They are forced to have 12 children but aren't allowed to have coffee? That is cruel and unusual punishment. I've raised 7 children, our 5 bio children & 2 foster children. Coffee is NEEDED morning to night for ultimate survival. Sorry, but no coffee is enough reason to quit a religion.
Even more weird, when you look at it with European eyes. We see religions that don't allow coffee or wine to keep the temple ( =body) clean, but the typical American food, even when home made from scratch, is so incredibly unhealthy, that the whole coffee prohibition makes absolutely no sense at all. No offene intended, honestly. Literally every American in Europe mentions the difference in the quality of food here. Coffee is not at all the problem.
My grandparents were Irish Roman Catholic and had 13 kids. There were a couple miscarriages too so about 15 pregnancies. She was pregnant for a solid decade! She finally went to her priest and told him she didn’t think she’d survive another pregnancy and her health was suffering because of it. She begged to be able to use contraception or stop getting pregnant somehow. Her priest, not knowing anything was wrong before, said - holy sh!t woman! If it’s causing that many problems then absolutely you should stop. Don’t even worry about it. Your life is the most important thing. 😂 I’m sure those weren’t his exact words but my grandma just trudged through endless pregnancies and raised 13 kids with very little money because “every child is a blessing” and she thought it was a sin to prevent a pregnancy. She said if she had known her priest would say that, we might only have half our family today. 😅
The more I watch this channel, the more I realize the cult-ish aspects of the Catholic Church. I grew up in a pretty strict sect of the Catholic Church, also Irish Catholic, and my grandmother went through the same situation. She was only allowed a hysterectomy because she almost died of ovarian cancer.
@@ashleebartels while Catholicism has a lot of problematic organizations and issues with abuse of power, I don’t think mainstream Roman Catholicism (not including Tridentine lunatics like the football kicker) meets the criteria of a cult, although not for lack of trying. While Rome hands down various encyclicals and the US Conference of Catholic bishops picks their own priorities, Catholics themselves occupy a wide swath of ideological ground. Catholics have been doing all kinds of stuff that isn’t “allowed” for a long, long time. Only the Pope can excommunicate someone, and it’s extremely rare. Catholic orders that run high schools and colleges are not subject to the direct control of the local bishop; a denomination that includes Georgetown, Fordham, Notre Dame and a school like Benedictine College is too unwieldy for the uniformity of thought that sustains a cult.
Every Catholic with a brain knows that responsible human adults don’t mindlessly procreate . Your Grandma’s attitude sounds evil and dumb. So, she doesn’t love half her kids??? And YOU find that funny???
@@ashleebartels So, you grew up in a family that was only pretending to be Catholic. That DOES seem culty. “ She was only allowed a hysterectomy...” what??? Was she honking for a hysterectomy BEFORE she got cancer? (Lots of bimbos apparently used to line up for unnecessary hysterectomies in the good ole days.). Did she want a hysterectomy as a brutal form of birth control?
Interesting note- I was a good little mormon girl who followed all the chastity rules, and one interview, I was answering all the questions, thinking I was doing so well, and the bishop was disbelieving of my answers! Every answer he was like "really?! You never ...?" And I was like "I thought those were the rules!" And I felt like he almost was disappointed that he got no 'juicy details' of my 'sins'. No idea if that's what he was really thinking, but that's what it felt like.
@@raigenhuss7030 Did this Bishop say 'spank bank' or 'spank monkey'. How can LDS Mormon believe in racial hierarchy if bishop calls his johnson monkey if his last name is Johnson?
@@brendatomlinson hi there! rm means returned missionary (in the mainstream lds church, all boys are expected to serve a two year mission, girls can volunteer to do so) and exmo means ex-mormon ✨ it implies that I was once a strong believer, but I’ve found truth and a higher spiritual path now ❤️
About tarot: the modern 52-card playing deck descended from tarot, which typically has 78 cards. The 78 is 56 minor arcana (the 52 plus 4 "knights") separated into four elemental suits and everyday issues, and 22-card major arcana cards. The major arcana deals with ideas of pagan deities and natural forces, and the progression of the soul--dangerous ideas in societies with orthodox religious views--and were suppressed. In fact, the only major arcana card that survived to the modern deck is the Fool, who appears as the Joker.
The garment compass symbol is supposed to remind you to be on an undeviating course toward God. The square symbol or right angle symbol was supposed to remind you to follow with exactness or something like that. That might not be perfect, but it was something like that. I never really understood what the naval thing was about except that there’s a lot of talk about having health in the naval. There was also a mark on the knee, which was supposed to remind you that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is God or whatever.
