colin phang Everyone dies eventually on this show. Stabbed, beheaded, set on fire, or if one is lucky die of old age. One way or another, their time on Earth will eventually past, but rarely can a character die with true honor in this show
I've begun to respect lord Eddard Stark a lot after seeing this. He tarnished his reputation to keep his word and fulfill his sisters last wish. Makes me look at him in se1 and wonder what a great king he would have been.
@Var So obvious isn't it. It ned told it to cat then probably the secret isn't safe anymore and jon life would've been danger. Imagine someone mocking Ned for sleeping with whore in front of her and to defend her honourable husband she could've tell the truth by anger or emotion. Ned made a huge sacrifice by not telling the secret despite it lower his honour.
As if Eddard Stark couldn’t be more honourable, it turned out the one thing Ned did that was ‘dishonourable’ was possibly the most honourable thing he’s ever done. Such a great character.
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 That's why Howland Reed stayed so loyal to Ned I think, even after Neds death. Howland knew Ned would put even his own honor aside, to keep a promise.
@@Surprise_Inspection Howland Reed is also an honourable man because he kept that secret too, the fact that no one else ever found out says it all. I doubt Catelyn would have kept that secret her pride would habe eventually made her let it out, probably why Ned never told her in the first place her treatment of Jon strengthened the lie despite how spiteful she was.
Just think about the ridicule Ned faced. The scrutiny from his wife, the scrutiny from other lords. He was known to be the most noble and honorable and he took a knock on that because his sister had fallen in love and had a child with an enemy of his. And he kept a promise to his sister to raise that child in secret. Ned was the best character in that world and he raised his true heir in Jon. The true heir. Also damn Rhaegar being all obsessed with profecies and shit.
I'm not sure that a man takes such a knock to his reputation for siring bastards. Catelyn takes it in stride when she hears gossip that Ned sired a bastard. He was separated from her, men have needs, etc. What threw her for a loop was that Ned brought Jon to Winterfell to be raised beside his trueborn children, rather than "providing for" him by giving the mother some coin or income-generating property. Now, for a young noblewoman, an out-of-wedlock pregnancy is a lot more scandalous. That's why Hoster Tully gave Lysa tansy tea and married her off to an heirless older man who valued proof of fertility over virginity.
@@zurialcarey4767 ned don't trust anyone even his wife, becuse if the words about jon being a targaryen leaked out, jon will be put to the sword, even if he was lyanna's son robert without a doubt will execute him.
@@darienlaughlin6386 exactly. Also there’s a high chance Robert would’ve executed Ned and other Starks for keeping such a secret. Honestly it would’ve been a fuckfest, Ned made the right choice to keep it a secret knowing the fact that people would judge him for raising a “bastard son”.
Jon: Is my mother alive? (...) Does she care? Ned: Next time we see each other, we'll talk about your mother. I promise. Me: Lies down, tries not to cry, cries a lot. Robert: I'll kill every Targaryen I get my hands on. Ned: But you can't get your hands on this one, can you? Me: Curls up in a ball, cries even more.
She didn't deserve that anyways 🙄 after the way she treated Jon growing up and always acted holier than thou toward anyone and everyone was so aggravating in the books and show. Kinda poetic for her to die thinking all her kids were dead in my opinion.
the video is missing quite a few scenes. Like the one with Ned and Robert visiting Lyanna's grave in episode 1 or Dany, Barristan and Jorah talking about Rhaegar in Astapor in season 3.
i think it was kept in secret on purpose, to create hype about the L+R=J thesis etc. if they would have revealed to much too early it would have ruined it.
Kaljath Panthermage there is no heaven in GOT as Jon said when he was revived in season 6,but how could she ever knew about it? Feel sorry for her though
I never caught it either and its such a great line too, turning away Renly and declaring Stannis the one true king of Westeros before his death was the last thing Ned did by his honor, its funny to think Stannis knew Ned better then Robert did, Stannis knew Jon couldnt have been Ned's bastard.
Stannis knew Ned Stark was an honorable man and he's probably doubt about Jon is Ned's bastard. He's even made a promise to Jon that if he won over Bolton to take over Winterfell, he will name Jon Snow to be Jon Stark but well, you know the rest.
