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I don't need to go into all the reasons, there are numerous books, videos here, conferences etc. that explain why many people have taken this view, which is obvious when you do some thinking rather than jumping to ad hominem remarks. The fact that Will Shaksper was unable to sign his own name is high on the list, along with a house being rebuilt in Victorian times to promote a myth, and having nothing whatever that belonged to the glove-maker's son in it (especially books, that Will never possessed in his entire life). For info, I was not a "tour guide" but enjoyed showing many visitors around the town; I lived nearby, interestingly enough in Rowington, where John and also Will Shaksper lived.

@seamus heaney Thank you.

I don't recognise your caricature of Stratford. I worked there for years, and locals turn out in droves when there's some special occasion connected with the work of the talented local boy. Who trained you? You must have been a very inattentive trainee. If you were taking people around the town, you were talking to tourists, you nerk.

@@peterzoeftig2513 Since he couldn't sign his own name, it seems odd that we have six signatures written in good secretary hand, complete with standard abbreviations. So glad you're not working there now. You were clearly an awful tourist guide. And yes, it WAS rebuilt in Victorian times, because by that time it had been through several incarnations, including ale-house and butcher's shop. It's actually not bad as Victorian restorations go, and the decoration is meticulously copied from patterns and styles of the time, complete with accurate period furniture, and guides who (unlike your good self) know what they are talking about. There's pretty good evidence that this WAS the original rather swish (for the time) house where the talented boy Shakespeare lived. Also the Grammar school he attended is still extant, Holy Trinity Church is beautiful, and the Royal Shakespeare Theatre is a thriving cultural centre which produces world-class productions, hosting the greatest actors of their generation. I've seen Alan Rickman, David Tenant, Patrick Stuart, Janet Suzman, Mira Sayal, Sylvester McCoy, Jane Lapotaire ... Maybe you'd have enjoyed your job more if you'd taken more interest.

It wasn't a pen name. It's an actual name. It appears in the birth and death records of holy trinity. And in the case of Bellot v Mountjoy, he appeared as a witness. The clerk recorded his name as 'William Shakespeare of Stratford upon Avon in the county of Warwick'. So the Shakespeare of London was also the Shakespeare of Stratford. He is listed as an actor in the plays of Ben Jonson, and received payments for court performances for Queen Elizabeth. As a member of the King's Men, he was issued with cloth to make doublet and hose for the coronation of King James. He is also mentioned on MANY documents in connection with the King's Men theatre company, including the official letters patent. He received a bequest from actor Augustine Philips, and made bequests to Burbage, Heminges and Condel. Other playwrights identified him as author, including Ben Jonson, Francis Beaumont and John Webster. He is ASTONISHINGLY well documented for a man of his time. You are just wrong. This is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of cold hard documentary fact. Therefore be out of hope, out of question. The boy from Stratford wrote the plays.

The Elizabethans were educated, and would have recognised this obvious reference to the Homeric hymn to Athena, just like educated people today.

@@BerkshireBabe I love this idea. Waugh is always saying that stuff. 'Elizabethan poets were very smart and very clever. ' ALL OF THEM???? There were NO stupid poets? Nonsense. But you take it even further. ALL Elizabethans were educated. Well, that's great news. Maybe we need to close down most of our schools apart from a few grammar schools, and rely on fee-paying schools and personal tutors for the rich. Maybe THEN we can catch up with the Elizabethans. This is all such hogwash - an intoxicating cocktail of wishful thinking and snobbery, delivering the standard kick that conspiracy theorists get from thinking they're in on some dark secret. Contrary to popular opinion, there is abundant evidence that the man from Stratford became an actor in London, then wrote some poems and plays. Meanwhile there is literally NO documentary evidence that links the Earl of Oxford with any of the work. And the Earth is a globe. And NASA landed people on the moon. And there is no Q.

