Taking into account the American truck relies on a big machine at either end of the trip to set it up while the Aussie truck sets itself up, the Aussie truck wins. The logs the Aussie truck carries will be a lot heavier too. North Americans don’t realise how dense and heavy eucalyptus Australian hard wood is.
Setup time....slightly faster for the Aussie. If you cut out the time showing the American truck backing in, which they did not show for the Aussie, not that much faster. Faster, but only slightly. Cost? Holy mother of god, that has got to be a pricey unit. The American rig costs 1/4 of the cost or less. The loader at either end? Exactly how in the hell do you think the logs get on the truck mate? And off the truck at the mill. Big ass loaders. Also, he is showing a standard log unit. There are heavy haul versions. Not sure where that video was shot, but it was for sure not in the NW USA. 8 axles is the norm in that part of the world, not 5.
The Aussie b-double - seems more agile too (even the single folding jinker trailers) being turntable connected - and self assembling / disassembling with no rigid pole to stow. (Also the prime mover can haul regular semi/low loader trailers also - a Ringfeder coupler on the prime-mover/tractor can allow it to hook up to any pole or drawbar trailer also) -of course there are rigs designed for big single trunk-load hardwoods/ softwoods, or plantation trunks, in both countries. ( Folding B-triples for highway hauling plantation pine too) (Edit spelling)
@kdegraa how is that Australia truck going to get the logs on the truck again? Oh yes, with another piece of equipment. The same piece of equipment that would unload the much cheaper, and lighter American truck.
I’m sure both countries’ logging industries use equipment that makes sense for their environment, roads, etc. And, maybe both sides can learn and benefit from the thought process and ingenuity of the other. Different doesn’t equal wrong, it’s just different.
No. This is TYPICAL of EVERYTHING I see that's American. Cars and all. A cheaper more primitive method EVERY time, usually using inferior materials, castings, rivets where we use bolts, etc. And for some reason, industrial equipment is ALWAYS the more primitive version. You realise all the Toyotas and fords you get and many other vehicles are some elses OLD version? I knew Australian toyota workers and they would be packing up the old press dies for the panels to send them to the US factory for their "new" model whichwas our old one. But our electronics are a couple years behind every time. We have high emissions standards and fuel consumption standards than the US our emissions standards are higher than many other countries. Oh, and btw, we often use trucks with 2 to 4 trailers. Almost NONE going interstate are less than 2 trailers and outback ones are always 3 minimum, sometimes 4, hence why we call them road trains.
@@OffGridInvestoronce again, Americans thinking they’re best in the world when they’re actually a third world country being conned into thinking they’re the best. Australia is heading that way too. Both countries have the potential to have the best quality of life possible, but the rich and powerful have got everyone brainwashed.
@@OffGridInvestor America may use older tech to get the job done but there's a reason for that. Efficiency makes money. If you use modern tech for everything then things start to get pretty expensive to maintain over time. Toyota's get tested where reliability standards are lower, which is then sent to the mainstream American market once they've worked out the kinks.
For all you americans saying too mant moving parts, its literally 2 trailers that fold in the middle, you put the trailer brakes on and reverse backwards, its folds up, you release the brakes and it comes off the trailer
You also have to think about all the pivot points, bushings that go with them, The hydraulic systems, The hoses and cables that have to fold and unfold constantly, The fact that there's a set of tires thats always touching the ground means that they're going to wear quicker than the rest of the trailer, the upkeep cost is much higher as a result. And then think about the load that trailer is moving. Those logs are waaayyyy heavier than what's going on an American trailer requiring a stiffer better constructed trailer which again comes with added cost. I bet that thing is expensive as hell compared to the American trailer. And also think about how 90% of American trailers dont come apart like the one in this video does.
The main thing is, in Australia you can put 44 tons payload on a log trailer and still be legal on all public roads. Unloading and re loading a top trailer from a B double set takes about 30 seconds any where, no need to hold up a loader. And they are very manoeuvrable.
They aren't that very maneuvered and you get more payload on just cause the laws, the US system is more simple and can get around way better, and alot cheaper and easier to maintain cause alot less parts. These are impressive but its making a simple job more complicated
Another thing is our weight limits are so strict but the US roads are way waaay better than Australian ones its rare to see a pothole, but my 40t legal truck can get 27.5t payload on. I should say I am a Australian driving log truck in America
@deanhollingsworth7938 here in alberta we have summer weights and winter weights, 63.500 kgs in the summer and depending on your configuration. I pull a jeep an a hay rack and I'm good for 52T in the winter
Canada here. depending on what part of the country you're from, there are many variations of log hauling. we haul shortwood, tree length and cut to length. we use pole trailers, super B's, tree length trailers, full length trailers rigged for shortwood or CTL (cut to length), self loading trucks, self loading trailers. we have 8'6" bunks on up to 12' (or wider bunks). we haul saw logs, pulp logs and OSB logs. we haul logs on highway and off-highway. every country adapts the technology to their needs; so the real winner is everybody.
