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Amazing Film Shows 1968 College Students Arguing Then Black Students Walk Out 

David Hoffman
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This is an incredible filmed sequence where we recorded a meeting which took place at the University of Illinois in the spring of 1968. Student political leaders, radicals, administrators and professors as well as people from the “community” were invited to speak together live on national television. Seeing conversations with no editing on national television was and in my view still is, amazingly real. Raw. Even though people were aware that they were being filmed, they presented themselves and how they felt as best they could. I was just a cameraman but I could see and feel the reality.
As this clip shows, communication between the groups who were there proved difficult and at the end, most attendees felt that little was accomplished. Somewhat reminiscent of today I would say. Sad.
Many have commented about this debate ( the attendees did not see this as a debate but merely as a chance to express their points of view and hear the points of view of others) and how we could not have a similar debate today as the country is so fractured. My remembrance is that back in 1968, the country was fractured, possibly as fractured as we seem to be today, at the end of 2022. I can specifically remember people attending Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners with their families and finding it unable to go through the ceremonies because the subject of Vietnam or race relations came up and caused people to fight with such passion that a family celebration turned into a yelling match.
Also remember that this kinescope recording was taking place shortly before a segment of Black Americans came to support the Black Panther Party who expressed a Malcolm X point of view that violence would be necessary to achieve justice as they saw it.
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Комментарии : 9 тыс.   
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker 2 года назад
Another film from the 1960s-1970s revealing how police saw what they were doing during difficult riots etc. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PcU6WozmSHY.html David Hoffman filmmaker
@longlivegrandson3333
@longlivegrandson3333 2 года назад
Holy shit, Mr.Hoffman.... this exactly how the left is today. Metaphorically speaking of course. For some years now, it's been this way where you just cant seem to please anyone. Even when the majority of people in office are fighting for those or their ideals.. But you know what? They're about to overturn Roe v Wade, and in my opinion call me crazy idk, I see a country prepared to go back towards the far right now and those kind of ideals be the more widely accepted and idk.. I don't know what to think of this other than history so very obviously repeating itself. Though I'd share my thoughts with ya! Would love to hear back as I am a huge fan of your work.
@longlivegrandson3333
@longlivegrandson3333 2 года назад
That Edward Shwartz seems like an alright guy idk. That "well gentleman I think we're uncovering racism here today" line was gold.
@ysosirius2886
@ysosirius2886 Год назад
Sadly, the Jesuit education system handpicks their prey the rest are fed to the sharks with a minimal education and student debt to this day
@Celtic_Iron
@Celtic_Iron 3 года назад
Back when students in their 20s looked 35+
@DJ5780
@DJ5780 3 года назад
Lol that's so true!
@apatameh5155
@apatameh5155 3 года назад
I was just thinking I'm 38 and I look younger than every single person in this.
@Tubbs777
@Tubbs777 3 года назад
compared to these guys I look like a 13 year old smh
@Tubbs777
@Tubbs777 3 года назад
@@apatameh5155 that's a good thing
@Offthbadan
@Offthbadan 3 года назад
Maybe from breathing in all that unfiltered cigarette smoke. 😤
@rudy7759
@rudy7759 2 года назад
“The fact that this discussion hasn’t gotten anywhere is a testament to how deep the problem is”
@brucegwynn8509
@brucegwynn8509 2 года назад
Amen, still talking the same old crap , it's either very tragic or very stupid and going nowhere
@doubleemcastillano464
@doubleemcastillano464 2 года назад
I disagree to an extent. There were several white students that said what the issue actually was, and I agree with them. The black people are preaching to the choir. They are debating and arguing with the universities which is a major supporter of their movement. The schools (for the most part) are not their enemy and I think since then, black people have come to realize that one of our biggest assets in creating the conversation and changing the standard is the higher academia. I think what we need now is to balance our argument. There’s things going waaay too far that are turning people against the movement. Like defunding STEM and having only black students show up to class and requesting all not black students stay at home for a few days. It’s following a doctrine that was enforced upon us when we shouldn’t be going tit for tat, we should be aiming to gain ground and equal footing and teaching to the next generation of Americans the current issues. The current issue is one of balancing the idea that black people were victims to the United States for hundreds of years vs teaching them that black people are normal US citizens. If you do too much of one, you end up overlooking the other when both are important in healing our communities.
@divineapology818
@divineapology818 2 года назад
@@doubleemcastillano464 There will be no healing in America because America refuses to admit to the atrocities committed against blacks. Even now, there's legislation to ban teaching of true American history in schools. Books about black history are being removed from school libraries-even a children's book about Rosa Parks has been removed. All of this under the veil of banning a theoretical construct that isn't even taught in schools. " Preaching to the choir" means telling people what they already know. You're right. America is well aware that there are disparities against black people in every area. There are plenty of studies and stats to back this up, but amending those issues are not and will never be a priority. And we have the nerve to tell black people to get over it, to stop talkin about it, and devote time and energy to the service of other causes. That is the deeper issue.
@hasbug223
@hasbug223 2 года назад
This whole video is "what about us" White People: "What about Vietnam?" Black People: "What about Racism?" Women: "What about Sexism?" The sad thing is that there are all correct, but even though they are all connected, someone will be left behind.
@danielgeci4513
@danielgeci4513 2 года назад
You are making the mistake of thinking there was ever a discussion. Reality is there was only a dog and pony show for both the black and white populace to suck up and be distracted by while the liberal democratic hegonomy is spread across the world at an alarming rate by Dem and rep alike. Geopolitics, world domination and the merger of private and public entities is the only thing both Dems and Reps agree on or care about. The fact anyone thinks social issues in politics is anything but a misdirection is why we may be doomed
@JamieHitt
@JamieHitt 2 года назад
This is the longest cigarette commercial I have ever seen.
@shayalkumar8209
@shayalkumar8209 2 года назад
Lol...😂🤣😂🤣🤣
@lumpydark6173
@lumpydark6173 2 года назад
Think i'd begin smoking too if I was there debatin'.
@Did.You.Forget
@Did.You.Forget 2 года назад
Girl. That should’ve been the discussion..if they only knew
@HomoSapienMan
@HomoSapienMan 2 года назад
lmao
@SingWithUkraine
@SingWithUkraine 2 года назад
Tobacco cigarettes were still cool but what is not cool the bunch of comments like this, so far from the point of the video.
@djm4854
@djm4854 2 года назад
I kept trying to figure out who the heck Diggett was...then I realized it was a DIG IT catchphrase. How 60s. LOLOLOL
@beasaroseco5840
@beasaroseco5840 2 года назад
😂🤣😂
@Mrgamer7281
@Mrgamer7281 2 года назад
Oh I thought that was someone’s name or something lmao
@nomanshigh3058
@nomanshigh3058 2 года назад
I'm right there with ya
@homer5802
@homer5802 2 года назад
I can dig it.
@shonenPUNK17
@shonenPUNK17 2 года назад
Wow....y'all been living under a rock for how long?
@simply_exploring
@simply_exploring 3 года назад
back when debates didn’t sound like a sitcom.
@isaacennis2077
@isaacennis2077 3 года назад
Facts
@beansntoastyt2616
@beansntoastyt2616 3 года назад
That’s a lot of generalizing for only about 100 “big” debates with politicians over the years, you shouldn’t have that kinda mindset
@VNExperience
@VNExperience 3 года назад
Noticeably missing the applauds for punchlines
@charliekowittmusic
@charliekowittmusic 3 года назад
@@beansntoastyt2616 Who said anything about politicians? Most debates today have lost their dialectical and problem-solving goals. It’s now a performance, cheering on a side, and trying to crush or embarrass your interlocutor.
@charliekowittmusic
@charliekowittmusic 3 года назад
Take, for example, a know-nothing reactionary like Ben Shapiro. He uses almost exclusively logical fallacies, and is known as the ‘cool kid’s hyper-logical philosopher’ for spewing out Breitbart propaganda at the speed of light. It’s an absolute embarrassment, yet he has the #1 political talk show podcast in the country (last time I checked).
@mikeandrews9944
@mikeandrews9944 3 года назад
"it is foolish to speak to someone who is not listening" -someone wiser than me
@bronzed0181
@bronzed0181 3 года назад
Racism is still thick, and ignored. Afraid of change...😢while we suffer because of it. I shouldn’t worry about my sins to go into the store because we live in a nice neighborhood. We must go out with our young people to keep them safe. 50 yrs, and it’s still the same.
