Genshin Impact: A Failure in Storytelling 

The first question what were they doing....may be during that time paimon taught paimon about the language and all... Its in traveller dialogue that she did....

Lol

Will you talk about Destiny 1 and 2's stories just for reference

You idiot genshin is so good 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

I’m just waiting to see how they handle the conclusion to the archon quest. Sumeru is the middle point of the game. It’ll effect how many players view genshin’s narrative as a whole.

WAIT WHAT?! I THOUGHT HE DIED FOR REAL?! Wow just wow. Thank you for this astonishing news.

@@KogawaYuri-ENVtuber I legit cannot tell if you get the joke lmao

@@paulvine8127 Eh? There was a joke involved? Had no idea 🤣

@@KogawaYuri-ENVtuber Because the NPC face and body models and animations are reused to death in this game, it's like all the NPCs are Teppei with different clothes or hair

@@paulvine8127 Oh OH OH OH OH OH OH MAN I FEEL STUPID 😭😂😭😂

Hoyo really wants us to pay to SEE our characters of interest outside of character gallery and quests

Here's the stupid thing about this, in Star Rail they literally fixed that problem, except for some obvious characters everyone else can be found in the worlds. But the Genshin dev team doesn't want to learn from the HSR one.

@@thegamerfe8751 Genshin dev team is like Yandere dev who knows how to code, afford assets and how not to appear TOO creepy

At least in The Cat's Tail characters will actually be there and you can play with them, it feels so nice since it's just the two of you hanging out without Paimon or treasure hoarder npc 263

This is why I was so glad Honkai Star Rail had that

Preach!

Noooo!!! Jeeehtt!!!😭😭😭

Those are actually my favorite because the characters don't make those annoying sounds the anime characters started doing for some reason

​@@justsomeone883Jeht's quests go by SO much faster because i dont have to hear the dialogue. I can go as fast as my reading speed takes me

Excuse you why do you have to invalidate Jeht’s story arc like that?

SAME OMFG I HATE IT SM IT'S A FUCKING GAME FROM A FUCKING BILLIONAIRE COMPANY, AND THEY STILL DON'T MAKE MINIMUM EFFORT?

@@dehyadiar It's not like they can't. For me it's just being efficient. Rigging and animating a character to do even simple pose take a considerable amount of effort. Even if Hoyoverse got enough manpower to finish animating for every quests that you play for like couple of hours then forget about them in the next 5 minutes, the game memory would become at least twice as much as what we're having now.

​@@TriThanhNguyen-us7qi They don't mean they need a new animation for everything they speak. They just want some more animations to express a emotion. For example: when a character is sad, instead of doing the hand on head pose, actually make them look disappointed. Even 1 or 5 animations would make up for it.

​@@Vocal0idSupermacy_gumimikuAgreed. Surely Hoyoverse can at least do that so Im not cringing or on the verge of laughter during an emotional scene

@@dehyadiarTo be honest, now that I think about it, during the Sumeru archon quests, most of the characters use the same animations, like Alhaitham and Dehya and some other mercs.

Same, Paimon's voice is just annoying atp, like please someone shove her back into the ocean

exactly like, we have eyes and ears we can listen to the characters talk and see how the story progresses. we're not fcking 5 year olds. we don't need a flying child to summarize every little detail to us

@@flyingcow5235 that's the problem, Hoyo thought that there are most probably less than 5 year olds playing this game.

-"RWBY- Genshin Impact is a good -show- game to write a Wiki about..." ~ Some RU-vidr, probably.

Honestly? I think Genshin Impact shouldn't be a game, I think it should be a web series

exactly this. i feel the same way. the company's other two honkai games are doing amazingly on this aspect, which makes me wonder why it even is a problem for genshin

At least it actually feels that way with some Characters in Fontaine as of recently

oh that's the biggest problem? I thought that was always the intentions from the start because world building focus style. these characters just a guide for us players to understand the world and why the travelers got caught up in teyvat fucked up world.

@@kuroro9589no the biggest problem is genshin impact story is still fucking incomplete . They are just extending it for views . When will they complete it? When gta 7 comes out?

@@secretunknown2782 are there any live service games other than Genshin that have complete story? I'm used to episodic stories from MMORPG like Ragnarok Online and they still continuing till now. Genshin is not MMO but it is live service game, so that's why I always thought this is live service nature. Never crossed on my mind that that is a game problem.

Hard agree. I recently went through one of the exploration quests in Sumeru where some of the human 'enemies' were main characters and getting to see their designs and animations up close were pretty cool, i couldnt stop staring at them. too bad the quest ended with a cutscene of two characters just standing in the void thinking at each other- it was clearly supposed to be an emotional moment, but thanks to the lack of animation (and the fade to black w/text), it fell really flat.

some of them even looked more interesting than the playable characters

I thought the same too until you do a little bit of modding and port the character over. Once you can actually play as the Eremite enemies you realize they'd actually need to be adjusted and improved to meet the standards of the playable characters.

How about Fontaine now? The robot couples enemy looks creative

​@@thelazyartist_2649I really enjoy the fontaine storytelling. And sidechsracters (like dunphy from the musical group) do get a backstory. But I also think it is a bit close to "Arcane", with Chevreuse looking like caitlyn from LOL and also heaving a rifle with headshot and beeing a police officer- who (like caitlyn in arcane) is looking in underground city to find drugsmugglers. coincidence? I love the detective way of story telling.

By simplifying the electro archons dynamic w her puppet to being “parental” when it literally wasn’t harms so much nuances on her end that no one talks about because everyone accepted the unrequited familial bond scara harbors

I'd argue with "it works for the first two regions". Sure, it does work for the main story, but there are two quests in particular that really frustrated me. First, remember that guy in Xiangling quest that slept in ice for 300 years? Imagine the despair he felt realizing all his friends and loved ones are long gone, the world around him has changed dramatically. Oh wait, you guys are doing a cooking showdown? Guess I'll just forget about my whole life! The second quest is Xingqiu's one. We're walking through Liyue, spending millions buying out Cor Lapis that was reserved for Snezhnaya, just because one guy gets harassed. Sure, that won't affect economics nor Snezhnaya-Liyue relationships, cuz who cares about Snezhnaya, they have Fatui and Fatui are the bad guys! The whole Genshin story is so infantile that I just can't understand people that say they are playing it for the plot.

​@@artemiisolovyev8531 well, the entire quest is lighthearted and this guy Is basically the Squirrel from 'Ice age'. Sure, it would be interesting if the plotline of the quest explored the despair you mentioned. But also it would disrupt the flow of the questline instead of just playing this for the gags. And for the fatui, you damn right. Especially considering that it's in Mondstadt the fatui directly attacked the archon and faced no retaliation at all. Everyone just covered it up. Or not covered up, but completely neglected it. Although... it should be noted, fatui wasn't *that* bad back at the beginning. I mean, there were not much information of their intervention. But the later overall neglect of the fatui actions is just underwhelming. They can do whatever they want on foreign soil: lie about their involvement, experiment on people, attack archons and just overally put at risk public safety. And nobody have questions for them nor Snezhnaya authorities.

