An Objective (but pointless) Look at Genshin vs Star Rail 

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In resin section hsr should have won by a mile with 2400 max storage

Really? I find both easy tbh unless it’s the bad ping

theyre both too big for me to even play on phone

@@3m35 Well if you are talking about ping then for hsr you don't have to worry for it being a turn based game

Yeah, probably easier but somehow starrail always lagged and heated it more even if I used the same low resolution

genshin will fry your phone vs hsr :) my old phone got so hot I couldnt hold it.

I played both, and bounced off Star Rail while I still love Genshin, it's a personal preference for open world games and I'm aware of that, but the comparison always seems a bit silly to me. Star Rail is a whole different beast, and they're really not comparable.

​@@fardareismai4495 People only compare them because they're made by the same company and they have nothing better to do. Yes there are various similarities but at the end of the day they are different games with different stories for different audiences.

Multi-billion dollar company, again MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY

​@@fardareismai4495they're both owned by a multi-billion dollar company, there's no excuse for such poor rewards and poor QoL

@@plvto1 I don't get this argument. "They are different games so they shouldn't be compared". So? Only identical things should be compared? What would be the point of that? They have enough similarities to warrant a comparison and the results should push each other to be better.

but not everyone wants to or can pull acheron

@@meeeeeeeeeeeeeewi Ratheil brought up Wanderer, Kazuha, and even Xianyun, so I think Acheron is pretty fair to bring up.

for the overworld, yeah she's a godsend. For farming SU, not so much. Before her you could have always just ignored everything but the last encounter in the room to speed up the SU grind. Though in Swarm Disaster and G&G she's really good again

​@@negspiritoshe's good in everything, you can farm sp regen food without even taking a single step, this is not like in Genshin

​@@meeeeeeeeeeeeeewithe difference is Genshin: 10 minutes of running, 5 minutes of climbing, 1-2 minutes to do puzzle HSR: you don't even need to spend a single minute to farm the pointless stuff, you can afk farm

or the mario vs sonic. or the goku vs superman. or the flash vs sonic. etc. XD

​@@ericcardinal9138only the first one seems accurate to me, as the latter two have legitimate reasons to be compared with each other

@@iamanidotbutalsoiamxavier5071 if that's what you think, then you're missing the point. the thing is, it's not about what's being compared, it's about the fact that most fans doing these comparison do it because they can't stand watever being a fan of having it's popularity being treatened by something else's popularity. those comparing goku and superman do it because they can't stand someone could consider their favorite is weaker then someone else. the same way, the dc fans and sonic fans can't stand the other fans thinking their pick ain't the fastest. as for mario and sonic, it's not only a matter of "who beat who" as it was a matter fueled by the console wars. as for genshin vs star rail it's pretty obvious. some fans started to bad mouth the other game, the fans the other other game did the some and thus was born the rivality between the 2 fandom. quite immature, with a touch of stupidity. i don't care what's being said either way. even if i would i'm a fan of both. what i care about is truth and objectivity. for exemple, i never whined at the fact that star rail got dr ratio. the fans were furious because genshin supposedly never got a 5 star. truth is genshin players got a free 5 strars long before star rail players got dr ratio. aloy IS a 5 star, after all. sure, she's 1 of the worst 5 star of the game if not THE worst, but she still is a 5 star. thing is, players give far too much importance to weither a char is 4 or 5 stars. xiangling is a free 4 star and she's one of the best characters in the game. xinqiu is also one of the best despite being a 4 star. meanwhile both dehya and aloy are renowned as shitty characters. i don't care if a char is for or 5 stars. as long as it's free, i'll be happy to get it. why would i care to receive a free dehya more then a free yun jin? because dehya's a 5 star?

It's also hilarious Kuro's flagship game, Wuwa is knocking on the doors of Hoyo but we got the two communities still battling each other for supremacy LMFAOOO

or Valorant vs CSGO or Apex vs PUBG

someone had to say it

That's a lie, I don't see anybody doing fanarts from other star rail characters aside from March 7th, Kafka, Sparkle and Silver Wolf. On the Genshin side even NPC's have nice fanarts lmao

Something about the Imaginary mens...

@@betomsd1 you forgot Firefly

@@betomsd1how can an opinion be a lie lmao

That part was so wierd to me. I live in eastern europe but all the prices are still in USD here and they are identical between the two.

In my country, HSR is much cheaper than Genshin.😅

@@BlackWidow-viii Meanwhile where I am, HSR is quite a bit more expensive than Genshin lol.

You do know that it´s the same in Star Rail, right?