@PajamaJazama
@PajamaJazama 3 года назад
​@@bronzed0181 There are still issues but it's not the same, don't be so glum man.
@Arccanos
@Arccanos 3 года назад
@@bronzed0181 Anyone who thinks racism is still "thick and ignored" is insane. Biggest problem impacting my people is my people. No data suggests otherwise.
@bronzed0181
@bronzed0181 3 года назад
What? Stop trolling. Either you white or trolling.
@bronzed0181
@bronzed0181 3 года назад
@@PajamaJazama ive been around long enough to know what’s true
@anashe11
@anashe11 2 года назад
I think this comment section is misunderstanding the fact that these students were aware their debate and entire conversation would be broadcasted nationally. Of course this is not representative of the everyday average classroom back then. I strongly strongly encourage you to attend a university debate event in today’s time because you’ll see our brilliant thinkers like these students today. Don’t get bogged down comparing this university’s absolute best to the typical debates and conversations going on today. I promise you there were idiots back then just like there are today the same way there were and still are brilliant and critical thinking minds. If anything we need to bring back this national broadcasting of University student debates to help ensure the smartest voices in academia today are heard over the noise of popularity online.
@MrAnimason
@MrAnimason 2 года назад
Exactly!
@williammoody1911
@williammoody1911 2 года назад
Just signed up for debating society!
@sb_dunk
@sb_dunk 2 года назад
@@MrTheclevercat You say the left Burn Loot Murder... Have you any examples of the left murdering as they please? I've only heard of right-wing ideologues killing those on the left (e.g. driving cars into crowds). The fact that you used that play on BLM indicates to me that you get a lot of your information from an echo chamber, it's also very likely that RU-vid serves up a lot of right-wing videos to you. So it's likely your view of discourse at universities is filtered through a right-wing lense, for example, through The Daily Wire or Dave Rubin videos. Were you also not concerned by the events at the Capitol in January?
@Sqvusz
@Sqvusz 2 года назад
well said.
@shaheenshad5012
@shaheenshad5012 2 года назад
@@sb_dunk exactly
@BlackFlagHeathen
@BlackFlagHeathen Год назад
It’s genuinely depressing how we can’t have a discussion like this these days, and yet we’re still having literally this exact same discussion.
@bryanlongshore6198
@bryanlongshore6198 Год назад
Things have changed dramatically since back then....most of you weren't even alive in 68.....people...especially the Democrats just want to keep the 60s going.....living in the past is not beneficial to America...
@Dollakas
@Dollakas Год назад
Pure Facts 💪🏾🔥👍🏾
@troupe5195
@troupe5195 Год назад
Great point? So was everyone not actively listening?
@sayba6766
@sayba6766 Год назад
fr
@audhumbla6927
@audhumbla6927 Год назад
agreed Revna :)
@kl56tjy98
@kl56tjy98 3 года назад
This doesn't make sense. There is no moderator and they are still waiting for each other to finish their sentence! I don't believe this is real!
@jeffreywitty3088
@jeffreywitty3088 3 года назад
it was called "respectful discourse". People used to listen to others "reasons" regardless, unless it was "batsh*t" insanity
@reginamushi6582
@reginamushi6582 3 года назад
Hahahhah love that
@sever427
@sever427 3 года назад
Right what kind of humane adult bs is this
@ginafranciosi3252
@ginafranciosi3252 3 года назад
I feel sorry for you . Are you implying a conversation between people without a moderator isn't real ?
@sever427
@sever427 3 года назад
@@ginafranciosi3252 he's saying people don't respect each other enough anymore
@realSimoneCherie
@realSimoneCherie 3 года назад
No moderator? Active listening? I’ll be damned. 🧐
@jeb9179
@jeb9179 3 года назад
there was a moderator i believe he was the guy in the red chair with the mustache and glasses
@Thomas-xn4tk
@Thomas-xn4tk 3 года назад
There is a moderator. Did you not see people raising their hands at certain points? That's for the moderator to pick them to speak to prevent people just yelling at each other. This clip edited out the moderator, and this discussion was obviously longer than fifteen minutes. Most speakers were midway through talking when the video cut to them.
@ganador13
@ganador13 3 года назад
@@Thomas-xn4tk No matter how you slice it, people in this video were much better at sharing ideas and listening to each other than kids today. Except for that one black dude who kept talking over others, being angry, calling people white boy and determined to believe everyone is the enemy as well as posturing and making personal remarks. He is the primordial seed of today's woke SJW left.
@HavokBWR
@HavokBWR 3 года назад
walking out and refusing to listen. welp that didnt last long.
@Mr.Caring
@Mr.Caring 3 года назад
Hello sweetness
@bigblue6065
@bigblue6065 2 года назад
Nobody: Students in the 60s: *puffs cigarettes* "Let's get down to facts here!"
@RR-xz6bv
@RR-xz6bv 2 года назад
Cigarettes are bad for blacks, AND whites! Students: *WHAT*
@gxlorp
@gxlorp 2 года назад
They looked so much older compared to today. I am 30 and look like I'm in my 20s. I'll probably look 25 when I'm 40 and am happy about that. I am curious to see how the youngest generation will look when they are octogenarians. Not only do I not smoke. I eat healthy, take vitamins, exercise, and meditate 7 hours each week.
@Beanmachine91
@Beanmachine91 2 года назад
right on! fight the machine!
@realblackmilky
@realblackmilky 2 года назад
I HATE THESE GENERIC COMMENTS!!!!!!!! Nobody: likes you
@Coolgamer322
@Coolgamer322 2 года назад
@@gxlorp they look older due to a combination of factors; we associate the clothing they wear with older people for one, as older people today have simply continued to wear the clothing worn in this video. Additionally there are some environmental/biological deviations which @I made an account just for this touched up on. For one, hormonal changes are in large a factor due to large amounts of plastic leeching in to the human body that mimick oestrogen. Additionally, foods were simply more nutrient rich back then, the soil in which we grow crops on these days is not as nutrient dense as it was back then since it needs to accomodate for more people and has therefore been depleted; having direct effects on our physical development.
@ashleighsalinas8526
@ashleighsalinas8526 2 года назад
It's fascinating, seeing older generations in their prime and talking about some of the very issues we still talk about and grapple with today. We do things differently but with the same general goal.
@djinngeist114
@djinngeist114 3 года назад
No matter what the subject or issues, seeing people actually hold a conversation is beautiful.
@levaal1981
@levaal1981 3 года назад
Not any more, notnin US. no more free speech. Only left and nothing more. Congrats US
@djinngeist114
@djinngeist114 3 года назад
@@levaal1981 Thats the point of the comment really. No one actually has a conversation anymore. Its just arguments, and not even productive arguments at that. And as for the other comment above, the reason why they cater to the woke mob is because they are using them as pawns to further their agenda. These people that are part of cancel culture feel like they are in control for a brief moment when they destroy someone's life, but they are nothing more than puppets doing the work of the elites. The truth is if everyone who didn't have the same views as them just kept quiet, Stopped usingTwitter and so on and so forth, they would just destroy themselves in no time at all.
@tomriddleishawt2409
@tomriddleishawt2409 3 года назад
@Indian Guy who is BASED & REDPILLED! what..this is really embarrassing for YOU cause that's literally just tiktok wake tf up What happens in Tiktok stays in Tiktok in real life no one can say "You are canceled!!" And it's not "the leftists" its cancel culture and just so you know you are one of them....you and all these people think yall are better than eachother but you guys are the same Dumbasses🙂😐
@Fishing-gs9ku
@Fishing-gs9ku 3 года назад
Until the black guys get frustrated they aren’t the center of attention and walk out
@tomriddleishawt2409
@tomriddleishawt2409 3 года назад
@Indian Guy who is BASED & REDPILLED! please whether left or right if yall argue on who's better that's pathetic cause you guys are the same with different beliefs
@fafolaw
@fafolaw 3 года назад
I like how these 30-year-old teenagers are respectfully discussing serious issues while smoking a cigar at their University
@suffsuff391
@suffsuff391 2 года назад
Thats the problem. They banned smoking and now people are too on edge to hold a conversation for longer than 30 seconds without screaming over each other.