@@laytonvicars4606 If you want good politics in a fantasy video game, I'd suggest the Crossbell duology of the Kiseki series. The political relations between Crossbell State and its two suzerains and the two superpowers of the continent of Zemuria, the Republic of Calvard and the Erebonian Empire, are really compelling. It actually touches on the issues of Crossbell's sovereignty in a way that Mihoyo wishes they could write. Mihoyo actually takes inspiration from the Trails series, as Star Rail's director confirmed. I mean, HSR's combat system is just Trails without orbments or movement. Asta's staff is just like the orbal staves of Kiseki. The Fatui is just Teyvat's version of the Secret Society of Ouroboros in Zemuria. So they understand what good worldbuilding looks like, but fail to understand why it's good.

Goddamn. That’s some crazy hyperbole. Crank it down a bit and I might be able to take you seriously.

Thats exactly what Im thinking. They couldnt even come up with a good excuse they just said- play the game till the end and then you will get a continuation of the main plot

I've said the same thing so many damn times. If lumine is leader of the abyss order, why aren't we trying to investigate or find out more about the Abyss order as a whole instead of going to every nation playing errand boy and fixing everyone's problems and doing their damn taxes. The journey is supposed to be about finding our twin, I'd be fine with traveling to each nation if it had a PURPOSE or lined up with us reuniting with our twin. That's what's lacking in the story, purpose. We do everything for practically no reason and we're just supposed to go along with it.

Exactly, why even bother? Just research about the abbys or something

That is why I am trying to understand dude why you are even doing this all shit. You know your sibling is with abyss research about abyss instead unless there is a good backstory for it as the same question was asked by scara to Traveler why they are even bothering to save sumeru

i mean there is the unknown god. he could be askin about that?

You make a good point. It's probably so they don't write up the whole story all at once. But that excuse rings hollow when you can just come up with narrative points at which Aether confronts Zhongli about it and this ultimately causes a rift between the two of them. Or something along those lines. But it seems that the story barely wants to progress anyways.

@@greenlineessays And when the story does progress it's just like.. that's it? lol. What you spitballed with aether and zhongli is more interesting than anything the writers will actually put into the game (in the form of something that isn't a wall of text). After months of waiting, a disappointing update is not enough to keep spyware eating up all my storage downloaded, as much as I want to experience something fun happen after all the time and interest in the characters that has been invested :(

I want some hint about paimon real identity after all these years. Imagine traveler meet one archon,cutscene happen normally,but the archon keep sideglance to paimon and and occasionally stare at camera. And then they suddenly asking "traveler,do you ever wonder what exactly is your travel companion? Do you even ever see anything else like her in teyvat? MC: well paimon is...paimon Paimon: yeah paimon is paimon! "...i see,so that's what happening here,there's no point i am asking that then,i think i just leave it like this for now" *the archon suddenly shift his gaze toward paimon* "I bet you're suprised i am asking that,isnt it? Well guess what "paimon" i am different from everyone,your little trick wont work on me,i dont know what your plan,but i just follow the story like usual for now" Paimon: ...

@@tadicahya6439 I think the reason nobody brings it up is because Teyvat filled with all sort of creatures. You got gods, you got lesser gods, you got talking animals, you got talking dragons, you got Yokai in Inazuma, you got genies in Sumeru, you got demons. So on and so forth. You got so many things that Paimon doesn't seem so odd anymore. But what's odd is that we don't get to see her and the Traveler acting like friends that much. It's either bickering, bullying, forced "suck up to Paimon" options. Yet we're supposed to believe they're the best of friends?

@@user-so4ov7re3sexactly all these things you mentioned are plural and people always ask what they are when they encounter them firstly, Boreas, Dvalin,the Yokai, the Djins all of them have a form of background, but why don’t they do that with paimon? Yet they choose to insult our intelligence when she introduces herself by saying “Paimon is Paimon” very silly.

I don't think my phone has enough storage space for those event

If your a lore lover there are some archives on YT you can watch on their channel

​@@Permiton see that's the problem, as mentioned in the the video you can view the lore on yt sure but you'd still miss out on other bits of lore as well as missing out on the experience itself

I've seen Klee's animation! Super adorable. Not to mention Rosaria's spear kick which was very cool. gave her a bit more flavor.

Amber also had an unique idol!

Pretty sure they got rid of Klee’s animation because people thought it was problematic? Idk how true it was. (People said it was too sexual?) but that’s just rumours I heard.

I think it's more a case of "Genshin is just a passive income generator for us to make Honkai 3rd and Star Rail cooler"

​@@Glaycierhow could a child being cute be sexual!!!?

This is so true, hopefully they will expand on the relationship between nations

This, inazuma locked down and trapped foreign citizen and somehow the other country including their own archon didnt make an effort to evacuate the people the only one that do everything is the genshin russian empire

A good example of your idea is the story about Morax's iconic osmanthis wine line, which is talking about how Morax used to invite the original archons to Liyue to ( i think?) drink wine and just have a good time and now Zhongli is reminiscing about those times and how every og archon is gone (besides venti)

i thought tevyavt was just a continent

still waiting for the mora drought, and people protesting to liyue

its cuz some stuff has yet to be explained yet like paimon, paimon will eventually get explained mostlikely through archon quests but ti'll probably be awhile due to her big importance to the story I imagine. As for backstory and lore I cant expect them to all show that when its not what theyre focused on and more likely pushing the story forward with characters and world.

​@@kingalex105x7 that's fair! I understand that. But I think a lot of what Paimon says, and her presence? vibes? whatever you wanna call it lol alter the tone of the story in a weird way. Then again, that's also within genre expectations, so I guess I can't really judge that part objectively. I personally have my doubts about most theories on Paimon, but I never really dwell on theories anyway so I don't have much to say on that.

@@maryshen1418 yea most people in the story write her off as a fairy, pet and junk which is I think a common thing they see like xiangling having a red panda thats not native, or Oz. Paimon is just something like em people think (I think albedo thinks something similar in his quest). I personally believe paimon is some sort of seelie as new info makes it feel more probable

@@kingalex105x7 I think that's a theory that could happen (I don't know that much about seelie lore, but Paimon's definitely a special creature of some kind). On that note though, Hoyo could do a better job about making the origin stories of Guoba or Albedo a *permanent* thing, because... that's pretty important xD

@@maryshen1418 its not important to the main story, more just important to the character like a fun fact tbh. I do wish Albedo's quest was permanent but in the end it just worked to expand on him & others but not much on something that wont be explained later in the main story.

