Alia Atreides: Understanding An Abomination | Dune Explained

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In-depth analysis of Alia Atreides, also known as Saint Alia of the Knife and the Womb of Heaven. She is the sister of Paul Muad'dib Atreides.
Like many characters in Dune, Alia’s story is a tragedy - maybe the most tragic one. Hers is a story about a woman predestined to destroy herself. Alia is an abomination and to really understand Alia and her suffering, we need to understand what it means to be an Abomination.
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@KhalkedonYT 27 дней назад

I feel the exact same way, she doesn't get a lot of love. I wish she could live and get the love she deserved. Leto and Ghanima are also preborns but they had each other so they didnt fall into abomination but Alia had no one.

@TheMarkmcr 27 дней назад

Worse, leto and ghanima could have called their mom for help much earlier, but they chose to let alia fall further under the baron's influence (only other way out of that loneliness), probably to justify seizing the throne from her. The movie version however, comes off as a much darker person to start with

@veramae4098 25 дней назад

Her mother deserts her.

@jimhoover7345 2 дня назад

@@TheMarkmcrLeto and Ghanima could have called their mom for help sooner? Are you talking about Chani? Who dead and at one point tried to possess Ghanima? Or are you talking about Lady Jessica? Who only came to Arrakis to spy on Leto II and Ghanima for the Bene Gesserit? Leto II and Ghanima knew of Alia spice addiction. Her constantly going through the spice agony or spice trance. Leto II and Ghanima knew there was nothing they could do to stop it. Ghanima tells The Lady Jessica when they are speaking alone. That Leto II has not become the abomination yet. That she did worry about her brother and crossing over the line.

@movieverse2626 27 дней назад

I hate Jessica for what she'd done to Alia. Afterwards, she didn't even care for her.

@cesaravegah3787 25 дней назад

The Bene Gesserit conditioning was too strong, she partially overcame it for Leto and Paul, whit Leto dead and Paul Emperor she returned to the sisterhood, no much of a mother then.

@musakamara4157 25 дней назад

Didn't she admit she feared her and that's why she ran. Because she knew what she'd done to her and couldn't face it.

@tanyachristensen5330 19 дней назад

I dislike Jessicas character completely

@t3rror5am 19 дней назад

I just hate Jessica in general

@samanthab1923 16 дней назад

Why not?

@esrasimge8351 27 дней назад

I think Alia is one of the under appreciated and under developed characters in Dune.

@PeloquinDavid 25 дней назад

There is a MAX series in the cards this fall, but it's a prequel inspired by something written by the son of Frank Herbert, rather than by "Children of Dune".

@grantwithers 25 дней назад

I disagree about under development, it's just development that most people can't understand even on their 5th reading. She gets a boat load of development in the books, and we even see her inner mind's workings a lot. Unless you're talking about in the most recent film, which obviously has her not born yet.

@DanielleFerreira-uk9yt 17 часов назад

I think this is kinda the point- she doesn’t have a personality. She is a through-point

@Stitchman3875 24 дня назад

Jessica felt bad at the end of the book because she realized after seeing Leto II and Ghanima who also were abominations were able to overcome them. She felt she could have saved Alia if she didn’t isolate her.

@wyvern723 25 дней назад

Alia was done so dirty. She needed love and support, and she had none.

@AndreFlickUS 27 дней назад

7:24 "They revered her, feared her even prayed to her, but no one really knew her... " I really love this. Good piece of writing!

@extofer 25 дней назад

Wow I’ve never heard her told with so much empathy and thought. She truly is a tragic character.

@user-gd4ku5se8h 24 дня назад

What was done to Alia puts Jessica on the Big Botch list. If Abomination is such a bad thing no doubt Jessica having been educated by the BG should have already known what could happen to her and her child before she took the water of life. She was willing to sacrifice Alia to assure Paul and her own place among the Fremen. Alia was more likely to die than survive as abomination. Remember, Alia was the pregnancy ordered by the BG rather than Paul.

@AtamskArchadian 25 дней назад

Alia and her predicament, makes me consider myself in a new light, what if somewhere in the future one of my descendants developed the ability to connect with their ancestors, including me? I fear the idea that I could be plague upon those I love who are not yet born, with all of my own insecurities, ambitions and old hates. The mere possibility makes me want to be a better person inside, not just what I present to the world, that perhaps finding balance in myself affects more than just me. It puts a new spin on your legacy.

@nadanah183 19 дней назад

what a beautiful thought

@AtamskArchadian 17 дней назад

@@nadanah183 Thanks, always cool to hear from a kindred thinker. Beauty makes thoughts worthwhile I think.

