If you ever bothered to ask why, we'd never get awesome videos like this! Thanks for doing crazy cool stuff like this, even when it serves no functional purpose!
The nostalgia. I missed my Pentium 3. It's the 1st pc that I bought. The slot type pentium 3 and also the pc in which I learned to assemble and repair computers.
Mageia 8 has a 32-bit release that's compiled for plain 586, and includes a lot of stuff out of the box! It's far from a lightweight distro though. Mageia 9 is currently going through QA testing, but from what I've read it should release with kernel 5.19 compiled for 586 just like its current release.
@unsubtract Indeeed... with a day or two of compiling you could have this going. I've done it, it doesn't take much longer than a normal install (you just go to sleep while its doing its thing). Gentoo is easy... Linux from scratch is hard (not even hard it holds your hand all the way through its just much more typing and less functional after you are done because there is no package manager, except for you).
@@marcovalentinoalvarado3290 1440p 50+ fps since 2015-ish. I stopped using 1080p in 2009 or so, and stopped playing CS or other online FPS a bit later. I guess 400 usd was a lot for me too before I had a steady job in my early 20s... i don't have kids so i can afford to blow 500-1200 usd on a video card once every 3-4 years. the pentium 3 was in my first comp ever. 10 gig drive.. i used that thing 2002-2012, as a router in the end. I'm not very impressed with this video because i've played with similar hardware when I was younger. the uni in my home town, they used to toss old comps away and for a time it was legal to take them from the dumpsters they used. I've seen some weird stuff, also from the 70s, but I am above "average geek" or "pc enthusist" in my appetite/interest for hardware anyway, I learned that part about pcie and pci being compatible and that pci is not part of the ATX/x86 standard (not sure which), so that's interesting..
I'm not impressed with the vid because in the end he didn't actually make it work, but rather complained about the driver situation. So the overall mission was only 30% successful in my view. As for the card.. It's probably more than good enough to do whatever capturing/encoding he plans to do. Anyway.. this is a curiosity project. It would be far more practical to plug the card into something with a 755 socket (or amd equivalent from that time) which has pcie already. No need to monkey around like this. You can get a 755-ish system from ebay for 20-40 bucks with ram or even a whole case and save a lot of time.
Functional or not, the fact that the motherboard itself even posted with this card is pretty insane. Goes to show how dedicated standards have been for so long.
That's one of the parts that you can go without your whole life but it would have allowed so much opportunities if you had discovered it earlier. Thanks for sharing!
This Maybe the coolest thing that popped up in the feed today! Love seeing old hardware still chugging along. But to mix and match hardware like this? Next level! I wonder if they ever made AGP adaptors?
Your intro theme was made with Fruity Loops Toxic Biohazard using the 8SEQ GENUSis ToTc preset. I give you two thumbs up. :) Amazing build though, I would definitely try to run COD1 on that rig. 👍
NCR Extended Rom is a proprietary POS ROM For NCR Systems. its used in a plethora of Point Of Sale systems that utilized Pentium based CPU's and motherboards. the SDC Notice is a Silent Data Corruption - this is more than likely due to the PCI-PCIe bridge corrupting a bunch of data being sent over the bus and BIOS does not recognize it. 210H is pointing to an expansion unit, as Standardized I/O Base Addressing says 210 through 217 base I/O is IBM PC Spec for Expansion Units. the "H" is the specific mapped location of the 210 Addressing header.
Wow... an NCR industrial PELE2 board! Didn't think I'd ever see one of those in the wild again! Those could support 500MHz to 1.0GHz Coppermine P3s if I remember correctly, but the 850MHz chip and 256MB or 512MB of PC133 RAM was a very common configuration.
damn this is awesome, i live for this sort of thing, good vid man 👌 *just a constructive tip from a fan, watch the "um" filler word, i know its a pain to dial back the habbit but will just provide more polish to your video
I enjoyed watching the video. Getting a p3 to boot with a pcie card is nuts. Outside of the fun of getting it to work, I can't think of a reason to do it though.
the ability to add modern expansion cards could actually be practically useful. on my p3 gaming machine i dual boot win98se and modern debian to make putting files on it easier. modern pcie usb, wifi, ethernet, etc cards would be easier to get a hold of than pci based ones, and for most purposes i wouldn't care about if windows supported it, only if linux did.
@@Megabobster I don't think this would work too well with Windows as the drivers simply are not there. This works on Linux because Linux keeps a lot of drivers for backwards compatibility. But for really stupid stuff you would have to build a custom kernel for it to work. The canned kernels only support so much.