Dont say it. Dont say it Im gona say it Vivziepop writing

Yet another problem that stems from Genshin being a gacha game. Playable characters are written in a way to encourage players to pull for them, and nothing more. Any character that isn't playable is of course already in the trash bin. I find it really funny how the majority of female characters just end up in the "moe" trope, including but not limited to A GODDESS

@@neneppie ...which i find weird, because i would be more invested in pulling their characters if they were actually interesting and well-thought-out.

@@niicespiice you're in the minority, it seems, so it's not that weird

Well I think the reason they expect you to care about characters is their gameplay/ voicelines... I remember back in the day people were, actually, very excited about characters. I personally loved Beido because of her voicelines and cool ult, same with my main, Razor (yeah I used Jp dub lol). Like how everyone likes Hu-Tao for the megumin VA and that one idle animation of her holding the ghost (shit's só fking cute) Also part of the reason everyone went bonkers over Dehya being bad. Problem is that it just doesn't quite cut it enough, especially with how many characters are out there now. Also it always felt like we were just waiting for "our character's" moment to shine in the story, but then we see they'll just keep adding and focusing on new ones. I've stopped playing this game for about two years now, only occasionally loging back to check it... And it's pretty sad actually, I used to care about the OG characters but never got anything from that

trash take idiot

THIS i havent seen anyone talk about this yet (and im also not too far in the video) but i hate how "on-the-nose" genshin is with its storytelling

updates: at least they break the cycle in sumeru, but man... it's damn too late for me and i don't want play Inazuma archon quest because they have bad pacing and nonsense story

Genshin NEEDS to re-do Inazuma.Also Sumeru was just the same with a _slightly_ better Story. There were still many problems, but some genshin fans won't take any criticism anyways. Sorry, if there was any error in my comment.

The dialogue was also horrible.

Yeah, the MC makes no sense as a character in the plot. The only person MC should trust says "don't trust them" and yet MC trusts them completely and does odd jobs all day and goes to festivals while sibling is missing. Even after learning about the abyss, continues without question to trust and go to festivals. The festivals really annoy me.

@@nottyseel949 Same. Like, aren't you searching for your sibiling? why the fuck are you launching fireworks in Liyue? reading books in Inazuma? playing with balloons in Mondstat? It seems like he/she doesn't really care for their sibiling and just wanna have fun around.

Drogonspine, tsurumi & enkanomiya pure lore.

Clever thought, I also noticed it Genshin has an awful game design, where instead of making few hours of costant good content, does crumbles of good content inside hours of trash. It helps to keep the hype high, and the game alive. Kinda reminds me of Ubisoft lol. Fuck live service games, that's why I prefer games with a proper ending. However, I love how gacha systems work: patiently grinding to then pull all in one go is hella satisfying, but everything that revolves around gacha is terrible, microtransactions and bad content... Would have gladly preferred if Genshin was a paid game with around 60 costant good hours... but a business model like this doesn't last in China :/

They can mitigate the dmg a bit though if they even bothered to try. Yes the gatcha pretty much screwed them in terms of story but it was and still is salvageable. Talk to any number of the fans and they can give you some nice ideas for the story. Simply put Hoyoverse doesnt know or just refuses to make any meaningful changes to the story and lore. I mean they dont even give the Traveler a personality or voice lines during the main quest, how lazy and bad can you be to make the mc as boring as they are.

good description. it totally feels that way.

@@FireClare The traveler has a personality. I agree that its delivery is lackluster, but even in the main story you can see that they are not a blank slate. If you actually listen to the voiceovers it becomes pretty obvious.

They tried too hard redeeming them. For sure Ei is cute, pretty and have nice booba but it doesnt excuse what she did to people of inazuma

@@shutup1037 right they just brushed it off

​@@shutup1037for me they treated well scara with his redemption ei no but scara yes

Y.E.S. The main story (wandering the 7 nations to find your sibling) screeches to a halt whenever dainsleif appears on screen with his quests that are barely consequential to the rest of the plot. And it doesn't just ruin the flow of the story, but its very purpose. YOU FOUND YOUR SIBLING. HE'S THERE, TALK TO HIM. Why do I care about the next 4 nations if my supposed objective is guaranteed to be in neither of them? ------------- Also, F those "redemption arcs" * "Yes, I tried to kill thousands, but I was just following orders. Also, did you know I have a little brother?" * "I was just being tricked uwu" * "Wdym I didn't even have a redemtpion arc, I deleted myself from existence to absolutely no consequence!" Just... just let me play an evil character. Childe is a psychopath, I don't care about his brother, he didn't get redemption points for that, just don't even try and give me an interesting story to him. Raiden is a dumbass and a tyrant; make the rest of her story her redeeming arc, don't make up excuses. A date? Really? Same with wanderer. Make him, you know... wander. Like, with us. Travel across the world and learn that humans aren't all traitors and backstabbers, and that he can still find joy in life despite his best attempts at being a massive knob.

@@MrMe917 YESSS even though I ei and wanderer The storytelling with inazuma, was just straight up horrendous is the plot didn’t really make any sense and the pacing was not it at all I guess you could argue that the shogun puppet was the main reason inazuma was suffering since ei was just meditating in her own consciousness, but if anything that just makes it worse, I mean, she kind of neglected her duties as being the Archon of inazuma and left it to a robotic killer it is nice to see that she’s becoming a better archon currently but she should still properly apologize to her people as for wanderer he’s just a straight dumb ass for real tge first two betrayals were understandable, because his own mother neglected him, and his own friend died because of the fatui but to hate humanity, just because a child was sick and died was honestly just straight up idiotic. How was he supposed to fight that illness off? how was he supposed to survive without any proper care? I’m telling you if there’s one thing that he inherited from ei is that they don’t think clearly Fr and I want to talk about the story now that were in Fontaine. It feels like it’s connecting all together now with Sumeru when we did the dain quest in 3.5 it felt like it was actually part of the main plot of our journey so the game is improving on it storytelling it’s just on terms of character development not doing a necessary. Good job to me I feel like evil or psychotic characters can only be playable if they have a proper redemption arc im just happy Furina isn’t a Archon who’s making life horrible for her people when I mean by that is that she’s not overly opposing them or sentencing them to death The people in Fontaine seem to really have faith in her it’s just her main problem is that she doesn’t know how to properly handle the nation like she’s supposed to so maybe later on in the story, she’ll learn how to do things like that now I want to talk about future redemption arc’s specifically the tsaritsa now it doesn’t really seem like she has done anything bad in fact, I’m pretty sure she’s just in snezhnaya letting the other harbengers do there thing so I feel like she’ll have a proper redemption arc BUT the fact that she’s letting psychotic serial killers with their own motives into other nations causing trouble is honestly just disrespectful to the other archons she really doesn’t have the right to tell murderers to steal take or cause havoc upon the seven nations if I’m gonna be honest if all of the seven Archons ever meet in one place in the archon quest I feel like ei furina and murata wouldn’t exactly at kindly or want anything to do with the tsaritsa with venti zhongli and nahida they two of them knew her before the cataklysm and most likely agree on her opinion of Celestia, just not on her ways of doing so and nahida will probably act kindly to the tsaritsa but will still be cautious. That’s all I have to say.