+gallas32 Although they were raised together, Robert missed a crucial and fundamental trait of his best friend and couldn't see that Ned's honor ran too deep to create a bastard. That's the irony of it, the fact that they were raised together and he still didn't put two and two together.
It's absolutely heart breaking and amazing how Ned Stark is willing to be belittle by his wife and fellow friends and peers, just to make sure Jon was safe and the secret was kept hidden. It's tragic how much he's willing to give up and his honor be spit all because he loves his sister and nephew. Good job, Ned. You will surely be missed.
Just shows that Ned truly is the most honorable man in the show! Let everyone question and spit on his honor when he's honored Lyannas promise for 17 years.
@@effygram8159 but not many people understand that though. The self always tries to prevail which is what makes the character of ned and what he did incredible.
the prequels tell story about the night king or the white walker and the firstmen as i know after read some article about that and the tittle of the show is bloodmoon
@@pembenciayap1404 The prequel almost nobody wants nor cares about... we want Robert's Rebellion and scenes with Rhaegar Targaryen, Jon Arryn, Eddard, Aerys, all that
I wonder if that's why he was so adament about not killing Dany. Sure she was a young girl, but if he could convince Robert to leave young Targaryens alone, then if Jon's lineage ever got out he could be spared, too.
David Anderson I think it also had something to do with what happened to Rhaegar’s other children. Ned was never ok with how brutally they were murdered, and he fought with Robert because he thought that the Mountain and the Lannister’s should’ve been punished for it before he ever knew Jon existed. While I definitely think his feelings about Jon influenced how he thought about Daenerys, I also think he just genuinely thought it was needlessly cruel to kill a girl on the other side of the world of the off chance that she might be a problem in the future.
Yep. I still get goosebumps every single time I watch that scene, no matter how many times I've seen it. I think it's the music. Ramin Djawadi did a brilliant job in Season 6. Best TV soundtrack of all time, in my opinion.
Gonzalo Flores why are you saying that like it’s a quote? Aerys and Rhaegar are dead by the time of the skirmish at the Tower of Joy and no one ever said that.
Love how everyone is all dewy eyed over brave and noble Rhaegar and his ''love-story'' with the beautiful Lyanna and no justice shit is ever done to Elia.
It was an arranged marriage between Rhaegar and Elia and we all know that love is not something you can force upon someone. I don't blame Rhaegar for not loving Elia, just like I don't blame Lyanna for not loving Robert. I would not want to be in an arranged marriage myself, so I'm not going to judge those characters. Elia and children had a good protection when Rhaegar left for the Trident, they were guarded by the walls of Red Keep and many guards. After Rhaegar's death they should have been sent to Dorne but the Mad King decided to keep them as hostages, so the Martells could not betray him. Some justice was done to them, when the man who ordered their deaths was killed (Tywin). Now we have to wait for the Mountain's death.
+dzidziolus Yes, and you don't blame him for humiliating her by behaving like a royal douche at the tourney. You don't blame him for thinking more about this newfound chick and fleeing with her than staying by his children at such a time. He was headstrong enough to flee with Lyanna and give a damn to the world...so why didn't he just do the same goddamn thing and refuse to marry Elia in the first place. I understand Lyanna was very young and gullible (not that I like her) and she didn't owe the family anything, but Rhaegar was a stunning specimen of a slimy silver hairball.
+Sritama Sen On re-reading my comment, he did ensure protection for the children and I suppose did what he could. But he's still a jerk. Far too obsessed with prophecies.
Sritama Sen How can you be a good husband when you're forced to marry someone you don't love? He fulfilled his duty as a husband, conceived an heir and made sure his family was safe. You can't expect more from a person who was forced to that marriage. And Elia probably knew that her spouse didn't love her, because you just know when you're in a loveless marriage. So I don't think she was surprised when Rhaegar didn't crown her at the Tourney at Harrenhal. You ask why didn't he refuse to marry Elia. We don't know that and can only guess. Maybe he thought that with time he'll eventually fall in with her? Or maybe he didn't believe in love until he met Lyanna? We need to wait for the books to get the answers, because I don't think the show will focus on those questions with only 13 episodes left.