@kimberleywilliams7802 День назад

This is so introspective, I'm deeply amazed that you could come to that conclusion after this video. Makes me look at myself differently even.

@Apricoth311 5 дней назад

Thank you for this. I have read the entire Dune series and could never shake the feeling that a lot of the main characters were tragic ones - a side effect/product of other's machinations. Alia is such a sad story/character as well as Paul (despite him spiraling into full revenge mode), Paul's twin children, Paul's love of his life and so on. I truly do appreciate Herbert's solution to those who would use fate so cruelly - remove fate's power entirely. In that light, Jessica began that possibility - without her disobeying the BG, the BG would have possibly continued on with their bonker plans. It is just truly unfortunate that Jessica abandoned the daughter she basically abused and sentenced to death (as soon as she drank the water of life). But, can you imagine a world like that - one where the power of "fate" is kicked to the curb? "Fate" can represent any thing that is used to coerce, manipulate and control others with. I suppose we, as the regular folks on this planet, need to find this within ourselves.

@nkyryry 12 дней назад

There was no Alia. She was born with all her anscestors memories before having any of her own. She was an empty shell for a dominant personality to take.

@slothsbricktown 27 дней назад

I’m hoping that Villeneuve can incorporate a lot of this in his Dune Part 3, even though most of this happens in Children and not in Messiah.

@user-ms2qo1st4n 27 дней назад

I really don't know how he will manage to adapt those books...

@PeloquinDavid 27 дней назад

I know Villeneuve's said he doesn't plan to do an adaptation of "Children of Dune" (where Alia's full tragic arc plays out) after he's completed "Dune Messiah", but if he changes his mind, I have NO doubt - based on his filmography - that he could get an Oscar-winning performance out of Anya Taylor-Joy here. There are elements of Alia's "Greek tragedy" arc in his "Incendies", of duelling psyches in "Enemy", of "lost souls" in "Sicario" as well as nuanced, thought-provoking but also gut-wrenching treatments of key characters throughout his films... We'll see after we collectively gauge the reaction to "Messiah"...

@KaranCan-cc5zr 26 дней назад

@@PeloquinDavid I think Children of Dune gonna be TV series or smthing.

@CarlosGarcia-ze1mk 21 день назад

@@PeloquinDavid Tbh I don't see how he could adapt Leto II arc for a mainstream audience.

@nickcarroll8565 3 дня назад

@@CarlosGarcia-ze1mkdefinitely not God Emperor of Dune.

@grantwithers 25 дней назад

She's obviously both, that's literally how she was written on purpose. Leto II as well. Arguably Paul also, and many others in the stories.

@angellover02171 25 дней назад

Please don't give your fetus mind-bending substances

@regulus5279 27 дней назад

You make me sad as if she was a real person. That was an amazing, poignant video. Well done.

@ValaritasYT 27 дней назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@daniels7907 23 дня назад

Jessica was really to blame here. She should have never left Alia on Arrakis with Paul. Instead, she should have taken her to Caladan and helped her to control her Other Memory. Paul's imperial court just had too much intrigue and Alia felt too pressured to be able to handle it, especially after Paul walked into the desert. Her heavy use of the Spice to try to attain Kwisatz Haderach level prescience didn't help either. This wouldn't have been a problem if she had been given peace and training.

@ikram-258 23 дня назад

She should never have taken the water of life while pregnant, she knew the exact consequences of it and yet she chose to sacrifice her own daughter. And i personaly think she was also wrong for chosing to have a son (paul) instead of a girl as she was supposed to. Overall jessica was a selfish person

@daniels7907 22 дня назад

@@ikram-258 - It parallels the bad decisions that Paul also made. Jessica underwent the Spice Agony to ensure her and Paul's place among the Fremen by becoming their Reverend Mother. Just as Paul would repeat the act in order to become their Mahdi. All of this was to get revenge on the Emperor and the Landsraad. Alia was sacrificed on the altar of politics.

@rikk319 19 дней назад

@@ikram-258 Jessica had Paul out of love for Leto (giving him what he desired) not out of selfishness. I think she, too, desired revenge for what happened to the man she loved, though she wouldn't let herself say it out loud. When Paul showed his desire for revenge, Jessica did everything she could to help him attain it, so she could enjoy it vicariously through him, but after taking the Water of Life, both Paul and Jessica were no longer the people they were before.