What exactly do you think lore is? Are you going to say Souls games don't have lore?

@@handtomouth4690nice Strawmanning, you surely showed them

No, no. Surely they will add some story for him in like, five years! Right!?

My bet is that they don't want to give away to finale too early. Characters like Albedo and Kaeya had their stories teased because I think we'll be returning to Mondstadt once the final chapter rolls around

@@greenlineessays you're not off the mark, yeah 5 years

exactly. i hate how they tease all this huge stuff and then expect us to still care or remember years later when they finally decide to elaborate.

Maybe they gonna set up a story where characters surprised that he's khaenriah or maybe the writer decide for "oh i'm born from there but i never grew up there so i have no memories of it, sorry cant help!"

we already had his backstory though, what else is left to tell? most of the characters that were prominent in the main quest already had their moment so their story quest is just hanging out with them, which is what they were probably going for anyways

To me, Kazuha came to Guyun, explained about his friend who died and went away. Returned as backup sent by Ayato and went away, never to be seen again. I started in 4.0.

@@leen1705 Deadass, the game explained his background about his family falling into ruin like 4 times, at least 2 of those times being via LTEs (Irodori Festival and Golden Apple Archipelago 2022 to be specific). Pretty much every time it was explained it introduced a new detail a la "Oh, did you know this also happened? That's _crazy,_ right?"

@@SageRuffin i guess I'll watch youtube videos of those LTEs then🥹

It doesn't help that a lot of the information the game tries to give you is the same exact information it already gave you like not even 2 minutes ago half the time. Sometimes not even a sentence away, spoken by a different person. Usually in a voice so annoying you want to punt the person saying it back into the fucking ocean. Not naming any specific character of course.

@@Technature7567 omg this...or the fact that a shit ton of lore and world exploration goes through npcs you don't give 2 shits about. We should have more lore related characters !!

League of Legends has a super expansive world with a lot of history and backstory etc.

At least LoL and Overwatch has more interesting stories to tell Genshin Impact's storytelling is just painful.

@@gavinattalahadiyan325 Ikr, I mean just look at Arcane, by comparison Genshin's upcoming anime is going to be all show and no substance.

@@gavinattalahadiyan325 I think when it is the smaller quest Genshin have some nice, not to colicated storise. Like in Inazuma the Sakura Treee Purfication quest, or the Human Sacroficing villige, or the Namless Smurai. For me this quest were the best, ebcause they are simple but effective and they building the world. + They are allowed to be tragic or sad.

Believe it or not but Mihoyo used to be pretty darn good at telling stories with their manga.

The worst part is that it is not just eshtablished, you are talking. Like when you choose the from the two "different" optuons you are talk. And I disagree, Liyue quest is increadibly infurating as thematicly is a mess.

I never really liked silent protagonists for the most part, to be honest. There are exceptions like Isaac Clarke from Dead Space 1 and The Doomslayer who already tells you everything you need to know through his actions and gestures alone (I have never played The Legend of Zelda, so can't have an opinion of Link), but for the most part? Yeah, silent protags in non RPG games just feel dull. Which makes Genshin's "feat" of failure with its silent protag even more impressive because it has role playing elements. That's what happens when you try to "hybrid" Role Playing capacity with giving the videogame's Main Character a defined personality or identity. It just does NOT mesh well and Fallout 4 is right there for proof of it. Honestly, they should've just followed the Honkai Impact 3rd route and just have a well established cast of characters or protagonists who do not serve to get detracted by a walking void blanket.

​@@mekingtiger9095 Eh, Dead Space Remake showed that Isaac being able to talk actually improves the game's story a _lot_ since it gives his character more agency. Half the objectives in the game got changed from other people ordering Isaac around to Isaac himself figuring out what to do. Which works because he's an engineer, figuring it out is basically his area of expertise

@@DreamyAileen Thats becuase the concept of Dead Space went from Horror to Action shooter during the remake process, contrast this with the System Shock remaster and you see what I mean. Silent protagonists can work but you need a dedicated writing team with people who actually care, writing the story and the characters. The Remake team were tasked with doing their jobs, and they did. The money speaks for itself.

listen, I hate it too- it's really annoying- most people say it's because traveler never managed to actually learn Teyvat's language (i'll be honest just read traveler's "about languages" dialogue and you'll find that Paimon already taught them-) but with other contradictions im not sure if that's the case.

I agree when it comes to the archon quest. At least for now. If you recall I gave a positive reception when it came to the first half of Inazuma. It wasn't until the second half where I became disappointed by the story. I'm really hoping the second half of Sumeru lives up to the hype. And when you say they brought up Collei's past; are you referring to when her past was told to us and not shown? That particular part is still one of the biggest issues in this game.

@@greenlineessays Collei's story was told to us by Tighnari, who doesn't really know how Collei looked like whe she was young or Dottore or the Fatui who experimented on her, so it's natural that it was not shown to us. Shenhe's story was actually shown to us because the storyteller Yunjin finds out about the God she was sacrificed to and who saved her, she knows about them. Genshin may not have proper execution of their story sometimes but this was logical.

@@aniketgupta8988 To be fair, they didn't explain what happened in mondstat with the fatui attack, but this is just 3.0, so maybe we will see it later.

@@greenlineessays based on the trailer for 3.1 the next part of the Sumeru story looks good

@@hoppie4263 It does!!!

And that really does say something about the writing doesn't it? Normally in a story you'd see consequences of people's actions. Basic cause-and-effect. You would think that during that Inazuma event that Childe might've even been wanted by the government. Specifically I'm talking about the labyrinth event with Xinyan. And you would think that Raiden might have to go into hiding and retire given the events of the Archon quest. But nothing ever feels like it moves naturally from one plot point to the next. Remember Rukkhadevata? They had to write in the story that people would forget about her. Why? That sounds like multiple quests worth of story that they could tap into. But they couldn't be bothered because we just need to get to the next region. Nahida's trauma? Who cares? The fact that this might lead to a possible civil war? Not interesting enough. The fact that this would take us multiple months and story progression that could have been the majority of 2023 is actually astounding. It's astounding because the writers completely squandered it, or perhaps I should say the executive team. Genshin could have a compelling story, but refuses to tell it.

