All the drama about Yuna's over-sexualization 

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The day you'll let Yuna be whoever she wants to be without policing her or shaming her is the day we'll have peace. Also I want to point out that clothes are not sexual. They're not an invitation to think sexually of someone. If you see a 10 year old wearing shorts and think it's innapropriate then you're the problem. Same goes for a teenager wearing crop tops and shorts. You're the problem not the clothes or what the teens are wearing.

For Kpop fandoms in general: There's a difference between concern and policing an idol. That's how most of us who grew up with helicopter parenting feel.

Adult Ceremony is just... yikes😬 The fact people let that happen is bad enough.

I've been a Yuna stan for a while now and you people don't understand how much damage the so called "protective" fans are doing to her. Yuna is one of the most confident and self loving idol I've seen in a while in kpop. She knows who she is, she loves herself, she's not insecure and stuff and you can tell how comfortable she is in front of cameras, on stage and everything. She was really born to be on stage. Itzy call her their confidence for a reason. And she's also really into fashion and glamorous, she loves being pretty and looking good and performing well. So many people keep telling her in comments in her vlives that they don't want her to grow up and be an adult and they want her to be cutesy and still be the cute baby maknae. Do you know what this does for her? I have never seen her be this insecure as she has been lately especially after she turned 18. She really doesn't know what to do cuz she wants to act however she wants but people want her to be innocent and act like a baby You people need to leave her alone. And as for the black dress it's so ridiculous. It's literally clothes and every teenager wears this type of clothes. And it's clear that she loves that clothes

I actually really agree with this take , a good middle toned down opinion is what we needed someone to put out

The biggest problem is that these idols don't even know the company is sexualizing them. In Stellar's post-disband interview, one of the members said she wasn't aware of how sexual some of the outfits or scenes were until they were released. By then, the damage was already done. In ITZY's case, blatant sexualization is covered under the guise of 'girl crush". Yuna might not be aware she comes off as sexual.

And how about Niki from enhyphen he debut when he was like 14-15 and Have you look at enhyphen concept.niki is also oversexualized. Idk why hybe let him debut at such young age because I have seen how jungkook said He sometimes miss his teenage years and he didn't get much time to enjoy it because he was invested in the group.

I didn’t realize Adult Ceremony was made under JYP. That explains a lot.

The companies know exactly what they're doing. Just because it may seem more "subtle" than with Suzy or Tzuyu in the past doesn't make it 100% okay in my opinion. I find it unsettling how the stylist - or whoever makes these choices in the company, they're ADULTS - dresses an underaged idol like that. That's the difference between "normal" teens and teen idols, normal teens always choose themselves what they want to wear and then go and hang out with their friends, see a movie and stuff. While teen idols have to wear whatever they are given + they have to perform in these outfits while being recorded from every single angle at all times and getting aired infront of millions. So I don't think that's really comparable since a lot of people love to use this example "other teens dress like that as well". Btw I'm not talking about the normal shorts and crop tops she often wears but the outfits that were only bustiers, corsets, had cleavage or were the shortest, tightest bodysuits that really didn't look like the only minor of the group needed to wear it. Also young idols and also rookies don't have a say in what they wear. Since they're pretty young or new in the game and don't want to be labelled as "hard to work with" or "picky". So even if Yuna was uncomfortable at some point, she most likely wouldn't have voiced it out loud. That's just a senior/eldery respect thing of their culture that we may not get. I suggest you all to check out soobeanie, she used to be a kpop idol and talks a lot about this stuff and how the industry actually works. Btw Yuna seemed to be super professional ever since she debuted with only 15 and as harsh as it sounds but it's her job so she's maybe trying to not show that she's uncomfortable with some choices. For example, in one of their videos (I see Itzy Ep. 22) the camera was on Yeji and Ryujin talking, Yuna appeared in the background grabbing her chest, trying to adjust her bralette top not looking to happy - until she noticed that she got in the frame and recorded as well and then suddenly started smiling and waving happily at the camera. Just a thought, we don't know anything and maybe she is totally okay with most things. I just don't trust most companies and especially not JYPE with their messed up history with teen idols, I think so called "fans" AND the companies are at fault. It's true, people probably will always behave gross but you could at least try to protect your young idols and not feed into this problem and make profit of it like most agencies do - but I guess that's what sells and counts in an industry. I've seen quite a lot (especially older) kpop fans saying they don't want to stan Itzy because of how Yuna gets managed and portrayed and I honestly can understand that. Omg sorry this turned out to be a whole essay lmao I just wanted to share my overall thoughts.