I was gunna say that no one who drinks XXXX would be smart enough to make something like this, but then I looked up Kennedy Trailers and found out they drink VB, which is worse. ;p
Canadian log yard operator for a large regional sawmill here. We have a few haul trucks that come in with those fancy hydraulic trailers, but around 90% are the american style manual trailers. I've also noticed that the hydraulic trailers are much longer (in my experience) and look like they're made for 30'+ stems while the manual trailers are much shorter at around 20-30' and can have two trailers in my province
The west coast”American” style has its place. You can shorten or lengthen the distance between the bunks quickly and they are very light. The other thing most people over look is that the logs pull the trailer. When you hook up a log trailer one of the first things you do is flip the bail which releases the compensator. The hitch steers the trailer, but that’s it. You carry the load way up on the truck and get the benefit of steering the trailer from way in the back of the truck. You can make the trailer almost follow the truck tracks. So narrow roads are more easily handled. Also could you imagine trying to find air leaks or a broken wire on that? Lots of places to look I guess!
For sure it’s cool watching how we do it in Australia. But it makes sense for the distances the logs etc. while other countries I’m guessing it wouldn’t. Nothing cooler than watching a double come in with full length logs on two forty footers. With the longest dolly pull in the world
There is a reason each truck works the way it works. In Australia they have much different laws/restrictions regarding weights and lengths. Im going to guess Australia isn't mountainous like logging areas of the US, or at least where i live. Since I live in the US, I cant comment any further on how/why the Australian truck is how it is...but Id guess because its a great option and works very effectively. The US style logging truck shown is everywhere where i live, and its setup that way for a reason. Generally logging trucks here have an extended frame past the rear drive axle to make it act like a dramatic bumper pull trailer, meaning as they take switchbacks on the mountain roads and logging trails, the end of the frame kicks out opposite of the way the truck is going which in turn makes the trailer swing in a way that keeps the trailer tandems in nearly the same footprint of the drive tires allowing them to more easily navigate the sharp turns and switchbacks of mountain roads and dozer trails. Its a simple, yet extremely effective way of keeping weight low on the truck/trailer (80k lbs max in CA) and making it easier to drive. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xMuESlQkg3U.html Good demo on American logging trucks and how they can turn.
Agreed, some of the most memorable times of my life were spent with my grandfather hauling logs around the Gloucester/Nowendoc areas in NSW. Not being able to see the track in front of you because its just dissapeared over a crest and having pop engage diff locks to ensure it tracks straight because the front wheels are not on the ground, looking out the side widows as the steer tyres push rocks off the side of the road and watching them roll into the valley below while the jimmy screams its note through the bush. Terrifying and exilerating at the same time.
@@Mate-My-DayI wasn't saying it's NOT mountainous, I could only guess by the design of the truck it wasn't the same as where I live. Unfortunately, I've never seen much about Australia that wasnt open expanse, a major city or about how every living thing is deadly. But after doing a bunch of looking, I found some pictures of the Great Dividing Range that look incredibly stunning and is actually eerily similar to the foothills I live in at the base of the Rockies. The only major difference seems to be the types of trees covering the landscape.
@@rodneyward7679 yeah. The reason why we have those types of trailers is because the trees here in Australia are very very heavy and sometimes there that heavy that were full halfway through loading (meaning you could get a payload of 50 - 70 ton of logs if you fully fill the trailers up
Arkansas here. If you think the log trucks here give a flyin F about "weight" you are very sadly mistaken. They're out there rolling around, carving ruts in the road pushing 200,000 lbs gross. They aren't supposed to, but they do it. If they don't have to go past a scale house, they'll stack that four bunk up with wet Loblolly Pine all the way to the top of the posts and run it.
I still say West Coast Canada has the best looking logging trucks out there. Nothing looks better coming out of the bush than a big tridrive and tridem pole trailer grossed out at 56,000 kg. You got a big butt 'n' top loader sitting there on the landing, you don't need the added complexity and weight of a folding setup. Just pick the trailer off and flip up the stakes. Barely takes 3 minutes. You're paid by weight so the more you can stack on there legally the more $$$$ in your pocket.
