All My Favorite Games Are Pay To Win | Asmongold Reacts 

99% of singleplayer games have no microtransactions, and there is no pay to win in singleplayer games. You can work and play video games, that's what most people do

Cosmetics are the problem too. Why make a quality game when you can just slap skins into a shop, which is also a gateway to inject worse monetizing. The Helldiver 2's are extremely rare and I'm waiting for execs to force the devs to ruin that game as well.

You're spot on with this dude.

Just don't buy any micro transac- fuck that armor skin looks good maybe I should it's $2

​@@ionsevenhelldiver's 2 is already being ruined, but not by the devs 🤷🏾‍♂️

blah blah blah. sit down, pay, and play the game.

If those kids could read, they'd be VERY upset right now....

Exactly. There are a multitude of good games out there that aren't excessively monetized. Play those instead. Stop rewarding the bad guys.

Yep! Just impossible to get (almost) everyone to agree to not buy the damn game 😆

​@@Eaon69not if you have great tastes

Must supply yourself with liquids tho

It's not.

Don't worry they're working on it lmao

Graphic sux..:(

Sad 😿

* *2003:* _I used to go into a store to find a game,_ * *2023:* _Now I go into a game to find a store._

So poetic and so true

All video games will eventually become pay-to-win. It's too lucrative and game developers are getting greedy 🤑

sounds like going to vegas and playing slots

If you’re trying to quote him. That’s not what he said.

I think you don't get to complain about the state of democracy and policies if you don't bother voting. Similarly, I think you don't get to complain about capitalism and commercial greed or whatnot when you're not willing to vote with your wallet or your time. Guy in the video is quite right in his observations, overall. And, at the same time, he's wrong. Because he's unwilling to stop playing and cutting off what he disapproves of. In practice, he's indifferent so long as it's not in his face. Just like abstaining from voting. Blank votes are disapproval. Abstaining is indifference. De facto and de jure, it is, regardless of your reasons for it.

I never do that. If a game is free to play I might buy a thing or two to support it but that's it.

i play mmos but totally solo because i like the lenght of mmos and whenever i get asked for a dungeon i replay ''no thanks i prefer having fun'' which always puzzles them

Finally! Someone who agrees! I remember when I've used to play smash ultimate and become more and more competetive, I've noticed I have been turning toxic more and more as well as a result. And all around, I was not enjoying playing it. I was having fun less and less until I forgot why I was playing games in the first place. So, I gave myself a question to answer: "Why am I playing videogames in the first place?!" The answer was simple. "To have fun." and "To relax and enjoy myself." Not sweat my ass off for something no one cares about nor lifes are at stake. That is exactly why I dont play PVP anymore of ANY KIND, and just enjoy PVE casually and single player games by myself. The bad toxic competetive crowds are also bad to hang around with. You turn into one of them, which I've learned from experience.

Modern games are mostly either full competitive/tryhard/challenging or very cinematographic. Meaning it willl be full online, multiplayers with sweaty tryhards and toxicity or just boring AF and of course both full of micro transaction... and that's why indies or older games are better, because you dont have to deal with this bs.

@@kokocaptainqc same here, I love MMOs but play them solo because I don't have the time/energy to keep up with gear requirements for dungeons/raids. I loved back in the day in WoW just raiding a couple times a week and doing whatever else the rest of the time.

Same, I play only co-op pve games, single players and that's pretty much it.

Good point

isn't that the premise of free to play games? that they make more money off of the game costing less because people spend money on purchases within the game? the prices tied to skins and digital items in a free to play game are only dictated by what people are willing to pay for them

Better tech does mean that the bar is lower. Like with unreal it's pretty easy to make a game look good any good indie dev could couple that with fantastic gameplay and you have a good game. Same logic applies here. It's arguably if that will happen tho

​@@jacob-2271no.