i really like the way that you cover both sides of an argument and then give your perspective! the thing i find most problematic about yuna's image (her image, not yuna as an actual person) is the way that she is somehow presented as sexy but childlike. like in the loco mv, she was wearing this big frilly (and quite short) dress and posing in front of a teddy bear. there's something really disconcerting about that for me. anyway, i loved the video, and thank you for making it! :)

Honestly, the overlying issue might be that minors shouldn’t debut at all. Sure, teens should be allowed to wear revealing clothes if they want but someone else should not be making money off of it. If adults are the ones picking revealing outfits for minors, then that’s where it’s weird. I know these kids truly dream being an idol, but I wish they were gatekept out of the industry. I never understood the praise for spending their childhood as a trainee for a full blown career that only lasts seven years, when I don’t think they should have been there in the first place. No one should really have to deal with the over sexualization, strict diets, the public scrutiny, but you can’t really stop adults from joining the industry. Not debuting kids would be the safest solution but minor idols are too profitable for that to be plausible. So maybe the most respectful thing the (adult) audience can do is not have opinions on minors unless they’re in danger or act problematic. Thirteen year fans get a lot of flack for thirsting over idols, and while it’s uncomfortable, I can imagine they would act similarly with boys in their school. It would be more of red flag for adults to interact with teens on their Instagram unless they’re family. Minor idols might have to be left to the minor fans, and adults shouldn’t be so insistent on what does or doesn’t make the idols uncomfortable.

I agree with all but one point you made. I do think there’s a difference between her wearing a crop top and short skirt herself vs the stylist giving her the same outfit because one is off stage while the latter is on stage. Imagine yourself (I think you’re an adult) wearing a skirt and crop top with a cutout slightly below your collarbones (like the white one she was wearing) and walking outside. This is totally fine right? Now imagine yourself being on stage where there’s an audience lower than you and all of them are recording you from below while you’re wearing the same outfit. Isn’t that an entire different story not to mention that shorts and skirts are shorter that the safety shorts and even those do expose idols' cheeks. So yeah the "she wears the same things when she’s only walking on the street so it’s totally fine for her to wear the same things while dancing above ppl who are filming her from below" doesn’t make sense to me there’re outfits that are perfect for one occasion but inappropriate for another and that’s how I see this situation. Look at Joy that you also mentioned she has no problem with mini skirts and short dresses bc she wears them on Instagram all the time but she has a problem when she’s wearing them on stage. And about Yuna not being visibly uncomfortable ever seen the video when JYP chewed ITZY out for being slightly off sync? Do you think he wouldn’t do that if he saw her making faces that show her feelings? We knew years later that Momo was scared that she’ll die bc of JYP so no I don’t trust that man and his company. And uncle again only bc an outfit is worn on the street it doesn’t mean it’s appropriate to be worn on stage. And while this video is about Yuna I do agree that other idols should have longer outfits especially shorts and skirts bc the safety shorts shouldn’t be seen all the damn time but especially minors. Opps story for the essay😱

this is going to be long but here are a few points - 11:02 these types of outfits are normal for teens, crop tops and shorts are normal. but what i personally find too much were the times that yuna as the only minor got the outfits that included cleavage and push up bras, often the shortest and tightest ones with weird cut outs and leather/latex material - while the other members haven't. like it's obviously not a coincidence that the youngest got to wear this stuff when all 4 other members were adults already. sorry but i don't think it's appropriate making a 15 year old performing in only a bralette on stage like in their icy era, leather bodysuits that barely go over the butt during itzy's concert in la and wannabe era, corsets while others get a normal tops etc. also it's important that you included differen cultures because that's also a point, the main backlash for her loco outfit first started in south korea where a lot of news articles wrote about it. just cause it's "normal" or "okay" in idk the us or somewhere in europe doesn't mean it's in south korea. while wearing short clothes is normal there, showing cleavage is still considered risky or not it even for adults. it made itzy's stylist and yuna look bad when it comes to their reputation (when their national popularity already is going down as well). btw same with tops that expose your whole back, yuna wore one outfit (for loco promotions as well) that has shown her whole back, itzy re-uses outfits and the next time we saw her in that outfit it suddenfly included another black shirt underneath it to cover up her back - so either the stylist reacted to all the backlash after all the time or yuna herself said she isn't comfortable, we'll never know. i found it interesting to mention though since they normally don't change anything on their outfits after situations like these. lastly - i feel conflicted about this whole discussion because multiple idols (like sunmi or hyuna just for example) themselves said that looking back on their earlier years in the industry they didn't know any better when they were teens or young adults. and that they only realized how wrong or inappropriate things were when they got in their 20's. because they got kinda manipulated into thinking that certain things are normal back when they were teens and more influenceable since they weren't fully developed yet. so we'll never know what yuna really thinks or how she feels about all this stuff and maybe she doesn't know better - this is not an accusation but a fact that teens and even young adults sometimes just aren't able to see things how they really are yet since they're not completey matured.