The same with ZhongLi. If I remember correctly, he admitted directly to us that he agreed to the potential deaths of a whole city _(*his* people in _*_his_*_ land that revere _*_him_*_ so much)_ by making that deal with Signora...because he was indecisive about retiring. I don't get why the MC isn't iffy around him after that, at the very least MC expresses wariness around Childe occasionally.

@@FruitCapoeira And Yet somehow we are friend with Zhongli the guy who got us into trouble by faking his death and abandoned his duty. I mean the first impression i got from the god of contracts is him broke the contract and tricked his people.

Who is going to hold a god accountable?

Same thing with scaramouche, did bad things, tried to kill us, insult us, poisoned us and many other things. Then he decides to erase himself from history and I thought it was interesting to see what he was like in his "innocent" past form and how we were going to deal with that. But no, his memories were brought back and he's now the same asshole that he was in his past version (oh i forgot, in past """reincarnation""") it looks like mihoyo did the same thing they made with Raiden and Ei. Explaining better, its more like: "look guys raiden is the bad one not the ei!!! cuz she's the silly uwu god waifu!!!" and this happened with scaramouche, it's just kind of shit cuz wanderer (someone who should represent scaramouche's reincarnation) has scaramouche's memories, as if it's a bad thing to erase someone who literally tried to kill you, even tho I'm a fan of wanderer I still hate his rude personality and also seeing that personality itself being portrayed as "tsundere behavior" just pisses me off. All these things makes it seem like just a shit move to make the character playable without him being the villain, because "villains are bad >:((((" and without removing the "essence" of the character even though is literally what i said before...THE WANDERER IS THE FRICKIN' REINCARNATION OF SCARAMOUCHE!!! (ie: Scaramouche ≠ Wanderer)...jeez they practically don't even care about the game's lore these days, they just want a way to get your money.

What do you mean? The traveler lines are text only in the replay too.

Where?

broo you are a god, one of the things that annoys me the most in genshin is that they managed to make an EXORCIST DRAGON BOY boring, which honestly is beyond insane imo

THIS. Many interesting characters arent given attention or fleshed out at ALL. It feels just ...lazy as hell😭 there's so many amazing lore-based theories that are just never gonna be explored. To this day there is people who dont know how Scaramouche was created (yknow, a character that's been so hyped for so long??) Because it's an artifact story. Even seen ppl who dont know where Kaeya is from, etc. Same with so many characters and potentially important plot details that are just not explored as they should be. Rlly just makes the characters feel shallow unless you put actual effort into reading all their lore from external sources, cuz OFC the story isn't gonna tell you shit.

Thank you for highlighting the lack of acknowledgement for the exorcist dragon boy

ayato is such a waste because he sounds so intriguing, he plays the comissioner role so well and could’ve been a really key player on the archon quest and yet they barely even CITE him what does he get? a random ass quest about a WEDDING that ISNT HIS to begin with, he does literally NOTHING important, his whole existence has no effect

@TooSoon 123 I still can't believe that people were so hyped for Ayato and now people mostly just fill him with headcanons because he is that wasted and bland in the game that nobody cares for canon Ayato. You'll only see fanon in the media. It's such a massive disappointment.

@@winghong3 EXACTLY-

Its not fully that its a gacha game, its because of the WAY the release their story chapters, it takes a time to make content and assets, and we get parts of the story in little chunks instead of the whole, cohesive story in one go, and as such, some characters only get finished in the middle of the development cycle. As another gacha game that does heavy story chapters, look at FGO, releasing bundles of characters and taking 4-6 months between major story chapters.

Massively agree with this, and one thing i really want is for playable characters to be in regions outside of the story, because rn they just completely disappear after the story Like imagine seeing venti roaming the streets of mondstadt or zhongli listening to morax's stories It would make the game so much more alive

out of all the characters you mentioned, only really 3 of them were somewhat explained. ayato was supposedly hiding in the kamisato estate, helping (sort of) manipulate the traveler to help them using ayaka. rather than doing things himself, he got thoma, ayaka, yoimiya, sayu, and the traveler to do things for him. secondly, heizou is a member of the tenryou commission. from what you can tell from his character, while he doesn’t exactly like kujou sara, she’s still his boss, so he does most things he tells her to. heizou was someone who was enforcing the vision hunt decree, assumably. thirdly, itto. this motherfugger. basically what i understand happened to him is that kujou sara yoinked his vision so he started wallowing and harassing the tenryou commission to give it back.

@@iri783 ayato's isn't in game, you shouldn't need to watch a VIDEO on yt to understand a plothole.

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For me, I only find the non-voiced quests boring, but the voiced ones are actually quite good, at least for me that is.

umm Honkai is more focused to the story between Character,and Genshin focussing to the Story of The World,so it's different fundamental. If you love World Build aspect in the Story just like me, Genshin is a great story to read,but if you love the emotional than Honkai is better

@@sayyidash-habussunan here's the thing the world is definitely unique but I'm having a hard time even caring for the world when many of the characters feel flat. Characters are always important in the story, in every story told that includes genshin story. Characters is what makes the world be alive. I think the biggest improvement they can do is to make sure characters especially one that are meant to be important in the world actually feel like they matter in this world, giving them highlights and roles that show of their impact. The world shouldn't be the only one driving the narrative some characters should also have a hand on doing so like archons.. with sumeru I see a big improvement and I hope to see it improve more

​@@sayyidash-habussunan not true, I get more world building from honkai compare to genshin BY FAR, relative to its release schedule. honkai just have characters and story on top of that.

You might want to take that back since Honkai's story telling is beginning to fall apart and become terrible.

@@Zliarx on but atleast it is happening when everything main important to the plots are over. Genshin does not even start

hi3 is given far more attention than genshin, i mean, its their biggest project after all.

@@Muelas69 Unfortunately how even Honkai Impact 3rd lost its way story wise (in my opinion)

​@@dresadan1387the finalé to hi3rd part 1 was terrible. Judging by the trailers for part 2, they're just gonna go with the shitty genshin formula for storytelling.

Lmao this is actually a great comparison

HG2/GGZ is the oldest btw... just saying

BUT...YOU COULD READ THE MANGA!!! You just have to take time out of your schedule to read a comic...

@@greenlineessays I could /s But I shouldnt be expected to.

@@greenlineessays THEY JUST ASSUME WE KNOW EVERYTHING 😭 ik the lore bc I'm a Kaeya main but I'm still so surprised they never bothered to tell us anything? Like...isn't it important that a character was (or still is) a spy from another place? And how another ones dad died bc of it? Especially if they're planning to put this into events like damn at least give us a resume of the story..

read the manga :(

When I’m expected to know Signora’s past through taking time out of my day and reading artifact lore

So you hate that the weapons and artifacts have history tied to some characters or events

maybe they have yet to reach a point in the main story to reach touching said lore? hmm?

