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@LexClips
@LexClips Год назад
Full podcast episode: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iZRbD7q1n-U.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: ru-vid.com Guest bio: John Danaher is one of the greatest coaches and minds in martial arts history.
@josephbreza-grappling9459
@josephbreza-grappling9459 Год назад
As a young wrestler, my coaches strongly encouraged us to go to tournaments every weekend to get as many matches as possible in a year. So, many of us would sign up for two weight classes or two styles (freestyle and greco for example), so that you could get s minimum of four matches (double elimination) in a day. This strategy works. It puts you in competition so you have to face the fears of losing. The fear of losing is a common roadblock and prevents many people from ever doing it. You can’t expect children to understand the psychology of those fears (What if I’m not good enough), so you just encourage them to do it and praise them for doing so. As a coach, I encouraged my athletes to do this and voluntarily drove them all over the state on weekends. For those who did this, they went very far in the sport. Many of those who went very far weren’t the most exceptional athletes. They were just dedicated to competition.
@KitagumaIgen
@KitagumaIgen Год назад
The only way to practice the art of competing one has to compete, it is different in kind compared to any type of training. ...and by doing that one learns to compete and to lose (both doing it with grace and enduring it in pain).
@josephbreza-grappling9459
@josephbreza-grappling9459 Год назад
@@KitagumaIgen 100%!! Most of my biggest lessons came from competition. All the discipline of training and weight cutting-you leave a part of yourself on the mat. No doubt that I used my competition experiences to train more specifically. Without the competition, I wouldn’t have developed my discipline for training. I hated losing, so I trained hard…and if I lost, I knew I had to develop a plan to correct what I was doing wrong out there in competition. I believe it is important for people to compete, especially when they are young, to develop a mindset for discipline and put yourself out there. It’s vulnerable to put yourself out there, but the character it builds is priceless
@luke53285
@luke53285 Год назад
I grew up in this wrestling culture, I did end up going very far, but I will say the burnout this style causes is unreal.
@josephbreza-grappling9459
@josephbreza-grappling9459 Год назад
@@luke53285 it certainly can. I found that for myself, burnout came from weight cutting and focusing so much on the outcome, rather that just trusting the process. I later figured that out and worked hard with kids to learn how to have fun out there and not weigh so heavily on the outcome. You aren’t a loser because you lost a match. Easier said when it is in the past, but it is true. You learn so much from trying so hard and it not working out actually, that those loses really help you to gain so much in the future with other aspects in your life
@dennistrieswrestling
@dennistrieswrestling Год назад
“When you see a magician and you have his tricks explained to you, you never see the magic again” that’s deeply profound
@vecter
@vecter Год назад
Isn't that kinda obvious...
@frankjacob8360
@frankjacob8360 Год назад
And simple
@TDashem
@TDashem Год назад
When I see the magician, and have his trick explained to me…I still can’t do it.
@NickMart1985
@NickMart1985 Год назад
When you apply this how your country is run, and how the businesses around you function, and how the systems you believe in actually operate, it changes literally everything. 80% of the population believes in the illusion.
@arzheenothman1719
@arzheenothman1719 Год назад
can someone explain this? and how it relates to competition?
@WuDan_BaDGeR
@WuDan_BaDGeR Год назад
This is man’s Legacy and respect amongst the BJJ/MMA community will last for generations. What an icon. I love that he’s done so much for the sport. A true martial artist.
@c.galindo9639
@c.galindo9639 Год назад
This man is an athletic training guru. He understands how to relieve the image that being out in a grand staged event will bring psychologically to a fighter or any athlete that may feel overwhelmed to be watched over and focused on in such a grandiose spectacle. Simply stunning and really relieving to have this man’s insight and knowledge on the matter
@metaphor5774
@metaphor5774 Год назад
This insight works for dissecting one’s anxiety in daily life too
@100Denario
@100Denario Год назад
This guy is the Cus D’Amato of BJJ. I love trainer philosophers.
@rumckinley
@rumckinley Год назад
Your videos never cease to open my brain and put me in such a wonderful state. I love the Lex Fridman podcast! You never cease to bring out the beauty in such vastly differing subjects, in effect, providing so much evidence for our unity. Thank you, I love you, I’m sorry I don’t have any more interesting comments! Love this video!
