Amazing: Christian Pastor vs. Jehovah's Witnesses 

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Perhaps the most amazing and cordial conversation I have ever seen concerning the Deity of Christ. Great job! -Mark Spence

I need to watch more of your channel, 2 Mormons just came to my doorstep to preach to me, and I didn't try and convert them and stop them from preaching false Gospel because I didn't feel I was equipped enough to do so. I need to read and prioritize the Bible, pray for me and these Mormon missionaries.

Was a baptized Jehovahs witness for years. Happy i left, Jesus is my lord and Savior! I accept

I don’t know what this man is trying to prove? The scripture sounded exactly the same. Jesus himself said he was the son of God and if he was the son he was born/created at some point. Man go back to the drawing board because your reasoning is weak at best

I am 62yrs old. I was always confused about Jesus and God. I thank you very much for this information. It truly was heart felt. Your words brought some tears to my eyes. I thank you Sir for your words again. God bless you and your family.

My mother was a jehovahs witness, at one point her brother who was a Christian was praying for her, she got sick and had a vision of two angels fighting for her, one of the devil and one of the Lord, the Lords angel won, and she immediately left Jehovahs witnesses and was led to follow the true Jesus of the Bible.

It's absolutely stunning how interactions such as this can remain cordial throughout the extent of the conversation. When both parties remain level-headed and sincere. Not being heady or quick to anger. This was an incredible video showing people of two differing views on a subject. The gentleman that came up and interjected 20min in was right on the money. This was a beautiful dialogue.

They called him Emmanuel which means God with us

This is what I love about Jeff, he’s not a heresy hunter, he speaks truth in love, he practices love in evangelism and teaching

I thoroughly enjoyed this. No rudeness, no anger, just discussing the bible. And by His grace they will know Him better. Which is the essence of it.

MORE STREET MINISTRY!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 love seeing these interactions

Love this video! As a former JW this hits home. Thank you Jeff and Apologia for continuing to preach and display love to those who are lost and deceived.

Love this, was raised JW, left on my own around '99, been a Christian since❤

I needed this. I'm coming back to my faith in Christ and was challenged by a coworker about Jesus' divinity on Monday. Thank you

If Peter was given the keys and He was authorized why is it that most churches do not believe his words? Peter did not preach that Jesus was God or did He ever subscribe to God being a Trinity..Acts 2:22 ¶ “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know A man attested (approved) by God which God did through this man.. yes this is in your Bible..

That was amazing/not just what you said, but the way you said it....may the "Lord of Glory" keep blessing your ministry ⭐

As an ex-Jehovah's witness this was the hardest thing to understand but I'm glad it's making more sense the more I watch these kinds of videos. Thank you for explaining so diligently. I am so glad I moved on from the religious trauma and finally believe in the trinity.

His technique is compliment then attack. Jesus did not believe in trinity. All his minsitry focused on Glorifying the father Jehovah. He reads the bible not with a humble heart but the goal of supporting his pre existi g belief that trinity is what the bible taught. If you read the bible thoroughly, it is clear that Jesus never wants to be worshipped. He is not equal nor would never want to be equal to Jehovah. Please research the origin of trinity belief. These ladies for sure did not consent on being videod like this. I dont think he cared enough to ask if they consent. Is that a loving thing to do for a christian?

I believe in Jehovah witnesses Jehovah and Yahweh are one in Jews they call Yehowah hi is the god the father Jesus is God the son in my heart Jehovah is the answer of all the question

Simple question to ask those that do not believe Jesus is God - Why was Jesus crucified? Why did the Pharisees and High Priests condemn Jesus to death? For claiming to be God!

It was a beautiful encounter. Jeff was polite, loving and cut with the truth. It 100% takes a work of God to change the heart and open the eyes.

When Peter asked Jesus: He asked when he will show them the Father, Jesus answered and said have I not been with you for long that you do not know me?

Jehovah's Witnesses preach according to the Bible's advice, not according to the desires of those who disagree with or hate them. 1 Timothy 2;8; 6:3-5 8 So I desire that in every place the men carry on prayer, lifting up loyal hands, *without* anger and *debates.* 3 If any man teaches another doctrine and does not agree with the wholesome instruction, which is from our Lord Jesus Christ, nor with the teaching that is in harmony with godly devotion, 4 he is *puffed up with pride* and does not understand anything. He is *obsessed* with arguments and *debates* about words. These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions, 5 constant disputes about minor matters by men who are corrupted in mind and deprived of the truth, thinking that godly devotion is a means of gain. 2 Timothy 2:23 23 Further, reject foolish and ignorant *debates,* knowing that they produce fights.

Why has a pastor never come to my door like jesus did and paul. With the truth,,,yet jws are regular at my doorits because jws have the real holy spirit, have a nice day see you all at Armageddon,, ,,

This is lame. Going up harassing, looking for a debate with prepared talking points.

Perfecting timing! I work with a Jehovah witness and I share the gospel to him all of the time. Besides sharing the true gospel and the true Christ which is first and foremost the number one thing. Being an example of a Godly Christian is also a powerful testimony. He couldn’t comprehend a time that I forgave someone at work. He couldn’t for the life of him wrap his head around the fact that I could have mercy one someone so quick and so easily. It’s because he has never been eternally forgiven. Pray for my friend Matt please.

I was not blessed with the ability to memorize verses or bring up truths from the bible. This is a wonderful video showing the love of Pastor Jeff.

If Jesus is a copy of the invisible God ? What does that tell you a copy is of something,end of debate, Jesus is the son of God end of It’s funny how this guy jumps over verses to make his point and ignore the In between

it amazes me every time i see one of these videos. this pastor was very respectful, however his interpretations are incorrect. I will just comment on Isaiah 9:6. He said that El Gibbor is explicitly reserved for Jehovah, that is incorrect. In the Hebrew text, Jehovah is explicitly referred to as the God of gods , also El Shaddai (Almighty God). Jesus is never referred to as such.

I really appreciate, how gentle he was with them. Glory to God alone.