No it’s not. You don’t get any relics in star rail whilst farming world bosses. Maybe your thinking of weekly bosses?

​@@ladyliz0862In GI the normal bosses to level up characters give basic artifacts, and if it helps a lot apart from giving other things in HSR it doesn't, apart from the great variety.

I hate that they did not make a seperate domain for those two sets, i mean at this point not that many uses them anymore but still kinda suck

This is an apples and oranges debate. The non weekly character level up item bosses do not give relics this is true. However the acquisition of level up materials is faster. A five star requires 65 level up items to reach level 80 in HSR. On max level that's 1 and 5/8 day's worth of stamina. In Genshin the level up materials also require gems. If you start from 0 gems and 0 level up items in Genshin, you will not take

Same

you can nthink of Star Rail having 4 premium stats (SPD,ER,CR,CD) instead of 2 from Genshin (just CR/CD) no wonder its harder to build chars in Star Rail

He actually did mention the power reserve when discussing condensed resin. He said if you play more frequently the condensed system is better, but if you play more infrequently the reserve system is better. For me I find the reserve system more useful because I tend to take longer breaks (and I find HSR so boring to farm so rarely use up my resin), but if you're using all your resin every day in Genshin you won't be getting reserve anyway, and the ability to condense your resin instead is nice.

​@@therranolleo468but you also have to consider how most characters are ok with any of the 4 premium stats, making it easier to get a good set instead of Genshin where if you don't get CR/CD it's a useless piece

@@jasmineelhilali9152 nahh, Genshin BP weapons giving free CR is already miles better than Star Rail's LC where all the CVs are locked behind BiS 5* LCs (and a few 4* situational LCs, like Dan Heng Hunt LC), you can just buy 1 BP weapon in genshin and your DPS is already mildly OK as the BP weap basically substitute 1 crit hat via substat, in Star rail u can't do that, CV is either trace or gacha your relics

Wait, what does RM do to cheese the simulated universe?

dont forget sparkle!! her technique makes you undetectable by enemies

@@_butter.cup_ sampo

I agree! I play Genshin every day and sometimes Honkai Starrail because of the story :)

That's fair but HSR isn't an exploration game, she's enjoying the exploration now but endgame players will enjoy the less grind in HSR

Yeah, there was a time in Genshin where everything was getting locked behind Inazuma, but as soon as they moved past Inazuma they wisely decided not to lock off other regions by adventure level. Now, before you even finish the prologue of the game, you can go out and explore (and raise) Fontaine characters. Soon you'll be able to explore Natlan, most likely. Unfortunately, HSR doesn't have much to offer. Either you do the story or you do endgame, and if you don't do either of them you get basically nothing.

@@haruyanto8085 different stroke for different folks, right? that's why the comparison between both apart from the obvious same 1:1 systems like RNG, dailies, etc are pointless. for example the dude's comment, comparing an exploration experience on exploration game vs on a turnbase game is kinda silly, no?

⁠@@haruyanto8085and that's the entire reason why it's pointless to compare them cos they offer entirely different things. For example. Even now with Penacony's world, the exploration is still superfluous. It's there for fluff and not something that could tickle your exploration itch. So I don't see it as HSR's forte but that's fine cos that's not the game HSR is supposed to excel at. They're supposed to be different.

To new players in genshin the events are also locked behind later regions… however star rail gives you a fast travel to the farming calyx to level traces, Genshin doesn’t

yeah they tried to move large amount GI player to play HSR too/ to engage new player if u see how generous it is and insanely marketting Hoyo ever did in pre & post Penacony. "genshin could never" from official star rail account is edited lol *take it with grain of salt Cai Haoyu Left Genshin 2 years Ago, because of that Genshin was running without producer in 2 years. Hope the new producer make genshin better.

yes I would like an artifact creation system and I think the developers know it but how to justify it in the lore is another thing, if everything is justified in the lore within GI. this brings me to the events, the reason it is not permanent is that they are supposed to have already passed estes and the same as the previous has to justify how to put it or how to return to that time. and no HSR does not have good events mostly they are boring.