Ha ha! Very funny. Just for anybody who is reading this exchange and doesn't know, there is nothing contentious about saying that the Renaissance was a time of great scholarship when the ancient Greek texts were rediscovered and translated into Latin, a language which ALL educated people could read. Gradually the texts were translated into the vernacular languages of Europe. Whether thoutube likes it or not, almost all of the poets mentioned in this video were educated at Oxford or Cambridge and were deeply immeresed in the classics. In fact, George Chapman, a poet in De Vere's circle did the first translation of the Homeric Hymns into English. Here's the quote from a later translation about how Athena sprang out of the head of Zeus fully armed, shaking her spear: "Wise Zeus himself bare her from his awful head, arrayed in warlike arms of flashing gold, and awe seized all the gods as they gazed. But Athena sprang quickly from the immortal head and stood before Zeus who holds the aegis, shaking a sharp spear".

@@BerkshireBabe Funny you choose the LATER translation. Because Chapman's Homer (the first to be translated to English from the original Greek) puts it like this: "Her birth gave way to, that abroad she flew, And stood, in gold arm’d, in her Father’s view, Shaking her sharp lance." Lance, not spear. It's not a fine distinction. A lance is a pole weapon, too big to throw. And if that's the way the Greek word was translated AT THE TIME, then that's the way classicists AT THAT TIME would have seen it. The works were never published under the name of 'Shakelance'.

@@BerkshireBabe It's hardly surprising that most of the poets had been to Oxford or Cambridge. But I'm not sure they learned things that would have helped them to be poets or playwrights. Interestingly, Ben Jonson had NOT. Nor had many other playwrights, and equally interestingly, there's a bit of dialogue in the Parnassus plays which yokes Jonson and Shakespeare together as successful writers who hadn't been to university. Marlowe HAD been to University in theory, but spent so much time spying for the government that the University had to be coerced into awarding him a degree. But the big problem for people who want Oxford to be the writer is that William Shakespeare of Stratford was. Similarly, if only George Lucas hadn't written 'Star Wars' it could have been me. Problem is, George beat me to it. How do we KNOW that the boy from Stratford wrote the work? Well, it's like this: 1 In the case of Bellot v Mountjoy, which was heard in a London courtroom, WS was recorded as 'William Shakespeare (that spelling) Stratford upon Avon in the county of Warwick'. You can see the original here: shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/resource/document/bellott-v-mountjoy-first-set-depositions-bellotts-behalf-including-shakespeares. 2 So Shakespeare OF STRATFORD was in London. But was he the actor? Well, William's father John had attained the rank of gentleman. Thus Shakespeare is listed by the college of arms. As it happens, they LISTED Shakespeare of Stratford as 'Shakespeare the Player'. You can find the evidence here: shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/repository/college-arms 3 William Shakespeare is also listed in his collected works by Ben Jonson as one of the 'principal tragedians'. You'll find the original documents here: shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/resource/document/works-benjamin-jonson-shakespeare-included-two-cast-lists We also have evidence of a payment made for a court performance, and Shakespeare's name being listed on the Letters Patent given to the King's Men company. Exchequer, Pipe Office, Declared Accounts: Listing Shakespeare as a leading player of the Lord Chamberlain’s company | Shakespeare Documented (folger.edu) Exchequer, Pipe Office, Declared Accounts: Listing Shakespeare as a leading player of the Lord Chamberlain’s company | Shakespeare Documented (folger.edu) Now let's look at the evidence that this actor was also the writer. 1Francis Meres listed him in 1598 as writer. Oddly enough, he also mentions the Earl of Oxford. he clearly sees them as two different people: shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/resource/document/palladis-tamia-one-earliest-printed-assessments-shakespeares-works-and-first 2Shakespeare's name appears on a list of plays performed at court during the winter of 1604-5. It ascribes SEVEN canonical plays to him: shakespearedocumented.folger.edu/resource/document/account-edmund-tylney-master-revels-listing-plays-performed-year-1604-5 3 Here is a list of the people who made it quite clear that they thought William Shakespeare was the writer of the plays and poems: Ben Jonson (both in his elegy and in his prose memoir) John Webster (a writer who acknowledged Shakespeare's influence on him). Francis Beaumont - another playwright, who wrote: "Here I would let slip (If I had any in me) scholarship, And from all learning keep these lines as clear As Shakespeare's best are, which our heirs shall hear Preachers apt to their auditors to show How far sometimes a mortal man may go By the dim light of Nature." William Davenant wrote an elegy in which he evoked Stratford upon Avon in connection with the writer. John Davis of Hereford wrote an epigram in which he made it clear that Shakespeare was both writer and actor. This is just a sample. Many of the elegies also make it abundantly clear that they are talking about Shakespeare AS WRITER. The evidence is so abundant, it's EMBARRASSING. Whereas the evidence for Oxford is ... er .... Not sure. Something to do with pirates?