Ikr Rhaegar is like omg there’s a hot woman gonna abandon my loyal wife who bore me children and humiliate her in front of everyone just so I can bang a hot girl
It's a gutwrenching scene. Ned looks so troubled, they never see each other again, Ned dies to protect his family, Jon gets absolutely fucked at the Wall. It's like a sad, sad joke.
I'm pleased that this story thread is providing a bit of perspective and a retort to the annoying burlington bar type fans where characters are either good or bad. R Baratheon was clearly an absolute cock and Ned Stark murdered his way around to protect poor RB's feelings.
My favourite part about all these clips is that when the three children, Jon, Sansa, and Bran are curious about Lyanna, they made the elders faces change expression and troubled because they knew that they couldn't tell them what happened. Jon Snow asking Ned Stark: 0:21 Sansa and Peter: 3:30 Bran and his Mentor: 4:42 Just incredible how they gave those little acting clues on that there was something so much more bigger between Rhaegar and Lyanna before we even get to the reveal of the truth.
Robert Baratheon also thought the same as the children that the story was he kidnapped her and raped her. Also I don't think that is a more kid friendly story than Lyanna and Rhaegar had an affair and went off and eloped together.
matt4787 It's not it was kid friendly, it's what justified the war, and personally what Robert Baratheon thought, it's this biased image of Rhaegar that Robert had that basically wrote how history went down, as they say history is written by the victors and Robert won.
It was a response from the now edited orginal post in this thread. Which suggested that the parents told this story as a more kid-friendly approach to the Stark children which I was saying it was clearly still not a kid friendly story to tell. Point being many of the adults legitamately believed that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna and raped her.
I have to say Robert Aramayo did a superb job for such a minor role. You can totally believe that this man will grow into the Ned Stark that we all know in season 1.
There’s such a sadness to Ned Stark in the books that the show with its limitations just couldn’t get across. In Ned’s chapters he’s haunted by the events of Robert’s Rebellion. He constantly hears Lyanna saying “Promise me, Ned.” He’s so melancholy. Every time he sees Jon mistreated, especially by Catelyn who’s much harsher to him in the books, you get this sense that Ned just wants to tell her the whole truth of it but is honor bound to keep the secret. Ned sees so much of his sister in Arya as well. He always thinks about Lyanna when he sees or talks to Arya. And the books have pointed out that Arya looks more like Jon Snow than her other siblings who all look more like the Tullys. But, because George is a genius, there’s more and more layers to Ned’s sadness. He feels out of place because a lord’s life was not meant for him but for his brother Brandon. He has major guilt that he’s the lord of Winterfell and is happily married to Catelyn because that’s the life Brandon was destined for. And then there’s the mystery surrounding his relationship with Lady Ashara Dayne, Ser Arthur Dayne’s sister and why she killed herself. You never see Ashara Dayne in Ned’s POVs. He doesn’t think about her at all. Not even once. Yet everybody else always puts him and her together. Everyone assumes she’s Jon’s mother. Did Ned love her? Did she kill herself because Ned told her that their love could not be? Ned doesn’t think about her but there’s something there. His thoughts are full of his promise to his sister. Even Brandon and his father barely come up. You feel like he repressed those memories. The show only gives you a fraction of this. Obviously we don’t have access to his thoughts in the show. But that’s always why the show falls short of the books.
Very much true. But as somebody who has never read the books, i must say, Sean Bean does convey the emotions and weight in each of his words. He looks done with all of this and almost tired in a way. His melancholy and sadness is conveyed well enough for a viewer to get a semblance of what it would feel like to be ned
What strikes me in the books is also that Ned doesnt think abt Rhaegar at all and when he does his thoughts are "he was too honorable to visit a brothel" Which makes me think Rhaegar did not kidnap and rape Lyanna. Although idk what the situation with Elia was, probably nothing good still.
Ned is my favorite character in the GoT. Not one of, but the most. I know he is not a good politician, but he’s a good brother, a good husband, and a good father. He burdened everything on his shoulders, and kept the promise to his sister for a one-life time. His love to his family truly moved me.
Not unlike one of the main characters in the prequel series. King Viserys I was duty bound and naive to the political schemes that went on under his nose, but the lengths he'd go for those he loved........
