@craigsimons1993 I still remember Badoer's heartbreaking retirement from the 1999 European Grand Prix when his Minardi's gearbox let go while running fourth.
Luca Badoer was a good driver, he even won F3000 in '92. There was clearly something funny going on preventing Badoer and Fisichella (who had won a race just before coming to Ferrari) from getting anything out of the car.
En serio, qué triste eso de que seguro que 'muchos no se pondrían de acuerdo en decir quien es el culpable', un poquito de dignifidad, en una carrera si eres más rápido que el piloto de adelante y no consigues pasarlo no tienes derecho a darle en la trasera para quitártelo del medio, en fín...
ToxicLemon "Hamilton's fault" is really old joke from 2007-2008, used to say in youtube comments. It's like today people says "Malonados fault" or like people hated Vettel when he used to be overpowered. Hamilton was hated back then, especially in Spain. F1 "Driver-to-blame" is moving from year to year. In 2007-2009 it was Hamilton, 2011-2013 it was Vettel and I bet now it's Hamilton's turn again. F1-Fans cant handle two overpowered years a row. Including me.
@craigsimons1993 yeah, and with current point system he would have scored around 28 points. forti, minardi and scuderia italia wasnt nowhere near todays toro rosso or cars you could imagine to finish on the top 10. also underrated mika salo scrored more points in his rookie season with tyrrell than schumacher 2010 with mercedes. hard to compare these things anyway,.. but gives u some idea : ) ofc
definitely alonso's fault. also, everyone stop saying badoer is a bad driver. he always drove bad cars at the start of his career, then got passed over by Ferrari in 1999. he truly believed his chance woulld come with ferrari (he even denied race contracts in 2000), but the media pressure, pressure from the fans, no recent testing and a, frankly, below average car weren't exactly the best conditions. i'm not saying he's race winning material, but he did beat coulthard and barrichello in f3000...
Actually I think that this has been the best season for Grosjean and Maldonado, a lot of improvement since last year. And Pérez is just doing his job at McLaren but he´ll improve :P
@Sozlled they are starting to bring back in season testing, next year there will be a mid season test and mugello in may or june i think. i think that in season testing will be brought back in 2014 or 2015
Coloni Ford in 1991 for instance would be a prime contender as slowest f1 car of all time. It never once got past 'pre qualifying and was also a few seconds a lap slower then the slowest cars of the main grid!
back then since there was no DRS, drivers were desperate and anxious to pass anywhere they could... Now with the invention of DRS, it has made the passing more frequent as well as safe
i think after the 2007 season with McLaren (when he has been treated bad from the team) Alonso has learn to keep the head on his neck... sorry for my english btw :)
In 1999, Eddie had a crash in qualifying, about 10 minutes before the end. And in the race, he probably suffered a setup problem or a crash related problem - he finished 3rd, but over 90 seconds behind the 2nd Michael. Since Michael was no longer in the title race, it is beyond ridiculous to think Ferrari slowed Eddie down in any way. On the contrary, had Eddie scored the missed single point in Europe, Michael would let him pass for 2nd and win the title.
I can't say if you're right or wrong, but I don't think that can be all of it - the cars all have more or less the same engines and gearboxes and they have the same tires and electronics - it seems strange that when an FR2.0 driver can drive an F3 car within a second on his first test (that's a completely different car, tyres, engine, electronics), an F1 driver cannot drive a different F1 car with the same tyres etc. within that same margin. Badoer was 2½ seconds slower in Q1 Valencia!
I agree with tommyki. Anybody good enough to be a f1 test driver is a fast driver. Some of those guys were unlucky enough to drive some of the slowest cars (compared with fastest in field) ever to compete in f1.
si sos un piloto de verdad haces un adelantamiento... y si es sin chocarlo mejor aún, más "profesional" sos, en caso de alonso se ve que solo cuando tiene un auto superior o con órdenes de equipo....
el ferrari está tomando una curva y Alonso se tiró por una zona de NO adelantamiento, si es tan rápido podría haber esperado algún tramo rápido para adelnatar
no tiene porque dejarlo pasar, Felipe venía peleando la carrera también, no en vano estaba primero,, si es "más rápido Alonso" que adelante, si no lo hubiera intentado en una zona poco segura nunca hubiera habido toque, la responsabilidad es de Fernando....
luca badoer tommy byrne just two names that never got their chance in f1, yet showed greater talent than drivers already in the sport. Luca badoer beat david coulthard and rubens barichello in his gp2 season. Just such a shame he debuted in f1 with a team years behind hte development curve tommy byrne was throttled back on mclaren test so he couldnt beat ayrton sennas lap times F1 is a circus show and the ring masters like to keep it how they like it.