I don't think him making that comment was about AAA companies. It was more a reflection of hobbyist developers being able to break into the scene. Sort of like how the original online games like Neverwinter Nights and Islands of Kesmai(prices based on baud rate per hour) gave rise to free MUDs

well yeah for you to like a game today you must have been able to play it sometime before today.

@@MrWilliGaming Well, yeah, when I say from the past, I don’t mean yesterday or a year or a few years back.

​@@7rob27All my favorite games are from the future. And when I say future, I don't mean tomorrow or a year or a few years from now.

Its makes sense, sadly. What game was better than Ultima Online or World of Warcraft? Open world, meaningful player interaction, customization, housing, meaningful guilds, useful professions, etc... Developers have failed to catch up with the classic games. Some others have exceled in specific areas, but as a whole, the classics are the best because developers of new games aren't even trying to make anything as good as the classics.

I think this is as much to do with the games today as it does with growing older, maturing, losing interest in things that once gave us pleasure (not just games) and the fondness for our childhood and the simple life we got to live. I don’t do multiplayer or fps games anymore, and they were always my favorite. But I still enjoy tons of single player games.

Sounds like someone who played Shinobi Striker and was upset that it's not a bad game, but ruined by greed. Or maybe it's the username.

I think also a lot of the reason we’ve fizzled out on those games is the complexity. Once you have a job & money to spend you don’t want to spend all yr free time & money on that

I think it's true that's why You need strong single player parts if You want to succeed. Main story in FFIVX and iron man in OSRS are good examples.

Yeah I mostly play older RPGs from PS3 and 360 era an so in

I agree - Playing MTG Arena felt like an abusive relationship - especially when they introduced 'Blackagorn' and 'Chinese Gandalf'. They expected me to pay lots of money for an IP they had no respect for themselves.

It was always a waste of time unfortunately. Not like the game was teaching you differential calculus.

@@ericv738 something being a waste of time or not is subjective.

​@@ericv738 Watching this video is just as much of a waste of time by that logic.

It is

@@ericv738 Having fun is not waste of time, imo having fun is the point of life, everything else are just necessities that enable having fun. Everybody is different and some people enjoy "work grinding" and that is fine. Ofcourse you should take care of responsibilities 1st, 'cause if you fail at that, then consequences probably won t be fun.

The people paying for the dumb shit are enabling the devs too, it’s a downward spiral.

Zoom zoom zoomers😂

People think about Us Vs Them when Time is the True Enemy of Us All.

Bro tell us you have the attention of a gold fish lol

Completely wrong

dont forget the games that have what you mentioned plus also a season pass you gotta pay extra for on top of what you are pointing out

It's almost like they are unaware of the current economy. Most people don't have money to burn on stupid things like this. Probably why most live service games die within the first year.

Vote with your wallet 😂

why is that sad? if it makes ‘em happy, who cares? you don’t need to play those games, and you don’t need any kind of brand loyalty. play games that you think are fun. give zero sh!ts about the rest. makes life a lot nicer when you aren’t worried about getting mad at your fun. there are thousands of games out there to play. f*ck so called “AAA” crap. and mmos…

@@mkv2718 I agree with your second paragraph, but it is still kinda sad knowing things could be better and younger people just can't see it because they simply don't know. Imagine having two options, a) getting punched in the gut and b) playing a sport you like. And you see people just going to option A because that's the new standard and all they know. Sure go pick A and if you're happy being punched why should people picking option B care. Still it's a little sad.

@@mkv2718 I care. Because *I* get no games anymore as every new game is designed for braindead consooomers.

@@araamahasla555 and we can replay the classics only so much before we burn out

Yup, paying money so you don't have to play the game you just bought :S This shit is insane

That was my first reaction the first time I saw premium "time savers" in a game. Like, why the heck would I pay MORE money to play LESS game? I don't spend more money to get less toppings on my burger, less features in my car, or less clothing in my closet. You apply this kind of pricing to any other industry, and its complete nonsense. So why is it apparently acceptable in video games? This is the developers literally telling you that their game is worthless. They are showing you that there is more value in not playing it, than there is in playing it. And at that point, why not just pay nothing, and not play it at all? That's maximum value for minimum cost.