I seen a guy do this with a dual Tualatin 1.4ghz system awhile back and it was pretty impressive. Not sure what card he used but i know he was able to play Skyrim with it lol
I wonder what's going to "accelerate" what in this scenario. ;D Typing this before watching... I have a PIII based myself (It's 24yo now), but I realized the onboard video is "fine" and any sort of viagra won't make the grandpa do things more enthusiastic! I truly adore the "let's see" approach!!!
Mark, I just wanted to say I'm pretty disappointed that someone with 43k subscribers can only muster up an AMD 6650 XT. I will not be watching anymore content from you and as a long time viewer of your channel you have lost me as a regular watcher. Great video as always!
ESD is a lie invented by computer companies to shift the blame when they sell you faulty crap. In all my entire life of working with computers I've only ever fried a RAM module with ESD once and maybe a CPU but I still suspect the other techie shorted the motherboard out somehow and that fried the CPU
Glad to see you back, Mark! Love these crazy projects with the nostalgia aspect (CRT was a great addition). Would like to know your opinion on the new 12+4pin power cables being introduced. We are seeing GPUs potentially pulling sustained 500-600W very soon... on a single 12V cable. Is this reason to be concerned?
There is nothing technically wrong with it. As long as the conductors are made to spec, there should be no issue. AFAIK the melting PCI-SIG was seeing was due to manufacturers not doing testing on their own products. I do think the design of the pins could have been improved for lower contact resistance, but nothing we can do now...
@@TheUbuntuGuy It's always been a hack... the correct thing to do from the PCI-SIG perspective would be to just use a proper sized single power cable. It would be better in pretty much every way even airflow. It is even dangerous if one of the wires fails your it can end up overloaded and a fire hazard outside of PCs supplying a single load with multiple unprotected circuits isn't even legal.
ISA buss is commonly still used in modern systems to connect a few simpler onboard chips like timer and realtime clock. I believer fan controller and PC speaker also connects over ISA
The ISA bus is effectively "connected" on modern systems through the Low Pin Count (LPC) bus. It occupies the same I/O address space: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Pin_Count The Super I/O chip (usually Nuvoton/Winbond) providing fan control, temp monitoring and legacy connectors, is connected via that bus, even on the very latest systems. :)
I have been messing with computers ever since age 8. I may not be way too old as my first system was a dell dimension 4000 or something with a p4. Today I use a i5 4590 / GTX 1080 system. Never have I ever seen so many curious questions that I thought were impossible to answer due to incompatibility get answered in one video, hope this gets millions of views! This shows just what windows will do to output to a display properly. Even simple GPUs (ones that are made before the term GPU) work properly. Interesting to see the old vista animation plays. crazy stuff like this is all I did as a kid, plugging stuff into computers and screwing with software. good times...
Actually the TPM header on new motherboards uses a ISA bus. There are diagnostic cards that show post codes from this TPM header. One example is the TL611 Pro that sells on aliexpress for 15 dollars.
Wait... So a huge problem with running old DOS games on modern hardware is isa sound cards. Is there enough pins on that tpm header to adapt it to a 8 or 16bit ISA slot?
For an Isa sound card connected via a tpm header You'd need an LPC to ISA bridge chip. Older TPMs connect using LPC which is logically compatible with ISA but not electrically compatible. The most Modern motherboards that have ISA slots are known to use LPC bridge chips so creating an adapter card with a bridge chip that plugs into a LPC header should in theory be doable. Whether or not this is truly dos compatible remains to be seen, This of course wont work on the most recent mother boards that have an SPI TPM header (newer than about 2015)
Ah yes, just the right thing to watch while installing Gentoo on a 500MHz Pentium 3 (just a laptop though, so no chance of me taking you up on the challenge to get amdgpu working)
Not just putting it together, but also doing it on some exotic backplane system. Reminds me of the adapter stack to run a Voodoo 5 on a modern board. As someone running a Pentium III 933 on an i815 board I can only say, well done. But wow, HD 6450, AMDs answer to the GT 710
I think the oldest PC hardware I put together was Pentium 2 or so. I don't think I ever messed w/ Pentium 3. I was of course peeking under the hood way back when 386 and 486 processors were a thing. I blew up my Parent's 386 PC (my first home PC) by trying to vacuum out the dust inside it. This was before I learned about how static electricity and PCs don't play nice together. :D
I recall that the first time PCI slots appeared on PC motherboards were during the 486 generation of processors. Imagine the pain of trying that with such a PC ! Incredible !