@XGAMER-hs4fy 5 дней назад

The twins actually tried to to help her in the end Leto and ghanima both managed to attain control of their other lives in them and when they tried to help her the baron would not allow it it was only after she looked at her mom for help and her mom just being cold did she realize no one could help her even if she wanted to attain control it was to late she was to weak to gain any form of control and is why she threw herself out the window to die by her own hands ,she did not even scream imagine that . Leto looked as his grandmother lady Jessica and even told her “ we told you to take pity on her” as he looked at her with disappointment, lady Jessica just hid her face behind the price faradan in shame

@ikram-258 5 дней назад

@@rikk319 it's more complicated than that. Jessica also wanted to be the mother of the kwisatz haderach her ego was a part of it as much as her love for leto, not to mention that the duc could have had a son with someone else but yet she wanted to be the one the mother of the kwizat and of leto's son despite the consequences, for me that's selfishness(you are free to think otherwise).

@user-ms2qo1st4n 27 дней назад

best Alia video on youtube! Thank you for making this. (I never find such a video about Alia on YT)

@dishekimibetuldemir2222 13 дней назад

I felt the sadness throughout her journey while reading. Thank you for explaining it beautifully.

@buffalojoe78 12 дней назад

Imagine that your child is born with all the memories of their forebearers. Every plan, scheme, Gom Jabbar et al just present in their little mind from birth. All the memories of all previous Reverend Mothers before. It’s a wonder that Alia is coherent at all

@sid2112 5 дней назад

Damn good Dune video. I'm a bit of an amateur scholar of Dune (and other books) myself and I really liked how you put her together.

@Username4real 15 дней назад

I love your commentary! The way you commentate is so engaging!

@dilekbozkurt5584 27 дней назад

Really enjoying your videos. Thx ❤🎉

@zombieshoot4318 11 дней назад

She was a victim. The whole reason the Bene Gesserit hated abominations is because of what happened to her. Jessica was cruel for what she did and I've never really seen a satisfactory answer for it.

@maedre1759 28 дней назад

wake up babe mr valaritas dropped another bangerrrr!!

@rikk319 19 дней назад

The background song in your videos is tickling the edge of my memory...a haunting tune, but I can't place what game or soundtrack I remember it from.

@EUJokerBR 27 дней назад

Your videos a really well done and the narration is superb. ❤

@ValaritasYT 27 дней назад

Hey, thanks a lot!

@snowbarry4life 14 дней назад

What I don't get is Alia's exclusion in the films. I mean, she's a HUGE part of the first book! Starting from Part Two of Dune she's alive (4 years old, if I'm not mistaken, given that she's sixteen in Messiah).

@anastasia_852 25 дней назад

Honestly this is a pretty damn good video. Well done!

@wombraider7796 2 дня назад

great work!!!!

@judgedreddthelaw3418 27 дней назад

Exquisite video!

@ISmellMusky 26 дней назад

I thought only a male has access to the memories of every ancestor (quizats haderach). And females only the female acenstors. Technically Alia should not be having the memories of Baron Harkonnen, no?

@AndreFlickUS 26 дней назад

I also wonder this

@theflashgordon193 26 дней назад

Yeah I think this is because she is an abomination

@haihuynh8772 24 дня назад

Alia was preborn, and probably has similar genetics to that of Paul, which should give her powers of a Kwisatz Haderach.

@ISmellMusky 24 дня назад

@@haihuynh8772 hmm, not so sure. I understand, that she had endured difficult circumstances at birth and before birth, but if that would have been explicitly mentioned in the book, it would have been convincing :)

@ikram-258 23 дня назад

She is a preborn which is diffrent from your regular bene gesserit

@cloverazar5315 20 дней назад

This was a fascinating character study, well done. I’d totally forgotten how creepy Alia was in the 80s version, and how tragic she was in the miniseries

@molliethomas2585 27 дней назад

I'm really liking your videos

@brianbergin-ortega5549 22 дня назад

She’s a million percent a victim from birth she was dealt a bad hand

@mb5970 24 дня назад

Nice video !

@wedidntstartthefire1 12 дней назад

She's one of my favorite characters

@KaranCan-cc5zr 26 дней назад

Wow, nice one bro.

@ryankwon8785 23 дня назад

Alia is a victim. She loves her family but she is haunted by the legacy of the Benne Gesserit and the spirit of Vladimir Harkonnen

@knoxalike1 20 дней назад

thank you! very cool

@Alice-tn5xb 14 дней назад

Awesome vidéos. And why is your pseudonym Valaritas, like the word written on the door in Kingkiller ?!? :o

@ValaritasYT 14 дней назад

huge fan of Kingkiller ;)

@Alice-tn5xb 14 дней назад

@@ValaritasYT it's my favorite series :D

@user-zk1nr2jz5c 23 дня назад

Great job I was really disappointed Alia was missing from the films.