Cosmetics are the problem too. They normalize monetizing and seem "innocent." Why make a quality game when you can just slap skins into a shop (usually price gouged and far better quality than what's in the game), which is also a gateway to inject worse monetizing. The Helldiver 2's are extremely rare and I'm waiting for execs to force the devs to ruin that game as well.

@@doomspud6302 they wouldn't do it if nobody bought that kinda stuff, blame it on comsumers. Why do people get scammed ?

Pretty good analogy tbh

Eggs more than doubled in price since 2019. Inflation calculations are completely skewed to make the government look better. They changed the math after the 70s inflation.

in my canadian town whenever theres a sale on butter, no matter how much it can be 25 cent less, people go crazy and call each other to warn the most people then 10 minutes into the sale its all gone...if you seen crazy videos about the boxing day sometimes well its the exact same and I DONT GET IT and think theyre all crazy...nobody that i asked could give me an answer either

Exactly. That site uses the official numbers which are designed to purposely lowball the estimate by not accounting for food or energy costs. Everyone complaining about 8% inflation or whatever is completely clueless; we were in solid double digits by any reasonable metric. If you have enough experience dealing with those kinds of fluctuations, you don't really even have to do the math. A year or so ago FELT like 15% inflation. You can tell the difference intuitively between 15% and 8% because it's twice as hard on you in every aspect.

other games are better if you arent broke

the moment you get money to play good games you will understand how bad was that endless and pointless grinding, how you could get more fun with less time spent (13hrs of fun in good single player game > everything you got in 1000hrs in Warframe)

@@itchiegames that does not justify the price for the other people to be not happy it is too far expensive. telling people they broke cause cant buy it does not fitted to your logic

The grind in Warframe is insane. Every single friend of mine that loved Warframe is no longer playing because of how ridiculous the grind is. If the drop percentages were increased and you didn't have to grind a million things it would be good, but nowadays it's way too much.

I loved warframe when I first played it. Then came updates changing the way things worked, and the realization that there was no reason to play beyond grinding for pointless shit. No one played PvP despite it being what I had the most fun with, everyone wanted to just fight countless waves of the same enemies forever. Just to access things that really made no difference to anything but the way in which you would grind. Its... just grinding to waste time. No sense of accomplishment or finality, no ending and no challenge beyond how spongey enemies are or how much damage they do. I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to play a game with no purpose. It's fun as fuck, but wears off easily.

well to be fair in WoW you need to Buy the Game, Buy the new Expansion, Pay a monthly Subscription, but than it also has a Battlepass, a way to buy ingame currency and a shop for Cosmetics, Mounts etc so its probably the worst example you could have chosen, but i get what your saying lol

You don't have friends that like what you do, but at least they're polite about it.

Yeah I always think it's weird how someone can drop hundreds on a F2P game but can't bother dropping some money on a paid game. In the end people just value what they like. Battlepasses are at least optional and usually just for skins while a sub completely gates you from playing the game.

Because it's a choice with the f2p game while wow and ff14 are subscriptions and you have to pay upfront to even play them

Bcoz you literally cant play without continuously paying for subscription. They would rather play f2p games and then spend money after some time knowing they enjoy the games, than to outright paying first without knowing whether they enjoy playing or not.

HE said... AI. Im a computer eng. you can now use co pilot to write code... they all use the same engines now with just different skins.. you can put a new gme out in like a month no problem so ya you can put a new game out monthly and make it P2W and suckers will spend.

@@tickertape78 no he said games will be cheaper to develop. sorry but i dont believe it's going to be that easy. if people flood the market with AI coded trash it will be the 1980s game market crash all over again.

