Hello Gregor! I hope you notice my question. I thank you because of your reviews being one the few TRUE honest reviews which does not seem so suffer from mixing product information, review and advertisment purposes at the same time. There are not so many ”wonder guns” in your hands that we are used to seeing concerning one particular brand that seems to be the only gun in the world that just shoots what ever and whenever and whatever distances ”SUBMOA ALL DAY LONG”….though we normally see heavily edited videos and shooting always stops after 5 shot group and then the gun is declared submoa all day long. And the long 200-300 yards or meters ”soda can shootings” are performed so that the cans are so close to each other that you hit in a case even you were not aiming at the hitting soda can. I hate misinformation and this trend nowadays when the videos results seem to be so clearly in harmony with the third party who is sponsoring the reviewist….So I truly respect your videos and hope that you keep making these. You have been noticed in many places since based on my questions to different airgun retailers or manufacturer’s, it is not a coincidenfe why so many of those independent and not in any way related parties have recommended watching exactly Your reviews if I want to see truthfull and trustworthy review. I have been in contact with manufacturer Altaros and getting superb answers and customer service to my variety of questions concerning their different products and by accident I found this very interesting long range airgun. M24 Altaros as a totally different concept technically also has raised my utmost interest in long range shooting and also at this price point everything seems so reasonable compared to many competitors and now that I heard there is a completely new aluminum stock coming in the future bringing even more out of this M24 rifle, I really got hooked. I have some development ideas and I found the best technical info about the Altaros M24 from your video but watching your video in ”slow motion” the best I can just tapping the pause and play buttons as fast as I can, it still has left some questions to which I would like your more detailed answer if you have time to answer. I am going to buy this gun and I try get the 3D image of the plenum/valve/lock/loading tray/breech face combination, or should we call it the overall locking mechanism, in my head in order to figure out some tuning and product development on my own to this in-house built rifle. THEREFORE MY ACTUAL QUESTIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS: The moving part = the lock mechanism = aluminum coloured, back and forth moving part when cocking and loading the gun which is hiding inside ITSELF the plenum and at the furthermost part, the valve itself….. 1. Due to video quality I cannot see by zooming in that IS the outer aluminum cylindrical surface ROTATING along with the lock handle when you twist the lock handle up and down? Or is the aluminum lock surface/cylindrical shaped tube we see moving back and forth just a HOUSING TUBE/HOUSING CYLINDER for plenum and valve inside and this part itself does NOT ROTATE ITSELF BUT MAKES ONLY LATERAL MOVEMENT???? 2. When you open the lock we see a kind of ”SINGLE LOADING TRAY” appearing underneath the away moving lock cylinder which is also aluminum part having half-tube shaped groove into which you place the slug sitting nose forward. Does this loading tray move at all or is it a solid base indepent of the movements of the lock mechanism or does the loading tray also travel along with the rest of the moving parts? 3. When the lock is open at its maximum at the moment when you actually cock the gun, there appears a black empty space or something like that which looks like there would be at this maximum open cocking position some kind of 5 mm slot between the loading tray and the breech or the actual breech face by which I mean the exact surface, where the slugs tail will end up when the lock is closed and gun is ready to fire? Is this some kind on reflection in the video or Is there some kind of short gap between loading tray and the breech face OR does the loading tray’s pellet/SLUG groove continue/cover the whole space/distance between the VALVE SURFACE at the max open lock position all the way to the breech end where the slug is finally pushed SO that there is no chance at any point that a slug or a pellet could fall into some little slot and be crushed/jammed between closing lock’s valve surface and the breech face? 4. What I am trying to visualize by these questions is that if the slug is dropped or inserted in what ever manner into the loading tray so that the slug ends up sitting the right direction on the loading tray’s groove, will the slug slide 100% sure to the breech along with the groove so that slug cannot be jammed in the process of closing lock feeding the slug into to the barrel i.e.the breech and breech face?? So does the loading tray also move and carry the slug or is the loading tray totally indepent solid part of the rifle and the ONLY MOVING PARTS WHEN LOADING ARE THE LOCK AND THE SLUG?? 5. Is the whole loading mechanism and mechanical solution along wiht CNC machining quality so good that the shooter can concentrate only on shooting and the seating of the slug into the gun does not need a particular attention as long as you just get the slug somehow sitting on the groove so loading the gun can be performed with the speed of your hands being the limit and the lock mechanism takes care after that, that every slug will be identically seated in the breech. I am asking these questions because this gun is great BUT provided with magazine+repeater mechanism so that every time you cock the gun from the handle you show in this video, the slug would end up in the loading tray by itself…it would still be a gamechanger with M24 when your shooting cycle could be as uninterrupted as possible and there are certain ways which might be possible to develop and build with quite simple ways to make this rifle ”self loading” the same way we are used to shooting most side-lever-cocking guns. When shooting tehtered or just those around 10 shots with a single tank fill, it would make the gun even greater when able to shoot for example 10 shots without single loading by hand….
Finally, a detailed video about the gun, thank you! I can't wait for the teardown and seeing how it all works inside. Like others have commented, I really appreciate you sharing your findings with everyone. I'd love to get one of these, but with a 10J limit where I am, that feels a bit pointless. So I guess I'll live through you for a while.