@jaminavestajugo3456 26 дней назад

Looking forward to learning why Jessica took Water of Life when she knew she was pregnant. Was there no possibility of waiting until Alia was born? I am aware of the general outlines of the plot but haven't read the books yet. They are on the list, though! Also I happen to rather like Daniela Amavia's performance in the miniseries.

@angellover02171 25 дней назад

I wonder if Jessica could have said something. In the books, there isn't much time for Jessica to get her sea legs before she is forced into becoming a Reverand Mother.

@rikk319 19 дней назад

@@angellover02171 It doesn't really matter what Jessica wanted, as she is just a written character. What matters is Frank Herbert chose her character do take those actions in furtherance of his novel's plot. She couldn't act any other way than how he wrote her. Lots of people in the novels are forced into action by other events; it's kind of what drives plots in good books.

@Rebander1549 19 дней назад

Alia was both victim and villian. Poor girl. It was nothing that she wanted but she couldn't escape. She, her mother the Lady Jessica, Chani and Ghanima were all victims of other people's greed. They were so strong and intelligent, but Frank Herbert doesn't fully develop them. They were all pivotal to Maud Dib's becoming the emperor.

@fanmichael9540 15 дней назад

I'm new to the book and just recently finished the first 3 of the whole series. My biggest question to Alia's demise was: why the hell she went mad all of a sudden in book 3? I saw no sign of her losing control to her inner selves or going insane in the first 2 books at all. I didn't even understand why Benes call her an abomination and fear it so much, at least I didn't see a clear and strong reason in the first 2 books.

@TheMarkmcr 15 дней назад

Because she has lost hope that her family would be there for her and was willingly surrendering to the voices as they were the only source of comfort possible

@ten5h1 21 день назад

I’m gonna say it. Jessica was the real villain in Dune. If she had JUST had the daughter she was supposed to have, all the stuff in the Dune series would have been avoided. Even in the new movies, she is a manipulative narcissist.

@rikk319 19 дней назад

She's a definite villain, but not a narcissist. She didn't start as a villain, and her journey into villainy is interesting. She loved Leto, and a narcissist can't truly love someone more than themselves. She was a lot more timid before the Atreides were wiped out, and I think she was driven by revenge just as much as Paul, and after drinking the Water of Life she knew how to gain revenge--raise Paul up to Emperor. Everyone else suffered for it, including Paul and Alia.

@jamesmurray8558 День назад

What was strange,how she was able to talk to her mother in the womb. She was doom to have the Baron ruin her.

@repps8839 23 дня назад

Any credits for the Artists you used? I'd like to check out their stuff.

@eyetrollin710 12 дней назад

As every photo is rolled out the credit is at the bottom and then it fades

@svenskhund3603 16 дней назад

She WAS a victim. Now that her entire personality has ben overwritten by centuries of memories from Reverend Mothers she is a villian.She perpetrated the holy war just as much as her mother did in this movie.

@DeanNatheos-eq3hl 16 дней назад

A sad tragedy poor Alia she just wanted love before she lost her mind and control.

@morgoth4962 27 дней назад

wow, I definitely should watch Children of Dune...

@PeloquinDavid 27 дней назад

Reading it (or listening to the audiobook) might be better, though the TV miniseries by that name from about 20 years ago is a pretty faithful adaptation of both "Dune Messiah" and "Children of Dune" (albeit with inevitably much lower production values than Villeneuve's two films, thus far...)

@noniekayokay3166 17 дней назад

She is my favorite character

@samanthab1923 16 дней назад

Why didn’t her mother tell the old witches no I can’t drink the water of life, I’m pregnant

@inoba5891 27 дней назад

What a video🎉🎉

@cheaplaffsarefree 16 дней назад

Tragic character. Used by others, including her own family. She didn't ask for or deserve what happened to her.

@cherielk1975 18 дней назад

The changes in the new Dune movie(s) I feel give more agency to Chani and Irulan I look forward to part 3

@FriendofSaintJoseph 19 дней назад

What is this music? Thank you!

@ValaritasYT 18 дней назад

Jon Sumner - Desert Winds

@wiinterflowers4277 2 дня назад

Alia's story broke my heart when I read the books and after seeing Part 2.. it made me hate Jessica twice as much! Also, Denis *BETTER* put Alia's legacy in the spotlight because he butchered it in Part 2!