Just like Miley Cyrus once said, "You're thinking about it more than I did". If we are talking about oversexualization, then let's also talk about fans who ask idols to 'button up their shirt' on lives. She's living her life like any other 17yr old. And discovering her style and femininity at her own pace. Unfortunately, people cannot accept the fact that women would WANT to be sexual beings. That's often shamed and demonised. As if you are an intrinsically bad person for not wanting to be a child anymore.

Another person who we need to bring in question is sulli . She had grown in front of media and when her image start to change ( changes she herself was comfortable with) people aggressively hated on her . (I hate that I have to bring her in discussion when I myself hate on people to bring her up just for the sake of likes but there should be full on discussion how people's hatred towards her image and personal life caused such a tragedy)

Finally! I was really anticipating this video. I'm often confused on the whole oversexulization accusation. Yes, JYPE has a questionable history with minors, but that shouldn't be the only ground stand on. Alot of people love to Scream at the Outfits given to Yuna because they have short shorts, or generally short stuff, wich is wierd. With the concept Itzy is going for, teen crush, they are going to dress them like teens. And teens wear shorts stuff, that's what teens wear. It seems it's very common for teens to wear crop tops and shorts, as you said. On the other side she is public figure and should be careful, even tho it sucks she needs to look out. I feel right now Yuna is on the edge. She isn't oversexulized yet, but it could easily trip over if JYPE does one wrong move.

Me remembering how short the skirts of SNSD when they perform "Into the New World" considering how young Seohyun that time: 👁️👄👁️

The "speaking on the idol behalf" argument is the one that gets me the most, like you said is quite visible when an Idol is uncomfortable with their outfits, aka Irene in that one performance of red flavor were she kept pulling her dress down and her dance looked restrickted, or nayeon at one fan singn during dance the night away era were she kept hiding her clevege with her hair and gifts, so of course there are situations that the idols are uncomfortable with their outfits but fans sometimes take this to another level, the idol is there wearing a more risqué outfit and there is always one comment saying that certain idol looks uncomfortable, but when you go look it up the idol is acting normaly, and you can't even point that they look fine because the fans will come after you saying how they're just being professional and it's CLEAR that they are uncomfortable... like at this point you're just putting words in their mouth, momo from twice as an exemple, ever since I can't stop me she's been using this kind of """leotard""" is a little longer than a leotard but I think that's the concept the stylist was going for, in ALL the stages Momo looked fine but a lot of fans started calling out their stylists for giving her "uncomfortable outfits" and that she's just keeping the façade because she's really professional. Or, still with twice, their latest comeback have a part in the choreography were they kind of shake their lower body, it looks like they have mini eartgquackes under each member, and I saw a lot of fans saying that the move was ackward and the girls were clearly uncomfortable doing it, and at this point I'm like... hun maybe you are projecting your own dislike with the certain move or outfit into the idols, because they do not look uncomfortable there...

Ooof the discussions on this are just never ending. Free advice: please listen to "Heaven's cloud " by SVT and relax ffs

Egu, if possible, can you make a video of LGBTQ+ fanservice? Here my thoughts on it. I often feel that wow look __ idol is so attractive of my same gender. But when a certain individual is uncomfortable doing it, is it still okay? For example, sua and jiu from dreamcatcher wore revealing clothes, okay, but people didn't care, why? Cause the other girl members were touching their bare back and calling them 'gay'. Is it really okay if a person comfortability is questioned? For example, jeongyeon, didn't wanna have short hair but she had to wear it and act boyish as her role was the girl crush. But when she embraced her real style, people bashed her saying she was fake or she wasn't attractive? Moonbyul didn't wanted to be called 'oppa' or 'daddy' but she was still called and shipped with solar? She prefers comfortable clothes that doesn't reveal her skin, but to determine she was gay? I don't think so. Also for example,when Sana is being affectionate to her members like hugging and kissing them, is this real proof of her being gay? No she is just being Sana, she isn't doing fanservice. Is gay fanservice really needed for every group? For example, Lisa and Jennie are very close with each other, but they do questionable things on stage to appear gay or to tease each other? Loona ultimately was known, for their ships. Some groups are known just for being the 'gay group'. Also some idols had to attempt to kiss each other for fanservice? Is this okay or if it isn't? Also in that one interview of blackpink, Lisa did touch Jennie very much or is it just fanservice? Did they have to give such answers to prove they are gay? Also to label idols has ' homewreckers'just because they coming in your ship? Also why is Irene and selugi so awkward in monster behind the scenes like if they are uncomfortable with making such mvs like this, is it okay? Or those turquoise boys who were like tieing the thread around the other guy, are they comfortable with it? Does gay fanservice is needed for groups to be famous? If some group doesn't do it, they aren't famous?