@DoggyP00
@DoggyP00 2 года назад
@@suffsuff391 Finally getting to the heart of the problem
@pot0tin
@pot0tin 2 года назад
WHen smoking was banned in my school everybody died inside.
@maxi-me
@maxi-me 2 года назад
@@suffsuff391 I'm not a smoker but you may actually be onto something significant there. I read some years ago that the seeds of the French revolution were planted in coffee houses.
@misternobody6798
@misternobody6798 2 года назад
@@suffsuff391 What about people who can't breathe effectively when someone next to them is smoking? They too have worked hard to be at the University and have the right to opportunity to participate in University debates. If someone wants to smoke that is entirely upto them but if it's going to have health impact on others too then doesn't it make sense to smoke before, during breaks, or after the debate in a "smoking room"?
@arizonarangershat3831
@arizonarangershat3831 2 года назад
I love how everyone’s just casually smoking.
@nillyk5671
@nillyk5671 2 года назад
I hate it. Lol.
@DOOMZEDAY
@DOOMZEDAY 2 года назад
@@nillyk5671 I'm holding my breath for them when the smoke gets in their faces 😂
@josh18230
@josh18230 2 года назад
Back when you were allowed to be masculine and free.
@DOOMZEDAY
@DOOMZEDAY 2 года назад
@@josh18230 wtf is masculine about losing testosterone to chemicals. Ur feminizing urself with those smoke sticks. Be a man, be sober. Beer and whiskey have phytoestrogens too js
@shubhod9569
@shubhod9569 2 года назад
@@DOOMZEDAY lol he's a sucker for marketing I guess
@arizonarangershat3831
@arizonarangershat3831 2 года назад
David Hoffman’s channel is the most informative and educational RU-vid channel on the platform. I love his videos.
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker 2 года назад
Thank you Maddie for your comment. If your resources allow, I would sure appreciate your using the THANKS button under any of my videos including the one you have commented on. It is something new that RU-vid is beta testing and would mean a great deal for my continuing efforts. David Hoffman filmmaker
@timothya2742
@timothya2742 3 года назад
Was 5 yrs old when this conversation took place. Almost 60 now and the conversation continues
@puppylove7260
@puppylove7260 3 года назад
wow. that's actually profound to think about. I'm 22 as I write this, and I really really hope that when I'm almost 60 that racial problems will not be rampant still
@hoodiegamer9256
@hoodiegamer9256 3 года назад
youre the same age as my dad. He's from 63 as well. Im 21 myself
@colossusforbin5484
@colossusforbin5484 3 года назад
I was one year old. 54 now. I think the conversation will continue for another 54 years plus.
@JoelEverettComposer
@JoelEverettComposer 3 года назад
Conversation? No - there is no conversation going on; one sided monologues at best.
@Uarehere
@Uarehere 3 года назад
Same old bitchfest. No one's ever satisfied.
@scorpion7206
@scorpion7206 3 года назад
I could smell the smoke through my screen
@sweynforkbeard8857
@sweynforkbeard8857 3 года назад
They can infringe on your ability to breathe clean air without remorse. This is all a smokescreen for a larger agenda.
@Thegrumpycoach
@Thegrumpycoach 3 года назад
legend!!!
@steverobinson4609
@steverobinson4609 3 года назад
You must be watching in 4d hehe
@Jeffrie_Baer
@Jeffrie_Baer 3 года назад
OH, the good ol days.
@Yonnie2436
@Yonnie2436 3 года назад
Me too 🤣 I was holding my breath🤣
@boosterbrosllc4681
@boosterbrosllc4681 2 года назад
I watched the whole thing and I have no clue what they are arguing about but I like their passion
@Notpureftw
@Notpureftw 2 года назад
Sounds like this is the first time the black people in the group were invited to come and thought theyd be talking about their personal issues but instead the whites wanted to talk about whats going on in vietnam instead and the black people took offense when they’re facing their own hardships and the whites tried explaining they’re on their side while also explaining they don’t know what to do while some whites also took reoffence.. ect
@b_mo537
@b_mo537 2 года назад
notpureftw summed it up not to mention the guy at the end kinda summed up what happened in all
@andrewfreeman88
@andrewfreeman88 2 года назад
@@Notpureftw Because the only way a society truly grows and progresses in from the inside outward, not by blaming others which has been the overwhelming theme for the past 15 and especially the last 5 years.
@roastbeefy0weefy
@roastbeefy0weefy 2 года назад
I think you're not alone. There's a reason all the comments are about "how civil the discussion is" and not about the subject matter. I couldn't tell you either lol, aside from that the black students think discourse about Vietnam is a political diversion from their issues
@sooperd00p
@sooperd00p 2 года назад
You do? Why? I don't have any idea what they are talking about either. BTW, neither do these students. They are all as useful as a sick baby to the rest of society. Nothing in their heads but fear, confusion, youth, and worst of all no direction. Listening to yourself philosophize is not a job and its certainly not an education. But yea....passion, I guess.
@yung_bonsai
@yung_bonsai 2 года назад
the last dude's point was the most truthful and important point made throughout this whole video. we focus on the people who are the most sympathetic and willing to change , and the most progressive, while ignoring the real evil bastards that should have our full undivided attention. We are constantly biting the hand that feeds us, or is trying to feed us, while ignoring the people who would rather see us starve.
@davidwhite4874
@davidwhite4874 2 года назад
Divide and conquer.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Год назад
That just makes me think of the wretched "Great Reset" feudalist/ totalitarians, and so called, "environmentalists" that Biden is catering too. NOTHING is good in these matters. Just a new kind of slavery, and nothing about liberty..
@masonbricke4568
@masonbricke4568 3 года назад
This is the most civil race discussion I've seen in years.
@LeSyd1984
@LeSyd1984 3 года назад
Like... fifty two years?
@mmybickers
@mmybickers 3 года назад
I mean, perhaps if "people talking over you to the point you completely give up because it's obvious people are willfully avoiding discourse" is one's definition of civil.
@Ericthefilo
@Ericthefilo 3 года назад
@@mmybickers Well it's replaced by people screaming over you, plastering your name over social media and ruining whatever future career you were intending on, banging gongs in lecture halls and throwing shit.
@canalnormal7959
@canalnormal7959 3 года назад
​@@Ericthefilo Are you talking about "civil race discussion"? what's more to discuss? This topic its known for decades and the answer is also known. So as the problem. Racists should be punished collectively by society
@CompPerformanceFreak
@CompPerformanceFreak 3 года назад
Well yeah, now white people are just told to shut up, or they're labeled a racist and they get fired from their jobs and their entire lives are ruined.
@familyvybez3040
@familyvybez3040 3 года назад
as a young black father on my channel I have been teaching my son to build computers from age 5 .. he knows all the components on his own.. I want a better life for him so I'm being the change I want to see. Sad that stuff like what I'm doing is not pushed in the media Ayy didn't think I would receive so much support and love..but ayy it means allot thanks for all your kind words and encouraging messages
@dalem8878
@dalem8878 3 года назад
This. At the end of the day you should rely on yourself to take care of you and yours. No one is going to do it for you and you shouldn't expect others to care. We need to start taking responsibility for ourselves and everything else will fall in place. Good on you for being a responsible father.
@deborahwhitney9427
@deborahwhitney9427 3 года назад
You are a fabulous role model for your son. I'm sure your son will do well in life.
@familyvybez3040
@familyvybez3040 3 года назад
@@dalem8878 thanks so much for encouragement.... yeah I realized this from when I was 18/19 how important self responsibility is..could have took many other paths in life. But I chose to be responsible and try do something productive with my life
@familyvybez3040
@familyvybez3040 3 года назад
@@deborahwhitney9427 Thanks so much, appricated God bless you
@dalem8878
@dalem8878 3 года назад
@@familyvybez3040 that's an amazing attitude. Hope favor shines on you and your family!
@LH-mn3cc
@LH-mn3cc 2 года назад
Every time the professor speaks the confused looks on people's faces is just HILARIOUS.
@willyrobertlegendre4662
@willyrobertlegendre4662 2 года назад
they all listen to each other, they have a discussion in real time, nobody is staring in a phone... amazing!