I know your comment is more than 3 weeks old, accept my apologies. Alonso had a problem in the team. And it was called Ron Dennis. Not LH Ron Dennis wanted LH to win at all costs because it was his second child since karting. The team didn't treat him as an equal at all.
really?? even after lost to a rookie in 2007 ?? yeah.. he blamed the team for favoritism towards hamilton(but how can mclaren do that while they r driving the same car with same equipment n updates)..what about the favoritism given him while nelson jr was his teamate..even crashed for him
Alonso entra en la curva con una trazada muy forzada y el coche se le va un poco de delante cuando quiere negociarla, el ferrari hace una trazada más convencional pero cuando intenta cerrar el hueco tiene el morro del McLaren encima de las ruedas traseras. Yo creo que Alonso no tuvo mala intención pero que aún no había ganado la posición como para decir " el Ferrari" perdió la suya. S2
Acá nadie hablo de mala intención. Sino de ERROR. Y ese, fue de Alonso. Por la sencilla razón de que su rueda delantera, topa con la trasera del Ferrari. Punto.
crashes like these are non-existent today... todays drivers are more respectful and give people space... I think its credited mostly due to the invention of DRS and passing only on the straights and not so much on corners... no more controversial accidents in todays formula 1
Marc Gene should've drove that car! At that point, Badoer hadn't competed in ANY motor racing event since like 1999 or something like that & Gene had just won Le Mans with Peugeot, the 1st Spaniard to do so overall, as well as a few F1 races between 1999 and 2009, with Williams on a couple of occasions in 2004 IIRC! Not fair really on Badoer!
can anyone clear this up for me? Alonso raced for McLaren in 2007, Badoer was stand in for Massa in 2009. Did those two drivers just apply time travel or something like that. I am a bit lost..
Actually, it is the stupidity of Badoer to let Alonso overtake on the inside in the wet without slowing down (plus, Badoer kept his car too much to the right hand side of the track). :-) Fernando was on a flying lap, Badoer was just cruising around (the purpose of which is??? - he must have been heading for the pits - on an "in lap").
1st, Alonso's car was perfect even after the incident with Vettel. 2nd, what happened to Alonso in Montreal was completely his fault, maybe a bit of Ferrari but he could have changed tyres at the end like Hamilton and finish 2nd or 3rd.
I feel bad for Luca. Early in his career, he was never thought of as a slow driver. Obviously being out of a race seat, you're bound to lost some of your competitiveness. His performances in 2009 showed that. He was so unused to the car, that that was misinterpreted as him being a bad driver.
Ferrari ONLY cares about FERRARI, it doesn't give a FUCK about any Schumacher or Raikkonen or ANYONE. Michael will confirm this to you if you ask him. The TIFOSI, that is another story. THEY love Gilles, Michael, Kimi etc. But for the TEAM, it has ALWAYS been just a question of scoring, scoring, scoring (or winning, if the situation allows).
Suzuka '99 - how come Irvine was 1.5 seconds slower in qualifying, but in 2000 when he had a worse car (Jaguar) he was only a second slower? And no, I don't necessarily think that Ferrari ever did something on purpose to make someone slower but maybe they just didn't do their best in setting up the car etc. because it wasn't "their" driver. Schumacher did get preferential treatment in that he always decided the setup direction etc.
@ATGxQuadPimp haha there are a lot of facebook group against alonso, hamilton, raikkonen, vettel, it doesnt matter. big drivers have friends and enemies. alonso is one of them, GRANDE ALONSO
I do understand that a team will try to get the best result possible. Funny how you mention "Alain", I assume you mean Prost, the guy who convinced the engineers to switch Mansell's car for his own because he thought it was better. Explain to me how Irvine was 1.5 seconds slower if they had equal cars - that had not happened before, only the weekend Irvine could've won the championship. Yes, Ferrari want to look good but that includes making their preferred driver look better than the others.
I don't know about anything about pre-90, but I'd say the Coloni was completely outclassed by the Life L190/W190 (the one with the W12). The Life wasn't even as fast as an F3000 car, it was about the same speed as an F3 car and the engine was the most unreliable I've ever heard of.
clearly there was something...like experience with the car? gone are the days when drivers can be afforded to be dropped mid season and can be quick with a car straight out of the box. Dosent happen anymore does it? & that situation at Ferrari was proof
Please understand that whoever sits in the car is THEIR driver. Even if it was just for one session, they want the data or points or something from it. They are not there for fun. They are dead serious. Ask Alain. Just like the best drivers will always choose the best available car no matter what (except Lewis "Crazy" Hamilton :-)))) ), the best teams will always choose the best available drivers. They don't want to look like a bunch of fools who JUST participate. They want to kick ass.
NO, they were just not used to the specific nature of the car's handling. THAT IS IT. If you think Ferrari lost race positions or points etc. ON PURPOSE, then you should return to the planet you came from. :-))) Guess what, there was no Schumacher preference either! Michael was just lucky and very skilled and secured a championship lead within the team in the first part of the season, which is THE ONLY reason why the other driver had to help him. Michael WOULD have to help the other guy as well!