Ask yourself after each scripture Is Jehovah & Jesus the same, equal or different? Psalms 83:18 Matthew 3:16,17 Matthew 20:20-23 Matthew 26:39 Mark 12:28-30 Mark 13:32 John 1:1 John 1:18 John 6:38 John 8:17,18 John 14:6 John 14:28 John 17:3-5 John 20:17 Acts 7:55 1 Corinthians 8:5,6 1 Corinthians 11:3 1 Corinthians 15:27,28 Philippians 2:5,6 Philippians 2:9-11 Colossians 1:15,16 Colossians 3:1 Hebrews 10:12,13

Does apologia studios like to put the witnesses against pastor so and so? These videos always say VS or against. That’s weak like the pastor.😄

I love that another stranger, a "passer-by", stopped and sat down to listen to the evidence of the trinity, and more.

Very cordial but bold in his proclamation and exegesis of the Gospel. Thank you, faithful saint Jeff.

Jeff’s street evangelism is how I was introduced to Jeff’s ministry. Needless to say, it’s been a huge blessing and I’ve learned a lot from not only from his debates, sermons, and podcast, but also from watching him share the gospel with Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, pro choice advocates, and everyone in between. Seeing him use apologetics with real life application is inspiring. He’s one of the very, very few I watch doing this that truly exhibit the fruit of the spirit when he hits the streets sharing the gospel. Firm, consistent, but with a posture of grace. May God continue to bless his entire ministry. I pray the seeds planted grow with these JW.

These women and men identified as 10:47 Jehovahs witnesses spend countless hours as demonstrated in this video to seek those out who are not versed in the law and eager to learn with humility of mind and heart . They seek not to me know or draw followers to them but to Gods kingdom and message . They do this voluntarily and are not paid to do this work . They pursue peace with their neighbors and are good citizens who most neighbors would enjoy having . The are law abiding citizens and their goal is simply to honor Jehovah God I’m word and truth backed up with action . They don’t claim to be perfect and humbly will listen to others and they use the Bible as Gods authority not lording it over others . They recognize it means everlasting life taking in knowledge . Accurate d knowledge of Gods word and are willing to study with others who do not know the Bible . Jeff it seems knows the Bible as do others. The devil too is knowledgeable of the Bible and uses what he knows to confuse others and mislead as the Bible teaches . I don’t get Jeff’s point in recording these women who committed their to gone God by volunteering their time free of charge . Jessie didn’t seek those out were versed in the law but those starving spiritually and lacking knowledge. It would see on the surface he is having a peaceful conversation with them but is drawing attention to himself . I assure you he didn’t ask their permission to record this video of them and post it . This is a violation of their rights and perhaps sate law . What’s the point but to draw attention to himself and draw followers to him . Jehovah’s Witness also honor their God by not giving glory to themselves as other religious leaders do . It’s interesting that we know Jehovahs witness’s when we see them but they give their glory to God . They don’t attract attention to themselves specifically as Reverend or Most holy father so and so ..as others do . They are the only ones who we know as group of people that give credit to God and seek not to attract others to them as reverend or priest . They don’t attract followers or members . They don’t take up collections of money that are entrusted to one person . They money they do have is used for the worldwide work education work to teach others and give to others freely the knowledge of God by means of books, magazines, Watchtower track, magazines, awake magazines that harmonize with Gods authority the Bible . Who really is the faithful and discreet slave, dispensing the food at the proper time and not for profit? Jehovah’s Witness give freely because they received freely from their Heavenly Father .

After shooting you MUST tell them that they were shooted and ask them for permission to put this video on youtube. It is according to USA law. So you broke the law and you are not real christian

Trinity still makes zero sense to me even after this

So much information in this video. I especially appreciate the mutual respect between them.

Jesus himself says himself in revelations he says " I am the Omega and Alpha the beginning and the end , the Lord Almighty " Jesus literally say it in revelations. He is The Omega and Alpha beginning and the end. Which is the exact quote GOD the Great I Am says. I do believe it says all this in Revelations chapter 1.

Jesus is the Son of God Jehovah is Almighty God! Jesus asked Peter who am I Peter said you are the Son of God, Jesus said you answered correctly! If Jesus was Jehovah Jesus would have corrected Peter, by saying No Peter I'm actually Jehovah in the flesh, BUT JESUS DIDN'T, because Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN son of Jehovah

How can you explain this Matthew 3:16 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

Leave them alone and go and help others ,u don't need r9 preaching h to them they sold if there faith,go seek people like u ,and help them ,,all distractions ,they got work to do u holding them up,thanks u know alot about the Bible, so sldo they ,have nice day

the original old greek text does help but many bibles have removed gods name ok

Thank you Jeff, i just met a lovely JW and this conversation equipped me to have a meaningful and powerful conversation with them 🙏

Pastor Jeff, what a gracious dialogue with those lost Jehovah Witnesses. Blessings to you and your family

I will just say, check the facts about the cross you have around your neck. The Babylons and the Egyptians used that symbol,long before Christians started to used it. Interesting detail of history. Check for your self. Have a good day everyone.

This was beautiful to behold. God bless you all and may the Holy Spirit lead these two women to the true Gospel of Jesus Christ! Praise His name!

Why was this filmed secretly from a distance and a hidden mic. People do not appreciate being recorded without their permission.

Let's consider a very important point in this approach. The JWs are preaching the gospel in a passive way and do not charge anything for it, including all the literature they have is free and even Bibles are distributed free of charge. The pastor who approached them already has a website to sell his literature and invites people to give it a thumbs up and sign up, which brings him followers and money. How can we believe in a person with these interests?

Pastor,you are mistaken. Jesus said ,"the Father is greater than i "john 14 : 28. Jesus is created by his Father. Colossians 1 :15. He is the FIRST BORN OF ALL CREATION. Plain as day . Jesus was given all authority by his Father. Pastor is confused & trying so hard to confuse others when it is plain that Jehovah is the Almighty God.

