They should have done an episode where only the saucer section of the Enterprise D went back in time to Earth's past and someone sees it and that's where they get the idea for aliens who fly around in saucer-shaped ships
@@josephlatourette8329 it can, but in the same context as that guy did to his arm when it was trapped in that film about the real life event. Or like generations but with explosive bolts. Or like beyond, but smaller.
@@sadmagicalsenpai3728 Geordi: "Coolant leak! We've got a coolant leak! Everyone get out of here, now!" Billy Mays: "NOT SO FAST LAFORGE, JUST FLEX TAPE AND FORGET IT."
yes i agree that was sad and she had meny years of life left to her but i guess they wanted to introduce the Sovereign Class Enterprise E in First Contact but they did bring her back for the 2 part final "All Good Things" where she was a totaly bad ass Galaxy Class Dreadnougt
She should have been there till Nemesis, where she smashes her saucer section into Scimitar, thus ending her Starfleet service, since the "new" Sovereign-class ships would be in service by then. Then Enterprise-E comes in as Enterprise-D is retired. And a whole new series could have been, with the Enterprise-E....
I cried when the ship was destroyed. And I cried when she came back. “…. She got the right name. You treat her like a lady, she will always bring you home.”
@@NorthForkFisherman Best ending she could possibly have gotten. Restoration complete, and in a museum where she'll be looked after for decades to come alongside her prestigious older sisters, NX-01 and NCC-1701-A.
It's a shame they ruined everything with that silly STO mission disguised as a finale, and making that hideous garbage scow the Enterprise G. I mean really if they wanted to do the F dirty like that they could've just recommissioned the D. It's right there. But then it wouldn't be Picard if it didn't maliciously destroy the nostalgia it pulls out.
I've always wondered why (aside from aesthetical and financial reasons, production-wise) Picard so rarely ordered the saucer to detach before dangerous encounters in order to safeguard the hundreds of civilians living aboard the vessel. They had a full complement of civilians exposed to mortal danger far, far too often...
I think that might have been the original plan for the show , but the drive section just didn't look that cool without the saucer . so they decided not to do it that often
well due to the writing apparently it was never that seriously needed. like it just surprisingly was not as practical as one might think. as for your comment about civllians being exposed to mortal danger far to often. i wont lie but i can think of not nearly as many as you may think where that was really the case. a good example is descent part 2 where i do think they could have maybe at least evcauated the civilans to the scauer but maybe they needed the bridge bridge for beleverlys beam up plan to work lol. honestly idk i mean its clearly not like they forgot it existed but i mean asking why they did not use the scauer secection to detach more often is like asking why apparently you can beam through the shields sometimes and other times not.
@@thewewguy8t88 Sisko brought his wife and kid and a bunch of civilians to the battle at wolf 359 . I never understood why he couldn't drop them off somewhere before the battle . if there were no planets nearby just leave them out in space in the escape pods before going into the battle
Always thought it was nuts not to install a small minimum warp 3 wap drive somehow into the saucer section. If your in the middle of nowhere and communications go out and the star drive got destroyed about 2 or 3 light years away as it flew back to fight an enemy. You might as well become a generational saucer section as it takes you maybe 50 to 100 years to fky to the next communications relay or class M Planet.
In the 2 part Finale of Star Trek Continues, the old Girl 1701 does a Saucer Separation and rejoin. Unfortunately, the rejoin doesn't happen on screen. But the separation sequence is still awesome! If you've not seen Star Trek Continues, you're really missing out! Oh!! Scotty is played by CHRIS DOOHAN! You heard that right! And the Female Romulan Commander is played by Joanne Linville's look alike daughter, Amy Rydell! Joanne Linville's passing is the most recent from the Trek universe😿
Interesting fact. The Sovereign-Class was designed with Saucer Separation in mind. We never got to see it sadly. There's also a ship in Star Trek Online, the Odyssey-Class that can also Saucer Separate. It was designed by a fan for a contest where fans got to design the Enterprise-F.
But these talentless at Cryptic hacks couldn't even evolve that design properly. Most of the variations of the Oddyssey just suck and they ruined the Enterprise F.
