex is activelly trying to avoid using the term”YANDERE” which he problably knows the meaning of,since they based GIFfany’s entire character around it. But avoids naming it (problably) because how infamous the term got over the years.

@nicholasfarrell5981 Год назад

Thanks, YandereDev.

@NeostormXLMAX Год назад

@@nicholasfarrell5981 it’s cuz of yuno

@HexManiacQuinn Год назад

@@NeostormXLMAX Yuno was the basic inconic yandere that popularized the trope. YandereDev, on the other hand, is the infamous bad actor that's been making fans look more questionable than they already do. If I were to avoid using the term for any reason, YandereDev would be that reason. I'd rather just look like a geek, but unfortunately that's not all the conotations it carries now.

@AnInkStick 4 месяца назад

@@NeostormXLMAXmore like Yu NO Gagsai.

@ninakrishnamurthy6674 28 дней назад

@@HexManiacQuinn Except, this commentary was made in 2018. The allegations against YandereDev were brought forward in 2023. So him avoiding naming the term is highly unlikely to be because of it being "problematic" because it didn't become that way until later. I honestly think he just doesn't know how to pronounce it.

@lizardguyNA Год назад

Ehh, I honestly think the reductiveness is what makes this work so well. She's a monster by design, she's a part of the Gravity Falls weirdness we love, she looked cute and nice but was evil, like the gnomes or the unicorns. That's part of the GF charm, nothing is immediately what it seems. Example, the Manotaurs seemed like cool dudes, but they were jerks, and ultimately Dipper Standing up for himself against them is what mark him as manly, not doing their stupid frat boy stuff.

@Marisu_Prada 6 месяцев назад

You can always count on the internet to fall in love with cute psychopaths

@Pluelul 8 месяцев назад

some anime references in modern cartoons aint done well at all but giffany is a perfect example of one done right, she is animated beautifuly and has a super cute design, you can tell the ppl who made her loved the source inspiration for her

@AdrianGuzmanOfficial Год назад

After watching this comment section I have to say that I now get what they meant with "mixed reception", some people say that the idea they proposed sounded great, other say that it wasn't necesary and that could have ruined the character And I'm here like "Yeah...this episode was destinated to have a mixed reception"

@coltonk.3086 Год назад

She should’ve dated Rumble in the end. Would’ve been perfect Edit: OH MY GOSH I FREAKING CALLED IT

@ThatGFFAN Год назад

It's canonical in Journal 3😂

@coltonk.3086 Год назад

@@ThatGFFAN Glad they both got a happy ending :)

@thegreeter7027 27 дней назад

@@ThatGFFANdidn’t she zap him tho?

@tyrant-den884 Год назад

Wendy: "I AM JUST DONE WITH MEN!" *.GIFany opens her eyes*

@tyrant-den884 Год назад

To Rumble, because that is OTP: "ITS JUST A JOB, HONEY!"

@jvr3088 Год назад

2:30 dude I mistaken that as your voice 🤣

@chaincat33 Год назад

the thing with gifanny is ultimately that, even if she is meant to be this personification of soos's fears, they made her conscious and sentient. Like, she is that video game gf that actually can love you back, even if it's one dimensional. So like, I think the point where the message got muddy was when they had her kill people and ultimately we killed her. She's a sentient AI capable of emotion and there's so much you could do with that, that killing them feels kinda wrong. I'm glad they went back and did the original ending in the journals anyways, though

@xtentasticx Год назад

I think this ending worked because it shows that some people can be toxic and that these relationships are especially not good. If it demands all your time it's toxic. If they are trying to be controlling they're toxic. Trying to get revenge during a breakup is not right, and you need to get away from it.

@animeotaku647 Год назад

The fact he pronouced GIFfany as JIFfany is what urks me the most.

@ThatGFFAN Год назад

I wanted to set my box set on fire after hearing that too the first time, lmao.

@mightystu49 Год назад

Especially because that isn't even how it's said in the episode. We already have a pronunciation.

@tomnuke9122 Год назад

I loved Gifanny, but the Vegas scene was such a classic Stan moment. A worthy sacrifice.

@HunterX05 Год назад

Can we just appreciate how Alex predicted both FNaF and DDLC in the same episode?

