For anyone who may be interested there's some historical basis to this fantasy race. In the early '60's ( I think, maybe it was late '50's) Monza was used for a 'World GP' event between F1 cars & Indy cars using the infamous 10K layout with the super fast banking lapping in a counter clockwise direction. In wasn't a success and was considered a bit of a farce because the much more powerful American cars dominated at the super fast circuit. It would be amazing to see such an event staged at modern Monza in the present day, I think the European cars would get their vengeance........ :)
This is amongst the coolest things I have ever seen. It is so awsome seeing Mercedes and Ferrari go up against Chip Ganassi, Penske and Andretti Autosport 👍
Vasile This was the "circuit spec" IndyCars, so technically they are comparable, though the IndyCars are far more simpler, their price alone compared to F1 shows it.
He just said that they use a different chassis for oval. Both cars are designed for road courses. The difference is that IndyCar only has 1/100th the budget that F1 has. Cars have to be engineered more practically. F1 spends more on Engine R&D than entire IndyCar team budgets.
So, this is just me being honest after watching a couple of these videos... I love the concept, but the driving isn't very realistic (obviously they're AI so that's to be somewhat expected), and there seems to be an affinity toward the F1 cars over IndyCar due to the onboard shots. I'd like to see more shots from onboard the IndyCars since I love the sound of them just as much as the F1 cars. Great videos, great idea, and something most people fantasize about anyway lol
2018 f1 cars vs cart cars and 03/05 IndyCar car era with 2004 and 2001 F1 cars now that's a true race my friends but don't hate me no offence I might be wrong
This videoclip was made from a Vettel fan, or why did you let him lead the race in this distance?? XD I'm a Fernando Alonso fan, so i have to hate Vettel... :D
I'd like to see this same field and format running at Indianapolis (oval). My guess is that the Indy cars would pull away from the F1 cars, but of course the F1 cars would dominate the Indy road course. Be cool to see this at Daytona again too.
Phil Douglas UNLESS the f1 car brings an extremely low downforce setup (just like indy does), then the f1 would destroy the indy car. (Just for context, the f1 car has 300+ more hp than the indy just on the ice alone)
I'm not so sure it would be a runaway. F1 cars make a lot of power, but they also run higher downforce (and drag) setups for taking the tight corners of modern circuits. (Look at any Tilke circuit vs an older track like Mosport... the things are very angular and force the cars to slow in the corners) Most ovals have broad sweeping corners that allow lower downforce setups, and Indy cars have entirely different wings and setups specifically for ovals that are considerably lower downforce and drag. I don't think an F1 car could be trimmed to reduce drag enough to keep up with a current (2018) spec Indy car at Indianapolis, much less Daytona or Talladega, even with their higher power. But as much fun as it was to watch Sebastian and Kimi drive their Ferraris at Daytona , I'd love to see a real comparison, and throw in a NASCAR Cup car (without restrictor plate) and even Le Mans and IMSA cars just for fun. Any other suggestions for the mix?
Did Mercedes and Red Bull Suffer grid penalties during qualification because they are way bad in the middle of the pack. This would be an excellent race in real life. Especially on this track.
huge problem with this. The top speeds would not be anywhere near the same. indycars would be 20-30km/h slower then the Renault F1 powered cars let alone the Ferrari and Mercedes.
If 2021 regs for Indycar calls for 900 HP and F1 gets a "simpler" engine, then it would be a much straighter fight. But that's just my speculation. Also, hopefully that the Indy windscreen tests bear fruit and F1 admits that they're wrong and get rid of the Halo.
TheOz91 simpler dosen't mean less powerful though. The fia want to keep the same speed for 2021 regs . Anyways the main lap time difference is from the downforce and not the power . Don't expect the halo to go anywhere before 2021 , the fia have committed to the halo big time by mandating it on f2,fe etc .... It will take a lot more than more power for indycar to beat f1 given how big the gap between f1 and indycar is now and any way i don't think indycar wants to go up against f1 lap time wise . They have made it clear that they favour better racing over faster cars.
True, but if they get rid of the MGU-H and still keep the fuel flow regs, I don't expect the engine to produce more than 900-950 hp as the complexity stems a lot from the ERS. There is a movement to cut back a bit on the downforce for F1, and there is just now a new mandate on the 2019 front wing aero to give better overtakes, so we may see a reduction on the aero department for 2021. I will give them until 2021 to assess the halo's effectiveness in significantly preventing injury to the driver. If it is, then great, it should stay. But if it isn't, then why increase the weight of the cars?
TheOz91 they do want to keep the speed the same in 2021 though. More underbody downforce and less wing aero (like the 2018 indycar) would give them the same downforce/speed and at the same time improve overtaking. The 2019 tweaks do make the front wing simpler but also wider and the rear wing will be wider and deeper as well meaning more rear downforce. v
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to make the cars go slower. I do think that increasing underbody downforce means rewriting some regulations regarding the bottom of the car (since they've been wanting it to be flat since the 90s), but it's definitely not impossible. And if they we can increase underbody downforce and reduce vortex formation behind the car, we could see DRS go away as it's not needed.
TheOz91 It does increase safety. Look at the wreck at Valencia years ago. He was almost killed in practice because a spring went through his helmet. The hall would have prevented that. It would likely have prevented J. Wilson's death at Pocono (also in practice) if something similar was in place.
Incomparable. The new standardized aerokit for Indycar produces less downforce than last year whereas F1 cars only get more and more downforce. Well, until the FIA fucks shit up again in 2019😐
how's that? in corners the F1 cars are way much better than the Nascar cars. The order doesn't seems to me realistic. F1 cars are faster all around, due to much better corner taking , although then Nascar cars have good straits
Pffft, DTM murders GT3 cars. NASCAR has the horsepower, but they handle like a brick. While DTM is just short of being a GT1 car. High speed lightweight downforce monsters with family sedan badges stuck on.
Kenneth Killeen actually, the Indycar chassis are built in the US. Dallara has a facility in Indianapolis. The Chevy engines are UK made (since they're actually Ilmor) but the Honda engines are made in California. The ECU is McLarens and the tranny is Xtrac, both British.
Honda Performance Development actually flat out refuse to develop a hybrid engine for IndyCars, at least right now, since they cite the fact that hybrids are complex as hell and would just drive up costs astronomically. Things might change soon, but Art St Cyr sounded adamant. No word from Chevy, though.
The difference in budget sizes is massive, sure, the money x performance ratio might even favor the Indy car, but, I'd say even a backmarker car like a Sauber or Williams (Sad I know) would outperform its contemporary Indy Car.