@JA-xg5dp
@JA-xg5dp Год назад
Well articulated
@harryzed9090
@harryzed9090 Год назад
I think that most people here who point out that match intensity is so different than practice, forget to match the match intensity for short periods in their training. I play soccer and in our grouptraining we never match the actual match intensity. That's a big mistake. But I solve it for myself by once a week performing a 15 min horribly tough workout where I can feel my muscles burn and fatigue like in a match. It really helps because then you don't get that overwhelming 'wow fck this is intense' feeling during matches anymore.
@FR-ty5vn
@FR-ty5vn 2 месяца назад
I was a striker - you should try Jiu Jitsu…
@jpgjohnnie
@jpgjohnnie Год назад
Fire pod Lex! Thanks big dog
@stdavis22
@stdavis22 Год назад
I think the best approach is to treat training sessions with the same focus and intensity as competition. You wont rise to the occasion, you''ll fall to the level of your training when under pressure. Im not relating this to jiu jitsu, my competition is in pool/billiards. I practice as if im playing the best in the world, if I miss i consider it a loss and rack to start over. Then when I get into competition im already i the mindset of no mistakes, play perfect, and thats the standard
@bulmer69JR
@bulmer69JR Год назад
You have to get used to the realm of competition though, thats why it makes it different. Sure we have hard fight days in the gym but, theres nothing quite like walking out to a crowd of people with loud music and, your opponents friends and family yelling to kill you. Its easier in the gym because you're comfortable but you need to get comfortable competing or the nerves can get to you sometimes.
@josephbreza-grappling9459
@josephbreza-grappling9459 Год назад
“The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.” -Theodore Roosevelt
@harryzed9090
@harryzed9090 Год назад
You missed the whole point. That family cheering, the music, the entourage etc, it's all an illusion and people (including your family) believing in that illusion. And it's up to you not to believe the illusion, but just practice the sport like you did so many times
@josephbreza-grappling9459
@josephbreza-grappling9459 Год назад
@@harryzed9090 he’s definitely right about that. You can get all caught up in that when it comes down to it, it’s just a man against a man. I loved how he described that.
@teancumwilliam2929
@teancumwilliam2929 Год назад
trying to block it out is the hard part
@sbreslin41
@sbreslin41 Год назад
Great insight
@The_Zefside
@The_Zefside Год назад
Yes! I love learning from John Danaher!
@PrisonOrDeathPenalty4Congress
Lex almost short circuited when John made a joke about joes meaty head.
@tommyrq180
@tommyrq180 Год назад
All the pageantry helped me concentrate and perform better than I ever could in the wrestling room (practice) or gym (judo). The illusion was important for my concentration and optimal mental state. I was never a very good practice athlete. Everyone is different.
@obscurelines
@obscurelines Год назад
I remember FreddieRoach saying that Anderson Silva was nothing to look at in the gym and then would step out in the octogon and starch people. For my part (mostly judo for many years), I'd overgrip in regional comps and blow myself out like a minute into a fight. By the end of a comp I'd be almost ill. Something I'd never managed even in intensive training.
@livingshadows6731
@livingshadows6731 Год назад
100% agree and I'm a professional athlete
@fyelow9123
@fyelow9123 Год назад
@@livingshadows6731 Someone like Israel Adesanya plays into the performance and allows this "Illusion" to give him strength in his own narrative, is this similar to what you do in your sport?
@scooble
@scooble Год назад
I can relate this to motorcycle racing. When in the 'zone', I literally used to dispassionately perceive other riders as objects on the track that i needed to negotiate, much like a corner. There was no rage or animosity, but looking back, it felt scary that I didn't care whether they lived or died.
@Morgan-ws1ng
@Morgan-ws1ng Год назад
Sure buddy. I bet you’ve never been on a motorcycle in your life.
@kylebell466
@kylebell466 Год назад
@@Morgan-ws1ng yeah couse its sooooo hard and exclusive to get a motorcycle and race the thing. just couse you have a whitebread life doesnt mean everyone else does. go eat shit.
@scooble
@scooble Год назад
@@Morgan-ws1ng yeah...sure; ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gIPcRKQxDeA.html
@katschrodinger954
@katschrodinger954 Год назад
@@Morgan-ws1ng How did you get into the zone prior to a meet?
@Morgan-ws1ng
@Morgan-ws1ng Год назад
@@katschrodinger954 I don’t need to. I just see red and go
@frankmartorell3853
@frankmartorell3853 Год назад
i think this could actually apply with anything like artist, scientists, etc...