To be honest, I've never been a fan of that class of ship having seperation abilities. I think that part of it is that it feels not necessary. The main issue, however, is what I would consider a design flaw. The drive section doesn't have impulse engines. If that ship class seperates, the drive section would be stuck with manuvering thrusters or would only be able to go to warp. Not the best idea in my opinion.
Even the 'original' TOS Enterprise had saucer separation. Whilst it was never seen, on screen, Kirk mentions it in the episode 'The Apple': "Tie every ounce of power the ship has into the impulse engines. Discard the warp drive nacelles if you have to, and crack out of there with the main section, but get that ship out of there!" Although it'd be a permanent thing; not able to reattach, once done. So it seems plausible that saucer separation is a feature built in to most starships; particularly ones with the standard saucer + engineering hull sections. May be a bit pointless for ships such as the Miranda class. But they, too, may still be able to jettison the nacelles, if required.
well If they did the only fact was like in Star Trek Continues the Sovreign-Class Star Drive with be doing the same thing as the Connie's Secondary Hull would and that is relying on thrusters were as the Sovreign Class would have the Impulse Engines to use.
It looks cool and everything, but from an engineering standpoint it would be really challenging (and expensive) to design such a ship, with separate power systems, two main computers, separate propulsion etc. Also there would be two "decks" that aren't useable since you basically have to travel through the hull to get to the other section.
But also very useful as we've seen the two halves operate effectively in combat and as a life raft. They effectively created two ships and combined them. I only wish they did it more like in the 1st season episode when LaForge was in command. It makes sense to leave the civilians on the saucer and take the star drive section into combat or high risk situations.
@SiXiam no. The saucer section does all the science and medical work so it needs all that power. When Starfleet designed saucer separation it they knew they could fix Prime Directive violations as they arose.
You know it's crazy that we only got to see the saucer separation 4 times throughout Star Trek the Next Generation the first time was in the 2 part pilot episode 'Encounter at Farpoint' then in 'Arsenal of Freedom' then in the 2 part episode 'The Best of Both Worlds' and sadly the last time was in Star Trek Generations as the final voyage of the Galaxy Class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D and as Riker said 'She went before her time' and sadly that was true as the life expectancy of the Galaxy Class was 100 years and the Enterprise D was in service for only 8 years who followed the destruction of her sister ship the U.S.S. Yamato from the season 2 episode 'Contagion' where that ship was lost with all hands.
Granted, even by the time of Generations (stardate 48632.4), there was already some small rumblings about a little thing called the Dominion, with which the subsequent war would basically spell the end of the Galaxy class as a common ship. If it wasn't destroyed here, it would probably ended up in the fleet museum not long after.
@@tompinkerton8099Yeah there were a lot of Galaxy Class Starships involved in the Dominion War but remember in that episode where they fought against the combined fleet of the Dominion,Cardassians and the Breen where the Breen ships fired an energy dampening weapon at the combined fleets of the Federation,Klingons and Romulans and all those ships lost power and the crews were forced to abandon ship and as we saw the destruction of the Defiant we also saw the wrecked ships of those 3 major powers and what about the Battle of Wolf 359 I saw this video of the ship classes involved in that battle what if there was another Galaxy Class Starship that was there during the fight and it sadly suffered the same fate.
Enterprise-D has a lot of weapons we never got to see, sadly. Of the thirteen phaser banks, it only ever fired from six of them: mostly from the two on the saucer, once from the stardrive head, once from the stardrive ventral phaser, and finally a blink-and-you’ll-miss it shot from the nacelle struts. (There was also that one time they shot phasers from a torpedo tube, but that was an effects mistake that got corrected on the blu-ray release.)
Personally, I would have never destroyed the Enterprise D, and used the ship in all the TNG movies. Though maybe we could see the saucer crash-landing, before fixing the timeline. 🖖😀
Oliver Franke there is a good alternate ending vid of generations where Picard uses the nexus to go back to when soran is in ten forward and he arrests him 😂
Enterprise, Enterprise A, Enterprise B, and the Enterprise C looking at the Enterprise D. "So what can you do??" Enterprise D: 0:15 "I can do this!" :D
@@PantherAusfD1944 Most vessels using a saucer/stardrive configuration had the ability to saucer separate. The Galaxy Class was unique because it could reattach without the need of a starbase, as the original 1701 and 1701-A would require.