The first Apologia Studio video that I watched (5 years ago) was Pastor Jeff witnessing to Mormons. I’m already a Christian, BUT the video convicted me that I did not know the Bible well enough. I’ve been sincerely working on that! Daily reading Gods word. Thank-you Jeff and Apologia Studios!!

BIBLE TRUTH Just as it was with the wicked Pharisees, they argued with Christ on a daily basis. No matter what he spoke or did. It meant nothing to them. Because truth was not in them. I tell you the truth a great multitude will not listen to the things of God because truth they don't want. They don't hunger for it, they don't look for it, They want the glory of men and so, it would be given them. And so they continue senseless, bickering arguing and fighting. If you continue to fight that Jesus is God Almighty and not the son of man in a normal sense, the son of God. You will by no means enter the kingdom of God. For the kingdom of God draws the humble, the simple, uneducated and the teachable. Those hungering for truth, God's word is truth. Many is roving about in this time of the end and the abundance of Truth is being poured out. This scripture you just heard is fulfilled. Daniel 12:4 Be a partaker of everlasting life instead of a partaker of everlasting destruction. Jehovah doesn't make it difficult for people to get the sense of these things. The devil and Men, wicked men make it difficult to get the sense of these things. For your argument is equal to the wicked Pharisees. It is empty, vain and futile. Just as Jesus said "why do I even bother to speak to you at all" John 8:25 (nwt) the wicked Pharisees had their reward in full. The glory of men. They are dead, unconscious of nothing at all and in this state, they shall remain forever. If this is what you want by your fighting, then, continue doing so to your last breath. I have told you the truth, so I only speak from the scriptures and not from the opinion of men. Just as it was with the wicked pharisees, your fight is not against us Jehovah's Witnesses, oh no, in fact, it is against God and his name is Jehovah. The universal Sovereign of the universe, our grand creator.

Jehovah's Witnesses are the ones fulfilling Matthew 24:14

BIBLE TRUTH Food for thought. It is said in the Holy Trinity that God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are equal and in one person, God. Trinity is not the case, Deuteronomy 6:4 Jehovah is one. Psalms 83:18, Jehovah is the Most High God. ISAIAH 40:25 STATES, JEHOVAH DOESN'T HAVE AN EQUAL Jesus Christ is simply, the son of God John 10:36 in a sense of normality like Gabriel is. Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is a king and a "PRINCELY " ruler or "KING ANGEL". (Angels of God are sometimes called a PRINCE Daniel 10:13) Revelation 9: 11, this is Jesus Christ, he is an angel. 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel and the Bible teaches only one archangel exist. Holy spirit, it's simply God's active force, an energy, his power. Elaborating further on Holy Spirit, at Isaiah 40:26 the Bible states that God is full of dynamic "ENERGY", power. This is what Holy spirit is, it is God's actove force or controlled energy. One day Jesus blew onto his disciples Holy Spirit, (John 20:22) was Jesus blowing out the so-called godhead Holy Spirit onto the disciples? No. One day Jesus was surrounded by a crowd of people and a woman with a flow of blood touched him. So Jesus responded and said 'who touched me".... "because I felt "POWER" go out of me". Luke 8: 45 Once again, was it the so-called godhead Holy Spirit that Jesus felt coming out of himself? Absolutely not. As you can read Jesus stated he felt "POWER" go out of himself. (godhead has been inserted in some Bible translations. It is a spurious title that was omitted in some modern translations.) Just as man has electricity and he controls it. A man can turn on the light bulb over 100 miles away with a flick of a switch. Likewise, God can do the same thing but with something superlative. How? He does it with Holy Spirit. In fact, it is not a being but it's "ENERGY" or an active force that God controls. A car battery, it stores raw energy, power. But when it leaves the battery it's a controlled power, it operates your radio, your car seat, Windows etc. The Bible says that God is full of dynamic energy, power. He created the physical universe which would take tremendous energy, "POWER". The famous scientist Albert Einstein said energy can produce matter. It took tremendous "Energy" to produce the physical universe which God contain. So why do the Bible sometimes call the Holy Spirit he? And why is it said to teach and remind one of God's word? Just as a man has figurative expressions, Jehovah God has figurative expressions. So, in a figurative expression holy spirit is sometimes called a he or said to teach and can remind one of God's word. To illustrate, sometimes we as humans call our car or toy animal a particular human name. Does that make that toy animal or car a living person? No. It's just a figure of speech. So likewise, "HE" "TEACHES" ls just a figure of speech by God. What justifies that Holy Spirit is not Trinity but an active force or controlled energy of God? As a reminder, the Bible refers to the Holy Spirit as God's "power" Isaiah 40:26 Jesus stated that he felt "power" go out of himself when a woman with a flow of blood touched him. But the Bible also refers to Holy Spirit as something else that cements the fact, Holy spirit is an energy, it's a something. If you take a look at Numbers chapter 11 and verse 17, hear God refers to Holy Spirit as an ....."it". Would you call your mother or your father an... "it'? How much more so God wouldn't refer to himself as an.."it" Here at Numbers 11:17 Jehovah said he would take SOME of his Holy spirit and place "it" on the 70 elders. If we apply the Trinity notion, So God then, divided himself up, one part is on Moses, 70 pieces is on the 70 elders and then, let's not forget Trinity is three persons one God. So then, God is going to divide himself up 74 times. Does that make sense? And then he's going to lay on top of these individuals or possess them. The only thing that possesses humans is demons this is what the Bible teaches... good angels and God possesses no one. Now let's apply Bible truth. An "ENERGY" or "ACTIVE FOTCE" This makes better sense. That's why God said underscore "SOME" Holy Spirit and refers to his Holy Spirit as an... "it", controlled active force of God. Jehovah is not trinity no more than Casper the friendly Ghost a living being. Be humble and accept the reality that God is not a trinity in any variation.

I love that last commendation from the white hair lady..."you truly know your Bible"🙌

I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses all my life. I only started questioning it when I read H M Sealey's Kingdom Rising novels - they seemed to hold a mirror up to what I was doing and who "the King" actually was. I really had to wrestle with myself and God. I now believe JW theology is a human way of trying to understand God without the Holy Spirit. It sort of makes logical sense until you actually start studying theology, then it all falls apart.