ngl the powerpoint format makes me feel like im listening to a tedtalk :D

If someone sees miniskirts, crop tops or black leggings as something "sexual" tbh i think it's their problem. If you see a 16 year old wearing a miniskirt or a tennis skirt and the first adjective that comes to your mind to describe her is "sexy" then you are the one that should get help. If a girl won't wear pretty skirts and pretty tops in her teens or young years when will she? Sexy dance moves and sexual lyrics are of course a big no no. But I don't see any problem with her clothes. It is fitting for her age. But I believe that the main problem here is that the idols debuting at a young age. If you are on stage, you are bound to wear some over the top clothes soon or later. And there will be some creepes that will try to take advantage of that UNFORTUNATELY. So, what's the point of debuting these girls at the age of 15-16?? I know this has been a common thing in Kpop for decades. Still it does not justify it. If companies try to debut people after the age of 18-20, then I believe some of the problems can be solved as they are young adults who are aware of what is exactly going on. But when you look at all those 16 year olds, they are just bunch of high school teens who are idealized and expected to be some higher being or something that has to know everything, that has to be woke and knowledgeable and very intellectual. That's not gonna happen.

I rlly don't get this conversation? I'm about to get 16 and I'm not as confident as Yuna but I feel completely "normal dressed" when I wear a crop top, its basic still stylish and comfortable. It's just sad that dressing appropriate for weather or fancy for stage is a problem now. People are telling us teens to love ourselves and body but then turn around and complain about clothes that point out features we love. Of course there are limits but normal shorts with a crop top, really?

"...the brains fall out" PLEASE LMAO💀😭

Back again with the powerpoint presentation! I have such a huge problem with the Adult Ceremony performances, why do idols have to perform that song when they were still considered children by the general public and law literally days/weeks ago? It's like people think that once someone turns 18 they immediately turn on their adult switch when it usually takes a few months and years to reach that state of mind. It's so disturbing imo

I mean like it’s obviously Yuna’s choice on what she wants to wear, you can’t be like “this dress is too short for yuna”. She’s an adult now. I understand the concern midzy have but please, as a hardcore midzy myself, Yuna can wear whatever she wants! She’s an adult

I completely agree to everything your saying, when I first saw the outfit I thought that she looked really pretty and I didn't see the big deal about the out fit since she is often seen with crop tops and such. I thought this could be an short but interesting topic - The dances/songs/mvs of enhyphen. I understand that their concept is vampires but in the fever mv and dance it seems a little sexual, or at least I've seen many people take it sexually. (edits using songs with dirty lyrics and the fever dance moves) Even maybe some of the lyrics for fever are also like that. In dunked dazed they are drinking? but the group is almost all minors. And I feel that there is starting to be more sexualisation towards ni-ki as their maknae.

Tbh u taught me more than anyone ever did ( about these things in Kpop )

We also need to talk about the fact that just because someone is 18+ cannot be dressed anyway the stylist want especially when you talked about joy and even nayeon sometimes. Both look so uncomfortable with their outfits

This is unrelated but I love this use of these slides recently!! I think they’re much more engaging than watching different fancams all put together. And I think u make the slides look pretty too so good job

i think nowadays fans are a lot more protective because of the many issues there were in the past involving minors/barely legal idols. the oversexualisation of hyuna, park jiyoon, tzuyu, wonder girls, suzy, wonyoung, nancy, how stellar were treated and overexploited by their company, how often we have to go above and beyond to stop creeps from sexualizing nct dream, txt and enhypen members...... yeah, i think it stems from how horrifying it got/gets and how quickly & conveniently people are willing to forget that someone is underaged. so instead they fall on the opposite end of the spectrum where they just.... don't see teens as teens anymore, with desires, a sexuality, etc, and just become overbearing, as if they're protecting a 7yo.

Maybe, it's because Yuna looks so pretty and 'mature' for her age so the people and/or the fans are worried that she can be an easy target to thirsty older men out there? I don't really follow updates about Itzy but, that's what i'm thinking so far though. Feel free to correct me.

I was also concerned for Yuna. Jyp had a history of se&ualizing his minors like Suzy, tzuyu,etc. I was afraid for Yuna, but I never saw her wearing unsettling clothes, even the clothes in the loco era weren't that much revealing. She can wear whatever she wants. I never saw her uncomfortable with it. Also she just wears crop tops and all, which is I guess is okay.