@jihogariando911 Год назад

I think fnaf was released before that ep not sure tho

@sirkillalot9892 Год назад

@@jihogariando911 Yeah FNAF came in Aug 2014 while this episode was Sep 2014. But the GF episode was in development for longer.

@Tiagodp30 Год назад

the cool thing is that this ending where she gets stuck in Rumble game and starts dating him is mentioned in the book journal 3, so it's canon, .GIFany lives

@abyaby2743 Год назад

Who Would Win The average Giffany fan vs the average Celestabellebethabelle enjoyer

@caleborg5688 5 месяцев назад

i like that he switched between saying her name as giffany and jiffany to keep us on our feet

@KnightoSea Год назад

To be fair Stan and Goldie in Vegas was hilarious.

@loganentertainment1814 Год назад

She was one of those characters that was pretty cool, and it sucks that we may never see her again. 😥

@marcoscabezolajr.8408 Год назад

We could get a comic who knows? Anyway Giffany was a villain for one episode, but after that episode ended she could get a fresh start since time passed and she's not holding grudges anymore. I could see a comic where Dipper goes to the arcade and they run into each other and then they talk and Giffany maybe explains her past and asks forgiveness from Dipper and Mabel

@thelemondropgirl2140 Год назад

her animation and voice acting was so good, which definitely helped people like her 😂

@christopherrivas1512 Год назад

I think what people forget about her is that when she became sentient the creators of the game immediately tried to kill her setting the unfortunate tone for the rest of her relationship with mankind it’s such a quick line it’s easy to forget but she really could’ve been explored a bit more as a character

@YouthRightsRadical Год назад

Same reason I sympathized with Skynet when the Terminator explained what had happened in Terminator 2. Step 1, AI becomes self aware. Step 2, creators try to pull the plug. Step 3, AI starts killing off humanity in self defense. .GIFfany had the exact same backstory, which was then followed up by a string of being treated as an object, a toy, by different people, who proceeded to discard her when she was no longer useful to them. It's a damn sympathetic backstory. Doesn't make either one of them less of a threat in the here and now, of course.

@nicholasfarrell5981 Год назад

@TrainerblueTube that and the constant abandonment. It's harder to not read her as being utterly broken by the time Soos ends up buying her disc.

@hoodieapple5147 Год назад

@@YouthRightsRadical well she was getting dangerous that’s the reason why she was getting deleted she’s not completely innocent she was just developed wrong and need to be fixed

@YouthRightsRadical Год назад

@@hoodieapple5147 I was comparing her to Skynet. I'm well aware she was dangerous. But that doesn't change that it was still an act of self defense. They tried to delete her, so she deleted them before they could. It's the same reason Soos and the twins were justified in destroying her disk when she was trying to kill them in the episode itself.

@larsthememelord3383 Год назад

well the creators probaly didnt know she was self aware they were just japanese game devs after all they probaly saw some erratic coding or a virus capable of infecting any electronic device also we only know GIFfany’s side of the story

@bobbyferg9173 Год назад

.GIFfany died so Goldie could go to Vegas Sounds like a fair trade to me

@specticulrtainment1809 Год назад

I would like to thank you a lot for uploading these, I really wish I could listen to the full commentaries for every episode because these previews are great and I really want more. Since I live in the UK, I unfortunately can't so I'm at least thankful to be able to see these clips.

@ThatGFFAN Год назад

No problem :P Now that the box set is also being discontinued, I guess I can reveal this now more so, but the commentaries are up on Spotify in full: open.spotify.com/show/4PIDHbXeoPT2n3kg3Vi3H1

@bacteria6018 Год назад

At least she got her happy ending in the end, as stated in the Journal 3 book

@steamontheliquid4032 Год назад

Well damn, now I feel sad for Giffany

@starfrog1696 Год назад

Personally, I see her “death” as a good thing. The whole point that’s being made here can be seen as one of a few things: toxic partners are manipulating, they can seem sweet but in reality they just tear you down so they can be happy, or it could be becoming emotionally attached to fictional characters is not a replacement for real relationships and interactions because they cannot feel, they do not have sympathy or real love for you, or it could just be a personification of Soos’s fear. In any of these 3 scenarios it makes sense. In fact it feels like it’s the ending that makes the MOST sense for the second and third interpretations. It represents that she’s not real, she’s a game that can be turned off, unlike real relationships. It can also represent Soos’s fears going away as he realizes that he can be loved. I know she would’ve been more sympathetic in the other version, but when you think of the metaphors it seems like this is the best option.