@SteveJobIess
@SteveJobIess 2 года назад
Yes, wish we could go back to the days of indoor smoking... amazing!
@muntadar1655
@muntadar1655 2 года назад
Mmmmm, the good old times where you had to live in constant fear.. Oh wait
@ryanjones7681
@ryanjones7681 Год назад
They did? Pretty sure the first few minutes wasn't one listening to the other....
@thearts5163
@thearts5163 3 года назад
This is crazy clear footage for 1968
@kineticpictures446
@kineticpictures446 3 года назад
Watch some movies from the 30s some of them look better than movies do now a days
@danieldaniels7571
@danieldaniels7571 3 года назад
Digital transfer from film.
@MC-yy2bx
@MC-yy2bx 3 года назад
It's video tape. You can see it quivering below the eye of the chick in the gray jacket. at about 8:15
@gpk1982
@gpk1982 3 года назад
I was thinking the same thing!
@judywalter9412
@judywalter9412 3 года назад
1968 was just 53 years ago
@alexeikazakov4806
@alexeikazakov4806 3 года назад
David, it is difficult to express just how valuable you and your channel are. Sometimes I sit down and try to think of how difficult it would have been to access archival footage of this kind before the Internet existed. Stuff like this is what the Internet was invented for, and I'm so glad you've taken the time over the years to trawl through your archive and digitize it.
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker 3 года назад
Thank you Alexei for your comment. Please consider joining the David Hoffman RU-vid Community to receive daily photo posts and monthly entertaining and provocative Livestreams. Click the join button on my channel homepage - upper right corner. David Hoffman Filmmaker
@jazzyjones6375
@jazzyjones6375 3 года назад
Alexei I agree it’s stuff like this , David’s work , is what the internet was made for. I was so excited about you tube in 2005 , my older brother told me about it. My brother Alexander posted his acting and comedy skits , in 2005 he did one about Donald Trump and “The Blacks” who knew? The you tube I remember was filled with bright talented people of all ages, colors and backgrounds and some junk. Now you really have to look for the good stuff or push the algorithm for it.
@ScribblebytesWorldwide
@ScribblebytesWorldwide 3 года назад
@@jazzyjones6375 what's your brother's channel?
@theangrydweller1002
@theangrydweller1002 3 года назад
The internet truly is humanity greatest achievement.
@cakeisavegatable
@cakeisavegatable 2 года назад
This is an important piece of history thank you for posting
@BeeDubyew
@BeeDubyew 2 года назад
Would've loved to hear the full forum. I've been watching your videos for some time now and I always gain insight from every discussion. History never gets old and is driven by preservation. That being said, you are a true guardian to the ideas of our past. Thanks for sharing all the footage!
@deevahlyshus
@deevahlyshus 3 года назад
What the elder black gentleman said really struck a chord... to say things are better than they were doesn’t equate to them being good.
@OFarrillColon
@OFarrillColon 3 года назад
Naturally yet they have failed to recognize that things are better means things are changing. Change takes time for almost everyone. Them leaving just shows they were not concerned with the time it takes for thigns to change, cause, yeah, those privileged in power won't give it away so damn easily, so....I just leave? great response, brother.
@CDABXXX
@CDABXXX 3 года назад
@@skip031890 and people are tired of you and your ignorant mindset as well
@Victor-ly1cj
@Victor-ly1cj 3 года назад
@@skip031890 ??
@grammaticalchainsaw7318
@grammaticalchainsaw7318 3 года назад
@@skip031890 your on coke, aren’t you?
@grammaticalchainsaw7318
@grammaticalchainsaw7318 3 года назад
@@OFarrillColon the ignorance
@MyDiabolicoTwin
@MyDiabolicoTwin 3 года назад
Imagine being a non-smoker on that room
@robertdecker146
@robertdecker146 3 года назад
Torture basically. Constantly swallowing stinky tobacco smoke 🚬 😤 mixed with bad smoker's breath and toxic germs of the smoker spreading toxicicity and grossness all throughout.
@traceywu9123
@traceywu9123 3 года назад
Dunt dunt dada!!!!! COVID MASK To da rescuuuuuuuu 🦠🍩🦠
@johncz7935
@johncz7935 3 года назад
Non-smokers wasn't a thing be4 the 80s
@alisa8869
@alisa8869 3 года назад
🤮
@jheezwiiz9733
@jheezwiiz9733 3 года назад
@@robertdecker146 move over then, stupid
@davebancos
@davebancos 2 года назад
“What’s really oppressing us [is that] we’ve been here attacking each other.” 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@FailFries
@FailFries 2 года назад
If any of these former students see this, it would be interesting for someone to organize and document a follow up conversation. How have these people's views/attitudes changed (or not changed)over the years? Have they become more understanding of each other's concerns or have they become more polarized? If they feel no ground has been made in the past 50+ years, what do they think the solution is? I understand that, sadly, many of them may not be with us anymore, but it would be so interesting to hear that conversation.
@MH3GL
@MH3GL 2 года назад
I'm not sure what is sadder: 1) That this same exact debate has been raging for over 50yrs without the realization that it will never change, or 2) That we can't even have this debate on a college campus today.
@wvance0316
@wvance0316 2 года назад
Sounds to me like one side figured out the solution to ending part one by implementing part two. You can't debate if only one voice is heard. Problem solved... I guess.
@awnewgent
@awnewgent 2 года назад
@White boy Summer kkk forced multiculturalism doesn't work...
@tf4665
@tf4665 2 года назад
People went around imagining that Trump told them to inject bleach, and then doubled down on it when the video was re-ran of him not saying that. We live in a world full of bizarre, incomprehensibly retarded people that makes one worried about the fact that these are also people who vote and directly affect other's lives.
@yoinkling
@yoinkling 2 года назад
2)
@MusicaDelCaribe
@MusicaDelCaribe 2 года назад
@White boy Summer kkk the same thing happened during the French revolution.. and Americans all basically Have the same culture..
@cato451
@cato451 3 года назад
Seeing this makes me realize how far we have descended into the abyss of stupid.
@americanhero8606
@americanhero8606 3 года назад
We are a more sensitive and perhaps over-educated society today. But I'd rather have that, than living back in those days with all the blowhards in their (literally) smoke-filled rooms.
@aGrapeInUtero
@aGrapeInUtero 3 года назад
These are college students having a debate. You’ll see similar and more advanced conversations within colleges today. More people are educated today. Society is vastly further ahead today. We have worlds more information and no way in HELL I’d ever wanna live during the time this video was recorded. This is the Dunning-Kruger effect taking place within your head.
@threeminuteshate
@threeminuteshate 3 года назад
What’s notable to me is that these people are having long-form conversation. It feels like there is greater opportunity for understanding one another in this context. Even once the black students left the conversation there was an effort to articulate why they felt it was necessary to do so. Discourse today is about scoring points, coming up with zingers, and trying to humiliate your opponent. It has lead to a polarization I don’t think our nation is going to overcome.
@chuggynation8275
@chuggynation8275 3 года назад
@@aGrapeInUtero Kids are literally being taught to be racist. Look up critical race theory its everywhere, they say to white kids in primary school that they are racist and have white privilege its actually fucking disgusting honestly surprising people are still uninformed about it. Kids go to college/University and come out completely brainwashed by Marxist doctrines and massive debt both of which did not exist in 1968. Just look up any video of Ben Shapiro speaking to these kids and they're completely lost and the teachers are too blame.
@jamesbennett5587
@jamesbennett5587 3 года назад
@@americanhero8606 I wouldn't say over educated more like have more accces to education and to learn
@MrFirstdance2000
@MrFirstdance2000 2 года назад
"Do you want to hear me?" That should be the cornerstone question for any decade/generation!
@Jaime-eg4eb
@Jaime-eg4eb 2 года назад
Great communications skills all around, but I think it's difficult to go deep into any topic when you have so many people giving their opinions with great passion. Fascinating regardless.
@mareksicinski3726
@mareksicinski3726 7 месяцев назад
no, this is literlaly a failure of communication they didn't go deep into any topic, just got more confused befor ehtye started
@tashawilliams8288
@tashawilliams8288 3 года назад
If you didn’t have a cigarette when you came, you damn sho needed one when you left.