Sir I think you met the best witnesses ever. Loved how they were so free to air their views. Most of them don’t . I love their energy, it’s a proof they both seek Truth.

BIBLE TRUTH Let's be honest here. During the apostolic age, no one sounds, preachers, or use expressions and titles like Jeff. I repeat, when they preached, Whenever Peter spoke about the truth orJames, Jesus himself and the apostle Paul. No one, absolutely no one, sounds like Jeff durbin. The style, the sound, the language is a spewing off a tangent completely in contrast, different. Look at all those special expressions and titles he uses, Jesus EQUAL with God, God man, God incarnate, holy spirit is God, Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead, Jesus raised himself from the dead, triunity, three Eternal persons, three persons one being of God, Jesus shares God's glory. Take a look at all these expressions and titles above and go to your own Bible, please and see for yourself. Does the bible say that? You will see the answer is absolutely Not. How can you trust what Jeff is saying, when nothing he says matches the Bible. Let's go on to Philippians 2:4, here is a great mistake as well. Jeff is teaching that this scripture is saying, Jesus to be EQUAL with God. Really? This scripture is NOT implying that Jesus is equal with God. How so? The new world translation of the Holy scriptures, I will put it out there, it's the most ACCURATE Bible in the world with powerful CLARITY. (Bible translation, processes and procedure, applied to the fullest degree) Let's examine Philippians 2: 5-6 clarified - it reads, "KEEP THIS MENTAL ATTITUDE IN YOU", that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, did not even consider the idea of trying to be equal to God." Now when you take a look at it with clarification, do it sound like Jesus to be equal with God? Absolutely NOT. Besides, look at verse 5 CLOSELY, it's an Admonition to you, meaning to everyone who's reading this. This is an INSTRUCTIVE or ADMONITION that we do the same as Christ. Keeping this mental attitude, what attitude? HUMILITY. To be HUMBLE. Since the scripture is saying an Admonition for all, if we were to apply trinitarians notion, then the admonition would be keep this mental attitude that was also in Christ, that you're equal with God. Is this the case? Of course not. But with the Bible, with clarity, now it makes sense. Keep this mental attitude that was in Christ, May you be humble like Christ was. Makes sense? Absolutely. So Philippians 2: 5 - 6 once again, this text is an Admonition instructing us to be, HUMBLE like Christ was. Though Jesus is the second greatest percentage in the universe, the Bible teaches he didn't try to seize equality with God as Satan the Devil did. Satan, he's a very lower ranking Angel at that. If anyone was to try to be God would it not be more likely Christ? But he remained humble and this is what we're instructed to do. Philippians 2:4-6. Get it? The part that states he existing in God's form the Greek word used was mor·pheʹ which basically means, nature, likeness. shape or form . God is a spirit, and in this sense, Jesus is a spirit just as the other angels are. No more or less. John 4:24 1 John 3:2 Please call your local congregation of Jehovah's witnesses and request a Bible study. It can be done via video zoom, e-mail, letter or in person. It's absolutely free and flexible. You can also request a Bible study through our website.

I had my first encouter with JW's yesterday since they blacklisted my previous house. It really reminded me of just how much a works based salvation simply does not work.

One thing I fear is that those who fervently think they’re Christians but who believe in a different Jesus are the most resistant to the Message. Those who know they’re not Christians know it and don’t argue that point.

Jeff be honest...let them know you are filming!

BIBLE TRUTH Jeff, the King James version was translated by trinitarians so sometimes you use expressions or titles that doesn't exist. So I asked you this question. Where does it say that Jesus would share the NATURE of God? At 1 john 3:2, the bible says that once taken from the earth they will appear before God's person and they would see him for what he truly is and they will BECOME LIKE HIM. Jeff, according to you, they'll be sharing God's NATURE. Therefore, you're teaching polytheism, I thought you to be a trinitarian? Surname apologetics?

BIBLE TRUTH Jehovah taught us Witnesses very well his way. We Jehovah's Witnesses can reason powerfully like a dam, we hold back the fullness of our power of reasoning from the scriptures. We could overwhelm one in an instant in knowledge, if we wanted to. But we're admonished not to do so out of respect of the listener. We hold back the dam of our full might that our listener will be respected and dignified, therefore, more willing to listen. We are not out to destroy but out to fulfill the kingdom message. Matthew 24:14

What a lovely demonstration of a caring Christian. I learn so much everytime I listen to you!!!

I love the guy sitting near them just listening and soaking it in! God bless you Pastor Jeff.