**That time Data took over the Enterprise** Picard: Lieutenant LaForge, prepare for saucer separation. Wesley: Sir, we're at warp 9.3! Picard: Yes, Ensign. It went fine the first time we did it. Wesley: Oh. That was the Farpoint mission right? My mom and I weren't on board at the time so I guess that's why- Picard: Shut up, Wesley!
The first seperation, from Encounter at Farpoint is HILARIOUS....Data says it can ONLY BE DONE AT MAXIMUM WARP, AT EXTREME RISK....and it happens easily and flawlessly.
Only four times I remember it separating, all of them in this video. Farscape, Arsenal of Freedom, Best of both Worlds, and Generations. And besides Generations which was an emergency, all the other ones were early in the series. None later in the series. What a pity.
Spacedock actually covered this. I guess the saucer section has it's own systems to maintain the warp bubble to keep itself going and to drop out of warp. But it cannot achieve warp speed on it's own.
The TNG Tech manual states that the Saucer had warp maintainer systems. It could maintain a warp bubble for a short period of time before it collapsed. Basically enough to safely separate, and then slow down to sub-light speed after the drive section is clear. It cannot go to warp or maintain warp on it's own.
Such a weird concept to think a saucer separation would mean anything to the Borg who finished plowing through multiple classes/sizes of starships before
they knew that Picard/Locutus knew about the plan and that the only real threat was the drive section and therefore the cube ignored the saucer section , allowing it to get close . it then fired anti matter allowing a shuttle to sneak through the Borg shield to kidnap Locutus . the only real question is why did the Borg then leave instead of finishing off the Enterprise (or at least the drive section that didn't have Locutus onboard) or why not overwhelm their defenses to get Locutus back . they just left him there and then Data used him to hack them
@@MajorGrin the borg, at the time, simply had no capacity to give a damn. Locutus served his purpose, losing him at that stave was irrelevant. They went to gobble up earth, because thats what they came to do. That data would hack them literally never even crossed their mind. An unprecedented procedure only enabled by data and picard cooperating.
The two impulse engines on the aft side of the saucer, between where the saucer meets the stardrive. You can see them lit up red in the sep sequence in Generations.
Read the Novel Rogue Saucer its a story of the TNG Crews adventure of the Enterprise Saucer being damaged severely so to get to a Starbase Riker orders the crew to the Battlebridge after a while Picard and Data join them when they arrive an Admiral stationed there meets with the Male Senior Officers of the Enterprise The Admiral Orders them to join her on the mission of testing a new Saucer developed to protect the people on board and stay intact Riker gets chosen to command the saucer during the test flight the Saucer had no name just in Big Numbers 4401 lets say a mutiny happens during the adventure and it forces Picard to destroy that saucer with torpedos the mutiny happened after Saucer was separated so yes they can be changed
That last seperation at virdian three punches differently now with the final episode of picard. Instead of how I original saw it as the crew committing a desperate act of survival, its now more like the ship itself did everything in its power to save the crew, even after they lost total control, by sacreficing itself. the crash is actually a beautifully tragic and sorrowful scene, like when data dies in nemesis.
How silly is it that somebody would have to command the ship manually to re-attach? "Velocity to one half-meter per second." (Crash) "Dangit I should have done one quarter-meter per second."
to be fair it's only because Picard ordered him to do it manually , to test him or something . I guess becomes sometimes the computer breaks down and they need to know to do everything manually
@@MajorGrin also silly, if the computer breaks down all those touch screen interfaces would just freeze like on an Android Tablet, not recognize any inputs... press the hard reset button and wait for it to reboot, don't do it manually you insane people! ...and anyway, wouldn't manually mean using the Joystick from Insurrection? Now there is a picture to think about ;P
@@ZeroB4NG think about it as nowadays plane's autopilot. Planes can land automatically but pilots need to know how to land manually. Moreover, in the possible scenario autopilot fails it wouldn't mean the fly-by-wire system would malfunction.