Growing up in the Mormon church is the most embarrassing thing. I seriously want a redo at the beginning of my life lol, but I’m thankful to be free from it. I’m now Christian trying to find my way to a new church congregation but it’s so hard because I can’t get past the bitterness I have for tithing and when churches ask for offering it makes me doubt their church. I have a lot to heal from because of the church, and just continuously rewiring my brain. It’s amazing to see others speak out against the church because it truly is so creepy and disturbing the way they brainwash you into some eternal loyalty that isn’t even centered around God, Christ, or the Bible. It’s all about the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith, and the temples. It’s very misleading. Every bit of Mormon anything makes me cringe I’m happy you two found your freedom as well ❤️❤️❤️❤️
The BITE model is what made me realize that I was in a cult. My story is not as extreme as some of the ones on your channel but I was definitely in a cult.
@@TeacherKellyTag International Churches of Christ. Got it. So this appears to be an offshoot of the Church of Christ, which my brother and SIL belong to.
What a great collab! I just love you 2 together!! Well done indeed! ❤ Dang girl, Gothard shares my birthday! I decided to Google him today for some reason after watching you ladies and I can never unsee that lol 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ lol If you’re Catholic it’s called “All Souls’ Day” just for some funsies information lol
I'm really enjoying you two together! Out here in the Protestant world the preachers kids were always the ornriest and the ones getting in the most trouble! They were usually the funniest kids in class too!
I attended a small Baptist church and a leader or pastor was a typical domineering narcissist. When I asked a question about the Trinity this person would give me vague answers and it appeared that he didn't like mature single men challenging his authority. He would shift blame onto me as though I was beneath him and less informed about the scriptures. He was a cockalorum ( a self-important little man) jerk. I only went to a few services because a sibling of mine had gone to that church before she died. Also, I met some people who went to this church who left the Mormon church and some were ex-JWs too.
I have a mormon cousin who moved from Sweden to Boston back in 1999 with his wife and daughter (permanent residents since ~2015). Being a mormon in Sweden is a lot different from being a mormon in the US. They go on vacation to Sweden every year and stay for 2 months. Whenever he's over here he drinks alcohol and coffee, parties, uses tobacco products, and acts just like everyone else. In the US it's completely different. There's temple every week and no vice whatsoever. This summer he actually said something that surprised me: "I spend 10 months out of the year living a "normal" average Joe life in the US, and then I come home to Sweden. Here I can do whatever the hell I like." He also asked his brother, a retired real-estate agent, to look for land close to where the rest of this side of the family lives so he can build a summer home. In the past few years he's gotten a good taste of life outside of religion and it looks like he's preparing to spend a lot more time over here in the future.
I had a NDE when I was 21 and the flowers definitely sing in Heaven. Plus their colors are so much greater, wider, brighter spectrum than is here on Earth. When you look down upon a flower you can see within and without all at the same time, like a 3-D computer model, the flower, petals, stem, eggs, roots, ect. As each flower is singing so is each flower, blade of grass, rock, water, is singing as well. Then all is combined into a beautiful beyond words symphony. You two are a delight.
Shoot, I just missed this live. Just at the beginning, looking forward to it. Sharing my thoughts... I think cults are started and lead by narcissists. So it does parallel the narcissistic family unit and relationships too. And narcissism actually comes from trauma. But a victim needs to get away and stop the abuse first, after healing have compassion for the abuser. It's a process.
Ehhhhh i get what you are trying to say but narcissism isn’t an inherently bad thing. If you really want a job and tell the hiring manager what is great about you, that’s narcissism. The abuse is the bad part. And just because there is abuse, doesn’t mean it’s automatically narcissism. Narcissism isn’t necessarily a trauma response either. The issue is the abuse, not a buzz word that everyone is using.
@@beadyeyedwomanify I can understand why it’s not, besides the lack of political will. Unless there’s an underlying crime, what is the crime? Adults are allowed to have relationships with adults, even unconventional ones. Polygamy vs my neighbors thruple? It does seem like the kingstons do have a lot of underlying crimes happening and where prosecution needs to happen. Child labor, and really all labor laws are being flaunted in obvious and breathtaking exploitive ways. I don’t know if the church tax status but that would also be a good place to start.
Isn't there something in the Bible about slander/gossip? Could be wrong but I could have sworn there was something about talking bad about people or behind their backs.
In the Church of Christ, we also weren't allowed to gamble, and my elder grandfather on my dad's side also would beat our ass if we got caught playing goldfish or war with face cards. The reasoning was that cards are used in gambling and therefore a sin. At ACU we couldn't even have "casino night" fundraisers with fake gambling for charity. It was so dumb.