BIBLE TRUTH😅 *All statements 1 through 9 is founded to be untrue. 1 "Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God" 2. "Three persons one God' 3. "Jesus being god, raised himself up from the dead" 4. "Three internal persons" 5. "Jesus is equal with Jehovah" 6. "Shares Jehovah's Glory" 7. "Jesus is God" 8. "Jesus is the Creator" 9 "Everything God was the word was" Nowhere in the Bible does it state these expressions used by Jeff. listed above 1. through .9 CHALLENGE - show me scriptures to all these expressions and words listed above. It Doesn't exist, you would not be able to find it. Trinitarians use a lot of counterfeit expressions and words not mentioned in any Bible. God incarnate, God in the flesh, god man, Christmas and Easter etc. These or expressions sounds like something religious or in the Bible but it doesn't exist. This was prophesied about by the apostle Peter. Preaching counterfeit words 2 Peter 2:3 At John 1:1 'in the beginning was the word". Trinitarians say in Greek, it is embedded in this text that it means the farthest in the past. This is incorrect, there is no Greek word listed at John 1:1 that ties in*forever in the past" in meaning. In reality Arch", Greek word it's used in a normal vernacular as we use it in our vernacular in English meaning the Chief or leader. There is no connotation or text permission to such thought of "farthest in the past" at John 1:1. Jehovah doesn't have a beginning. So the question is, what are they talking about, beginning" it is something for you to review. I could explain the beginning but that's another story. Trinitarians believe that Jesus Christ and Jehovah is a Mighty God, so, therefore, the same person, really? Mighty God,(El Gibbor) is a relative word. Other words, it can be applied to any person or thing. Example, the mighty mountains, mighty Angels, mighty Sea, mighty warriors etc. In definition only - Jehovah's mighty meaning with great power, great strength or much responsibility. The demarcation between Jehovah and Jesus is the word "Almighty" God. You would never find this title attached to Jesus Christ. This is an absolute word since it can only be applied to Jehovah God. Almighty is supreme the highest in power and authority. Exodus 6: 3 Genesis 6:4 Revelation 19:18 2 Thessalonians 1:7 2 Kings 24:14 Trinitarian state, Jesus is claiming to be God in relation to John 8: Here at John 8: 56 to 59 Jesus is not identifying himself as God the "I AM" of Exodus 3: 14 based upon the discussion that was going on between Jesus and the Jews. They were not talking about IDENTITY but they were talking about TIME. How so? John 8:57 the Jews said to Jesus "you're not even 50 and yet you seen Abraham"? This is why the Jews wanted to Stone Jesus because he's not even 50 and yet he's saying he saw Abraham which would make him hundreds and hundreds of years old. Get it? The King James version, the vernacular is sometimes ambiguous, it's difficult for the scripture to be understood properly. Here's a few Bible translations that will help you get the correct understanding of John 8:56 to 59 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been" -New world translation of the Holy scriptures 2023 1935: “I existed before Abraham was born!” The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed 1869: “From before Abraham was, I have been.” The New Testament, by G. R. Noyes Straight to the point. Jesus is the son of God in a normal manner. If you take a look at Isaiah 9:6, it's latter portion. It mentions that Jesus will have a PRINCELY rule. Emphasizing on PRINCE, WE DON'T HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT A PRINCE IS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WHAT A PRINCE IS. JEHOVAH, OUR GRAND CREATOR is not a PRINCE. The only existing beings in the heavens referred to as a prince are angels, and that's inclusive of Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Daniel 10:13 Therefore, Jesus is a king and a prince or King angel. So do the Bible ever mentions a king angel? Yes! Turn over to Revelation chapter 9 verse 11. This is no other than, Jesus Christ. Hear this angel is a king at the same time!!! Jesus said, at Matthew 28: 18 "all authority has been given me in heaven and earth"and that would include the abyss. Genesis 3:15 the first prophecy uttered says that Jesus will crush the head of Satan, ultimately killing him. At Revelation 9:11 it gives the angel of the abyss two other names ABADDON, Hebrew for destruction and A·polʹlyon, Greek for destroyer. The demons know that Jesus will soon destroy them. Mark 124 Some religions teach that the angel of the abyss is Satan. Really? Turn over to Revelation chapter 20: 1-3 Emphasizing on a KEY that was given to the angel of the abyss here's the key again and this Angel which is Jesus Christ is chaining Satan and throwing him into the abyss. The demons know that Jesus has the authority even over the abyss Matthew 8:31 Trinity has been shown to be fraudulent and it acquired its start at the council of nicea of 325 A.D it's full blown version at the Constantinople meeting of 381 A.D. the decision made at the Constantinople meeting, were they correct? According to the bible, absolutely not. Frankly, at Isaiah 40:25 the Bible States Jehovah God doesn't have an equal. So if God doesn't have an equal, how could he be Trinity? Also, first John 3:2 the Bible States that even the apostles didn't know what God's elaborated form was. The elaborated detail of God's form, his Spirit body is not granted for us humans to know. This scripture above is mentioning that once a person dies and is granted access to heaven and appears before God's person, then he will come to know the elaborated form of God. He has granted us that he is a spirit John 4:24 BIBLE TRUTH Jehovah God is not a trinity in any variation. He doesn't have an equal Isaiah 40:25. Nor is he three and yet one Deuteronomy 6:4 Besides, Jehovah says at Isaiah 46:9, 10 ' I am God and there is no one else, I am God and there is no one like me and I will do whatever I please". In contrast, Jesus says "I cannot do whatever I please"and you wonder why? Just as it is with other angels and humans, we cannot do whatever we want to. Not even demons can do whatever they want to. Jehovah, our grand creator is the ultimate in authority that we all will answer to. Romans 9:28 Jesus is the son of God in a normal manner. Matthew 16:16,17 At Isaiah 9:6 in the latter portion he will have a PRINCELY rule. Since he is a king he will also be a PRINCE a king prince or a king angel. Angels are sometimes referred to as a prince Daniel 10:13. Jehovah God is never called a prince in this sense and we know what a prince is, it needn't be defined. Isaiah 9:6 states that Jesus will be a king, as well as, he will have a princely rule. He then is a king Prince or King angel. Does the bible ever mention of a king angel? Yes!!! at Revelation 9: 11 the Bible talks about the king Angel of the abyss, this is Jesus Christ. Revelation 20: 1-3 3 He also has two other names mentioned in this text which means in essence a destroyer or destruction. The first prophecy Genesis 3:15 Jesus will soon crush the head of Satan the devil destroying him. And so this Angel of the abyss is given these names meaning he is designated to soon destroy Satan. Since Genesis 3:15 says Jesus will kill Satan, do it make sense an angel will do it? Jesus is the Angel of the abyss. It is up to you to be humble and accept what God is telling you this day. For the Bible and it's truth can remove deeply false entrenched things. 2 Corinthians 10:4 simply put, the story of Abraham and Isaac foreshadows the reality above. Jehovah, our grand creator, is the greater Abraham. Jesus, our appointed King by jehovah, is the greater Isaac. No more no less. It was a great sacrifice that the almighty sent his first born son Jesus other known as Michael to the Earth that through him him we have the hope of everlasting life. The sacrifice of his dear son was the greatest pain the almighty have ever experienced that Satan inflicted. Satan would love to destroy his chief enemy, which is Jehovah God, but he can't. So he does the next best thing for himself, he hurts those whom God loves, therefore, he hurts God. Get it? And as long as people believe in Trinity. Satan hides this greatest act of love of God; that he sacrificed his only begotten son for us. John 3:16 .So this is what Jehovah has said get up and get out of the mist of her if you do not want to receive the plague that is destined to come upon her, false religion 2 Corinthians 6:17

That was one of the best none belligerent conversations I have ever seen beautiful....