@@BeachLookingGuy FR? All the MMO's and MMORPG and online are all same engine with different skins.. you can put a new game out in a week.. Look at ROK COC COD ROD evony.. Whiteout Survival... Was frozen City.. Now WOS made 1 bil... Look at last of rrafts and Arctic Wild.. exact!! Same with all the other "Games" there is nothing useful created.. Civ in 2025 is humanity's last go lmao. Now to go play mech domination or bugtopia or Ant's of one form or another...For the Horde!! I mean Swarm.

Well… my favors are Wow, Baldur’s Gate 3 and GOT( Ghost of Tsushima)

I had the same love with The Witcher 3. +700 hours in that game 😊 for only 20 euro ❤

whenever i played witcher 3 i literally felt like i was playing the peak of all time gaming and knew in that moment that it would only be downhill from there

None of the games that have been memorable to me in recent years have been multiplayer and have all been single player oddly enough. Things like god of war, the new resident evil remakes, the 1st last of us, baldurs gate, the witcher 3, seikiro, disco elysium, tales of Arise (I just like tales games in general, the last of a dying breed of good jrpg), and nier...were all single player experiences and were simply exquisite some of which even brought me to my knees crying (ie disco Elysium) - I feel these are some of the most talked about games as well of their eras...not the paid to win ones or the multiplayer ones. I don't get that type of emotion from multiplayer to be honest or rather its really rare (ex. some exceptions of course being honkai 3rd impact [the music in that game and some of the cinematics are chefs kiss] but the game play is kinda dog and dated, or ff14). But for the most part you don't see the same level of detail, polish and craftsmanship especially towards a great emotionally driven rollercoaster of a story. Single player seem more complete, focused on being inclusive in delivering a great experience for all that want play no matter their social status, and with skill being the only accurate measure to differentiate the good from the bad player as it should be. The online games now days while great in theory are too ripe for abuse and have been bastardized beyond recognition at this point. Too many unscrupulous actors and corporate greed has all but ensured their demise. I've played my far share of p2w games over the years and they all end the same. None of my favorite games are paid to win because I don't pay and I don't have fun not being competitive unless I continue to funnel money. Not my idea of good game design to be honest due to the continued investment of time and money. I prefer skill being the measure as it gives me something to work towards (with skill expression being one of the few measures that help sustain games and create communities around them like with many of the online globally competitive games like league of legends, etc) and be better at rather then p2w games which are only fun for a bit until you advance further and the difference between spenders become so ginormous that it is deemed impossible to compete. And at that point, the only thing you can do is join the alliance of a whale and depend on him for rewards and to pull you through events, in which case there is always a bigger and better whale once servers inevitably merge due to an ever dwindling playerbase. Its almost like you become a 3rd class citizen and are only there to contribute to the whales fun as you get farmed by them, regardless of their actual skill or knowledge of said game. But ya, for p2w you can have fun but me they are hardly really memorable and it is like a worn out gum that quickly loses its flavour as opposed the sustained flavor I get out of other games that put in the effort and prioritize customer satisfaction/value.

@@christopherdsuza7531 Yep, i dont understand how anyone can say that games aren't good anymore, or that they're all pay to win, when games have just been getting better and better imo. disco elysium is also one of my favorite games of all time, and sekiro. have you played outer wilds? along with disco elysium and sekiro, outer wilds is also one of my favorite games, if not my favorite game of all time, you gotta play it if you havent..

LOTRO has base game free +5 expasions free....that means a solid 350 hours...theres no better free model

I really feel like guild wars 2 has a great monetization model.

@@kbutta01 no it doesnt, its a cash shop with an optional game attached. which is why they need no sub and can only offer the base game. they make money hand over fist from the whales to support that idea. I see more videos talking about whatever new virtual tat you can get from their lootboxes than their expansions or content.

100%

nah deserved

As it should. Its a gacha game. It's a game that targets vulnerable losers with no life using generic waifu characters. A friend told me powercreep has never been alive since they released 2 of the most broken characters.