The scene with Stannis shows how much smarter he was than his brother Robert. Robert and Ned were best friends, they were basically brothers... And Robert simply accepted that Ned forgot his honor and fathered a bastard. Stannis knew that wasn't Ned's way. He knew there had to be more to the story. Ned and Stannis weren't best of buddies, but they were both men that prided themselves on their honor. As someone here said earlier, Robert and Ned may have been best friends, while Ned and Stannis weren't close at all, but Stannis seems to know Ned better than Robert did.
Rhaegar loved his unborn son so much he sent his best man who could've defended his life and probably singlehandedly win the war at the trident to protect his wife and unborn son....the feels...
While abandoning his actual wife and vulnerable children to the un-mercy of his deranged, murderous father as the war (that both the king and prince's actions have fanned the flames of) closes in on King's Landing. Such a sweet tale.
Idk if this is considered a direct reference to Lyanna but in the first episode, Ned told Jon that he may not have his name but he does have his blood. Many of us thought that he just meant that Jon is still his son despite being a bastard but it was a direct reference he was making to him being Lyanna's son.
The love he had for not only Lyanna, but to Jon as well. Stain his honor and reputation to raise his nephew with his children and call him son. Great character George created
Littlefinger knew it's written all over his face when Sansa says that Rhaegar, raped and killed her aunt, he wants to say something, but he knows he can't. He knew full well, he probably inferred it the moment he knew about Jon, though he and Catelyn supposedly hadn't spoken for years, (Yeah right, that woman was always a stone heart). Stannis was just as noble as Ned, and he knew about Roberts hatred for the Targaryens, so why voice his suspicions when his already furious brother could snap like a twig at the smallest thing.
The way everyone looks when they speak about rheagar and lyanna makes me think they all wonder the same thing, little fingers face when sansa said he took lyanna and raped her. or stannis when he said it wasn't neds way, makes me think a few knew but never had it confirmed nor did they say anything to others.
Now it makes sense when little finger implied, who will they follow? A bastard no one knows who his mother is?! Some how it seemed like little finger knows.
Definitely. Ned's honor and loyalty was famous throughout the seven kingdoms. I think Littlefinger and Stannis knew something was up, and one or both of them connected the dots on their own. Knowing Littlefinger, he *definitely* connected the dots. That wry smile he made in response to Sansa bitterly saying Rhaegar raped her aunt was like he was saying, "You think he raped her, huh. Idk about that." Meaning, Littlefinger either knew or strongly suspects whatever Rhaegar did was consensual.
I knew that Jon snow was Lyanna's son before starting Game of thrones, but when the baby's face cuts to Jon's, with the background music, it literally gave me chills
I always liked the fact that some people thought Need Stark cheating on his wife was incredibly suspect. "Not Ned Stark's way" as Stannis put it. Out of all the theories people could come up with, I bet not one involved his nephew being the true heir to the Targaryen blood line.
Oh, drop the pomp and circumstance. Blood doesn't mean anything. The important thing has always been Jon's good character and disposition...he would make a great ruler even if he came from some petty house.
For everyone wondering why Ned didn't just tell Catelyn the truth, let's think about it for a second. Catelyn was engaged to Ned's brother, who she cared for (possibly even loved). But when he heard about his sister being taken he rushed to King's Landing to save her. Only to be horrifically murdered along with his father. In order to preserve the alliance with the Tully's Ned married Catelyn instead. And only spent one night with her before heading out to war. Catelyn was worried for months if her son (Robb) would ever know his father, so when WOULD be a good time to say that the child he brought back was the child of the two people who started a war, got her betrothed killed, and never told anyone the truth in an attempt to stop said war. It's not like Ned and Catelyn were that close before he left for war, so would it be easier to tell her all that? Or that it was a bastard the he had with some prostitute. She probably would have hated Jon more if she DID know the truth.
i'm so happy I never read online theories and discussions and don't think too much about it, I was compeltely blown away by the reveal that Jon is a half Targaryen, I cried because the scene was so epic.
To keep him alive and safe from Robert. Though that purpose is technically dead along with Robert's death. But Ned dies soon after and keeps the secret to his death, so...
Basic human decency by Ned, and love for his sister. Not everything has to have a fairytale narrative. Sometimes reality intervenes with people being murdered, overthrowing their ruling dynasties, and/or changing their system of governance. You save the child because it's the right thing to do, not because he might be king someday and it'd make a nice narrative.