@OrangPasien
@OrangPasien 3 года назад
That or an oxygen tank.
@dr.vanhellsing
@dr.vanhellsing 3 года назад
It’s sad we have less freedom today. The fact that you could smoke like that in the open and now it’s considered revolutionary. It would be interesting to see what people will say in the next fifty years from now. People will be shocked when they hear us speak. Holy smoke that non-binary male who was assigned at birth is assuming people’s genders and identities.
@user-nh3gu1ge3d
@user-nh3gu1ge3d 2 года назад
@@dr.vanhellsing Smoking is a poor example, though. They were ignorant of the true damage cigarettes caused. Same thing with asbestos, lack of respirators, agent orange, etc. They might have known it was bad, like over eating junk food, but they didn't REALLY understand like we do now. It's a good thing smoking is gone. But yes, in general, the more freedoms the better.
@jaredstevens5382
@jaredstevens5382 2 года назад
Blacks always have to make the issue about them.
@poopikins
@poopikins 2 года назад
Dig it.
@dm_guru2408
@dm_guru2408 2 года назад
It's so eye-opening hearing such loud and incredible voices speaking so bravely so far back about the things that are back into a loud conscious moment of culture in America. Dues were being paid and folks have been struggling to talk about this true struggle for such a long time.
@dianacouch2551
@dianacouch2551 Год назад
TY.....just found your page and this was very intriguing! God Bless
@jonathankeith524
@jonathankeith524 2 года назад
You can’t tell me that we as a society, (as a whole), have not lost the essential skill of active listening and responding to what has been said in a civil and intellectual manner.
@germanrud9904
@germanrud9904 2 года назад
cellphones man
@Graylegs
@Graylegs 2 года назад
It's scary
@ferdtheterd3897
@ferdtheterd3897 2 года назад
Not not as a whole, it's only about 95% of people
@danielpotts1172
@danielpotts1172 2 года назад
Don't even need to go as far back as 1968 lol. This type of meeting has been lost and forgotten in the last 10-15 years, not the last 40. I had conversations such as these when I was in College and Uni only 11 or 12 years ago...Now all I see are people holding banners, running into halls and screaming slogans and not willing to debate or discuss anything. A conversation like this...I would honestly LOVE to sit down, with all the community members from all backgrounds and beliefs and talk about crap that is going on in our countries and our lives in order to extend the understanding to everyone involved.
@drsgme69
@drsgme69 2 года назад
Zionists have ruined campuses
@K-Effect
@K-Effect 3 года назад
When looking and acting like an adult was important at any age
@SCRUBN1F1CENT
@SCRUBN1F1CENT 3 года назад
@Vintage Farmer that depends on the individuals and culture. We definitely cant speak in absolutes.
@K-Effect
@K-Effect 3 года назад
DEEP SEA EMPEROR_ ZILLA except for at Toys "R" Us
@3nthamornin
@3nthamornin 3 года назад
@@K-Effect 😂😂😂😂😂😂 your response ab toys r us just killed me
@mrbranson73
@mrbranson73 3 года назад
You just did
@l1verpool1000
@l1verpool1000 2 года назад
Agreed that is exactly the problem today too many adult that act like kids
@jrbugz761
@jrbugz761 2 года назад
I really enjoy this well-exemplified piece of content bro.😄 It really shows us where we're coming from leading up to the 21st century.
@user-yg6px8bd2z
@user-yg6px8bd2z Год назад
Look about 40 years later and still in the same place in America, how pathetic this country just cannot get it together
@dennisinkwa5233
@dennisinkwa5233 3 года назад
"It seems to me..." was the go to phrase.
@buddywoof1796
@buddywoof1796 3 года назад
now it's "I feel like..."
@purpleprose1315
@purpleprose1315 3 года назад
Yes because back then people spoke for themselves and not for a "community".
@hlpml
@hlpml 3 года назад
Yes and now its is... "let me be clear" followed by vague statements
@buddywoof1796
@buddywoof1796 3 года назад
@@purpleprose1315 "for me as a x person"...
@ussarng4649
@ussarng4649 3 года назад
If a person finds themself talking about a subject they weren't perpare to talk about the only thing a person can fall back on is "it seems to me", "in my opinion", "from my experience". None if these statements come from a bad place in light of the fact that a persons experience is not devoid of value. How many students do you think in 1968 could have pulled out their phone to find out that the first black Harvard graduate was: •Richard Theodore Greener (January 30, 1844 - May 2, 1922) was the first African American graduate of Harvard College and went on to become the dean of the Howard University School of Law. Or that the first black University was established in: •Howard University, historically Black university founded in 1867 in Washington, D.C., and named for General Oliver Otis Howard, head of the post-Civil War Freedmen's Bureau, who influenced Congress to appropriate funds for the school. •Or the first post highschool for blacks was established in: The Institute for Colored Youth, the first higher education institution for blacks, was founded in Cheyney, Pennsylvania, in 1837. It was followed by two other black institutions--Lincoln University, in Pennsylvania (1854), and Wilberforce University, in Ohio (1856). No doubt there was oppression of non white people in many parts of the US but there was also ways out of the oppressive situation.
@SonofStLouis
@SonofStLouis 3 года назад
At least back then they let each other speak even if they didn’t agree....now if you disagree with someone you’re just wrong and you shouldn’t be able to speak at all
@tjalliemicheaux3719
@tjalliemicheaux3719 3 года назад
now if you disagree with someone you are an agent and blocked; while they complain about the system censoring them. LOL
@RSClassicAngel
@RSClassicAngel 3 года назад
2:44
@All_you_need_is_love2018
@All_you_need_is_love2018 3 года назад
If you watched this entire video, the people who disagreed walked out. They didn’t bother to stay around and listen. So, it doesn’t look like things have changed a whole lot.
@kimmiewise1044
@kimmiewise1044 3 года назад
@N Ds I guess those black police officers prove that the KKK is a diverse community full of opportunity and you should let them get on with it as along as there’s dIvErSiTy~~/This is a joke.
@disprogreavette8545
@disprogreavette8545 3 года назад
@N Ds You actually believe humans have rights? Human rights are a fairy tale, next tell me about the tooth fairy.
@adithemonk
@adithemonk 2 года назад
This was a fascinating discovery for me, being a native of Champaign IL where the discussion took place.
@BIGToeToe333
@BIGToeToe333 Год назад
Very informative & telling conversation...
@TheSonicDeviant
@TheSonicDeviant 3 года назад
I just Googled Jill Hultin, it looks like she’s still alive and an academic. She looks elderly now, yet this doesn’t look or seem that long ago. Time goes so quick, our experience as a human on Earth is so short.
@entertainedsheep7668
@entertainedsheep7668 3 года назад
Only if your very greedy and filled with ego is the time short
@TheSonicDeviant
@TheSonicDeviant 3 года назад
@@entertainedsheep7668 - You are wrong, you’re getting confused with time and having a meaningful life. Even if you’re a Hindu or Buddhist monk living in a cave your whole life time is very short. Given that the average human life is only 79 years old, in the geological or cosmic sense of time our experience here is like the blink of an eye, even shorter. Even if your belief system is such that linear time is a human made construct and space time is elastic and cyclical, and that reincarnation is real, it doesn’t change the fact that this existence that you live in here and now on this plane of reality is extremely short. It may feel long to some, especially for a depressed nihilist or misanthrope who experiences no joy in life, but it still doesn’t change the fact that in the grand scheme of things a human lifetime is very short. In the same way that a white man might identify as a black woman, but it doesn’t change the fact that he’s not.
@entertainedsheep7668
@entertainedsheep7668 3 года назад
@@TheSonicDeviant human lifespan is not long nor is it short. Because saying that is based on perspective. There will always be things with a longer lifespan and with a shorter one aswell and both are equal. So you saying that life is short is half true.
@TheSonicDeviant
@TheSonicDeviant 3 года назад
@@entertainedsheep7668 - How long or short a lifetime feels is relative to the individual, but in the dispassionate harsh world of cold facts a human lifetime is very short.
@entertainedsheep7668
@entertainedsheep7668 3 года назад
@@TheSonicDeviant i think you only read half. i also said it was equally short as it is long
@samlee6152
@samlee6152 3 года назад
Usually we see history just through the lens of the major speeches, the major events, the major figures, etc. It's fascinating to see just how normal people thought about, talked about, and debated the social issues of their time.