I'm loving this PowerPoint era 💖💖💖 very precise and well made

She is not OVERLY sexualised. Yeah some times it is questionable the dance moves but it is not that over like some people are exaggerating. I agree with EGU's opinion

Ahh yes another enriching lecture from Professor Everglow up

she’s already so popular on the kpop fap subreddit...

i think with teenage girls the pendulum tends to swing between two extremes, hyperinfantilization (jojo siwa) or hypersexualization (danielle cohn). you see this a lot in kpop girl group concepts and there never really seems to be an in-between? i personally think there's a lot of problems with minors debuting and at the very least i don't think jyp should've made yuna an official visual until she was a legal adult (like?? ryujin's right there), but i do think it's kind of weird that we're only talking about it now, when yuna's an adult

I’m early! I can’t wait to hear your opinion on this!💕

Like it or not, what Yuna wears or what kind of dance she performs is part of her job as an idol. Fans certainly cannot police her clothings thinking that they try to ‘protect’ her. Because it always work like a double-sided sword. One example, tight-clothing/crop top, it shows how slick her dance or how talented she is as a dancer. We cannot expect her to wear baggy clothes, for example. People would start to attack her for different reasons (seriously though, people need to calm down and attack others less). So far, I don’t get the impression that she hates her clothes or style (of course, I could be wrong). It is not like blatant hypersexualisation like say, easy example, Stellar. But again, like you said, culture really plays big part here, it is very gray to draw the line between what is ok and what is not okay. To me, the bigger issue itself is actually lies with how much power a company has over an individual artist. How many times as fan we feel frustrated over things that company decide and our idols get the short end of the stick? Or when we see how trainees/idols being verbally abused or being repeatedly told they are not good enough or being starved or being scolded or being forced to do certain things or being prohibited to do what they want to do. Sometimes I think being an idol is such an extreme job, all of us who have started working and our bosses are not even half as controlling as these companies 😅 I digress, but what I was meaning to say is Kpop industry in a whole needs to redistribute the power coz entertainment companies has too much of it now.

I whole heartedly agree, you literally took all of the words out of my mind, this is my stance too. Plus love the ASMR in the end lol

Since we are talking about jyp girls and stylings is it cool if you can make a video on jeongyeon and her styling, her body type before and after and the public opinion. I think people are taking it too far with saying that jeongyeon has the worst outfits EVERY single era.

video was good as always and thx for the asmr in the endding

11 minutes ago? I'm early! Can't wait to hear your opinions ♡

Unrelated but that breadstick sounded CRISP

and this also plays into the infantasation of asians

Some of the dance moves are questionable, especially at debut, but the outfits are fine, it's her style and what the average teen style, the outfits she's gotten aren't even that sexual, especially in K-pop standards. I'm only a bit older than her (I was born in 2003) and me and my friends wear similar things. She seems comfortable in it so it's fine. If she was wearing very clearly inappropriate outfits (like a super low cut top, no safety shorts, those bra top things, etc) or she was very clearly uncomfortable I'd have a problem but she seems fine.

Guys we better report those kpop hypersexual videos om RU-vid, or even better their channels.

I love this channel. I don’t agree with everything (I do agree with this one), but that’s no reason to be toxic toward the creator. She is speaking her mind as she sees it, and you can go ahead and make a video saying she’s wrong, OR shut the fuck up.

Honethly I think that sexualisation really comes from people more than anything else. Once, I saw a video that really annoyed me. It was a fancam of Yuna. Idk what they were performing but she was sitting on a chair and she starded to dance. This alone had noting sexual: the choreo had simples movments, her outfit was pretty normal, she had a short skirt but nothing that should be sexualised, and even tho Yuna is a sensual performer nothing too crazy here. BUT the video was slowed down and zoomed in a very VERY weird way and to some edges it really felt sexual. And the effect was created BY the video ans by some stan that had nothing better to do and don't even get me started with the comment section bellow it. Like all this was so messed up, and that shows that sexualisation is really made by people

Yuna’s just a person like any of us😭sometimes she’s gonna be uncomfortable with something sometimes she won’t SHES ALLOWED TO CHANGE AND GROW UP! I get ppl still seeing her as the maknae and wanting to be protective but I also don’t want ppl to baby her forever, u just gotta let her grow up like we all did

Totally agree with your take. There is definitely worse sexualization going on the industry, but of course most K-Pop stans have no capacity for nuance and treat all issues with the same level of outrage. I am glad that we are at least talking about oversexualization more. I made some videos about it back when I was trying to do RU-vid and I'm happy that the message is spreading.

honestly, though i am personally iffy about Yuna's choice of outfits i don't think it's that much of a problem for herself. in situations where she goes out in public, she will most likely be freed from stylist's advices, therefore it should be her chance to wear whatever she wants. but she still often wears crop tops or sleeveless tops (sometimes even both); so happens in dance practice videos. unless if she was actually told to keep dressing like that in public, what she's dressed in would be entirely her choice and she's comfortable with it. my problem is with the music and dances. as you said, that one section from Dalla Dalla was unsettling. and there were other stuff that if mentioned individually, sounds like not much of a problem, but it's weird that it happened many times. it's like JYPE and the managers purposely drop veeery tiny clues so it's easy to brush off, but forgets that it can be pretty much obvious once it piles up.