There's also a short scene s01e10 where Osha & Bran go into the crypts to find RIckon, & Bran summarizes the deaths of Brandon Stark & Lyanna, not as important.
That is true. It is just that when I made this I at first tried to find all the scenes that would explain the relation ship between Rhaegar and Lyanna. Looking back I should've included the scene since it is very relevant.
If you pay attention to the scene when Littlefinger told the story about the tournament at harrenhal, you can easily find out that it was when everything begins. After the tournament Reaghar took Lyana and Roberth Beratheon got mad and therefore started his own Rebellion which was supported by most of the great houses of the Seven Kingdoms.
Calvin Coates it’s good to know new things. Thanks bro, and I know that the kidnapping thing was just a key aspect as you said it. But I didn’t know that most houses got mad after the madking burned Ned’s dad and brother alive. So thanks
"A tall lord with copper skin and silver-gold hair stood beneath the banner of a fiery stallion, a burning city behind him. Rubies flew like drops of blood from the chest of a dying prince, and he sank to his knees in the water and with his last breath murmured a woman’s name...." *
@@candela2004 when sansa said "he kidnapped her and raped her" lord baelish looks at her and smiles at her in a way that he knew the truth. Rewatch the whole series many small instances like these can be found.
When baby Jon opens his eyes Ned see that they were brown like Lyanna's, not purple like Rhaegar's. To me it is like one of the things that made him love Jon so much.
Damn, that last scene was just beautifully done. The pacing, the writing, all just done right. I'm hoping for some more of that level of drama this season, or in the next, because I haven't seen anything yet.
Beautiful transition there. Bran: "Can a man be brave if he's afraid?" Ned: "That's the only time a man can be brave." My favorite Game of Thrones quote :)
seriously ned left to find his sister, comes back a year later, his sister is mysteriously dead and he comes back with a baby whose conception he never wants to talk about and that wasn't a red flag for anybody?!?
No one knew about the conception. I guess everyone thought Rhaegar just raped her for a year and murdered her before he had to leave for the battle of the trident. Still weird though that not one single person put one and one together.
According to the books, there's a tradition about not asking a lord probing questions about his bastards. It makes me thank that this isn't the first time a noble family covered up a scandalous pregnancy by having one of the sons claim the baby is their bastard.
Good video just A couple things I think you missed: Jorah, Barristan, and Dany talking about Rhaegar ("...Rhaegar fought nobly, and Rhaegar died"). Also, Bran in the crypts with Osha talking about the Kings of Winter, Rickard, Brandon, and Lyanna.
Yeah. I had a mishap with the Selmy clip. I inteded to include it but the clip got lost into the depths of my folder. As to the Bran clip I completely missed it.
Two scenes from the show I always point to are: 1 - Eddard saying to Ser Barristan "No man here would ever question your honor" 2 - Barristan responding to Dany asking if he knew her brother by saying Rhaegar was "The finest man I ever met" Goes against the idea that Rhaegar would kidnap and rape a woman
About the Tower of Joy fight scene... I'm curious to know why Dayne continued to fight against Ned once there's two of them left. He was just there to rescue his sister. Dayne could've just stopped and told Ned the truth. But then KG have their vows. And Ned was on the usurper's side who just killed the prince so that probably explains why.But still... I'm curious. I just love Ser Arthur Dayne so much for he's such a badass and honorable character. THE Sword of the Morning. He shouldn't have died! It sucks. It sucks that those two other KG (Hightower and Whent) died that easily. They weren't appointed as KG for no reason. And for them to die that easily in a fight? Well, anything could happen in fights so that probably explains why... But still... ugh! Their deaths were just necessary for the story. Even Dayne's, Jon Snow's real daddy's best friend, death was necessary. Damn! :(
You missed the first tomb visit, where Robert visits Lyanna's statue and talks about losing her, and then the conversation between Robert and Cersei where he talks about Lyanna being the only thing he ever wanted. I think they're kind of important because Robert's "love" of Lyanna was superficial and one-sided, and contributed to her eloping with Rhaegar. With the new revelations, this might be a good time to update the video anyway. :)
It's so sad that in the TV Show writers pay attention only fo Lyanna and Rhaegar, and most of viewers don't know who is Ashara Dayne or Joanna Lannister, also don't know much about Elia Martell.. I wanna to see them in the flashbacks(
We'd get more on them if they ever do a Roberts Rebellion. Which while seems unlikely cause of what GRRM has said it'll happen eventually and then we'll see more of the characters in that period
Prudhvi E Then ned may have dropped jon in starfall maybe they could raise him then send him to foster in winterfell. But they may want to paint his hair black to cover up silver hair.