Prolly my fav gacha and hoyo game

​@@Nichole9201 which one

​@@Nichole9201better than a sweaty mmo player

You are a fxxking genius.

You really can't understand why someone who plays video games with the "being the best" goal in mind pays to be there? Keep in mind, having the most powerful character in a video game literally translates to nothing outside of the video game. Inside the video game however, you are the big dawg that nobody can stand up to. That's a good feeling period. The person this goal attracts has a very difficult time differentiating personal progress with social progress. To this person, you'd be doing yourself a disservice not taking every advantage. Everybody plays games for different reasons. You may sit down to play an MMO to build your character's power through work and skill. Somebody else may sit down to grief other players. This person sits down to stroke their ego.

If someone becomes a big dawg that nobody can stand up to. and then a big dawg that nobody can stand up to... I've seen this over and over again in KR games like NC soft's Lineage, Nexon's Maple Stroy, and etc mmorpgs. It is simply a business strategy that capitalizes on human psychology. They force us to compare and compete with each other, and that's how games make money. This method is not only used by Korean game companies, but also by KPOP IDOL entertainment companies. In order to go to a fan signing, the top N people in terms of album purchases are selected. Of course, you only need one album to listen to the music, but you are forced to buy multiple albums. It is said that 800 tons of albums are thrown away every year because they are useless.

@@mr.vindicator4697 yeah and it’s stupid. lol that’s my point. You didn’t have to write a novel. Paying to be the best is dumb. It defeats the point of gaming. Especially in mmos. MMOs are about the adventure.

@@ikiwheese I Guess you didn't understand what I was saying then. It's not dumb to them. It's dumb to not take the advantage. These people have little grasp on reality. I agree with you from a personal perspective. It's just not about me or you. It's about making money.

Rip EverQuest and RIP PlanetSide 2

Major companies like RU-vid have also stated that server cost is a major money sink and takes the most of the money. Either all the companies are in on it OR servers cost a lot.

well, times have changed. even an old horse like wow with its simple graphics has a cool 300 people working on it these days. also blizzard is a public company so profits must increase whether or not they actually release a good game.

Estimates range from $120,000 - $150,000 per day to keep a WOW server up and running. So a bit under $5,000,000 a month or so is the common inference. This was posted in January, 2014. Server expenses are high af that’s why many online services games right now are such a risky investment because you need a sizeable player base buying micro transactions and dlcs to keep it afloat then once that’s covered they can get into profits.

​@@answering248soooooo completey inflated just like op said There are/were private servers that hosted much much more than official wow Bandwidth is CHEAP and renting a server or hell building your own isn't expensive at all

@@Xenphos Of course they are in on it. And no, it is not a conspiracy, there is no collaboration going, they are simply in the same position so they resort to same tactics. Like, what did you expect RU-vid to say when it raises prices/ads more adds? Susan needs a new yacht? We need more DEI hires to feed to get free-pass from gov? Yeah, of course they claim that it is servers, magnetic storms from venus, etc.

Sure but those are not mmos

​@@greenfroggood2392the title is "all my favourite games are p2w", not "all my favourite MMOs are p2w"

​@@greenfroggood2392 the video isn't about mmos bud

@@Panteni87 The video is about mmos, who cares about the title... watch the video.

@@Walnutsofdoom watch the video before commenting.

You just said the exact same thing without realizing it...

If your game skills can buy you a house, sure.

This guy gets it.

inflation is simply the devaluing of currency.

Bring back subscription mmos and remove all the mtx garbage

A big problem is, what if you buy a game, and one of those things is added AFTER you bought it?

how tf are they going to feed developer then? with air?

C - You get to play one new game every 5-6 years now...

People are too willing to be tempted

they could just adjust the monthly sub fee in different countires based on there average income could they not??