@PaulWTaber-zd8ds
@PaulWTaber-zd8ds Год назад
When money is on the line it’s different than training, it’s not an illusion if money and other benefits come from competition
@darylfoster7944
@darylfoster7944 Год назад
Exactly. A putt for a million dollars is not the same as a putt on the practice green. Or making a free thow with 5 seconds left in a playoff game. Most people actually fail in those situations.
@VGEmblem
@VGEmblem Год назад
That's why you separate it in your mind to just see it as another day. Plus you already think of those things while training (for motivation)
@edstoffregen3623
@edstoffregen3623 Год назад
this thought process can be applied to other sports beside fighting: any competition-archery, running, disc golf, downhill skiing. Get it in your mind just another practice session
@jimmieraper5807
@jimmieraper5807 Год назад
Teams dedication is what keeps me going.
@NickMart1985
@NickMart1985 Год назад
Business, politics, everything.
@darylfoster7944
@darylfoster7944 Год назад
Putting for a million dollars is not the same as putting on the practice green. It just isn't.
@stdavis22
@stdavis22 Год назад
I think the better approach is to treat training sessions with the same focus and intensity as competition. You wont rise to the occasion, you''ll fall to the level of your training when under pressure. Im not relating this to jiu jitsu, my competition is in pool/billiards. I practice as if im playing the best in the world, if I miss i consider it a loss and rack to start over. Then when I get into competition im already i the mindset of no mistakes, play perfect, and thats the standard
@NickMart1985
@NickMart1985 Год назад
@@stdavis22 billiards doesn’t destroy your body. Even golf will destroy you physically if you don’t take it easy.
@hfspace
@hfspace Год назад
I disagree that competition is the same as training. the difference in intensity matters. There is a difference if you get hit full force or restrained as in training (to prevent injuries), so that you can get away with less as the consequences are more grave.
@KitagumaIgen
@KitagumaIgen Год назад
One Wednesday I dislocated my shoulder, that Friday I managed one hard cross-country training session just fine, the race Saturday I had to abandon because it was significantly different - and impossible to do at race-level intensity.
@VGEmblem
@VGEmblem Год назад
You don't play fighting 👍
@Guywithair2
@Guywithair2 Год назад
I can just think about a tournament and my heart rate will shoot up.. that is how anxious I am.
@nateswain4633
@nateswain4633 2 месяца назад
I'm exactly the same. It's elevated now listening to this. I'm working on it
@Guywithair2
@Guywithair2 2 месяца назад
@@nateswain4633 yup lol same. I did compete in October for a super fight. I was tired after 20 seconds. It was submission only and ended up being a draw.
@benji9871
@benji9871 Год назад
All models are wrong, but some models are useful- interesting & useful mindset here, imo
@miroslavbogdantsaliev931
@miroslavbogdantsaliev931 Год назад
Lex, check the Bulgarian system of training and you’d be amazed.
@torotheplumber3788
@torotheplumber3788 Год назад
Dunno about this one ....This is the most difficult thing to do . Never been able to do it with just telling myself it's all smoke and mirrors lol ...don't know how else to get rid of the nerves unless you compete all the time and desensitize yourself
@margaretbooth384
@margaretbooth384 Год назад
Zen and the Art of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or the Roman Coliseum?
@miroslavbogdantsaliev931
@miroslavbogdantsaliev931 Год назад
There is a training system developed by a Bulgarian weight lifting coach which contradicts what is said here. What he achieved is unmatched in history. Check Ivan Abadjiev (Иван Абаджиев)! His system was based on competition intensity but when he was asked to apply it in the US, it failed because of the US athletes mentality who simply were unable to coop with the pressure.
@Iaintrussian
@Iaintrussian Год назад
"The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on youtube. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to train... when you're on the podium..."
@MrJetlagfever
@MrJetlagfever Год назад
Hi Lex, You may or may not have asked John this already, but does Gordon Ryan get nervous or fearful before competition?
@bruceleroy8063
@bruceleroy8063 Год назад
Somehow I think Fedor knew this 🤔
@keenb641
@keenb641 Год назад
This applies to life.
@PcCAvioN
@PcCAvioN Год назад
Sweat on the training ground saves blood on the battle ground
@Mandude32
@Mandude32 7 месяцев назад
1:44
@ColaCocaMan
@ColaCocaMan Год назад
Intensity of Conflict: The varying acts of intensity onto another being during engagement.
@darylfoster7944
@darylfoster7944 Год назад
Except that the "performance" may involve a huge sum of money. That's where pressure is created.