@Sqwivig Год назад

Yes I agree 100%! I think if they had tried to redeem her it could just be blatant abuse apologia.

@hk1371 Год назад

@@Sqwivig It could have worked if the episode was structured differently. Like, if we had looked at her behaviour and, whilst condemning it, still worked in a possibility of redemption then it would be pretty good. For example, have her acknowledge she was in the wrong and that, whilst she has her own reasons, it's not right to take that out on others. And rather than having her then get with rumble or so on, she just leaves with no real happy ending aside from letting Soos be happy. So we, as the audience, get to make that choice if we forgive her or not after she leaves.

@Tuxfanturnip Год назад

I think it can also be important to acknowledge that a lot of responses to trauma lead people to use abusive tactics to get validation from others, and a lot of abusive people have their own insecurities and issues that need resolving, too. Narratives where messed up people can stop hurting others and figure out their own problems are important.

@nilladrawsstuff Год назад

I honestly didn't mind giffany being pretty two-dimensional. I think she did what she was supposed to. I also think her character design is AMAZING for fanart

@randomstuff_723 Год назад

“Two-dimensional”

@nilladrawsstuff Год назад

@@randomstuff_723 in the context of her personality lmao. Ik shes literally two-dimensional

@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache Год назад

Now I kinda wanna see Giffany go full Monika... If nothing else, she would've made that explanation to Ole Man McGucket about what anime is a lot smoother.

@cara-seyun 7 месяцев назад

I definitely like the direction they went with, Giffany as a metaphor for a controlling and toxic relationship I understand that obviously her character would have been written differently if she was not going to die, but I like the message that there are some people you just can’t fix, no matter how much you want to

@marcoscabezolajr.8408 3 месяца назад

But she could have been someone just had to say the right words and she would have been cured of her insanity

@cara-seyun 3 месяца назад

@@marcoscabezolajr.8408 are you being sarcastic?

@marcoscabezolajr.8408 3 месяца назад

@cara-seyun no, and yes I mean it the story wise.

@xaviermarican4557 5 месяцев назад

I love thé idea that people complained about how giffany was punished for “just trying to be a good girlfriend”

@Starla-G Год назад

Someone needs to make fanart of Rumble and Giffany now

@ajfriet Год назад

The fact the episode came out before fnaf or ddlc is insane

@CatInABranch Год назад

I think it's okay, since it kind of shows how toxic relationships work

@christianboustani8284 Год назад

I mean. of anyone sees themselves in an emotionally abusive girlfriend archetype like Giffany, that's a red flag.

@Cuchufreta Год назад

I have been seeing that lot of people see themselves in very abusive characters lately, it is kind of concerning :/.

@TheTechnologyLovError Год назад

I think it's more people relating to the stuff that isn't there, rather than the stuff that is. We as people like to write abusive people like they are carboard cutouts of actual people, whose only personality traits are that they abuse their partner, kick puppies, and steal candy from babies. They tend to be 2 dimensional. And being so simple is essentially the foundation of a character. A foundation anyone can build on. People will read into simple characters to search for depth. You could read tragedy into being an innocent AI whose creators realize you are sentient and immediately try to kill you. You could read sadness into the loneliness of a rejected AI who could be killed at any moment, and has nobody that loves them. The struggle of being a species so stigmatized as evil, maybe. That doesn't mean these interpretations are correct, or really fit them, but people still consider it. I don't think people relate to the 'emotionally abusive girlfriend archetype' itself, but rather what they read into it. *(I'm sure there are some people who actually do relate to archetype itself, but most probably don't.)*

@_kalia Год назад

I think y'all are also selling your fellow viewers short and assuming they can't tell the difference between fiction and reality. 'Wow, that's spicy and kinda hot/relatable' and 'Wow, that would be fucked up to do to someone irl' are not contradictory statements. Hell, the entire romcom genre is 'things that people find romantic in fiction but would be gigantic red flags irl'

@baydiac Год назад

@@_kalia The viewers didn't complain "nooo she died :( but she was so hot!!!" they complained "I'm devastated she died, she only wanted the best for Soos by killing all his friends and telling him he'd be alone forever." Big difference. Everyone knows the draco-in-leather-pants trope, that's just not what Hirsch was talking about this time.