@joewesterland5697
@joewesterland5697 2 года назад
It really let's you understand how every point in human history was populated by people just like us. Its fascinating to think of the context in which these people lived. WWII was only as long ago for them as 9/11 is to us.
@N108funshow
@N108funshow 2 года назад
David thank you very much. I really appreciate you sharing your life’s work with us. Especially the submarine documentary because my buddy Allen is in it. Stay healthy my friend.
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker 2 года назад
Thank you. David Hoffman
@N108funshow
@N108funshow 2 года назад
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker You are most welcome David.
@saritaw4739
@saritaw4739 Год назад
amazing how these young people had a vocabulary that our young people lack these days! great video! thanks
@AdrianPeterson28VKNG
@AdrianPeterson28VKNG 3 года назад
"Dig it man..." We really need to bring that back
@CaptApril123
@CaptApril123 3 года назад
right on, right on...dig it man
@AQ1579
@AQ1579 3 года назад
Lol !
@r.i.pyoutube6881
@r.i.pyoutube6881 3 года назад
We really don’t
@jdlc903
@jdlc903 3 года назад
No its cringe
@jamesbennett5587
@jamesbennett5587 3 года назад
@@jdlc903 not my cringe then the slang people use today
@AsMightyAsBread
@AsMightyAsBread 3 года назад
Wow this is huge to someone like me. Born in 97, there's no way I'd ever see this anywhere else really. Its so gratifying seeing opinions from people from a different perspective. With the movements today, its always important to have a civil discussion, or we get nowhere and learn nothing from each other. Thank you for your videos!
@lognum4155
@lognum4155 2 года назад
in 200 years from now, people will be seeing videos from the 21st century and they will be mind blown...
@drufusthedufus
@drufusthedufus 2 года назад
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@freshair9133
@freshair9133 2 года назад
@@lognum4155 who said we make it that far? 200 yrs without idiots wanting to nuke each other seems like asking for too much
@dicklong4038
@dicklong4038 2 года назад
Decades later we're still arguing the same bs, only less civilized. Congrats folks, we haven't figured out how to care for one another and the controllers of reality are still winning.
@kincamell2
@kincamell2 Год назад
Heavy Ps Much Gratitude for sharing
@russellzhavorsa9164
@russellzhavorsa9164 3 года назад
23 year old watching from africa very interesting and what shocks me is how the modern debates are still so similar in terms of the issuers over 40 years later
@Indusxstan
@Indusxstan 3 года назад
So why do Africans still migrate to America?
@khalilfreeman9629
@khalilfreeman9629 3 года назад
@@Indusxstan everybody migrates to america from all around the world not just from africa, and why u asking him that question what it has to do with him? imigration is a personal choice
@crazyfishmonster459
@crazyfishmonster459 3 года назад
No, modern 'debates' are a lot less civil, and don't really ever get to the meat of the issues they propose to tackle. People turn up, canvas a few talking points, get tired of trying to convince the other person, and the civility breaks down.
@jojosaylor8996
@jojosaylor8996 3 года назад
Not 40 its been 60 years later
@subbangovender3476
@subbangovender3476 3 года назад
Over 300 yrs
@pinokio3785
@pinokio3785 3 года назад
Little did they know millions would watch their debate on the internet 50 years later
@tacozxtc
@tacozxtc 2 года назад
Life is strange that way for sure...
@finding-my-trueself704
@finding-my-trueself704 2 года назад
They are probably all dead now from smoking cigs and second hand smoke lol
@JediBuddhist
@JediBuddhist Год назад
Another powerful echo from time. Thank you.
@ChrisHensley2
@ChrisHensley2 2 года назад
This what brought change, talking and offending other people. You will offend someone what thinks they are right, it doesn't make them evil. You challenge them, you make them rethink, it's uncomfortable but its the only thing that brings reasonable change.
@Tootbook
@Tootbook 2 года назад
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@X2LR8
@X2LR8 3 года назад
I like this style of actual discourse better than the Screeching Twitter Mob of today.
@kgs6032
@kgs6032 2 года назад
It was such a great debate...the Black students had to walk out. There is no screeching on Twitter, maybe you're just upset POC have a voice there?? Maybe you like this style of discourse, because it was easier for White people to ignore Black people?? Hmmm...
@starsandspit
@starsandspit 2 года назад
​@@kgs6032 Twitter is a dumpster fire of ignorance regardless of colour, as evidenced by your comment. But hey, nice try making it about self-victimization whilst attacking white people, of course, as usual...in just a few short lines you managed to lie, victimize, attack and be a hypocrite all at once. That kind of mentality is exactly why the modern day social-political climate in America is in the toilet and we're all the lesser for it.
@armelburgess8651
@armelburgess8651 2 года назад
@@kgs6032 They walked out of their own accord. Again, twitter is an echo chamber for uneducated leftists to reverberate ignorance to each other.
@NoOne-qn2hv
@NoOne-qn2hv 2 года назад
@jbl I think the comments that keep comparing a college debate team to twitter arguments and viral outrage videos aren't very bright themselves.
@carbonfibercarpet4655
@carbonfibercarpet4655 2 года назад
Yup, its crazy how you see a lot of Conservatives cancelling any debate that goes against what they find on facebook
@ODTU06
@ODTU06 3 года назад
I feel like none of them are responding to each other, they are just talking for themselves regardless of what the previous person had said. It is not a debate or a conversation, just a series of speeches.
@danielweeks4886
@danielweeks4886 3 года назад
People celebrate it because they’re “polite” as if it isn’t just as bad as debates today.
@daniellemeyer8568
@daniellemeyer8568 3 года назад
@born2xlr8 yep So they are polite and respectful? So what? It was part of the culture back then (respect teachers, don't talk over people, respect elders, don't interrupt, etc.). This was enforced at home (with a father in the household) and at school. Ultimately, the "discussion" has no continuity, no central agreed upon purpose, and ultimately no result. It accomplishes nothing. Just each person giving a quick point about a loosely connected theme. Definitely better than a lot of the discussions today which go straight to interrupting, name calling, straw man arguments, and self-victimization.
@pablito5927
@pablito5927 3 года назад
Yeah people are thinking that this is so much different from today lol, it's only in the way they carry themselves, but up in those brains, the exact same thing is going on, just a whole lot of cognitive dissonance because they don't feel heard. :)
@herbs4135
@herbs4135 3 года назад
I agree it isn't perfect, but people were clearly listening intently, even if not coming to a conclusion or compromise. Check out 6:02, everyone laughs immediately at a joke, showing complete focused listening and understanding of all that's being said, even if they don't agree.
@pablito5927
@pablito5927 3 года назад
@@herbs4135 I don't think the problem lies in listening, but rather in understanding the perspectives of the people talking and there goes a lot of effort into doing that, most people have a lot of cognitive biases which bend the message of what people are actually saying, it's not that they're not listening they simply don't understand because they are grounded in their own views and experience.
@haraldisdead
@haraldisdead 2 года назад
God, this channel is so good. There's a severe shortage of primary sources in our culture.
@Flamboyant8
@Flamboyant8 2 года назад
The statement and warning at 14:15 is quite prescient for the times we live in now.
@speedymark8517
@speedymark8517 2 года назад
"Sir I think what you said was so vapidly absurd."
@jacobpeters5458
@jacobpeters5458 2 года назад
@@speedymark8517 "patently absurd"
@burnlikeneon4044
@burnlikeneon4044 2 года назад
@@speedymark8517 "you can tell from this where the whole bloody society is going to go"
@burnlikeneon4044
@burnlikeneon4044 2 года назад
@@jacobpeters5458 was that white guy trying to say that the idea of a neutral campus was absurd? I think he lost me there.
@Hollowsmith
@Hollowsmith 2 года назад
College students today talk like 12 year olds compared to college students 50 years ago.
@Cambodia69
@Cambodia69 2 года назад
So...um...like...you know...uh...things 'n' stuff...
@kafenwar
@kafenwar 2 года назад
Hell, college students of my generation (1980s) were a lot more mature than the spoiled brats of today. However, we were a lot more apathetic and fashion conscious than today's brats; nothing even close to a BLM movement was even conceivable in 1989, just a lot of leather Africa medallions and rhetoric.