I sort of think there is a difference between Tzuyu and Yuna in terms of this topic. Tzuyu, for the most part, tends to not like overly sexy outfits and doesn't dress like that on her own. Her style tastes tend to be more chic or elegant. Yuna, on the other hand, seems pretty comfortable in clothes like that both on and especially off stage. So I think it's a problem when the individual themselves are making it a problem not when Twitter says it is. Sure, companies pressure idols to wear costumes they may not like for stage, but we usually can tell if it's something they'd normally wear when it's their own clothing. Also, I find it odd that people are fine with underaged labor, but when that minor puts on a miniskirt that goes too far. We all know how hard idols work. It's a full-time job, especially if their in a hot group that is constantly doing things. Basically you're asking a child to carry on with an adult's load.... even when most adults don't keep those kinds of hours. All that is perfectly fine, yet seeing her belly button is the end of the world. Yes, exploiting a minor's body is wrong, but... working them to the bone is as well and practically no on bitches about that. I also think it's hypocritical that fans accept the concept of idols being visuals (whether they are the youngest or not), but are against that visual being sexy. Basically that says it's okay to drool over someone's appearance, but not okay to.... drool over that someone's appearance in sexy situations. So where's the logic in that? Your mind is already there, you've already accepted that it's acceptable to marvel at that person's body, but fishnets... no no no. Give me a break. I get there is a difference of admiration and perving, but when you've fine with a whole position solely based on someone's appearance and don't see the contradictory nature of being against sexualization, it's baffling. The k-pop industry is in the entertainment business and will always do what they can to get as much money as possible. Whatever we buy, they sell. So if you don't like it, don't pay for it. Simple. This is a concept Korean fans know all too well and frequently use. It's why their voices are more important than those of the West. Not only is the majority of marketing geared towards Koreans in general, this started off as a product for them, by them. We're just the cherry on top and they don't have to cater to us. We might bitch and complain on Twitter, but we still buy the next album, meanwhile if Korea hates something.they boycott it. Western fans are only valuable to companies because of our money. Our opinions don't matter and the sooner you realize this the easy it is to survive as a K-pop fan. With all that in mind, there is an easy solution to all this. Only debut idols when they are adults. This still won't stop companies from exploiting people who are desperate to be entertainers, but at least it's decision making coming from the mind of a mostly mature person. These trainees are forfeiting a higher education for the chance to debut, and even then it's not guaranteed that their group will catch the public's eye. The least the industry can do is set a rule that dictates that these impressionable people are voting age. Oversexualization is just going to happen, there's no stopping it... it's a universal concept throughout history. With an age rule like this, at least a company isn't profiting from child exploitation, both sexual and labor wise.

I see no lies! I love your videos❤❤❤

OK First of all I agree with everything you have said about people being so open minded that they lose all of their critical thinking skills however there were a few hints of hypocrisy in your points specifically about JYP's reputation with minors defending his 9 year age gap relationship with "love is love" then saying "as long as it's not a minor" is illogical two wrongs don't make a right since this only contributes to the sexual objectification of young girls

I agree that there has to be some sort of middle line... there's a rare chance this will happen (especially on a platforms across the internet). I would say that it's better to be more cautious as an issue rather than it not brought up at all, swinging towards more woke/aware. Best case scenario if the middle line can't be achieved, then at the very least, if these comments really do annoy/bother her, she can speak out about it to defend herself/stylistic preference. However due to the influence and power the companies have over her, it's guaranteed that she won't be allowed to speak up about it if it is the other way around until at the very least her contract expires/free from the company. Her fans complaining are her only safety net/voice if she actually is uncomfortable with it. Also we have to consider ITZY's fanbase, although their songs are girl crush, leaning towards high-teen in some cases for concepts/style, most of their fanbase is older than her (prob 18-25+). Stage outfits aren't her choice, if they were or she does actually like them, then all to her - but they aren't/doesn't like them then it's only feeding her disproportional number of older fans who post thirst edits/vids/imagery (at this point it's about prevention where possible). Once again, although I don't think people should be disparaging the stylist or going to the extreme like how it is now, but it's better to realize this earlier than later (sadly more often than not, celebs come out later in their career to reveal that they weren't comfortable with it way back then which can result in trauma). This is a similar situation when talking about idol's weights (ie if an idol is underweight, should fans be concerned bc of so many have been forced in the past to by their companies to do so or are they losing weight naturally), and a lot of other issues in the entertainment industry, etc...