What are you talking about? FGO CONSTANTLY implements QoL. HSR players would DREAM of the FGO QoLs that have been added over the years. 1 - Reducing the cost of summons from 4SQ to 3SQ, dropping a ten roll from 40 to 30 2 - Adding a free roll every ten rolls, so that when you pull 10 times you get 1 free roll, making rolls a little cheaper 3 - Adding more free quartz for logging in each day and for daily quests 4 - Reworking the combat system to massively help quick based units (this is akin to reworking geo) 5 - Dozens of character strengthenings every single year that ensure no character gets left behind in the meta (imagine if Luocha got an AoE cleanse or ATK buff added to his E0 kit to offset the fact that newer sustains have those standard) - each one of these give you free quartz and sometimes special story segments with the characters 6 - A super-leveling system which allows you to boost the stats of lower rarity characters to be the same as SSR rarity characters, or boost them beyond that up from an old max lvl cap of 90 to 120 7 - An entirely new skill system that gives you benefits for pulling extra copies beyond NP5, allowing you to take weaker characters and make them stronger so that you can truly play whoever you want without any concern for meta 8 - Reworking content to give you special buffs if you decide to solo content (a popular method of play) 9 - Adding special power up cards you can attach to your units to make them more specialized, cover their weaknesses, or adapt them to whatever special challenge content (and then multiple QoL updates to that) 10 - Adding a whole skill tree system specialized to the characters to help make them even stronger so you can continue to vertically invest in characters 11 - Sprite and animation updates so that as graphics and tech improve the characters continue to look as good as new ones and get more and more impressive animations and ults 12 - Improved farming and grinding options and choices, including higher level XP and QP(credit/mora) items 13 - Implementing half off their GSSR so not only can you guarantee a SSR in one pull, but you can get it for half price. Also improving the banners to let you choose better who you will get for half price 14 - The make-your-own GSSR where you can choose what goes into the pool HSR *wishes* it got the level of QoL updates and improvements FGO gets. And FGO's gacha is objectively better than both Genshin and HSR's. Unlike Hoyoverse, FGO has actually *improved* its gacha rates over the years. It sits at 1% for a SSR instead of 0.6%, with the chance of pulling the rate up being 0.8% instead of 0.3%, and while you are pulling for that SSR you can get FGO's equivalent of SSR weapons at a 3% rate which doesn't interfere with your pity or chances of getting the SSR unit, unlike Hoyoverse games. It's also mountains more generous than both games put together, and cheaper than both especially when you use up your top-up bonuses, and it gives away free four stars at NP5 at least 3 times a year, reruns its events every year with new rewards again so that people have a reason to replay them, and gives away at least 100 free pulls every anniversary. It also consistently increases the size of its storage for items, has effectively endless stamina due to its incredible generosity and ease to get more, with no refresh cap if you decide to whale it out, and it has 2 lotto/raffle events a year that offer _literally_ endless resources, so long as you're willing to farm (those resources include stamina, so even if you don't whale or save up your stamina you can get quite a lot of resources with it). It also constantly adds new units to the standard pool so that if you get the off-banner unit you're not guaranteed to get C538 Diluc Also, unlike Genshin or HSR, FGO has actually made it through two of its story arcs, and its events are full of their own stories, instead of being a random NPC testing some random system that will never matter after the event until the next copycat event arrives. The one thing, as a gacha game, that HSR and Genshin have over FGO is their pity system. And that pity system is one of the worst pity systems in gacha games, made worse by the fact that the rates of HSR and Genshin are specifically designed to force players to go to at least soft pity to actually get anything, and the packages are specifically designed so that if you try to buy your way to pity you'll end up overpaying. FGO has plenty of flaws, and as a GAME HSR and Genshin utterly destroy it (except for their story), and I'm not saying anyone should play it - there's way better gacha games that aren't nearly as stingy - but don't be spreading objective falsehoods like 'FGO doesn't give as good QoL as HSR' or 'HSR has a better gacha than FGO'. Hoyoverse games are the bottom of the gacha pool, not FGO.

@@Thedarkbunnyrabbit Holy based. It's refreshing seeing someone that actually plays the game, and knows whats up compared to the average Hoyo gamer that only repeats what other people that also don't play the game say.

@@Kyle81290 Honestly, if hoyo gameers played more gachas they'd be so much better able to criticize their games and push for improvement, instead of thinking a single ten pull per patch is ultra mega generous.

@@Thedarkbunnyrabbit So true. Every time I see them going crazy for that 10 pull, I just laugh a little.

its an event for the anniversary, genshin hasnt done any anniversary events unless you wanna count lantern rite in which outside of rewards genshin has it better.

No the cosmodyssey is first and foremost an event, no matter the rewards, you have to take full runs of monopoly to get them. If we go by your logic, each event in genshin will be more interesting than star rail in a gameplay perspective, and the people complaints about the free stuff will be irrelevant and unsubstantial, but each playerbase want free stuff, so the cosmodyssey doesnt count

@@djampoucheukap1742 It counts because it's an event outside of event schedule. It's a part of anniversary and therefore should be counted as anni rewards. It's even marked in event tab as anni addition. And for your reason I think it's kinda silly to talk about the "effort" to get the rewards since this event is pretty easy and you get most of rewards without doing anything yourself even since they're locked behind server global goal.