@audreyf9092
@audreyf9092 2 года назад
Yes because all university students of that time reflected the same behavior as this one university in Illinois 😂
@joeburly
@joeburly 2 года назад
Which college students are you referring to, Knower of Things?
@Hollowsmith
@Hollowsmith 2 года назад
@@joeburly Well like, seriously like, literally almost all of them like, some of them are fire i admit that, some of them have swag, but like, most are like ew like, literally like dumb.
@seymourmaupin6395
@seymourmaupin6395 3 года назад
Graduating from Berkley in 64 and buying a home near by. I've lived a life of regret and seen the failings of a public school system. I remember thinking we were so cutting edge, we had thoughts and ideas nobody has ever had. Now, 60 years later, nothing has changed and college kids think the same thing. Are we in a circle? We never accomplished anything. I did live at a comune though. Free love was never free just ask my doctor.
@Angela-fv5pb
@Angela-fv5pb 3 года назад
Why have you lived a life of regret?
@missj6923
@missj6923 3 года назад
Give YAH your life, He loves you
@banemaler
@banemaler 3 года назад
Jesus is the way friend. Everything eles is a serpent eating his own tail. This is the age old problem from n age old enemy.
@JCpwnge
@JCpwnge 3 года назад
@@Angela-fv5pb because hes a hippie boomer that thought marxism would work. He lived a life of degeneracy and now realizes he has no purpose.
@nothisispatrick1753
@nothisispatrick1753 3 года назад
@@JCpwnge ...
@MikeyLikesIt89
@MikeyLikesIt89 Год назад
Excellent conversation
@PaulGreen11
@PaulGreen11 2 года назад
Damn, we've been having this conversation for over 50yrs.
@freespeechisdead1565
@freespeechisdead1565 2 года назад
Aside from a few interruptions and some real frustrated passion, this was actually a really civil discussion. This would quickly turn into a bar room brawl today in 2021.
@mr-vb3id
@mr-vb3id 2 года назад
Black dude liked interrupting.
@TsDomain
@TsDomain 2 года назад
This tells me that everyone should go back to smoking publically
@hijodelaisla275
@hijodelaisla275 2 года назад
"actually"
@freespeechisdead1565
@freespeechisdead1565 2 года назад
@@matthewp9156 And kicked over his table too.
@dannyboy8474
@dannyboy8474 2 года назад
The only reason it didn't then is because the cops would come crashing down on them and they'd get jail time for it. Nowadays you'd get a slap on the wrist.
@forwhomthebelltolls
@forwhomthebelltolls 3 года назад
There's more smoking going on than a whole season of Mad Men.
@Jeremiah7-ox2nj
@Jeremiah7-ox2nj 2 года назад
Somebody should have hung up a ham. 😆
@JulsLittleBeirutAnarchy
@JulsLittleBeirutAnarchy 2 года назад
@RJ Sea The 60's had pot too...Relax. I smoke pot. It's not a big deal. We legalized Marijuana here.
@tallulah9789
@tallulah9789 2 года назад
Its crazy that were still talking about this today and although its improved we've got a long way to go still.
@Tyreeleslie
@Tyreeleslie 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing
@tappy-thesketcher4539
@tappy-thesketcher4539 3 года назад
This is incredible - They're actually sitting down and listening to each other
@HavokBWR
@HavokBWR 3 года назад
except for that one point where they did literally the exact opposite of that.
@tappy-thesketcher4539
@tappy-thesketcher4539 3 года назад
True. Occasional bursts are inevitable when including the grand spectrum of various individuals. For the most part however, opposing opinions we're voiced and given heed, planting the seeds of resolution.
@rexyz5875
@rexyz5875 3 года назад
Yeah its sad that kids today get their info from famous people on tiktok and basically base their political idiologies on trends
@aryastark3148
@aryastark3148 3 года назад
@@rexyz5875 ....not all of us. and far more youth get info from independent sources, while older folks condemn us all by getting their "info" from msm propaganda networks. - thanks for destroying our future btw.
@rhabdoviridae
@rhabdoviridae 3 года назад
And smoking in public!
@holyarmageddon19
@holyarmageddon19 3 года назад
It's like watching a movie and already knowing the ending.
@kensmechanicalaffair
@kensmechanicalaffair 3 года назад
Pretty much.
@LuisAngel-mu4zv
@LuisAngel-mu4zv 2 года назад
Sometimes its about exploring the journey and not so much about wondering what the ending is about
@nunnayrbznz3576
@nunnayrbznz3576 2 года назад
Thank you. The struggle to reflect humanitarian ideals in how we live continues.
@UrObsessed2
@UrObsessed2 Год назад
This is my favorite channel on RU-vid 🙌🏾
@germanrud9904
@germanrud9904 2 года назад
"the way the war presses on us.. It presses on you too, DIG IT" The way he said dig it was pure 60's swagger lmao
@jonmacdonald5345
@jonmacdonald5345 2 года назад
Sounded like Greg Brady!
@pfzht
@pfzht 2 года назад
The war didn't press on any of them because none of them actually fought it.
@ohh1065
@ohh1065 2 года назад
@@pfzht if they had family members that did it definitely did
@pfzht
@pfzht 2 года назад
@@ohh1065 Not anywhere near as impactful as it was on the soldiers themselves and pulling our troops out for political rather than strategic reasons will always be a foolish if not treasonous move.
@Deadbeatcow
@Deadbeatcow 2 года назад
@@pfzht what strategic benefit does fighting a losing war against farmers, in a country on the opposite side of the world, have for the USA? it put its hand in the cookie jar and tried to cut off its own fingers once it got caught red-handed
@benwasilewski
@benwasilewski 2 года назад
Fascinating. These young people are so intelligent and well spoken.
@eswing2153
@eswing2153 2 года назад
And all young kids in university today can do is scream and yell down people in a sort of Brown-shirt “protest” to bully people into their view.
@kebertxela941
@kebertxela941 2 года назад
"well spoken" THAT IS RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@XxRaceRCxX
@XxRaceRCxX 2 года назад
​@@kebertxela941 Biden be like
@viciousspectre523
@viciousspectre523 2 года назад
I mean they make good points do they not?
@calippo4202
@calippo4202 2 года назад
@@eswing2153 I do get your point but maybe you shouldn't make such claimes about all students. Some will feel or be missrepresented.
@robertqueberg4612
@robertqueberg4612 2 года назад
This was a very interesting discussion. Being able to sit and discuss, rather than argue about problems and their solution options is an ability that we need to return to. Another minority in this room that was not talked about, was the non smoker.
@morrigan7454
@morrigan7454 2 года назад
Gosh... Jill Hultin was a gorgeous girl back then. She is a lawyer, in New York City, currently President at Hultin and Associates, Michael Rossman died in 2008, he fought for campus and students rights all his life. John Lee Johnson fought for better living conditions for his community all of his life, served on the Champaign city council from 73 to 81, he died in 2006. David Addison became a reverend, wrote several texts and books on black power during the 70's. died in 2018. Patsy Parker was the first female to be elected student body president at the University of Illinois. Fought for women and black people's rights. Pam Tate, President and CEO, Council for Adult and Experiential Learning, currently at Evolllution (Modern campus illumination).
@JuniorJr...
@JuniorJr... 3 года назад
00:49 Mr. Rossman, 68, died from the effects of leukemia in 2008. He was 28 when this fabulous documentary was filmed.
@tanyafulyfy
@tanyafulyfy 3 года назад
he was also a great light weight class boxer
@erik-sr9bj
@erik-sr9bj 3 года назад
:( he was the mvp in this one
@kidofflint8812
@kidofflint8812 2 года назад
@MrSteezyR he seems like a nice guy I agree with his talking points and the black students talking points both sides are correct but both are wrong at the same Time
@st4rryblossom
@st4rryblossom 3 года назад
all that i see that's changed is these conversations aren't even being had anymore.
@ucanthandledatruth01
@ucanthandledatruth01 3 года назад
TRUE, contact me if you will start one or know of any I could join
@argonthesad
@argonthesad 3 года назад
Wow! Imagine that today.