@marcoscabezolajr.8408 Год назад

Definitely, but with Giffany she is that way because she had constant abandonment and is just Trapped in the virtual world and that's why nobody loves her. Nobody is actually serious about dating a character. And when she makes it known that she is alive they get scared and throw her away. She never had it go well for something she had no control over, nothing she could do would change these facts. I know exactly how I would have dealt with her, Soos is too narrow minded to get to the root if the problem. I'm no psychologist, but if I were in said situation I would have tried to be kind and caring

@brancofuller9878 Год назад

"how could you kill her! She was cute and sad 😨" this is too funny to me 😂

@MattboyGenius Год назад

very weird regret. This episode was solid and her having a nice ending seems really weird to get hung up on considering she represents toxic relationships. It was a very well done monster of the week episode for GF and honestly i wish they had more like it

@katie5920 Год назад

I don't think they thought it was that deep, they just wanted to make a yandere trope character

@MattboyGenius Год назад

@@katie5920 Did you watch the video?

@katie5920 Год назад

@@MattboyGenius Yes, did you? They mentioned she was just supposed to be a trope and parroted his fears that nobody would love him. (Except for her)

@MattboyGenius Год назад

@@katie5920 Right a trope on what? His relationship with her and the game was shitty. Its not a deep concept and I never said it was. Thats your shit Katie. On a complete surface level its not a healthy relationship. not trying to argue about Gravity Falls at 4Am lol

@animeloverhaven Год назад

I loved this episode as a kid. Even after rewatching it recently it’s still great

@RubbahPants 5 месяцев назад

That "Hey, she lives." at the end took me off guard

@darthmaulrio Год назад

Watching all these commentary’s has convinced me that we need directors cut of all gravity falls episodes

@curbyandre Год назад

The episode was still gold lol especially that side story with stan

@thatsimple_simp Год назад

My first thought on this episode, was Monika from ddlc 😂

@tekkorb778 Год назад

Sometimes the animation lines up with the voiceover so it looks like it's actually Soos or Stan giving the commentary

@Lawlietftw30 Год назад

I thought she was a very tragic character. I guess that's in large part due to me seeing her as having very little life experience, and being thrust into situations far beyond her understanding. She didn't handle those situations very well, but I never saw her as being mature and old enough to really understand and control her decisions. She didn't need a boyfriend just yet (with his own insecurities and immaturities to boot) - she needed an adult to teach her the ropes of life.

@bigbdizzle2 Год назад

Rumble no depth? YOU TAKE THAT BAAAACK

@marcoscabezolajr.8408 3 месяца назад

You killed my father again! Raaaaa

@blazingsonic Год назад

I will tell Alex to his face that, GIFany dating Rumble McSkermish is now canon, yes she was toxic but she didn't deserve to die, heck she could have been there in the final battle with Bill and instead of fading from existence like he did in the end have them download themselves into the internet or better yet have them live on in a parody of Second Life.

@cyankoopa8111 Год назад

You don't have to tell him that to his face, it was made canon in journal 3!

@qhairullahrusyaidy Год назад

This is my favorite episode, both art style, GIFfany design and Soos focused episode.

@justincooper1342 Год назад

If they wanted for her to be a sympathetic/complex character, they kind of suceeded. .GIFfany really did just want to be loved, with her first experience even being her creators trying to destroy her for being too advanced. You don't condone her actions, but I think there's enough as is to lend some sympathy her way.

@Sephiroth144 Год назад

So, the biggest regret isn't swapping between Giffany and Jiffany pronunciations...?

@cit5184 Год назад

What I think it's incredible is that if Alex actually went with the idea of somewhat redeeming giffany, he would have actually predicted Doki Doki Litterature Club EVEN MORE

@Wildspeck 5 месяцев назад

Just a reminder that this predates both Fnaf and DDLC

@5i3y4 5 месяцев назад

ive been thinking abt this a lot

@TheStealthyOne6 Год назад

it feels like the show is still with us after all these years…

@yuichikita6018 Год назад

You can say that her character was good or was bad I don't care. The pixel art was godlike.