@DropBear_42 20 дней назад

Idk how Lady Jessica can live with herself after all she's done. I guess she was another poor soul that needed to be sacrificed to achieve The Golden Path, but goddayum man lol. Imagine seeing your son turn from Paul into whatever the hell he was at the end, depressed as f***. Then everything that happened to Alia and Jessica watching her final moments - which I can only imagine being one of the most disturbing things someone can see - and then jumping out. Sheesh.

@sad-lb4vr 24 дня назад

Mr Valaritas, you will be huge one day!

@sahilhossian8212 20 дней назад

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@wlewisiii 22 дня назад

The real villain's name is Paul.

@BloodRaven175AC 20 дней назад

Yes but in my opinion the author doesnt do a great job portraying hin the way he intended to be . Maybe its because of the german translation i read idk.

@grallonsphere271 19 дней назад

Was it too late for Alia to try the hypno-trance that protected Ghanima from the horde? Perhaps she was too old by then.

@DoremiFasolatido1979 23 дня назад

All villains are victims anyway. There's no such thing as evil. The causes of evil are the same as your car dying on the road. It's always because individuals are damaged, or innately defective...or both. Evil is absolutely always the result of systems having failed for some reason, or having developed incorrectly. And emotion is always one of those flaws. More importantly, all the depictions of "cold logic" in all media are always anything BUT logical in any way. "Cold-blooded" doesn't even mean "unemotional" to begin with. Everything everyone believes is completely wrong.

@ladyethyme 7 дней назад

I honestly honestly don't understand why Jessica just couldn't have waited a couple of months to undercover transformation so she didn't screw up her kid

@roguephoenix 6 дней назад

this is no longer her fate in the movies as timeline has changed. the fat harkonen guy is dead and the emperor is no longer the emperor so by the time alia is born in the movies, paul will be the emperor. duncan is dead before she is born so she cannot marry him.

@TheEolian 27 дней назад

😢

@scottjacobson3016 22 дня назад

Come on She lost control and dear great granddaddy took over , more or less

@kelvinkaw5460 11 дней назад

She got harkonnen curse.

@CordsZ 21 день назад

Yes.

@peggyfulton1272 15 дней назад

If you have read the books….she is both.

@anamariecameron7874 12 дней назад

💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

@RichardLucas 16 дней назад

You can either have a scary villain or a sympathetic villain. People who liked Dune because its villains were obviously villains aren't going to like the sequel.

@icaropinto1334 22 дня назад

So why did Paul was called abomination if he drank that blue thing as an adult?

@rikk319 19 дней назад

Reverend Mother Mohiam called him that in the movie, but in the book it was Alia who was called that, as a child changed by the Water of Life in utero. In the movie she called Paul that out of spite because he was the Kwisatz Haderach but she couldn't control him.

@icaropinto1334 19 дней назад

@@rikk319 ohhhhh I see. Thx for the answer!

@regulus5279 26 дней назад

In part 2 why she's still in the womb tho?

@KaranCan-cc5zr 26 дней назад

Not a bad choice I guess...

@angellover02171 25 дней назад

Cowardice

@caronstout354 25 дней назад

DV chose to skip the 2-4 years between her birth and the final events on Arakis.

@abrahamissac5938 24 дня назад

Dennis’s adaptation could set things differently so it is questionable whether She shall fall the same fate as in the books.

@aivylotus4583 24 дня назад

Most probably to spare us from a CGI toddler or (technically too old) child actor. It's difficult to do that well. There are a lot of bad examples.

@johnnyflores5954 11 дней назад

Dam, Alia Atriedes, sounds like a real Greek tragedy.

@jameswillard-brown6697 24 дня назад

or neither.

@icecream9576 15 дней назад

she will be inthe third movie with duncan idaho double

@SimonTheExile 2 часа назад

Eugenics

@aprilmae274 26 дней назад

Not knowing who she is IS who she is. Did she commit suicide, or did she kill the ancestor who was taking her over? THAT is NOT suicide. None of us know who we are truly, but we can always know who we are not.

@hoganfan2006 25 дней назад

Glad we can all agree that those who are most vulnerable, are those in their own mother’s womb.

@user-wd2iy9bc7y 16 дней назад

I loved her, thought she was a bad ass!

@NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi 21 день назад

Both

@FJDH11 11 дней назад

Furiosa！

@joegroves2517 12 дней назад

Honestly I think you're more sympathetic to her than the author, and he framed it more as just a natural and inevitable end in a way that just didn't ring true to me at all. One of my biggest problems with the book tbh, which I think is the worst written of the first four that I've read. Maybe Herbert just has problems not overly focalising the narrative and judgments that derive from it on one or two characters though.