Yeah that's one thing that made me sad about Genshin. They don't have any anniversary-specific event. They had ONE in like the first year where we can collect chests in Liyue, and there was a special emblem (like oculi) too, but in the end did nothing with that emblem?? We couldn't even turn it in to the lady for other resources like in typical event shops. And then they never did anything like that ever again Anniversary patch doesn't feel like an anniversary because of the lack of a "special occurrence" that you can only do at that time. It's the usual flagship event that has no relation to the anniversary.

​@@CrystalRubyMoonI'm pretty sure that wasn't the anniversary, that was part of the first lantern rite.

for people coming back after not playing this is so massive true

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Rathiel is capping for the most part in the vid, HSR system is far better, the game counts the overflows stamina

@@BuiltSimilarG yeah

He already said this. It isn't useful if you're logging in every day because your stamina will not hold, due to you SPENDING it.

A tip for beating Aventurine is to use double sustain. There is no time limit to the boss so you can just take your time and chip away at him. Just load up on defense and hp and poke him to death. No need for any decent artifacts. You could probably beat him right now by just leveling some trash relics with hp and defense and using 2 defensive characters.

Lol, what a stupid comparasion, you enjoy swim around without being in a different menu, because its an OPEN WORLD GAME bro! Its a feature supposed to have in open world game, you didn't like HSR because its turn based combat, say no more and stop playing it if you didnt like turn based game 😂😂

@@reza6428 i did stop playing.

Calling the pressing of one button babysitting the game is a bit much, don't you think?

​@@triplecatnip7413 having to keep coming back to the game to press that button over and over again is babysitting it, yes. It's not full auto and it's not playing the game.

I disagree

​@@negspiritocool More potential qol in future i see

@@infectedtheretardshunter1987 automatically restarting the encounters wouldn't be a QoL improvement Best they could do is implement Hi3's Quick Lite which let's you skip easy farming encounters entirely

Seems like they're not on the endgame yet. Or probably just using old info.😂😂😂

But then you alwaqys have a bunch of people complaining that they don´t understand how to do events in genshin, so it´s kind of objective

Lucky for you they implemented this stuff recently for the last 2 years Genshin veterans had to deal with virtually no x2 multipliers

@@haruyanto8085 I’ve been playing since 1.3 and it’s always been the same. What are you on about? xD

​@@haruyanto8085It was always there

tbf self modeling resin is only helpful if you're really really desperate for a specific mainstat because you haven't gotten one in 3 months. Like self modeling resin doesn't stop you from getting the speed boots you may need but then have flat HP, HP%, flat def and def% for your dps. Might as well run another fitting boots with better substats honestly. Getting flashbacks to my Blade whom' I couldn't get speed boots for, synthesising it only to then get great HP boots instead. And considering how limited self modeling resin is, I'd hardly say it's that much better than just strongboxing tbh. Especially with the added bonus of Genshin allowing you an off piece. Hell you could be super unlucky and use a 2pc2pc and still have room for an off piece.

@@Rougelesss you ever experience the pain of farming 4set VV triple EM for ONE YEAR because of RNG? yeah no.. sometimes substat doesnt matter as long as you get the main stat

@@MrFugogugo See that's what I mean, it's only useful if you're really desperate for a specific mainstat. Added to that that you don't need triple EM on VV, double EM on set is enough because you're allowed an off piece. And again, that wouldn't help you if you desperately needed a decent sands for whatever character you're building. Not saying self modeling resin isn't useful at all, it's just a lot less useful as people made it out to be and insanely situational.

​@@Rougelesssstrong box also gift you a random main and sub stat, whats the difference? Just because its offer lower with 3 for 1 artifacts doesnt mean its better

@@reza6428 Yes, that's what I'm saying, you still get random sub and mainstats. And Self Modeling Resin will only help you if you're looking for a specific Mainstat on a specific set that you haven't gotten in like 7 months. That's all I'm saying. Self Modeling Resin isn't as useful as people try to make it seem. Imagine paying 1200 whatever Endgame currency, or buy the damn battle pass for it and 10 relics to get one Self Modeling Resin and yeah cool, you can now get the Speed Boots you always wanted, sure. But it also has HP, HP%, Def and Def% substats and will be replaced the moment you get other Speed Boots. That's just not better than the strongbox system in genshin. Only thing synthesising has going is the fact that you can choose what piece you want and specifically roll a bunch of body pieces. But that's about it. And that's balanced out by the fact that you need to fodder 10 pieces instead of 3 AND don't have an off piece you can use in a build.