We use a very similar but much simpler system here in the US as well. It's a hop on trailer, usually on a selfloading truck. The Australian truck looks to me like you would give up way too much payload...
@Mate-My-Day Here in Washington State we are aloud 105,500 lbs with proper bridge lengths and 8 axles. A light wieght truck with 8 axles can get that 40 ton payload. Laws are different here in the US from state to state.
So there actually are log trucks that connect to the trailer through a coupling. That's interesting. In Germany the logs are the coupling. The long ones anyway (like 60+ ft).
@@gordonloessl2822 there's plenty of videos about Canadian log trucks. What would you like to see. 130 ton fat trucks , 8 axle super B trains 5,6, 7 axle log logs or tri drive - quads. You probably find the Fat trucks most interesting.
Thank the police state politicians for that. Those trees are out there but unfortunately can’t be turned into logs so we just import them now@@Mate-My-Day
All jinkers are jinkers but not all log trailers are jinkers... that makes sense? A jinker would be a specific type of trailer where you have the logs essentially joining the two halves of the trailer together and the logs become part of the trailer... the pole that connects front to back via the ball race and pivots is only to help load/unload the trailer and to keep the bits pointing in the same general direction. We have a lot of log trailers that are more of a chassis trailer - two I-beams running front to back with log bolsters sitting on the chassis. Those trailers are able to carry more shortwood or cut to length timber.
Just from a different perspective, wouldn’t the self fold/unfold (hydraulic or otherwise) be a safer option? The truck driver doesn’t rely on an operator of a completely different machine to work in tandem. As crane operator I’d rather use a bigger crane than do a dual lift. Here north of Brisbane at Narrangba they use a front end loader, they unload a double in a few minutes. I’ve never driven in the logging industry.
I ran a log loader in Canada one summer when I was 15, you sit high enough you have a great view of what you’re doing, and the controls are sensitive enough you can finesse your movements pretty well, but like you said, trusting someone else’s skills can be kind of scary in such big equipment.
And then there is the Canadian logging truck... ru-vid.comATnPwlkVKnQ Ok, ok, apples and oranges. It is an off road only truck and yes, it needs a machine to load and unload the trailer... The two dark strips on the road after the truck passes is water from the water cooled brakes. The headache rack behind the cab doubles as a water tank....
Really,, who gives a flying fire truck who is the best, I drove a log truck carrying plantation pine for 8 years over a mountain range to coppers logs, average weight about 36 tonnes, and I drove Mack’s, Kenworths and Volvo’s all much the same, lots of gears lots of sore bums and backs.
@@davidcat1455 No back in the logs woods we want shit that don't fail and cost time and money, Quite frankly we don't need that bullshit to get it done. If you think we can't build trucks like that you're stupid. We don't have because we don't want them. And out in the western US they do use these trucks so there's that.
Well seeings that there’s always a grab to load and unload these trucks at pickup and drop off I don’t really see the need for the extra 60 to 100 grand (just an inflated guess for these inflated times) for the magic button that I guarantee won’t work when you really need it sometime. It is cool no doubt but the truck ain’t loading itself so why bother? There is also the fact of paying to drag that extra un paying weight. All the gear for that unfolded adds up and that means increased diesel consumption and less profit and these days every dime matters.
- the single trailer folding log trucks (jinkers) worked even before the days of hydraulic-everything - iunlock the pole, back it up against a bank (or tree) and it folds up (or winch the folding pole into place) - reverse to unload - if it gets stuck, there are always chains and horsepower - it "never fails".. For real head scratcher, look up the Elphinstone EasyLoader B-Triple - mostly hauling plantation pine.
Australian. I’ve loaded folding and ridged trailer B-doubles. Generally folding is used for tight roads and loading areas, back in pads, small turn around. More ridged generally drive thru/around the blocks or have a approx 50m diameter turning loop.
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Exactly. Ridicules or unwarranted the object of the game is to haul the most for less. I’d rather pay for the gas to haul the ton of wood that paid me than the ton of extra steel, hydraulic rams, pumps and electrical wiring that comes with that self unfolded.
@@Bear-kr3gr no hydraulics or electrics mate it uses the trailer brakes and gravity, how come you don't cut trees down with an axe then? Less to go wrong?
@@Bigsoot7393why? Production. More for less. Harvester=more production than an ax. Not really sure what that has to do with this though. All I saying is it’s more weight to haul for the exact same outcome. Thus less money for the owner with the fancy hinged gravity dropped trailer that works off the truck breaks and looks to weigh twice as much as the other model. If you like it more power to you buddy it’s your right to do whatever you want with your money.