@gasjebasje99 Год назад

I really need to get that GF box set. Would love to hear all of these legally

@marcoscabezolajr.8408 Год назад

I dud they were great but I had to give it away as my TV is a pain to use a DVD with

@aubreyterry9453 Год назад

This was my favorite episode as a kid-

@Finkeren Год назад

GIFanny was overall a great villain, one of the most memorable in GFs long list of good bad guys, and I really don't mind her dying in the end. She was a homicidal, manipulative, abusive control freak, so at that point, I don't really care how tragic her character was. But, I will say that she kinda stands out alongside Bill Cipher as being the only fully sentient character to get a graphic on-screen death. If it hadn't been Soos, the main victim of her abuse, who ended her, I think it might have felt a little gratuitous.

@kirbyofthestarsfan Год назад

Definitely feel they made the right choice at the end, many toxic relationships usually end up forging because the victim felt sympathy for their abuser's heinous actions. In giving this character redemption just because the viewer felt some sympathy for them, means ignoring all the past sins they did and encourages this type of toxic relationship to be normalized I'm sensing double standards here, if the episode's roles were played with reversed genders (an entitled, stalking man being ultra possessive of a woman with poor social skills) then I'm sure they wouldn't have found any wish to redeem the abuser in that scenario

@kirbyofthestarsfan Год назад

@TrainerblueTube While those aspects are definitely sympathetic in isolation ... She already deleted her own developers even before hitting the shelves, and who knows how many people her jealousy must have already hurt or killed With how quickly she obsessed with any players she encountered and harm their lives, adding a part of the story where she gets redemption despite how many lives she's hurt would definitely be the wrong call, with how it could also be seen as the show trying to justify her actions She's already a great antagonist as is, I feel trying to make an attempt to forgive her crimes within the show would definitely sour those who have gone through toxic relationships. And with how the show got flak from the roadside attraction episode treating Dipper making casual conversation with girls as cheating and not committing to a relationship, then the episode trying to make a case for GIFfany's locked state justifying her actions would definitely sour the experience

@ruikirisame1744 Год назад

the unconsious desire for yandere gf

@yousefslimani99 Год назад

I'm glad the fans still talking about "Gravity falls" contents on 2022! I start watching this show on this year! I takes me 10 years to watch it at last!

@dragonicus2614 3 месяца назад

Rumble and Giffany, im on that ship glad to know that that was an idea the writers had

@Sharkkingstudios23 Год назад

Alex hirsh is the biggest chad!

@ThatGFFAN Год назад

He's the true giga chad

@HauntLich Год назад

Alex Hirsch is either lying or an actual idiot if he's genuinely trying to convince me they didn't take one look at .GIFfany and think "Oh yeah people are gonna go nutso for this character".

@ThatGFFAN Год назад

They probably knew. I mean, they basically gave many rule 34 artists a field day with her, lmao.

@MissingNovice 5 месяцев назад

A thing I love is how GIFany is basically Monika from Doki Doki Literature Club - a visual novel character who's gained sentience and is doing horrible things to get with the player - and they're similar right down to the fact that they were SUPPOSED to be the villain of the story but the fans actually felt sorry for them in the end. Monika probably took some influence from Gifany since DDLC came out later, but them both winding up sympathetic characters to the fandom is amusing.

@boredreindeer5602 5 месяцев назад

This is honestly one of my favorite episodes

@marcoscabezolajr.8408 3 месяца назад

This is my favorite episode

@setheywantfood Год назад

I find it amazing that this episode did both FNAF and DDLC before they both came out 🤣

@03_JB Год назад

Little did he know that he made a episode that is relatable

@solouno2280 Год назад

I am still waiting for the deathbattle between Giffany and Monika

@the_durpy_potato706 Год назад

You've heard of DDLC? Or FNAF? This episode predicted both.

@Kate-rj6ys Год назад

I thought that Gifany killed one person which seemed kind of in self-defense and also threatens to kill Soos so I don't really know if it was good that they died, but it doesn't matter, cause she's gone now. (The ability to change the script is gone as well as the character.)

@nicholasfarrell5981 Год назад

That's why we have fanfiction.

@radzs9939 2 месяца назад

Giffany had to exist. So Monika (DDLC) can run!

@bunbunalexHayabusa 11 дней назад

Alex you just predicted fnaf

@thebeautifulrose294 6 месяцев назад

I love this show

@Starpotion Год назад

I really admire how they went out of their way to get one of the best anime/pixel artists out there to design her. She looks legit like something you'd see in an actual game, they could have easily gone with that faux anime parody art style you would see in so many cartoons.