if you count by base, Star Rail is based on 10s its the least amount u can spend at once and honestly I love it that way, I hate Genshin's 20 base maths cause logging in without max resin means you're always stuck wasting 120-140 resin and waiting for the rest or spend 150 if you wanna do discounted weekly bosses, the only other thing u can spend 10s on are weapon upgrade materials, which you'll overflow eventually if you play long enough

@@therranolleo468 I, someone who raised all the characters to lvl 80 with talents or traits at lvl 8 and with artifact set included can say that GI is much more friendly and you can better manage your resources while HSR is much more tedious and asks for much more time, especially that 2 of the artifacts ask you to make a weekly content that will not always give you what you want. as for who gives more in GI you can get a day between 180 to 200 resin and HSR more a little more but still goes faster, in the latter GI gives more playing time than HSR not for the time of farmeo but does not depend on the energy to continue getting resources to upload some character and HSR or you have energy you do not qedas with nothing to do because the world will give you little or nothing to upload character as all materials require energy. and if the 2 system asks as a base 20 for an artifact only that in HSR is more difficult the armed added to the RNG norm that is even worse than that of GI, and not the system of creating an artifact is a shit since if you give the main statistic but not the secondary, and ask 10 artifacts to make 1, the GI is not far behind but at least only ask for 3.

@@Rozherhn i agree with you

What are you all here yapping about, are you 12? Or can’t count?

If you want to talk consistency, the amount of resin spent each time shouldn't be the thing you're looking for, what you should look for is how much you're getting for the amount you spent each time. Genshin grants you one guaranteed 5 star artifact with a chance of one extra for every 20 resin you spent. HSR gives you two guaranteed 5 star relic with a chance of one extra for every 40 stamina you spent. They're roughly the same with the exception of Genshin giving you a chance of 4 with one Condensed Resin (which - let's be real here - rarely ever happens).

He means it is subjective which you like more.

@@Dafydd4 oh ok I see.

Yeah but time locking talents for every three days just negate that point

​@@not_pandasiteEh not really condense your resin on the days you don't need them and boom it's only a negative if your trying to max out characters day one.

@@demonking-zm3rs frankly, if you're trying to do that in either game it's gonna involve a lot of the relevant stamina replenishing consumables

regarding the imaginary bit, that's gonna be helped via another free option players will gain access to in 2.2

​@@nilmergnot really because it's locked behind penacony story

Honestly as long as you are playing and actually levelling characters and relics, you can do pretty much the entire story, or at least early game, with base characters or four stars fairly easily.

I will also note that the simulated universe depending on who you ask is just as important and fun as walking around genshin's open world. I call it a draw

15:56 topaz can make all trotters not run away from you. dan heng IL and yukong have techniques that give them faster running speeds, seele and sparkle can turn invisible for enemies, jingliu can freeze everything in the overworld while walking, and acheron can insta kill enemies before battle. there are equiivelants and they do exist

the Hunt LC is really nice on Topaz

@@negspirito swordplay is way better though

I feel this so so much.

Not only that, but HSR is not better where it counts. In fact, it's not even close. Music, story, characters, artsyle, production, animations, combat, team building options, Ui presentation all go to Genshin. I play both to this day and while I like HSR, I love Genshin for everything it does. I mostly play HSR for its combat/endgame... 🤷

@@HonestToCritic As much as you're right that HSR is not better where it counts, what you mention is literally all subjective (which is why Ratheil didn't mention it in the video). That is incredibly asinine and up to preference. The only thing you're right on is team building options because Star Rail is far more unforgiving as a turn-based strategy game. Edit: Oh, and you're objectively incorrect about Story too, if you actually want to talk about writing quality. Genshin's writing in its first year is absolutely horrendous, while HSR was able to bank off all the experience Hoyo gained from Genshin. People _only_ started praising Genshin's story come Sumeru, while people were already cheering in Belobog and absolutely blown away by Penacony. This isn't to mention how more meaningful Star Rail's Companion Quests are compared to the NPC fest that a good number of Genshin's Story Quests are.

@@Eurasian_ wasn't there a world we visited between those two? Or was it so bad you blocked it out from your memory?

@@negspirito Yes Xianzhou is fucking mid, Inazuma-tier dumpster fire of a main quest. (but /gen I'd put it closer to Liyue-tier. It's not bad, it's by definition "mid".)