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Hey! I want to know your opinions on this kpopification of western industry drama and Ariana Grande allegations on trying to be Asian because it's trendy now after profiting from black fishing.

Wait~ I thought Yuna’s LOCO era cloths were cute 😭 I honestly didn’t think that much of it like when I saw them I was like “oh that’s cute I wish I had that” not “wtf why is she dressed like that, that’s too much skin” 💀

side note I'm gonna start using the "your brain is falling out" argument bc it perfectly summarizes some people's arguments

Adult ceremony is something I can't watch. Even if the idols like it/are proud of it.

17 min late😂...17 is my favourite number

They really should debut ONLY when a trainee past matured year GENERALLY. Like.. didn't they know the world are harsh? This is one of the many problems out there. And fyi, no matter what GIRLS wear, it WILL feels like they're sexy. No cap, but it's true. Womens are not safe until peoples learn how to discipline their eyes, words and respect them plus respect yourselves too.

People really need to calm down

All the comments are saying that clothing isn't sexual and shouldn't be sexualized and yes that's fair in some ways, but the same arguments can be made for the dance moves. I have seen people call body rolls, popping/locking/isolating the torso in general or the chest specifically (i.e. a chest bump), pretty basic floorwork, and some vogueing movements or poses oversexualization when these are literally beginner-level techniques in their respective styles that anyone of any age will do in those classes. Both styling and choreography can be constructed in such a way that they are seen as being sexy or sexualized, but to figure whether they are in any given case where you can't talk to the person doing the dance or wearing the clothes seems nigh impossible to me with so many possibilities. It isn't like JYP himself is choreographing these songs all the time obviously; in that case is the choreographer told to add "sexy moves," do they naturally use those movements because it's their vibe and musicality, do they know anything about the members, are they trying to make it look sexy whether they know the ages of the members or not, etcetera. Of course this may well be obvious with specific examples from choreographies, but in general it is worth considering these things I think.

Oh my gosh, I remember that ad of Tzuyu. I didn’t even look, that was so bad. Poor Tzuyu. 😢 It is true that Yuna wears crop tops though, I didn’t find much of a problem with the loco outfit. In my opinion, I do find some ITZY dance moves awkward, they are a bit too young to be doing those, those dance parts don’t last very long though. I hope JYPE treats their artists better.

It's such a shame no one complains or points out how much YEJI is being over-sexualized! Girl is only 21! I'm crying here. (I'm not being serious). But really what we need in K pop is more silly unnecessary drama from fans. LOL

*Me who's only months younger than Yuna and wears shorts and crop tops for a living because where I live is hella hot:* _quietly sips tea_

Nice to be early haha

Maybe we could just, not debut minors. Normalize debuting people 21 years and older 🤷‍♀️

this is exactly why I'm sick and tired of K-Pop "fans" pretending to be feminists by preaching about this "oversexualization" nonsense

Finally !

Also, the bread stick ASMR! 🤣❤️

I think you’re using the word butcher/butchered incorrectly. When you said butcher the meaning of over sexualization and that you butchered JYP’s history of over sexualizing minors I was confused because to butcher means to explain something badly, poorly or mess up the definition of something. I think you explained everything properly and in great detail as you always do. I love how concise but to the point your videos are and while I don’t always agree with your points, I absolutely love hearing your opinion.

I'm the youngest member of my family and was often wearing shorts because one thing, why wouldn't I when it's hot and second thing, I've always liked wearing shorts. Lately, I wore a leather mini skirt similar in length to the dress Yuna wore during LOCO promotions with shorts underneath. The stares and comments I got from my family, oh boy. And the interesting thing is, I'm 21 and people still kinda treat me as if I was 12 or something with the way I dress. Then, they want me to act my age because 'you're not a baby anymore'. The hypocrisy kinda played with my self-confidence because I just didn't know what should I do. So Yuna simply being the youngest member of her group may be actually the only reason people treat her as if she was a lot younger than she is. This is how I see it basing on my experiences

I kinda dig these PowerPoint type of videos, I prolly would had better grades in school when most presentations were even half as interesting as these one are.

um what are fab videos ? i literally have no clue also nice vid good points!

This can even be talked about this with yugyeom as well

Real talk. Those who think that are insecure about themselves. And are just virtue signaling.