@@kingalex105x7 idk, it's like literally midpoint in the story already

@@kingalex105x7 2 years and still not?

@@tinienteabanil2922 yall are wanting end game lore or lore that has yet to be relevant, one example is like we knew irminsul existed for over a year and now it only gets touched on in sumeru gonna be longer for other things

I was so hyped back then because my theory that the travelers arent the good ones to me was proven (i play as Aether and people in fanarts portray them as sooo loving and caring and nice , yet he was willing to IMMIDIATELY leave with the twin teyvat, not including paimon(Means the whole friendship with paimon is just fake, if you noticed also in sumeru and fontaine each time paimon talks about their future plans together traveler replies with "...") and all hangout, friendships with other characters or fate of teyvat has no meaning, since the twins tried to leave at start of game when teyvat turned to chaos and destruction like "oh shit I'm out ", and now they immmidately wanted to go to find "a new home", also leaving teyvat behind, not caring. we dont know anything of the twins. they said they pointed at random stars /planets to travel ut why did they leave then? maybe THEY were the cause of chaos in each world and when it was the peak of destruction they simply left to the next. I had hopes that aether in my case would then become more "evil" not being nice to everyone, regaining the power like said in start of game, with us with each element becoming stronger kits, their interaction often then being selfish and distanced from the twin and we develop a strong own lore....yet...we got nothing.... worst thing is we still behave like a toddler to our sibling. they are teenagers, they aren't 4. , pardon, teenager body but probably ancient gods. that both twins cling so bad to each other for 3 years is just unrealistic and adds to the unrealistic sibling/writing (only more realistic ones are diluc and kaeya even tho they are no real siblings). I started to play for the traveler. meanwhile he is just a puppet in a game of fanservice flirty otome shipping things hoyo tries to bait the people with, or the gary stu (lumine =mary sue) who wins each tournament, is always best, is the only one that makes friends with characters , only one can help whole nations....)

​@@glasperle77 OMG- I love that theory!! man it would've been so cool if aether (I play as him too) became more cold the more power he gained- but exactly as you said, i hate what the traveler has become. The traveler has just become a self insert sort of character for all the ships :/ the original hook is barely seen with all of this content in game at this point

Well they "killed" off a Playable Character in Honkai star rail in the worst way Possible. Even the Playable Characters are confused and unsure if she's even dead. Literally in Limbo and a New Mystery box to hook the audience deeper.

Probably because if they kill off a playable character then that means no more future content for said character = less incentives to spend money for them

@@PyroliteThis is why backstory-based quests that take place from the character's POV via flashbacks of sorts are important

The scene with navia where she falls into the ocean made me lose my marbles. I had to put the game down because I was rolling my eyes so hard.

Like why tf do you add a new plot for the characters in the quests when you haven't even finished establishing the backstory. I feel like they should work on the foundation before doing these side stories that don't relate to their characters or the relationships.

yess a lot of genshin characters are interesting on paper but in the game they are boring to death because they don't interact with each other, and even if they do - it's way too polished, too neutral, so their interesting-ness doesn't mean anything

Exactly THIS, I literally did Ruu’s quest and Enkonomiya story quest without actually processing the information I did bc can you blame me?All that monster fighting, exploring, and puzzles tried me the hell out. It wasn’t until I saw a video talking about it that I truly appreciated it. The amount of dialogue bored me to death that I skipped these two heartbreaking stories like wtf???

I'm not sure if Genshin's reliance on dialogue is the problem. Or at least, there's more nuance, since other games do it better. For example, the Yakuza Saga. I fucking love all of the Yakuza games, especially 0 and Kiwami, and if you're not gonna do substories most of your playtime is honestly spent clicking thru dialogue and watching cutscenes. I'm not sure why, but Yakuza does story-focused gameplay really well.

Its as if the characters are too big for them to mess with the stories of, that they choose to use discardable npc’s instead. I had this problem most up to last year, but with all the many characters we get, the world feels so lonely. So empty and lonely. Npcs follow the same schedule, characters only appear in story cutscenes and quests. Its a lonely quiet world.

Exactly, Childe's story at least gives us a new perspective of who he is, at this point we only know that he is an asshole who would not mind to sacrifice an entire nation just to fulfill the Tsaritsa's commands, however in his quest we learn that he is a family guy and is willing to publicly embarass himself in front of new recruits and potentionally risk his life and take it to the extreme by using his delusion just to protect his brother's innocence WHILE still being stated that he is a fatui and does not regret what he did because for him his family comes first. It gives him depth and despite not justifying his actions we get to understand them and feel sympathy

@@ItsTanuki0_Clock As much as I dislike Childe as a character (I'm just not a fan of that particular combination of tropes. Oh, look. A Bishounen Blood Knight. How original.), I also think he has one of the better stories for the reasons you described.

Before I started playing genshin I saw literal everyone simping for Childe, and when I played I was just like "eh..". But yeah his story quest was so good and (same with Zhongli's) I actually enjoyed the story instead of just doing it for the primogems. So now he's my favorite character

Skip button as our anniversary reward!

Please just give me the skip button. Mihoyo's writing for this game is so bad I don't even care about the story anymore

that would be more logical, sadly

Genshin realized Inazuma was flopping, so, they thought that killing Signora would save it. For Scara, it would be better if we got to fought him instead of a robot IN Inazuma.

For the second one maybe.., Inazuma was appropriate, because the sages wanted a new god, that Make the Fatui's work easier. And Scara wanted...

⁠@@Vocal0idSupermacy_gumimikuthey plan things like a year in advance so the inazuma story was realized months before 2.1 released.

Yeah, they should 100% have that in a folder like the story quests so you can play them but not get the same rewards like when the event is running.

it feels like it's deliberate that there isn't one, in order to capitalize on the fear of missing out on limited time stuff so people keep coming back every day. hoyo does this in all of their shit

@@depthsparade oh yeah, it definitely is.

real, I stopped after the chasm event and I know I'm majorly behind, but its so overwhelming yknow, plus the charm of the game is kinda lost on me by now I get why they wouldn't have a feature like a folder with old quests because of space (probs why GAA is a limited timed event/area) but it would be fun to revisit old quests and events to get more context for the new stories.