I actually found one of these adapters in an old IBM office PC that I was given years ago. I just assumed it was some proprietary thing rather than being part of the PCIe spec.
Pci is Pci e , we went from Pci to Agp then back to pci , but the new improved version of it so we can't really say it was not invented yet as it was , it was just the first version of pci - e. The pentium 3 socket is a 370.
Just for the LOLs i'd see if you can use this setup for GPU mining, where bandwidth/ram/cpu don't really matter, but you need a gpu with proper drivers installed. Not gonna make money, but the gpu would actually handle some proper load.
used that converter for my dad's dell dimension 2400 which he still uses btw, upgraded it to a radeon r9 360, also installed a 3ghz pentium 4, and 2gb of ram to help it along and a ssd. i was able to get skyrim working on it amazingly, not that he'd ever use it for that, he just types with it and wanted a larger screen, the onboard intel 845 gpu couldn't display a high enough resolution for the new screen.
Seems like I recall PLX making chips on certain motherboards that added additional PCI Express lanes so you could install additional devices beyond what the CPU could hand off bandwidth to.
Yesterday in the park: I7 12th gen: Hey, Pentium 3 bro, how do you like being a senior? P3 850: It's awesome, sometimes I process some DOS games, it's so low effort and easy, I even need socks and hats as I'm feeling too cold all the time.
"Dawid does tech" did a video where he uses one of these to strangle a poor 3080TI on a more modern PC running Windows 10. The video is called "How To Make An RTX 3080 Ti Slower Than A GT 710" and it was hilarious.
Never knew that those bridges would in the reserve. I have tried to use couple of PCI to PCIe bridges with Ryzen 5600x + B550M chipset to use old PCI sound cards to get OPL3 compatibility. Almost everytime when I play audio through the card, it plays for few seconds and crashes the PC. I think it definitely something to do with sharing IRQ even between the PCIe slots.
Huh? I was able to stream 720p Twitch with an ATI Rage Mobility 128 on a Pentium 3 1ghz laptop with 512mb ram. And it was smooth at 30fps. This level of anachronism is hilarious, and I love seeing older hardware pushed to its limits.
Same, i was able to watch at GeForce 4 Go, Celeron M 800MHz 25-50% utilization at max 18% Pentium M 1.1GHz LAV, DXVA copy back enabled, it happened 5-10 years after this laptop became obsolete, without LAV i had 100% utilization even at 480p 640x480, before i could not, not possible on Linux even on more modern hardware i own.
I've known about the bridge working both ways between PCI and PCI-E, but never considered actually trying it, this is pretty cool to see it's actually feasible. Also, you can't technically have a bottleneck if you get rid of the bottle and just have a neck, some real 4D chess going on here.
This dude clearly doesn't believe in ESD with the mobos directly on carpet, lol! This is cool, tho, seeing a throwback with the main board that connects to the main board; and doing things u can't do is always cool.
@@kadrix732 Is there friction when you unwind self-adhesive tape? There is definitely ESD, when tape layers detach from each other. You may even see sparks in darkness. And then, in case of carpet, simply you walking on it is friction already. But the worst outcome is discharge without visible/audible effects, so that you may not even know you killed something with ESD.
@@kadrix732 ikr, I just think of carpet as an ESD bank. It's a testament to the fact that ESD isn't the major risk it seems, probably almost as likely as lighning striking you; but if it happens, that anomaly suddenly means more than anything.
@@Mr.Leeroy Linus Tech Tips and Electroboom made a video on ESD where they purposely stunned components with an ESD gun. New components are extremely hard to kill with ESD, they had to try really hard to. So, while it's better safe than sorry, it's really not a massive issue, you have a much bigger chance of just toppling over and killing the parts by falling on them xD Edit: I made a mistake, turns out they actually shocked an older computer. New components have even more protection, making it an even lesser issue.