I want to see Jeff talk with the Hebrew Roots Movement people next.

Thank you brother for sharing The Truth, The Life and The Love

BIBLE TRUTH Colossians 1:16 with applied Bible translation procedure we are persuaded that through Christ all things were created. He being one of those creatures. The connotation gives us that idea that he was the first created is by the previous verse :15, which mentions he is the IMAGE of God, similar to Adam made in the IMAGE of God Genesis 1:27 and it mentions he is the FIRSTBORN of creation. When we look at the word FIRSTBORN, the connotation translation process tells us it's in a sense of normality. If you overlay Colossians 1:15 and 16, in original Greek text. This is exactly what the Bible writer is conveying. Christ is the first of God's creation, no more or less. And it mentions the word All in verse 15 twice. Put both together Jesus FIRST BORN in ALL in relation to CREATION together, what do you have? The first born and through him All things. Now put it in a vernacular making sense. That through him all other things was created. Get it?

This is the kind of content that hooked me on Apologia years ago

John 14:28 near the end of that says: I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

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BIBLE TRUTH You think superficially. David is referred to as the firstborn is actually not referring to David but it's referring to the the prophecy of the greater David, Christ to come, A prophecy by Ezekiel who was not a contemporary of the time of King David. David foreshadowed, represent Jesus the greater David if you take a look at the scripture of when it was prophesied by Ezekiel David was long dead so it wasn't talking about David but was talking about the greater David the Christ the first born of God.

Lord, please awaken the hearts of these precious women….. They don’t know how desperately wicked they are, and how much they really need your grace and truth….. Lord Jesus, help. Grant them the true gospel. Amen.

At John 14:28 Jesus says "the father is greater than I am". At Matthew 3:17 After Jesus was baptized GOD said: This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.

I grow a garden every year at my home. I go around the neighborhood & give away vegetables. I came across a JW couple. Just gave them some vegetables. They wanted to talk about the kingdom of God. Unexpected blessing the two showed up to my house today. We talked for an hour. I learned a lot & so did they. Looking forward to sharing my faith again & keeping the door open for future discussions about Jesus.

BIBLE TRUTH Jehovah God is not a trinity in any variation. He doesn't have an equal Isaiah 40:25. Nor is he three and yet one Deuteronomy 6:4 Besides, Jehovah says at Isaiah 46:9, 10 ' I am God and there is no one else, I am God and there is no one like me and I will do whatever I please". In contrast, Jesus says "I cannot do whatever I please"and you wonder why? Just as it is with other angels and humans, we cannot do whatever we want to. Not even demons can do whatever they want to. Jehovah, our grand creator is the ultimate in authority that we all will answer to. Romans 9:28 Jesus is the son of God in a normal manner. Matthew 16:16,17 At Isaiah 9:6 in the latter portion he will have a PRINCELY rule. Since he is a king he will also be a PRINCE a king prince or a king angel. Angels are sometimes referred to as a prince Daniel 10:13. Jehovah God is never called a prince in this sense and we know what a prince is, it needn't be defined. Isaiah 9:6 states that Jesus will be a king, as well as, he will have a princely rule. He then is a king Prince or King angel. Does the bible ever mention of a king angel? Yes!!! at Revelation 9: 11 the Bible talks about the king Angel of the abyss, this is Jesus Christ. Revelation 20: 1-3 3 He also has two other names mentioned in this text which means in essence a destroyer or destruction. The first prophecy Genesis 3:15 Jesus will soon crush the head of Satan the devil destroying him. And so this Angel of the abyss is given these names meaning he is designated to soon destroy Satan and all that submit to his rule. Since Genesis 3:15 says Jesus will kill Satan, do it make sense an angel will? Jesus is the Angel of the abyss. It is up to you to be humble and accept what God is telling you this day. For the Bible and it's truths can remove deeply false entrenched things. 2 Corinthians 10:4 simply put, the story of Abraham and Isaac foreshadows the reality above. Jehovah, our grand creator is the greater Abraham. Jesus, our appointed King by jehovah is the greater Isaac. Get it? It was a great sacrifice that the Almighty sent his first born son Jesus other known as Michael to the earth. Through him, we have the hope of everlasting life. The sacrifice of his dear son was the greatest pain the Almighty have ever experienced, that Satan inflicted. Satan would love to destroy his chief enemy, which is Jehovah God, but he can't. So he does the next best thing for himself, he hurts those whom God loves, therefore, he hurts God. Get it? And as long as people believe in Trinity. Satan hides this greatest act of love of God; that he sacrificed his only begotten son for us. John 3:16

Jeff I just wanna say that I am grateful for the work u are doing out there ! You are a great representative of Christian’s with the way you conduct yourself ! You know the Bible inside and out and you also come across very respectful ! Thank you for all the work you do

I am just another EX. JW here. I an 77 years YOUNG. Fantastic discussion,really the best I have seen and heard. I thought i really MUST explain how I came to make sense of the TRINITY. So here is my story. God himself, for whatever reason decided to explain it to me using a simple illustration that even I could understand. When I was a young guy I was dating a girl who later became my wife. Now only a young guy could understand this. BUT; . . . Here goes. I bought a 1967 Chevell (Chevy). And I loved everything about that car. When I finally got around to meeting my then girlfriends parents, I found out her Dad was a very passionate FORD guy. Bought a new ford every year. As far as he was concerned a Chevy was a piece of junk. For the next thirty years , right up to the day he died I drove Chevy's and he drove Ford's. OK. Now here is GOD's illustration spoken audible to me. He said "Gerald if you wanted a new Ford" ? ? ? "Who would be more important; The guy digging the "iron ore" out of the ground. Or the guy working in the "steel mill" making the "iron ore" into "steel" or the guy working at the "Ford factory" making the "steel" into a new "Ford" car. So I realized immediately that GOD has a sense oh humor. But even more than that. He wanted me to make the connection that the new "Ford" in this illustration was really "Eternal life" in "Paradise". Soooo, If I want to have an opportunity to live fore ever in a good place and not a bad place I must realize that the "FATHER" and the "SON" and the "HOLY SPIRIT" all play a role in this. If even one were to go missing. Guess what? ? ? NO NEW FORD(eternal life in "HEAVEN" with GOD) ! ! ! :( :( :(

Thank you for this. There have been JW around the corner from my office for the past few months and I could not figure out how to approach them. This encourages me to do so. What a pleasant conversation. To Christ be the glory.