@@lemonswl3324 Same, I stoppped after the chasm. I logged in when Sumeru came out, went to the edge of Sumeru and... exited the game. Looking at the new area didn't fill me with excitement and I deleted the game. It's been about a year I think and I JUST downloaded the game yesterday. I decided that I'll explore Fontaine while it's small and later explore Sumeru and do the quests after. But it's still not the same. I've missed events, I'm still skipping every side quest. I'm only really enjoying exploration but it's fun ig.

yanfei be advocating fr

With more and more characters are released, its like they mix together so much, i cant differentiate between them. I don’t understand their personalities from the story cause none of them have a distinct voice for the sake of info dumping and drowning us in dialogues, which i force myself to focus on listening to cause of how tiring and boring it all is, and when i still cant place who that character is, i have to read their story! It doesnt mean anything. I get that genshins world and people have a different way of talking which is why it feels too serious, but thered still be different ways people speak! Different accents so on… The character designs seem good on such a surface level, they don’t feel human, it literally feels like theyre using 3 mannequins and switching their clothes, handing them a new script as their new backstory. All the details in the designs and clothes but all the outfits are the same. Everyone is the same person.. it infuriates me.

Everytime there is a long dialogue in a quest i just watch yt videos and have the auto play on,whenever i stop hearing sounds from the characters in the game i just click the replies and continue on lol

Hey Yanfei is actually pretty fun! Other than that yes I agree most characters have a bland presentation, mostly because of the people writing the dialogue.

Layla: Is sleepy Sayu: Is sleepy Jean: Is overworked Kokomi: Is overworked See what I mean?

It's getting an anime. Search it up.

​@@theilluminatibenefactorthat was teased so long ago and we do not have any info about it 😭 the anime could be about anything

@@theilluminatibenefactorI’m not hyped for it anymore honestly, they teased it long ago and made everybody excited, but now many are disappointed because it’s been like two years. They teased the anime WAY too early. They should’ve had teased it when they were finally done with the seasons, but you can never expect much when it’s hoyo anyway.

@@kaizen3471 they already do this kind of thing chibi companion but it actually evil/get posses and be a god/corrupted god with higokomori from their other game Honkai Impact 3

@@razornad1299 I honestly hope Paimon turns out to be evil and a future boss so I can rip her a new asshole as many times as I want.

Lmao just uninstall the game bro

@@darialomurno05 useless comment is useless

@@peckneck2439 I don't get why people that get annoyed by a game still play it, I would rather unistall it until it gets good, or if it doesn't improve, not play it at all, it's not worth it I guess some people just have too much time

@@darialomurno05 just because you dislike one part of something doesn't mean you dislike the whole thing bestie what

@@BasilBread I expected there was going to be a comment saying that I know, but it's not worth it imo

Which is a problem I’m and if itself that HIDDEN lore is better than what they wanna present. If you didn’t scroll through the hidden lore you’d never know that a bulk of inazuma problems were caused by watasumi island or was affiliated with them some how. If you didn’t look at hidden lore you’d never know that venti was the reason la signora became who she is. The amount of important details that are buried through books and other literature which stated by zhongli and other archons is not fully accurate is in red asinine

The hidden lore is soo good

botw be like:

@@Hymn_ botw is pretty straight forward as long as you dont count the memories as hidden lore and thats just stupid.

@@akatosh5792 yea. but the story feels empty because how many hidden lores it has

The main issue is that traveler brushes it off. People do fet curious but traveler themselves don't care which makes no sense

alsao albedo also asked at some point if paimon was an extension of us (like an external organ), and a melusine said paimon was like a balloon but the string extends up into the sky.. ive been thinking anything related to paimon is endgame story stuff so it makes no sense to expand on it now when that isnt one of the player's priorities OR one of the traveler's

2.7 wasn't an upgrade. Itto did absolutely nothing but clowned half of quest. Itto was just there for the sake of rerun banner. The devs knew Itto was useless there so they had to made him collapsed half way because they did not know how to corporated him to the story any further. And Kuki was there to cooked roast lavender melon LMFAO. . And Itto being the "the best characterised character" is total arbitrary non sense. Typical clown character, with kind personality. But his character does fit for 12 yo audience, so that make sense. And Halfdan.... 30 seconds of screentime, died 3 minutes later. Nobody cares about Halfdan. 3.0 was a slight improvement 5.5/10. But I can't really called it an improvement if it was just a fluke. And They chickened out by bringing Dunyarzad back to life after they showed her ghost in the dream. Smh.

@@saddany3254 honestly if they let dunyarzard die , it wouldve made the story much better. Not that i hate dunyarzard but it will make the story more emotional Also if itto wasnt a crackhead in 2.7 and doesnt want to argue with Yelan , we wont even have the story to begin with so yes he does play a big role in the event. Also Itto is there because of Kuki. So id say everyone has a role in the event story

So I think the story has improved...a little. The problem is we've been given HOT garbage for the story and now that they have made the smallest of improvements it comes across as great progress; when in actuality barely any progress has been made. Although improvements are improvements. You already forgot what happened in 2.8 huh? Says a lot. Kazuha's domain should have been his story quest. And now, people who haven't played 2.8 won't get to see it. Fischl's is the same. It should have been a quest. As they are now though, it's still not that great. A large chunk of those quests just have audio. Where are the visuals? They didn't bother to make any kind of animation for these stories. You've only played f2p games!? Like, you haven't played any game that costs money? Some of those games have the best stories! If you ever do get around to play those you'll start to see why Genshin is not that great. But I'm also hoping the anime gives us the better story as well.

Also, Dunyazard wasn't that outstanding because she's an NPC. If she was a playable character I would care a lot more.

@@greenlineessays Went to read the comments first before watching the video. This right here is an actual garbage take. "She's an NPC so she's irrelevant." Fk that shit. You already had a bias against her so the whole story had less impact on you. Was gonna try watching the video but with a shit take like that, better procrastinate somewhere else. Since I won't be watching this video, I'll just leave my take here on the whole story. Prologue is generic AF. Chapter 1 is okay. Chapter 2 is great... for the first part, then went shit for the second part. Chapter 3 is great so far. MVP goes to Nahida and Dunyarzard. P.S. I turned off my comment notification so I won't be tempted to reply to some monkey brain response. Yeah I have a closed mind but so do most people and highly likely whoever refutes this. It iwll just end with long back and forth with no resolution until one of us gets tired. Better just leave it here after giving my take.

The fact I had to google who Teppei was should speak volumes as to how important of a character they were.

Right !?!!😅

they did the abyss sibling reveal way before inazuma, in 1 or 2 trailers on youtube it focuses on the sibling even beore the game's release and during the mondstadt quest we get a shot of her and some abyss mages iirc. although i've heard they did change the inazuma storyline several times (i think they changed writers?) which is why it was executed so poorly

@@xxri I’m specifically talking about revealing the info about where the twin is to the traveler. The main character’s original motive is finding their sibling, then it turns out sibling is with abyss, and gives a side quest about finding the truth of Teyvat, after which the two will meet again.