@IvarTheBoneless101
@IvarTheBoneless101 Год назад
And that is the illusion. Money has the value you place on it so if you big it up as something important you’ll create artificial pressure
@darylfoster7944
@darylfoster7944 Год назад
@@IvarTheBoneless101 money always has some value, although it varies from person to person. I doubt if you could find a single professional athlete that would play for free, no matter how much they say they love the game. So it's not really an illusion.
@IvarTheBoneless101
@IvarTheBoneless101 Год назад
@@darylfoster7944 agreed up to a point. People absolutely do have other interests which can supersede financial ones. Saying “I want” brings about fear, pain, anxiety and emotions. But it’s completely relatively to what you want in relation to what you already have, what you’re trying to gain, what you’re trying to protect etc. If you have positive experiences in high pressure situations you slowly reduce the fear pain and anxiety in similar future situations. If you stand to lose a lot then the want becomes stronger and the responsibility adds pressure. Therefore while it is real, the effects are absolutely an illusion because they are so tangible based on these factors. For optimal performance it’s ideal to change perception to minimise negative effects and maximise positive ones.
@forever1437
@forever1437 Год назад
Hashem blessed me with your existence.
@youngxtho5188
@youngxtho5188 Год назад
The mental aspect of competition causes some people to perform lower because of the pressure That’s the difference
@MIbra96
@MIbra96 Год назад
Not that easy with something like boxing. Training is rarely as intense because otherwise you'll end up as a vegetable.
@MrRumcajs1000
@MrRumcajs1000 Год назад
He's not honest when he says the competition is the same as training and even himself later acknowledges the difference in the intensity. Also, what he didn't consider is the fact that in special circumstances where there is more on the line a human body is capable of much more than in training because it's being pushed by the determination of the mind and I'd think that he would be the type of person to study that closely.
@oldmanpoopie
@oldmanpoopie Год назад
listen fully before you comment
@JustMe-999a
@JustMe-999a Год назад
blah blah blah
@michaelweb7416
@michaelweb7416 Год назад
You just came to be edgy🤣
@kylebell466
@kylebell466 Год назад
@@michaelweb7416 how is anything he said edgy, you guys are just seething couse hes not echo chambering jon
@MrRumcajs1000
@MrRumcajs1000 Год назад
@@oldmanpoopie great argument! He literally said 'Nah. It's the same.' though.
@nickmills8476
@nickmills8476 Год назад
And so the spell was broken
@sebastianlowe7727
@sebastianlowe7727 Год назад
The training has training has to be carefully monitored, intensive, intensively lExipHmapHlala
@alvarez.l9422
@alvarez.l9422 Год назад
You think he watches WWE
@vasilshkutov2890
@vasilshkutov2890 Год назад
I love this episode, but…he just had to wear that , didn’t he.
@Tiger-zt8sr
@Tiger-zt8sr Год назад
Does John ever wear a normal shirt?
@ben6591
@ben6591 Год назад
Yeahhh this doesn't work for boxing man
@MrAntup
@MrAntup Год назад
There is no winning in training
@Looshington
@Looshington Год назад
ben simmons needs to watch this clip lol
@JP-zz6ql
@JP-zz6ql Год назад
😂
@HalConick
@HalConick Год назад
The pageantry seems to be the game for Simmons.
@chychywoohoo
@chychywoohoo Год назад
Misinterpretation in the title as usual
@jaywalshmusicandsong1736
@jaywalshmusicandsong1736 Год назад
I'm not sure you understand how RU-vid works.
@chychywoohoo
@chychywoohoo Год назад
@@jaywalshmusicandsong1736 a little too well
@xchargerOUx
@xchargerOUx Год назад
I whole heartedly agree with this concept. That competition is the root of all evil in humanity.
@jimmieraper5807
@jimmieraper5807 Год назад
Hat ♃
@NickMart1985
@NickMart1985 Год назад
Foolish. Competition is the root of everything great about humanity. People competing makes your trivial life possible.
@xchargerOUx
@xchargerOUx Год назад
@@NickMart1985 says the simpleton
@Thebisneychannel
@Thebisneychannel Год назад
Pride is worse than competition
@PaulWTaber-zd8ds
@PaulWTaber-zd8ds Год назад
When money is on the line it’s different than training, it’s not an illusion if money and other benefits come from competition
@harryzed9090
@harryzed9090 Год назад
You won't have influence on the money. You only have influence in performing the sport as best as you can and that is the only thing you should simply do and focus on. The necessity to focus on the rest is the illusion
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