BIBLE TRUTH Many trinitarians misunderstand what Bible translation is all about. How does Bible translation take place? listing a few steps, not all, the Bible vernacular, converted to the language desired. The use of Figurative expressions, idioms, slang and so forth, matched to the desired language. It's not about word for word, letter for letter, verbatim as most people think. But it's about translating the message of the Bible writer coupled with clarity, the vernacular of another language without altering the Bible writers view or message. Good example. A teacher tells a student to read a certain paragraph. Then the teacher afterwards says now explain what is being said in your own words, that's Bible translation. There is no known Bible that is an exact match of original Greek and Hebrew. And so Bible translators where words are missing, misunderstood or unknown in the time that it was being translated. We look at the context, subcontect and connotations throughout the Bible. Word comparisons to other words used in other parts of the Bible. Word connectors that broaden a particular word and its meaning to get a correct rendering of that word. Example, you take a look at the word that Jesus is the omly-begotten. We look for word connections or special characters surrounding the word that would broaden the scope of its meaning. Is there any word connectors to that, no. How about special characters around that title?, no. We look if there's any connotation or anything surrounding the word that would give it a different meaning, none found. Then we check and see how only begotten is used elsewherep and it's spelling. Eventually, we come to the conclusion based upon all the various elements in Bible translation that Jesus, the only begotten of God is in a sense of normality and the Bible does not give us any grant text permission to deviate from a sense of normality. Once again, how did the trinitarians get the grant permission to deviate from its normal sense, we don't know except the ruler of the world granted it to them. This was just a smal gleam of how Bible translation take place but there's a lot more involved. As a summation of things, the Bible will either give you a grant text permission to insert a word that highlights or clarify what the Bible writer is trying to convey or it will not give you a permission. Bible translation is about converting to one language to another language with clarity, not about altering and changing the scripture at all. In fact, the Bible was written in part koine Greek, they did not use the indefinite article "A". Try it. If you were to state that Jesus is just a God how would you say it in koine Greek? And remember, you can't use the indefinite article "A". It would be a difficult task. And so Bible translators are given the permission to insert the letter "A" that lends to the thought or connotation of subordinate or qualitative of something. Good example, at Acts. 28: 6 in original Greek, the Bible says Paul to be god. Therefore, based on trinitarian principal of John 1:1 let's apply it. Since the Bible stated in koine Greek that Paul "to be god'. We might as well say Jehovah, Jesus, the Holy Ghost and the apostle Paul is God and it's not four God's but one God co-equal in power and wisdom. Is this notion correct? Of course not. The process of Bible translation would not permit it. At acts 28: 6 it is read with clarity that Paul was a god. King James version. Lastly, koine Greek all the words were in lower case, none was capitalized The translator inserted capitalization where necessary based upon the process of Bible translation. The Bible grants permission to do so if it doesn't change the fabric of what the Bible writer is trying to convey. Bible text conversion to another language language with Clarification is the objective. This is Bible translation. Get it? Colossians 1:15 Bible translation process was used at its fullest. The new world translation of the Holy scriptures of Jehovah's witnesses is not an addition of the Holy Scriptures. It is a Bible converted in one language to another language with clarity, that's all, nothing more. If you take a look again at Colossians 1:15 along with John 1:1, now add Bible translation processes, it will come to the conclusion just as we stated that Jesus was first and through him all other things came to be. An exact match of what the Bible writer is conveying. Jehovah wants a close relationship with everyone. And in order to do so, everyone must know how to worship him acceptably. So CLARITY is a must without change of what the Bible writer is conveying.

I am teaching an apologetics class tomorrow on the JW's. The approach and discussion were spot on. I love your heart for the lost and confused. Thank you so much!

Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

BIBLE TRUTH In Trinity, the vernacular of our common language. Has been altered by trinitarians. They broaden the scope of its original definition without any connotations or scriptural text permissions. Case example, the word ONLY-BEGOTTEN has been altered by trinitarians to mean something more than its origination. In more RECENT times some scholars have advanced the view that the Greek word μονογενης (monogenes) DOES NOT mean 'only begotten', as in the Authorised (King James) Version, but 'one of a kind' or 'unique' or something equivalent which omits the concept of 'begotten'. Where do trinitarians get the grant permission to alter the normal vernacular sense of the word? Absolutely the Bible does not grant them the text permission based upon Bible translation processes.

Hello mr. Jeff! Have you noticed the chapters and verses you're quoting, none of those explicitly said the trinity or it's concept of having one being 3PERSONS? Jn 17, php 2, etc., they discussed only 2persons? Nowhere to implicate 3n1 Perons. You may supply it but It's not trinitarian, perhaps BINITARIAN beliefs. Don't you? Unless you're ADDING to the Word of God. Trinitarian belief doesn't fit all of your proof text. In any angle, they tell only two persons. Not 3persons, am i ignorant here or we both?

The greatest tool you have to use is to implore them to research themselves. It's discouraged by the watchtower and nearly every single concert states they started to question JW after researching questions they had on their own.

I used to be a Jehovah’s Witness and now I am a Protestant Christian. One thing I learned is what save us is believing that God raised Jesus from the dead and confessing with the mouth that Jesus is Lord. We are going to be judged by what we have not but knew .. that is what Jesus said.