@@michelsealy3782 how do you cover a case where someone "moves" to a different country to buy a year of subscription at half price

If something is just a matter of price, there is no satisfaction from achievement itself. If game is P2W, has bot problems, easily available currency etc. it immediately removes any interest I could have it in first place.

Global market combined is still bigger than US

problem for me is those games are too short...i need mmo lenght now or i burn out within 2 days

​@@kokocaptainqc get a job, it helps fill in the time so you can't spend 2 days straight playing a game.

You know that you can workout 3 times a week, work/study, meet friends/family in weekend and play after work and in rest free time in weekend? Can be healthy and good at the game. Only issue is if you have hobby to pursue, then you cannot be "hardcore". Game becomes your hobby but you become good at it and can compete. If someone never got interested in anything or need escapism, I think that's fair. Along the way, people can monetize their gameplay/expertise if game is popular.

@@lionart5230 Yeah that's casual - that's fine - that itself is healthy - nothing wrong with that. If you want to play games you buy a game and you can forget about it and play it when you have free time. F2P games TARGET causal markets and try to suck them into the hardcore market - being that if you don't want to spend money - you have to play the game in a hardcore manner - sometimes with extreme cases like "Oh an event is happening, better block out a time during the day(whether it's at work, or late at night after acceptable sleep times) or else I'll be kicked out of my social group in the game", "Always gotta do my dallies"- That or your spending money on RNG. and you know what happens to free to play games after the EoS - all that time and money - Gone.

@@lionart5230 To put a final thing to it - Hardcore gamers while spend probably every waking moment playing games - are a lot more stable then a F2P player, being that while you may think and talk about video games all the time as a hardcore player - your not running home or disappearing from work just to play a game for a half hour to an hour. That itself is when you know the game is controlling you. Hardcore gamers who buy games are really not controlled by a video game - they just play it too much and maybe tired at work or talk about it way too much.

@@fafnirchaos0711 I had one or two games that I saw this issue with. One was Hearthstone and ability to keep only 3 quests so F2P players had to do dailies. Second was Rise of Mythos/Kings and Legends where you got some bonus for first game of the day (along with some upgrades that you were waiting for 24h etc). To be honest never felt like I "have to" do it but if I played the game everyday, I did it all the time except for example vacation/travel where you disappear for 2 days - 2 weeks. I never had this urge to leave in specific time to play the game though. Seems weird. I am against every single daily, battle/season pass and other FOMO shit.

@@lionart5230 I played 3 games that had all of that stuff in it, and it was based upon the Meta - and the Meta made it so that if you win an event you get rewards based upon the rank you made it to - and FOMO is basically everything because the rewards for winning would make you even more powerful than anybody you ran into - and you will run into these whales in competitive, just to throw it in your face that you never spent money or did your heavy grind. I also played 1 MMO - one of the first ones - back in high school, spent my entire summer playing that grindfest, and trying to maximize the money i spent on the subscription - and i remember sitting down on the steps of my house 2 days before school started, and wondered where my summer went. From my experience within those games, and what I've actually seen what happens to people playing those games(one person playing the game in a hospital bed just to help out their guild make it to a high rank) pretty much sums up everything that needs to be said about F2P games. you buy a game - you have a complete experience - you can put it into your backlog and can make conscience discussions on whether or not you want to play that game casual or hardcore based upon your current situation - and the fact you can play it 10 years later without worrying about the developers EoSing the game because not enough whales are spending money on it.

Players agency is a thing. What's the scriptures you have no agency. Put microtransactions you do. If you stop paying the subscription, you cannot play. If you stop buying microtransactions, you can still play the game. It doesn't take much thought trying to figure out why people prefer microtransations over Subscriptions.

Most people with logical sense don't play those games either. Except me, as trash as Shinobi Striker is with hackers, sweaty gamers out that wazoo, and blatant p2w for better jutsus, I still play it and I hate myself for doing so, but damn man the game's fun when it's not raw dogging you with no spit or nothin. I just wish game companies that have actually fun games didn't try their damnedest to ruin it for money.