I have never seen anyone with a semi foldup log trailer in aus (i work in the industry in wa) we run pocket road train setups majority non foldable we also run some b double log setups and some people are running foldable road train setups (dog trailer folds onto lead trailer)
@@Mate-My-Day yea okay interesting only native logging is shutting down should still be plenty of plantation logging going on eastern states i would of thought? wa has plantation logging and we still log some of the natives
@@Mate-My-Day i believe our pocket road trains (27.5M Long Vehicle) here are classified as Road Trains on eastern states but i dont know that for a fact
@@andrewdraper9275 -?? a double train - (A2), some operators are running doubles right into ports in NSW (I'm around Newcastle, see them nearly daily).. (the pocket version are as long as a (long) b-double (27m) ) the long A2 version are 36.5m.. (Long Vehicle, or Roadtrain - semantics, as the actual config needs to be permitted on the routes run.)
Silly Aussies. Transformers are for kids. Just kidding. Nice rig but I'd hate to run over 120,000 pounds down a Coast Mountain logging road from 2000 m to the sea over 30 kms and a shitload of switchbacks here in British Columbia Canada. To each his own. Use what works for you. There are reasons for all of it or we'd all go out of business using the wrong tools Cheers from Canada.
if it's the trailer from the start then i agree but if its the trailer at the end then i agree a tiny bit (cause its has hydrolics that makes it unfold)
how much more does it cost, and if something breaks how much more does it cost to fix...the australia trucks seems more things that can break or go wrong but it is kool though
the price depeneds on age so around $100,000 - $30,000 and it's rarely breaks down and only thing what can break is the bolsters with cost $1,000 - $2,500 to fix when they get bent but it's just tyre's which cost the most with a full set costing $5,000 - $10,000
But this is the thing. ALMOST ALL American industrial equipment is crude AF and I've seen warehouses STILL using forklifts from the early 70s while almost every warehouse in Australia doesn't have anything more than 8 years old, often replacing stuff at 4 or 5 years old. They have bridges from the 50s and 60s still in use while we replace EVERY bridge including backboards in the country after 40 years. Literally a backboard near me that has got a new bridge recently with no more than 15 cars a day.
I like Australia loghing trailers to me its more convenient faster and less time to prep the truck before loading and it cuts time with the liader as well what is cost of Australia logging trailers
the cost of the trailer (mini B) is around $ 100,000 - $ 30,000 depends on age a long Jinker (old school trailers 15 metres to 12.5 metres) with 2 bolster is around $ 25,000 - $ 5,000 agian depends on age a non-folding log trailer this includes 1 A-trailer or B-Tralier (for B-Doubles) is between $ 80,000 - $ 20,000 agian depends on age aswell folding trailers this includes 1 A-trailer or B-trailer is between $ 150,000 - $ 45,000 depends on age yet again
In the western US they do use some of these trucks but not often. Too expensive, Too slow, Too heavy and to complicated(failure points ,not hard to operate)) and our terrain don't suit these trucks as well as we don't have to haul logs 500 miles to the mill like they do in unpopulated Australia. Fact is we don't like things that can fail out in the log woods and those trucks have many opportunities to fail. And you need a loader on each end anyway. Unless you have a self loader(Crane truck, yes we have those too), Then these trucks still just don't make since in the US. As stated they are slower then doing it with the loader. So cost more, Fail more, weigh more and take more time I don't think Aussies like making money.
There's nothing to fail mate,it's all mechanical and gravity? Haha so a loader has to unload the trailer instead of loading trucks? Unloading trailers isn't making you money! Also logging in Australia certainly isn't flat hahaha
@@Bigsoot7393 Waiting on that slow ass thing ain't making money ,I can unfold our trailer faster than that thing undoes it's self so yeah I'm making money. So gravity alone works that trailer ,No hydraulics? B.S. and Hydraulics can fail.
@@1BlackSheep yeah but you're tying up a loader while unloading your trailer? When it could be loading a truck? There's no hydraulics mate, watch it again, it's just releasing the trailer brakes in a sequence
American system is cheap and dumb...... keep it simple stupid. Kind of a common theme for the region....... The Aussie system is great of you don't have support, but I notice the truck didn't have a HIAB Grab on it to load itself, so it would need a loader at each end anyway..... swings and indeed roundabouts.....
Definitely need a loader to load and this would load at possibly five time the pace. At the drop many facilities run a drive through grapple that offloads and rolls in less than a minute.