Marlowe was a character invented by Bacon. They had to fake his death to avoid trial. Then the shakespeare team invented the guy from Stratford. All devised by Baron Verulam 😄

Y'know Masonic Rosicrucians gonna do stuff like that.

@@ExxylcrothEagle Here's a deeper dive into Francis Bacon's relationship to the First Folio.sirbacon.org/downloads/The_1623_Shakespeare_First_Folio_A_Bacon.pdf

If you checkout Alexander Waugh's channel: ru-vid.com/show-UCHN7SCKlsa9lPYJmqqQ2uIg You'll find he comes at the authorship question from all the angles. The Shakespeare Oxford Fellowship is also a good port of call. Successful browsing and stay safe in these difficult times.

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@@beniteztheconman bless you!

There are two documentaries. One is called _Last Will. & Testament_ 2012 and the other is much more recent and called _Nothing Is Truer Than Truth_ and can be seen online in pay-per-view or streaming for free on some platforms. There is also the film "Anonymous" which takes liberties to postulate on possible scenario, and it's entertaining enough, even if it's not the most memorable film.

Glad you asked, because I'm sure you really want to know. In about 1618, a poet named John Weever visited Stratford-upon-Avon and copied down the inscription of Shakespeare's funerary monument. Next to the entry in his notes, he wrote "Willm. Shakspeare the famous poet". Two decades earlier, when both were living in London, Weever published an epigram to "Honie-tong'd Shakespeare", so he knew who the poet was, and identified him as the man from Stratford only a couple of years after his death. That's only one. I can present at least a dozen more contemporaries who identified Shakespeare as the Stratford man. Let me know if you are interested.

@@Jeffhowardmeade I'm interested, along with sources.

@@jamesbassett1484 And my name is Jeffrey Meade. I'm a retired police officer from California. Coriolanus is one of my favorite plays, hence the username. There's no attempt to hide my identity.

@@jamesbassett1484 Fourth try. Look for John Weever and antiquarian and the document will come up.

@@jamesbassett1484 It's hosted by the Folger Shakespeare Library.

Unless they have the facts at hand, and then they just laugh at you.

The work is there and it's brilliant uplifting and educational = whether created under pseudonom or even a group of writers collectively called Shakespeare = It was the utube of the day

@@valansley Or even if it was created by the guy everyone said it was.

It was a shotgun wedding when he was 18. We don't know whether or not she could read. Shakespeare's older daughter was literate. Shakespeare left his family in Stratford and lived the next two decades in London. There is no way of knowing at whom The Sonnets were directed.

@@Jeffhowardmeade Please spare me the the assumed history. I know it and it doesn't add up.

@@gennehring1 I don't know whether you know the actual history of not. I do know you can't add. And an Oxfordian calling actal history "assumed"? That's rich! You guys literally assumed your whole hypothesis.

@@Jeffhowardmeade oo sick burn on the typo error, you must be an english teacher. And if we assumed our hypothesis why can't you prove yours?

@@gennehring1 I can easily prove mine. I have piles of documentary evidence. The fact that you've never read it and have been gullible enough to believe whoever told you it didn't exist isn't my problem. Before you continue to embarrass yourself by showing off your ignorance, perhaps you should go to the Shakespeare documented website and see all of the evidence for yourself.

Exvellent. Thank you

Sorry, but that's an ancient emperor, most likely Hadrian.

@@Jeffhowardmeade If you say so.

@@theamazingmystico1243 You could just look up a picture of Hadrian, or make note of the ancient radiate crown the figure on the ring is wearing.

@@Jeffhowardmeade Okay.

@@theamazingmystico1243 You're welcome.

Only if Shakespeare ate it for breakfast.

You’re correct about understanding the period. Those who think an illiterate commoner wrote the plays are saying, in my opinion, that everyone received the same education at that time. They must believe that public libraries existed in Elizabethan England also or that he used Elizabethan Google. It flies in the face of common sense.

Very well said.

Nonsense

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Your comment is therefore dismissed