I wish the title wasn’t so click baity but I’m guilty for clicking. This conversation was excellent! So respectful and loving, what a picture of love. Well done Jeff!

Not so amazing. You seem to be very confused about God because Jesus said "all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me " So the question is WHO gave this authority to Jesus ? So God has entrusted HIS SON to bring judgement to this earth and has appointed his son to judge the earth, and so Jesus figures so much in the outworking of God's plan that people often think that Jesus is God, but this is not the case, and to prove this I am going to show you one chapter out of many in the Bible which proves Jesus is not God. Take a look at 1 Cor 15; and Vs 24 to begin with which says: Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. QUESTION: So WHO does Jesus hand over the kingdom too ? WHO puts all enemies under his feet ? Now Vs 28-7-28 which says For God “subjected all things under his feet.”But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. QUESTION: WHO does the son subject himself to ? Does it look like Jesus is God here, considering God does NOT have a God himself ? Please give your witness, Jesus has a God, so now please show us from the Bible were it tells us that Jehovah has a God himself ??

JWs and even LDS are some of the most passionate people for their faith, working so very hard to live their faith out in every way. But their faith is built on lies, and even one tiny little lie about God, changes everything. They don’t really know the God they think they know, so how can they even be saved? Most of them are not saved, sadly. It is such a tragedy. The wolves in sheeps clothes, the false prophets, they will have the millstone and the sea to face..

Witnesses sadly cannot or will not wrap their head around the Trinity. They always automatically go to Modalism, because that is what they are taught that the Trinity is. I believe it's a spiritual blindness, we need to pray for them. My parents and many family members are in it. Please pray for them

You dont know Greek grammar I mean I respectfully disagree with your references to Greek. Colossians 1:15 & 16 is proper in the New World Translation because there are other instances that "other" is added where it doesn't exist in the Greek because context allows for its use. (See Acts 5:29. "Other" is not in the main text in Greek) As regards John 1:1 it is well established that the last part of John 1:1c should read "καὶ ὁ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος. For English to read "and God was the Word." However the definite article "ό" or "τόν" is not in the Greek text in reference to the second use of God (θεός), God should be translated in the c part of John 1:1 as "a God" or "like God" or "Divine" And possibly either the earliest or one of the earliest translations from Greek; DOES INDEED TRANSLATE John 1:1c as "and a God was the word" The Sehitic Coptic translation from the end of the first century to before the second half of the second century had and uses the indefinite article (ⲩ) before the title "God" (ⲛⲟⲩⲧⲉ). While John 1:1b uses the definite article (ⲡ) before (ⲛⲟⲩⲧⲉ). This is very important because prior to this debate and before the Nicene Creed; John 1:1c was understood in the first and second century as the word was like God but not the God he was with. "ϩⲛ̅ ⲧⲉϩⲟⲩⲉⲓⲧⲉ ⲛⲉϥϣⲟⲟⲡ ⲛ̅ϭⲓ ⲡϣⲁϫⲉ. ⲁⲩⲱ ⲡϣⲁϫⲉ ⲛⲉϥϣⲟⲟⲡ ⲛ̅ⲛⲁϩⲣⲙ̅ (ⲡⲛⲟⲩⲧⲉ.) ⲁⲩⲱ (ⲛⲉⲩⲛⲟⲩⲧⲉ) ⲡⲉ ⲡϣⲁϫⲉ." ( ) mine to highlight "God" vs "a God" ⲁⲩⲱ = and (και greek) ⲛⲉ = imperfect converter prefix and converts following verb to the imperfect tense ⲩ = a - singular indefinite article (no greek equivalent)

Jeff, You are so messed up in your theology. All your arguments actually prove the trinity to be false and pagan. As an example, Hebrews 1:3 calls Jesus Christ “the exact imprint of God”. This term is TEMPORAL, which means he had a beginning. Need some more examples ?

Glory to Jesus... Keep doing what you are doing sir.

He certainly got his point across and was polite.

BIBLE TRUTH you say much that means nothing. Can a man speak many words that's empty, without meaning? Many, I tell you are without understanding. If you continue to fight that Jesus is God and not the son of God in the sense of normality. You positively will not inherit God's Kingdom. For the children, the humble, the simple and uneducated will go in but not you. Who is without understanding.

When it comes to Col 1:15 what the pastor does not reveal, hides or is ignorant of, is the fact that Col 1:15 is a Partitive Genitive, just as we see in Rev 1:5, where Jesus is "the firstborn of/from th dead, he is of class, group, category "dead", likewise, in Col 1:15 Jesus is of creation, he is of class, group, category "creation", he is "of creation", just as he is "of the dead"! Trinitarian translators know this and try and hide the Partitive Genitive in Col 1:15; the NIV being a perfect example of this: "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation." The Greek adjective "pases" does not mean "over all", this is a deliberate attempt by Trinitarian scholars to deceive their readers, "pases" is in the genitive form and therefore means "of creation", not "over creation", not only that, those biased Trinitarian translations that do have "over all creation" contradict other Trinitarian translations which translate the Greek properly as "the firstborn of all creation"! The KJV and other translations have "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature", did the KJV translators and other translators get it wrong! The Greek noun "κτίσεως" (creation) is also in the Genitive Form and correctly( technically) be "of (all) creation" and is based on the root term "ktisis" when conveys the thought of an act of product... We see the same the same word used in Mark 10:6; 13:9; Rom 8:19; 2 Pet 3:4... and carries the same meaning as it does in Col 1:15. I've come across pastors like "Pastor Jeff Durbin" and they pounce upon unsuspecting Witnesses; what he needs to do is to pounce upon a seasoned Apologist JW, who understands how Greek works, the average person who reads the bible, any bible may not understand the niceties of Koine Greek! Pastor Jeff Durbin, is biased and slips up in other matters too, not just Col 1:15, which I selected as an examples, as it came up early! A. Graham (Apologist JW) [Former Trinitarian of 20 years]