This was interesting. :) I would have liked to see a few tests of running games on it, if the modern GPU could have been working with 3D. :) And, for maybe a future video idea, what about comparing that, to a modern PC platform with a really old PCI video card? For example, something like an i9-12900KS on one of the few LGA 1700 motherboards that has a PCI slot, paired with an ATI Graphics Wonder PCI from 1992 :) A couple other ideas I think might be interesting would be to hook up an ancient hard or floppy drive (5.25" MFM or an even older 8" or 14" type) to a modern system (LGA 1700, AM5, WRX8, LGA4189, etc), or hook up a modern PCIe Gen 4 NVMe SSD to an ancient system that dates from the early 1980s or even older. :)
when you use a very powerful modern CPU that does not contain any iGPU/APU functionality (such as a Ryzen 9 5950X that does not contain a GPU), using it with a very old graphics card and present-day GNU/Linux as the operating system results in a situation that is kind of "cheating" because GNU/Linux is now home to llvmpipe, the most powerful software 3D renderer in history. This causes the most high-performance software configuration on such a system to become disabling all hardware 3D graphics drivers and using the display controller as a basic framebuffer, to display the results of using llvmpipe as a fully emulated GPU being executed entirely on the CPU as x86 instructions. I watched a 5950X in a _headless_ system with _no hardware GPU_ hit stable 60fps in Minecraft Java 1.19 on low settings at fullscreen 1080p, in a fully software Xorg virtual display through Sunshine-Moonlight remote desktop, which was ALSO using the CPU at the same time to encode the frames as x264 video to send them to my viewer through the ethernet connection. I expect that the results with very old graphics cards would be similar, with the overpowered CPU running the emulated GPU even faster due to the even smaller than 1080p resolution and not having to also process a virtual display and send it over network at the same time.
I can see using that bridge card on one of those OEM Pentium 4 boards that has PCI slots only. I’m going to try it with this eMachines board I have like that. Should be a fun little experiment. I’ll use XP so there will be real drivers usable for the GPU.
Or you could look for a zotac gt610 pci. They were available up till 2021ish. But other than a video output, they are nothing, due to pci being really slow and much other stuff of most mainboards hangs internally on the same bus. Like ethernet, internal audio, usb 1.1/2.0 host, some pata hosts, some sata 1 bridges...! So using pci for nothing but for giggles is ok, anything else is just self mutilation. Anyway, if "possible" use any old agp card, if not zotac and some other brands have you covered with "native" pci video adapters.
The PCIe to PCI is nice and all, but to really have a bit of fun try bridging PCIe to PCI-X. I have several Dual and Quad Opteron boards with Socket 940 and they all have PCI-X slots and I wanted to play a bit with Infiniband and storage controllers, but did not want to spend money on PCI-X cards, or wanted to adapt PCIe video card in one of those mobos, I don't really remember anymore what I wanted to do and did a ton of research on PCIe to PCI-X (100Mhz and 133Mhz 64bit) bridges. It turns out there were only two manufacturers who made them and they are not available anywhere anymore. I found the bridge chips, probably on aliexpress or something, and was ready to fire-up KiCAD and desing a bridge card myself, until I found out how many layers the PCB had to have. On top of that the impedance requirements and the number of differential pairs would have made the entire project so expensive, that I just gave up. At one point there were a small number of commercially available PCIe to PCI-X bridge cards, similar to the PLX bridge, and they were fairly expensive even at the time, but now are impossible to find, as they might have ended up in landfills. The interesting part of the PCIe to PCI-X or 64bit PCI bridges, would be the ability to play with PCIe cards in some old G4 and G5 Macs. On top of the entire PCI/PCI-X 32bit/64bit and the different clock speeds of the bus, PCI/PCI-X had another major headache causing problem - some were 3.3V, some were 5V, and some ports and controllers supported both. The computer era in the early 2000s was such a chaotic era in terms of peripheral, bus and interconnect design, on top of ISA/PCI/PCI-X/PCIe, you also had the HyperTransport bus that in itself was co-developed with the people who were basically DEC (under a new name) that were working on Alpha CPUs, you had variety of CPU architectures all with their idiosyncrasies in their FSBs and interconnects and you had to interface those to PCI or PCI-X peripherals, etc. Nowadays everything is so streamlined (however not simple at all, especially if you have to design hardware, as manufacturing and design requirements are extremely tight), essentially PCIe everywhere and for everything and you are good to go. Btw, nice video, I love a bit of cool, but absolutely pointless technology (this, I think, is a term coined by ElReg, but I might be wrong), as a weekend project.
There is no PCI to ISA adapters as far as I know that were commercially available. ISA to PCI adapters seem to exist but only allow you to connect ISA cards to the PCI which was likely a stopgap solution for for companies needing to use legacy ISA devices in their production at the time while they replaced some very expensive industrial hardware that needed them to operate.
games can be runed at software mode in Unreal tournament and even Unreal tournament 2004 - a 700mgz co are minimum on ut2004 thou and in case of ut2004 ou need to tweak the .ini file in unreal tournament/system -there are 2 tweakble files both ini s