@@CookiePieMonster Havent opened up the game in years. I think I played with one of the boys when Healer 6 paths Naruto(S) dropped. Sad that game didnt hold big baller status

they use the korean model where you pay hourly up front with an extra surcharge every time you log in.

im seeing a future where you need to pay to generate the energy to launch the game

Do you forget that Elden Ring and BG3 exists?

I did the same thing. I'm in a 90's early 2000's pc time capsule.

I think games doing cosmetic-only mtx is fine. (if it has no gambling elements) Its just a different business model and it doesn't harm the player as it does not provide any advantage.

@@hypnogri5457 those that see a problem ther have just so much self restrain that if there is ANYTHING to buy they feel obligated to buy it even if they do so cursing and moaning....its just way stronger them them

i totally believe that you're only playing ps2 games, man. yup

It also means more development time allocated to store cosmetics in detriment of the gameplay.

Based AC/Miku enjoyer

Use adblock, problem solved

@@slizeres easier to complain and do nothing apparently

idk if I agree with that cause p2w games are even more incentivized to pad out the content. Just look at Genshin Impact's Dickens-level word count. You'd think they got paid by the word. But it's to increase the longevity of the game and keep you always thinking they'll make it better next patch.

@@raevenent751 during shadowbringers I asked my fc about speeding up walking and mount pace, I quit then and there coz literally every step is slowed to pad out the game.

no, not really.mmo players are like locusts you are never gonna have enough content to fill the months between payments for them unless you want to adopt a biweekly release schedule or something stupid like that. the thing you need to keep in mind is that with a sub you actually have to deliver quality content. the game has to be actually interesting or people are just gonna unsub. with whale economics you just need to cater to your most loyal idiots - much easier.

Eso releases new dungeons or areas every 3 months which come with optional sub or can be bought straight up. That option allows players to play no sub. More options for payment is always the better option for consumers. Neither wow or ff14 are that much greater than their competition to show any type of extra quality coming from sub fees. Like i said, in fact from a gameplay and movement perspective they are much worse.

@@monalisa-bs4zs the word is customer...consumer implies a lack of respect

If you are expecting wow 2 from aoc u will be disappointed, aoc it's L2+archeage systems Even so I expect the worst player base on that game, that devs won't be able to control

Age of Conan? been out since 2008

brother not only irons are minority of osrs but being able to literally buy BiS gear with your credit card is the definition of P2W. OSRS is even worse than Korean mmos

@@yrtert7138 any non iron somewhat serious player makes enough gold to buy that gear withour buying bonds(wow token thing for ppl who dont know) Yes casuals use it to even out the playing field but it doesnt make them good and bis gear is so expensive, im gonna guess the amount of people spending irl cash for full bis ingame gear or even half, is at most a few hundred people. Were talking thousands of euros, yo then use that at places that are still hard for them. Its not like wow or korean actual ingame shops, those are so much worse. We have bad value wow tokens any decent player doesnt spend money on cause they actually so the content the noobs buy the gear for I know what im talking about maxes 3 accs, soonish 4 (every mode, hc to go) Idk why you defend korean ingame psychologic shop bullshit vs this either way you just wrong glhf

@@yrtert7138 The BiS gear cost billions of GP(gold). A bond costs 8$(USD) which sells for about 13m now. Just to get a weapon like the scythe it would be 1.6B/13M= ~985$, for one item(that can be lost by being PKed while being skulled, for example). I think you get it that it is not the way to get it. For PVP you just need to get good, that way you get there faster, for PVMers it is more irrelevant to buy GP through bonds, as that's what they enjoy doing, while making consistent GP to keep going in case they lose an item.

also wows assets are incredibly cheap because WoW's graphics are while updated very similar to like 2008 WoW. It has to be VERY cheap to produce new content for wow compared to a new IP.