Greetings from upstate NY. Thank you for a great video. I had seen this rifle in another video shooting long distances --- up to 700 yds/mtrs with great accuracy. Best to you.
Yes, the ide of having the cylinder coaxial with the barrel is not new. But I am not sure if any manufacturer till now made this coaxial cylinder to be the plenum of the gun yet like it is in Panthera...
First, I'd like to say how much I appreciate the quality of information you provide in your videos. Second, would you say that the advantage of the valve design on the M24 has to do with not having to compress ambient air between the valve and the pellet/slug when firing? Do you think having to compress the ambient air as required on more traditional designs contributes to the inconsistency of velocity? Finally, it would seem to me that having a flexible air tube between the bolt and the air reservoir that moves every time the rifle is cocked is going to be a wear point on the rifle. Does the manual say anything about the estimated life of that part?
Thanks. I really appreciate it. Yes, the fact that the "transfer port" is virtually non existing and therefor it does not have to compress almost any air during the shot definitely helps, especially in the power and efficiency. It does also help with the consistency but probably not in any noticeably manner. The consistency has to do with regulator, plenum size and the valve and the relationship between them, slugs consistency (weight and size) and the size of the plenu. The firing operation on this gun is really well balanced. It is much easier to achieve this balance if you have "fixed" application and I am curious what the consistency will be once I make adjustments to the system...
regarding flexible tubing: so far I not need replace a single tube either on my prototype M24 rifles or on any production version. On some rifles, I have fired more than +10k shots on this final design of the tube. The tube itself does not move that much, so it is not susceptible to internal damage. Minor damage may occur to, for example on the outer black rubber casing, which is not important for the tube from the point of view of strength or tightness. Of course, if the tube is damaged for some reason, the tube can be easily replaced.
@@AirgunRegulator Good to know. Thank you for reporting on your experience with that aspect of the M24. It will be interesting to see Mr. Kamensek's disassembly of the rifle to learn how the internals work.
Hello, I have a question about the barrel. Which do you think would be more appropriate? I am considering LW polygonal twist 450mm. Thank you in advance for your opinion.
That entirely depends on what projectile you intend to shoot. If you intend to shoot pellets (I assume you are not :)) then LW choked poly 450 is a good choice. If you intend to shoot slugs, than there are so many more question that it is impossible to give a direct answer like: what slug, what is the externa dimension,... Lets assume you intend to shoot convectional swagged slugs; personally, I have never had any luck with those despite the fact that they are all the rage nowadays. For those, best option would probably be FX slug liner (I don't have much experience with those but people tend to get good results with them) or RPB barrel from RTI. Those barrels are built for these slugs. Altaros slugs also shoot well in those barrels (I can speak only for RBP)but they are do very well in conventional LW choked barrel that is already in the M24 (at least the ATP king)...
I went for .22 mainly for two reasons: 1. Shot count (air cylinder size) - The shot count is low as it is, but if I wanted to get high power with .25, the shot count would be even lower 2. Plenum size - The plenum size is relatively small. So if I went with bigger caliber, I would have to have even bigger regulated pressure in order to achieve the power I would like to have... In any case, I can make a .25 cal barrel and fit in the gun if I even desire to do so :)
I have been trying to get one of those for almost a year. they do not allow shipping to the us for some stupid reason. i love the concept and the look. I will try to get one when i come over to italy for vacation this summer.
Daj mi reci molim te da li je se isplati kupiti. Planiram 6.35 calibar. Isto je pratim vec neko vrijeme ali jedino tebi vjerujem kad radis recenzije. kako puca Zan slugagove? Ima li koji slug da joj lezi ok a da nije altaros slug?
Meni se sviđa. Malo je teška ali inače zbilja dobro radi. Glavno ograničenje priciznosti je cijev. Standardne LW air gun cjevi nisu baš najbolje za "klasične" slugove. Nezna kako če raditi u 6,35... U 5,5 rade ŽAN prilično dobro ali ne tako dobro kao ATP KING. Problem klasičnih slugova u ovih cjevih je i to da jih je treba često čistiti. Imat ču video kje idem u detajle oko toga. Istotako, Altaros ima puno iskustva oko toga i bio mi je u veliko pomoč...
@@gregorkamensek3923 100 joules should make a decent increase in speed , that would be +/-300m/s with the 34 grain slugs or +/-275m/s with the 40 grain. I wonder if it would improve accuracy even further with a little more speed for the slugs.
Right now, the best results I am getting is the the 40 grain ATP slugs, but I need to try others as well. There will be a 100 m or even bigger range video in the future as well...
update to my own question, finally available to ship to the US now...a few people have ordered one in .25 as the .22 are on back order. I will wait to see how the process goes to get one here, and maybe soon i will make an order, not sure which caliber though!
@@eaSTS9Hi. I am happy to hear that Altaros has started with exports. :) I only have the .22 cal but I am considering of converting it to .25 as well just to see what it can do.
Yeh, it is a bit slow, but keep in mind that it is only .22 cal, and most airguns would not even get close to 800 fps with 600 mm barrel with 40 grain projectile... Huben and few others might be an exception...
Lol, I already got this comment before in Slovenian language:). It is not actually that much, it is only 40kg... It is a very cheap weight kit with cheap bar...