@brendielahooha
@brendielahooha 3 года назад
There are. Bit they are less civilized and more anonymus (forums and video commentaries)
@argonthesad
@argonthesad 3 года назад
They reach a tiny minority. It would never get near msm in today's climate.
@st4rryblossom
@st4rryblossom 3 года назад
@@brendielahooha on the dot. not in the right platforms too. i would like to see these conversations being had and change to be implemented that makes both parties happy feel heard. and to move forward finally. the issue keeps getting ignored and it just gets worse. we treat many things that way. they just don't want us to find peace
@hecki3528
@hecki3528 2 года назад
This channel is gold
@nemA96
@nemA96 Год назад
I can feel the 2nd hand smoke through my screen lol. It was actually rather interesting. It's sad the problems have only got worse since then.
@milascave2
@milascave2 5 лет назад
For those who don't know, the universities had invested in Dow chemichals. Dow chimachals made napalm. Napaulm was used to burn down the jungles of Vietnam. It also fell on oit's children. There haed been a famouse picture of a naked Vietnamese girls screaming, burning alive. That is why Dow Chemichals is mentioned so much.
@SkragorSkumdreg
@SkragorSkumdreg 4 года назад
@Angoche Island ...and tend to look incredibly stupid & weak when they do.
@vick8291
@vick8291 4 года назад
Temple of Ridicule because they still suffer till this day. History is supposed to be remembered not forgotten
@marcusantonius5308
@marcusantonius5308 3 года назад
@Temple of Ridicule couldnt have said it better myself well done sir!
@literalnewsheadlines9149
@literalnewsheadlines9149 3 года назад
She wasn’t burning alive. Stop embellishing. She had been burned
@SparrowValentine
@SparrowValentine 3 года назад
50 years later... and it feels like we went backwards, not forwards.
@kenbradley6064
@kenbradley6064 3 года назад
We have
@raymond2009v
@raymond2009v 3 года назад
Still the same haven't changed at all
@SparrowValentine
@SparrowValentine 3 года назад
@@raymond2009v I'd say we're actually worse now than before. At least before people had the common decency to hear eachother out (for the most part).
@shehannanayakkara4162
@shehannanayakkara4162 3 года назад
Lol are you kidding me? Yes there are still racial problems in the US, but it is a LOT better than the 60s. In the 60s you literally had people supporting segregation in government.
@kevinmendoza5328
@kevinmendoza5328 3 года назад
@@SparrowValentine In what way is racial equality worse today than then? It’s significantly FAR BETTER. Please explain what is worse for blacks today as oppose to in the 20th century?
@franklinlove8227
@franklinlove8227 2 года назад
The fact of the matter is...they both brought up riveting and intellectual conversation without malice. Nobody swung at anybody. We should take past instances like these and expound upon them here in the 21st century. Again, This is back before any social media handle could cancel you for having an opinion. This right here is real America
@nathanaelhahn4795
@nathanaelhahn4795 Год назад
Props to the guy that didn't close off conversation.
@raytotherose10101
@raytotherose10101 3 года назад
one of the best things thats happened since 2020 was finding David Hoffman's channel, i love raw history
@bernardcurrie1780
@bernardcurrie1780 3 года назад
Back when everyone smoked, whether they liked it or not.
@xraceboyex
@xraceboyex 3 года назад
Oh, once you start, you have no choice but to like it. Addiction is a totally balanced game with no exploits
@SFVYachtClub
@SFVYachtClub 3 года назад
Pros: -makes listening to the other side tolerable -everyone is too out of breath to fight or start an annoying chant Cons: -everyone looks 15 years older
@meteorstorm415
@meteorstorm415 3 года назад
@@SFVYachtClub So in order to reach peak acceptance of views and legitimate debate and communication. Little Timmy at 5 years old should accordingly look 60 and by 19 look 200.
@SFVYachtClub
@SFVYachtClub 3 года назад
@@meteorstorm415 Yes. You want me to get him some menthols or reds?
@victheone926
@victheone926 3 года назад
I really miss those times, when anyone could smoke everywhere. Not healthy, but good af.
@arthurdalton517
@arthurdalton517 Год назад
This is what was going on in the S F Bay area when I was a kid a remember some of this. Mr Hoffman what a great video
@parkfarm233
@parkfarm233 Год назад
And here we all are, 54 years later, with still the same issues, and still the same discussions and much more violence evident.
@steveirwin_8276
@steveirwin_8276 2 года назад
"When the university plays the role of picking and choosing what side it supports in society then we get into danger" very wise and foreseeing words.
@billjones642
@billjones642 2 года назад
affirmative action
@justinmoore5096
@justinmoore5096 2 года назад
What is a University if not it's students? In the end, this quote falls flat, because what you're advocating for is inaction. The same inaction that has and will continue to destroy lives.
@The_Word_Is_The_Way
@The_Word_Is_The_Way 2 года назад
@@justinmoore5096 A valid counter.
@seane4955
@seane4955 2 года назад
@@justinmoore5096 The issue is, people are still very young and stupid when they enter university, so if it does take a side, it can very well be the wrong side without most students knowing so, and in this particular institution taking up this role, they become particularly effective propagandists as they masque as an intellectual authority. The university needs to lay the foundation for critical thinking, if it merges that into emotional irrational politics, like we see today, we will continue to have the institution churn out brainwashed morons who are neither intelligent with capable critical thinking skills nor on the right side of history, just useful political pawns of politicians who use morality and ideas of oppression as their rhetoric People of my generation can not understand a correct idea if it's against what they are emotionally invested in if there lives depended on it. Our education system and media has ruined countless people, turning them into the evil which they wanted to work against(And often, something much worse)
@seane4955
@seane4955 2 года назад
@@The_Word_Is_The_Way I disagree
@dawnslight676
@dawnslight676 3 года назад
That Professor sounds like a 1930s movie gangster.
@JokersAce0
@JokersAce0 3 года назад
Up until recently Americans talked with more effort in an American style accent. It's the only way I can explain it. I've had older coworkers who sound very different.
@lawsonj39
@lawsonj39 3 года назад
It's weird how he seems to be trying to hold his head in place.
@leannezezeski-sass2773
@leannezezeski-sass2773 3 года назад
Lmao I was thinking the same thing 🤣 it actually really threw me off at first, like all of a sudden I was watching a completely different thing
@sonofatlas1372
@sonofatlas1372 Год назад
I like the fact they’ve sat and listened to the problems from one another I enjoyed the conversation I didn’t choose a side I just listened.
@MananaMan
@MananaMan 2 года назад
Damn this shit goes hard I think when people feel like they can act themselves instead of being forced to be the most egalitarian and righteous it’s easier to talk about what you honestly want and go from there
@sallysarch9441
@sallysarch9441 3 года назад
The only thing that have changed is smoking outdoors instead of indoors
@Blauqkween
@Blauqkween 3 года назад
And that's the sad part that not much has changed.
@bitbybit3470
@bitbybit3470 3 года назад
.....that "has" changed...
@loravipperman3061
@loravipperman3061 3 года назад
Thank god. I hat tat nasty crap.
@GreenBlue8840
@GreenBlue8840 3 года назад
@@Americansikkunt Why do you think that?
@GreenBlue8840
@GreenBlue8840 3 года назад
@@Americansikkunt I disagree that "they're still complaining", like they shouldn't speak on the wrongs committed against them. Your comment gives off the idea that you think they should be silent no matter what happens. I hope that's not why you said that.
@romeojackson2930
@romeojackson2930 5 лет назад
Decades later and this topic is still very much relevant
@BarryaLLen-ik8bq
@BarryaLLen-ik8bq 4 года назад
Is been since the days of creation
@MrTerryforsyth
@MrTerryforsyth 3 года назад
Sadly it probably will be in decades to come 😢
@TheHOUSEofALEijUAN
@TheHOUSEofALEijUAN 3 года назад
decades later, i was pretty much done shortly after they were.
@createdcreated1977
@createdcreated1977 3 года назад
It's become worse.
@lastdays3148
@lastdays3148 3 года назад
@@createdcreated1977 ,all the way until the end of time🤦🏾‍♀️
@lastofthefinest
@lastofthefinest Год назад
I love your content brother!
@Asi_de_bello
@Asi_de_bello 2 года назад
We keep kicking this stone down the road (generation down generation) and still nothing has changed. Still deep rooted if not worse today!
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