It sounds controlling asf to judge an idol on what they should and shouldn’t wear

Good 👌

Honest truthful Opinions on the serious issues of oversexualization of Idols who are minors in the K-pop music industry and both the media and companies are kind of responsible for this problem

I agree i just think Yuna always gets the like sexual lyrics and dance moves righht infront.... like in their debut she was right infront twerking, in mafia she says "youa re gonna love me" while caressing her face, and so on... like its a trend and im not the only one who noticed this trend

Yesss I would say that while teens are absolutely allowed to own their own sexuality and be a little sexy or cheeky sometimes (let's be real most of us are at least interested in those things before we come of age), these agencies really need to protect their idols from the predators that are lurking online waiting for content like this to consume legally. And yes you're so right it's the fans that need to chill, both those who sexualize her and those who are overprotective. I think many kpop choreographers really toy that line between girl crush/cute and sexy vibes sometimes, and I feel like minors should not be doing moves that obviously hint as s3x (for instance wonyoung's dance move during the bridge of Eleven made me uncomfy and don't get me started on Produce 101) But p3d0philia is truly SUCH an issue worldwide both in and out of the entertainment industry, that I think the vast majority of minors genuinely shouldn't be able to debut, period. Fame is a lot for anyone to handle, but to spend most of your childhood in practice rooms only to have your body sexualized/shamed/etc by millions of strangers on the internet just isn't the way to go for me. We at least need plenty more protections for these minors to articulate their own personal boundaries without fear of losing their chance at a career.

no matter your take on it, everyone can at least agree that she looks way older than her age. I didn't believe she was 17 before she finally turned 18. she looks like she's 20.and that says something. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Girl can u open a spotify podcast ples i can listen to u while talking to some friends🙂🙂🙂

Yuna is very pretty and it’s okay if she is okay with it she just seems like a girl with confidence and I don’t see no problem with it

Okay also I'm going to say this and I'll be done!! Have you guys noticed how popular the youngest always are in the group and then they lose their popularity after they grow older and reach adulthood?? It's very weird It happened with Tzuyu from twice, she has gotten significantly less popular ever since she turned into an adult, Yuna was the talk of the town back when they first debuted now she's the least biased in itzy, Wonyoung in izone got so much attention for debuting at 14, now Leeso in IVE.

She can wear what she’s wants imo it’s her life but yeah like you said some of the dance moves they do are questionable

I usually mind my business of what women wear

Honestly I never understood how people find a simple "crop-top" over-sexualising AND would be like "there's many creeps out there, I don't want her to be sexualised" why does she have to change her clothing but not the creeps changing their mind? people will still sexualise hwr even after she becomes an adult, that still isn't right! we need to change those creeps mindset and not what yuna wants to wear

Me at fifteen dancing Paso Doble. . . I don't get the thing about the dance moves. I mean any dancer would be like . . . It's just that are literal seven years old in dance academies who dance more "sensual" than anything itzy ever did. Is like when we danced Carimbó (I'm Brazilian, and Carimbó is one of the many many typical dances of the country, this one specifically is from the north region and has nothing to do with samba, wich by the way I don't dance neither like) anyway, we danced carimbó, we were like 9 and it's a sensual dance our headmistress was a strong catholic (she was the one who chose the dance) we did it, our parents loved it, she came after our throats because it was too sensual of a presentation and we should have toned it down. It was in that day we decided she was crazy. It's just, is dancing, we give everything we got to do it properly, you're not gonna dance tango blandly just because your too young, if you're there your parents and you took it to consideration, and if it's too much for you, then get out. (I'm only talking about the dancing, clothing is a whole other thing and wasn't included in here).

11:27 I'm not super familiar with Kpop. I only listen to one group but this subject is super interesting to me. Anyway, I literally said out loud "SHE is 15????" WTF

Yes I'm spamming the comments cuz I'm mad cuz no one is even taking Yunas feelings into consideration in this whole matter. Y'all say you care about her without even listening to what she has to say

I feel like a lot of people just won’t let idols grow up & are weirdos who want to infantilize them. I only ever see this with East Asians too. I’ve seen so much comments calling Yuna a *baby* & that’s she shouldn’t wear that cause she’s a little baby and doesn’t know what she’s doing 😭 Like wtf? Cringe as hell & how you calling a whole grown ass person a baby? There’s people who are literally the same age as her in the west that will wear the exact same stuff as her but you’ll never see comments infantilizing them.

Why is this is just now she have to fit in becouse other girls are adults and some cloeths ,they dance moves are bad for minor

Not related but just searched up "yuna fap" and I'm know traumatized

Even if they dressed Yuna in clothes that covered her entire skin, people will still sexualize her if they want to. Clothes are clothes and most of the clothes Yuna wears is simple crop tops and shorts (maybe ripped stockings) and they are not that bad for a 15 year old to wear