NOPE! By Targaryen law (though not shown in the show), they were fine with taking multiple... WIVES. So there is still a chance they married. If they did, then that makes Jon a legitimate son.
Not exactly targaryen law, but valyrian marriages, which were not quite accepted in westeros (faith militant uprising). Jon's legitimacy is on a limbo, cause even if they married valyrian style, there are no witnesess
Lyanna fled with Rhaegar because she was pregnant and knew that it would shame her family and potentially start a war so she was pregnant when they fled! And then when the armies showed up and she heard the news the stress sent her into early child labor... Jon was born premature and thus is the reason she had fatal complications during child birth ... He is the King who was promised the King of WESTEROS and Esson and he is a Starg warg connected to the magic of Bran the builder and the first men, the King in the North, rider of both Fire and Ice dragons!!! He is the Song of Ice and Fire!!!! Long may he reign!!!!
The rebellion lasted for about a year and Lyanna gave birth to Jon after the end of the rebellion. So, she got pregnant during the rebellion, not before. :)
Alot of people refuse to believe that they where together. Robert will forever be mad of the fact that Lyanna didn't love him, and the fact that Rheagor spent over a year away from his wife and, childern, why would he it leave the tower to meet Robert on the battle field. Because he knew that his family/blood life was on the line, and sure enough Robert order his whole family dead, including the bady boy he had with his wife. Jon would had been as good as dead, Rheagor, Lyanna, and Ned knew that. Rheagor could had kilt her at any point, left her and been done with the whole thing, but that was so far out his character, Robert was the only person to ever say anything bad about him and those who have never known him would believe anything they hear like Sansa. They loved each other, maybe gotten married and had a baby. She didn't act like a person who was raped and forced to have a baby she didn't want People!!!!!! 😩😥
Something they show in the books and something I really really hope they show in the show, is a line that Lyanna says to Ned. And it refers to Robert. According to the books, Lyanna wasn't as thrilled about marrying Robert as Ned hoped. When he asks why, Lyanna says sadly, "Love is sweet, dearest Ned, but it cannot change a man's nature." Lyanna *knew* Robert wasn't going to be a good wife, and she definitely knew of Robert's reputation of sleeping around. She's young, and she's impetuous. While I suspect Rhaegar and Lyanna were a great love match (aka genuinely falling in love with each other), Rhaegar is also the quintessential prince of every noblewoman's dreams. I'm sure it was all too easy for Lyanna to fall for Rhaegar. I feel bad for Ned as well tbh. Having a friend that's an asshole is not easy. While I've never personally had to deal with such a struggle (thankfully, I hope I never do), I write a character in a collaborative story with a few friends. And in it, my character has a friend who is an absolute dick. It's a struggle. You want to help them out because they're your friend, but you still have to call them out on shitty things they do. But you don't want to lose their friendship. It's a lot more difficult than it appears to be. I'm gunning super hard for Bran to get more flashbacks about Rhaegar and Lyanna. The moment I find out if they're casting Rhaegar, I'm going to cheer.
I'd say it's pretty damn likely that she was complicit in their running away, from what we know of Liana, Robert, and Rheagar. She did not want to marry Robert, who already had his first bastard or two by then.
Chris Lucas Agreed. I'm of the belief that Lyanna reciprocated Rhaegar's affections, but she wished things could have gone differently. I only theorize this because the Starks have a long history of being *very* close to their family. I can't imagine Lyanna willingly wanting to put her family through such trauma. Something else definitely had to have been going on to compel Lyanna to go off with Rhaegar without a word.
What if Robert knew all along that Lyanna chose Rhaegar but still lie about she being kidnapped to rally Northern Houses to his rebellion. It would makes more sense to the fact that Lyanna could simply sent an raven saying she wasn't kidnapped, avoid her brother and father from being killed