@@ZeroB4NG every console probably has its own backup computer . but if the main computer breaks down the ship won't be able to perform complex operations automatically
Just noticed they forgot all the connection points on the star drive section that would have been extended at the time of separation in Generations. They are missing.
1:31 The name is painted on the saucer section inside the connection and not visible unless docking. So is that to make sure you don't get the wrong saucer in a fleet situation? "Cygnus bridge to Enterprise battle bridge--- What the hell are you guys doing?!?'
"velocity difference of 1/2 meter a second" is over 3 minutes to move 100 meters or 30 minutes to move a kilometer, or two kilometers in an hour (~1.8 mph). Such tension when you are only moving at walking speed.
in April of 2000 I did an alternate ending of the saucer landing in it Riker is Captain(played by me we used Voiceovers for the scene since we didnt have props like Hollywood) Riker climbs out of the Saucer and realizes hes the only one alive from the crash blood on his forehead he sees comedy props on the ground he picks them up and begins reading them outloud when the last joke was done Picard(he was on the Stargazer because Starfleet recommissioned it remember its alternate timeline) Picards voice cameover the combadge Captain Riker come in we detected the ship crashed on the planet below standby to be beamed up Riker replies Standing by he puts the props back down and touching his combadge he said One to beam up (since we didnt have props that was the cue for the stagehand to turn off the lights to be our transporter beam up) it was fun making it but it was hard getting the fake blood off after the show
I do think that It's Demise with separating One Last Time was Appropriate and Not just Blowing up with shuttles leaving or something Worse ! Just not Being Overrun by a Measly BoP facePalm
I always did like that shot in Arsenal of Freedom where the two halves of the Enterprise-D fly in formation, only for the Stardrive Section to peel away, and go off on it's own.
funny how Q was just thrown in at the last second to pad the episode with a B-plot, and then the actor basically went "screw that, i'm making it the A-plot"
If you notice from the little tiny explosions on the Stardrive's neck they were able to seperate so quickly in Generations because they blew up the little clamps that hold the ship together (that you see in close up in the series) rather than wait for them to disconnect properly since the ship was gonna explode anyway so they weren't going to reattach.
Too bad we only got to see it a handful of times. It should have been used at least once a season just for the epicness of it. The first separation and the Borg battle ones are so good !
The reason they stopped using it is that after season 3 they got a smaller, more detailed and easier to film shooting model (this was before CGI so Enterprise D was a physical prop) which didn't seperate like the original one did. When they pulled the original model out again for the Borg fight the prop crew almost broke it and swore never to use it again, until they had to for Generations because the newer model was too small to look good on a film screen.
If only they were able to install secondary phaser banks at the "top" of the engineering section. Maybe then... non-essential crew, families, and civilians could be kept safe during all combat situations but the unexpected ones and the Enterprise would not lose half its phaser banks from a saucer separation. Gives me an idea though. What if a Galaxy Class Starship had a saucer separation... but then the two halves of the ship were ironically and indefinitely lost to one another and unable to return to Starfleet, forcing both vessels to made due... the crew of the saucer section having to build their own warp engines and both crews having to construct new weapons. If not that, it could become a sort of experiment for Starfleet's starship designers.
Everyone loves when the Enterprise splits and hails the crew as geniuses when they used both sections to save Picard but when the Prometheus does it, there's nothing but criticism
They made the saucer section a life boat without even warp 1 to slowly get home. Civies on board are actually expendable. Let that sink in for a minute
*Star Trek Generations (1995)* Enterprise D saucer section crash made with physical models is literally a century ahead of the *Star Trek Beyond (2016)* Enterprise NCC-1701 saucer section crash in terms of visuals.
Little known fact Voyager was originally going to have saucer seperation but the idea was scraped during concept design of the ship but you can still see reminants of the design in way of engineering, propulsion ect seperated from the main living area by a "goose neck"
The fact that technology limited how regularly they could do saucer sep added to the impact when they did do it. When the ship separates you know shit has hit the fan.