I fell in love with my mom's first cousin's son, that made us second cousins, but he was in the army and he broke off the engagement before 2 weeks before we got married.😅
Two beautiful woman speaking about the ugliest things. You two and so many other survivors are so brave and endearing . Thanks for providing a safe place !
I watched the Twin Flames documentary and it’s very sick. I’m somewhat surprised that people joined it as full-grown adults, not brainwashed from childhood.
There are 31-45 years old wards in Utah. They are known as the mid-single adults wards.There are quite a few of these wards around. After you turn 45, you are "banished" to the family ward forever! 🤣😂🤣😂 I am glad I am out of this church and any church for that matter!
On the topic of people speaking value you into you…you are literally starved from it Amanda. There are studies showing that people who are confident and healthy and know themselves younger? Had parents who spoke value into them young. It’s why therapists tell us to look into the mirror and speak thing like …you are brave, you are kind, you are amazing… is so important. Even when it feels false because you were starved from it. Keep up the good work.
I wonder if some of this omitting of information is done under the guise of "children's stories." Like, 'of course we cant tell the full, true story to children because it would be too graphic/violent for them' but then they never say the whole truth of the story as you get older.
Shelise Ann Sola please I'm begging you, look into the tar and feathering story. It doesn't have to do with persecution or polygamy. It had to do with Joseph trying to take land. There are two accounts. Symonds Ryder, letter to a. s. hayden. 1 feb. 1868 also Samuel F. Whitne. I just want accurate history.
I just want to add that the young singles wards are only in place with a lot of Mormons there. Where I grew up it wasn’t a thing because if it was there would literally be 10 people in the ward. But we would all get together once a week to have family home evening
Is it, like, unusual for couples to stay together through a transition down there? In my experience that's normal. My partner and I are still together and got married after my partner's transition, same with my old roommate and her wife, and our one couple friends who did break up, it had absolutely nothing to do with their transitions.
Roman catholic church or at least the one I grew up in pass around a bag so if you didn't have money to add to collection you could just pretend you were adding to it.
It’s called elevation emotion! Disney uses it “in the nines!!!” The Mormon Tabernacle Choir, the thrilling hymns all of that is meant to prove that something is true. The Bible says that “feelings”can be deceiving and we’re not to go by our feelings.
"Addictive personality" is not proven by science including genetics. It's just a way to isolate those dealing with addiction. It saddens me when well meaning people use this. If they understood that they're doing that, they'd stop using that misnomer.
@@CultstoConsciousness They're still diving into it. There are some genes that may make a person more prone to certain addictions but there's no one gene, no one specific personality that's an "addictive personality". Usually people put it on themselves to explain things. I think we're still learning so much. (Why can't we have all the answers in 2024?! 😂)
It’s interesting that they (the order) say that Amanda is bad mouthing the order when she is speaking her experience. By them saying she is “bad mouthing” in my mind is them acknowledging that what she’s saying is horrific, but continuing to do it anyway if that makes sense?
I wonder what the marrying of siblings does to the boundaries between siblings. My brother has a natural aversion to thinking of his sisters in a sexual way. If little boys see adults marrying siblings they would begin to think of their sisters in a sexual way. Not a healthy thing.
I was raised Mormon, with that said we weren't DEVOUT ie family home evening, mutual, etc. IMO I think it's more how much you, yourself go into being DEVOUT. We didn't have to wear garments, again that's for overly DEVOUT. I mean c'mon it's ALL BS!!!!
46:33 I am so glad I saved this video. You're not even living or whatever Amanda said. The church gave me so much anxiety. And I officially declared it was not true a couple of months ago. It still so hard to not follow the horrible train wreck of thoughts that are so deeply indoctrinated. I just want to preach to the world that Jesus was not religious, he was spiritual. Stick with the Bible and follow Jesus. Accept him for his greatest sacrifice.
I tried searching a database of church talks for why cards were discouraged. The only thing that emerged was that card playing was a distraction and waste of time. Better to spend your time in serving God and in godly activities than waste your precious time on earth doing frivolous activities. That was all I found. Nothing more really. It was a concept of the 19th century.
In Denmark we have a 29 year old conservative politician who has a 15 year old girlfriend and it isn't even illegal. He was thrown out of the conservative party though..
Interesting website the order has. Thanx for the tip. Like a workshop on 'how to legally cover your ass and still indoctrinate. Thanx again for your interview. Very inspiring x
As a polyamorous person I would be down with that but not as a forced thing obviously. The abuse of that is so horrible. Jealousy is also a natural emotion and poly people can feel it too and it's a fine emotion. You just work out why you feel that way.