Was that first separation at warp? I can understand the saucer remaining at warp whilst close to the rest of the ship as it would still be within the warp field, however, once far enough apart it would no longer be within the field. The saucer section doesn't have a warp drive and no longer being in the warp field means they couldn't maintain warp even if they had remaining enertia. Did they mention anything about this in the episode? It feels like the writers might not have thought this through, but given its the first episode, I guess the future episodes were the ones that didn't look back.
The saucer section has warp sustainer coils built into the impulse drive i.e. it's close to the fusion-powered warp drive. The saucer section's fusion-based impulse drives are active during saucer separation. Also refer to photon torpedoes also has warp sustainer engine. The Ross class's saucer section with ring warp coils and an anti-matter-based warp core.
That was the point. They had an additional seperation mode where the latches just blow off to get the Saucer off faster in situations like this where the Drive section is about to be destroyed anyway. That was actually supposed to be a close up shot of them getting destroyed but the "Battle head" filming model ie: the one shown at 0:09 which is just a giant version of the "neck" of the ship with the latches that retract out of it was in too bad a shape by the time Generations rolled around, since they only had used it the one time and it sat unused for 7 years.
It's always the same shot that ILM recorded at the beginning of the first season as stock footage. It is also a shame that there was no seperation in the later seasons. The whole concept wasnt well thought out. You can see that e.g. At Voyager much better, where it is that it can seperate in three parts and then attack with all three parts at the same time, that makes more sense, i.e. the separation with the Enterprise D. It is also a shame that the bridge was no longer used in the later seasons. This is mainly due to the fact that the battle bridge was later always redesigned and became the Alien Ship of the Week or the Alien Bridge of the week. you remember in which room Captain Picard landed as Borg on the Enterprise? This is the same room where Data created his daughter. And that was the battle bridge. It was simply redesigned and it was done so well that no one did even realize that it was the battle Bridge, but that it looked as if it was a completely new room.
It was planned to be a regular thing but the powers that be felt it slowed stories down to a crawl, If I were in the writers room I'd have episodes where the Saucer had separated before the episode even started, the idea being that The Enterprise was required to do so to either cover more ground during an exploration mission or have the civilians and Non-Essential Personnel sent to a starbase aboard the Saucer when the Enterprise has been ordered into a potentially dangerous situation.
@@DelcoRanz93 The main reason is that there were 3 filming models of the 1701-D, a two foot model (Used in Seasons 1 and 2), a 4 foot model (Used for the remainder of the series) and a 6 foot model and only the 6 foot model had the detachable saucer and was by all accounts, a royal pain to use and very costly to operate, which is why saucer separation did not happen every other week. Now in the days of CGI everything, you'd probably get that.
Saucer Sep... the name of Starfleet Academy's official mascot, he would just show up at the Parrises Squares tournament and drop a giant stuffed saucer section right onto the grid, then "pilot" himself away using the cardboard warp engines on his back. No one liked him
I have an idea to re-write Generations, though I’m sure someone has already thought of this and I don’t know. The star drive still explodes, but Data and Troi achieve standard orbit around the planet. Starfleet still has to come rescue them and because of damage the saucer took it’s decommissioned and put in a museum. The crew is then assigned to a Sovereign class ship named the E-E so that the flagship remains a top of the line ship (by happy coincidence). During a future feature film, the E-E could fly by the E-D saucer to please some fans. I think fans would be happier with this outcome and the executives still get their new ship.
What is the point of rewriting it? It's not like you can improve upon the original, and it wouldn't be canon in ST continuity, so it's not something the fans would ever accept.
Um...what? You can clearly see multiple phasers all over the Battle section and that it gains access to another one hidden when the ship is in it combined state.
Just think - if Q hadn't allowed Picard to see the future and therefore change events (in All Good Things), the Enterprise-D would have continued in service and would have a 3rd warp nacelle and funky phasers with Admiral Riker in command. True, Deanna would be dead, but I could live with that, if it meant having the Enterprise-D back.