@@AnArtistInAVoid yeah, i mean why didnt we just go together with our sibling and find out the truth of Teyvat? Was there a single dialogue where the Traveler refuse their sibling's plan to overthrow Celestia??? No, not a freaking single bit. Were there any differences in our ideals? Depends on how you answered Dains three questions, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. I know there are nuances in our answers but at least show what it is.

@@BiBiren i think that the traveler was in shock about the whole siding with the abyss thing. Plus the traveler seemed more interested in just leaving teyvat to do its own thing, instead of staying there. It’s specifically the Abyss sibling who refused to leave until they’ve conquered the heavens.

I think she's getting worse. The aranara quest is 10 hour long and every 15 min interval you she keeps mentioning how difficult the korok names are. She just completely ruins any tension in archon quest and is so hyperfixated on Mora and food for no reason

"why not just say they met right then and there." That would require the animators putting in effort to show you getting Paimon out of the water while fishing.

Yeah, namecards feel like the biggest dud of a reward, especially after all the effort you put in up to that point to unlock them. Name cards should be given when you unlock the character, then give pulls or something when you reach friendship 10

@@theanuscancer You can get 3 pulls when you ascend your character past lv20, lv50, and lv70. You don't even need friendship for this at all.

@@MultiDragonreaper Yeah, after you get all the pity characters those feel way less valuable though. With the amount you put into friendship you'd expect like one or two intertwined fates at least

@@theanuscancer I agree, raising your friendship with the characters is pretty difficult for no reason. You either play them for months or have them in your teapot all the time, and they only give you a single namecard with NOTHING else. Not even asking for wishes but a small reward maybe? This game doesn't really feel rewarding at ALL with the sheer amount of effort necessary for almost everything

This has to be the actual stupidest comment I've ever read. The fact that the author of the video likes it pretty much tells me how skewed their standards are and that they just seek validation about the video rather than criticism. Let's deconstruct the points one by one. About why the Traveler doesn't work as a conduit for the player: While the Traveler is a silent protagonist, they never really were a character that gave agency to the player to begin with. Sure, they had multiple dialogue choices but they barely deviated from what they want to say or feel. We see this manifest even more in Fontaine where the Traveler downright takes control away from the player and begins actually speaking with voice lines about what they feel in regards to the current moment. See, for instance, Neuvillette's Story Quest. Abhout why the Traveler is a Dick: Because the Traveler chooses who the fuck he wants to be friends with no matter who you like or not. That's pretty much the simplest answer you can get. The Traveler is a character in and off themselves and they basically choose to trust/distrust character who we clearly see as good or bad. Sure, Lyney's been a nice person to the Traveler, but the previous run-ins they've had with the Fatui certainly skewed their perception of him up until that point. We see the relationship develop further as time goes by and then it becomes an actual friendship by the time the Arlecchino Story Quest hits. Why the Traveler doesn't ask the Archons about X: Because they either don't know, don't care, or can't tell the answer. You suggested to talk to VENTI. VENTI. The literal vaguest character in the entirety of Teyvat who can't even speak about his own nation without being A) Wrong or B) A fucking dick. Sometimes both. The Traveler has so much power to actually control the narrative or what questions they can ask without risking the diplomatic relationship they have with their archons. "But the Traveler saved the nation!" I will probably hear. Well, for one, the Traveler saved Liyue and was told by Zhongli that he couldn't speak because of his contract. He did find out the meaning of Fontaine's prophecy but it was Neuvillette who reversed it. His involvement in Sumeru is literally irrelevant because it technically didn't happen. Telling Nahida About Rukkhadevata's Sacrifice: The absolute most braindead suggestion I've ever heard that is literally EXPLAINED DURING THE ARCHON QUEST so it's not even a "this is explained in the background" excuse. Rukkhadevata sacrificed herself and was deleted from Irminsul to rid the world from forbidden knowledge. To tell Nahida or anyone about it would be to not only risk bringing forbidden knowledge back into the world (which was close to happening already with Apep's illness) but it also would risk the collapse of the ENTIRETY OF TEYVAT because it would cause a paradox. This was a risk that not even Nahida was willing to take despite bluffing about it to Dottore when she wanted to get information out of him. Despite how essay-like your comment is your reading comprehension is so questionable it makes me wonder if Paimon is repeating her exposition for morons like YOU. About the Sustainer of the Heavenly Principles and Skirk: WHAT THE FUCK DOES THE TRAVELER KNOW ABOUT EITHER OF THEM?! We know about both due to the lore dumps in background elements like items and artifacts but the Traveler doesn't. That's the entire point of the Archon quest to begin with since 1.4! When the game starts, the Sustainer is described to Paimon by the Traveler as an "unknown god" and they only say their name. Try telling me how the fuck they will ask that to an archon, let alone an entity that possibly transcends even them. I am not even going to talk about your issues with Sumeru or Fontaine because you clearly have the reading comprehension of a toddler. If you can't even understand the main quests themselves even when their important plot points are told to you in very clear text right in front of your face, then what the fuck am I supposed to expect from you? Because of RU-vid's lack of notifications regarding comments, it will probably take a long time to see if I ever get responded to this comment. I'm not giving this clown a view just for the sake of checking whether this thread gets answered or not. Just know that I am responding to this comment in particular because you are the embodiment of every commenter in this video and the author themselves. You miss the point of the game, you CLEARLY can't understand the plot points delivered to you, and the nuances that the characters have throughout the course of the story are ignored for the sake of your first Impressions. This screams surface-level bullshit and you guys need to spend less time writing about how bad Genshin's story is and more time reading a book because clearly you haven't done that and saying you have done otherwise is a lie.

TRUE theyre literally just tropes

At that point, they could’ve made some sort of gag about that to explain that away instead of making us assume it could be the case. If you want to learn and get better at a language, the best way to practice is to *speak*. It doesn’t excuse even a little bit why Traveller doesn’t speak. If this was the true problem and they make Paimon talk for us because we simply can’t, the way around this could’ve been Traveller still talks, but makes mistakes or has trouble finishing a sentence that Paimon would then translate *in short*, none of that long overdrawn bloated rehashing thats only inserted for 3 yr olds who didn’t get it the first time. And it can’t be a frequent thing either because that would get tiresome fast. Then they’d get better with it over time and less of these are needed to the point of even being completely gone by end of Liyue because mind you a lot of months have gone by between prologue and Sumeru. Which would make Traveller speaking up infront of a crowd of people asking about their brother in the climax Liyue’s main story quest all the more...intriguing? Exciting? “Finally we don’t need the bobble head anymore” or “Oh wow they spoke in front of a large audience” would be the reaction to this and in terms of genshin storytelling, id take it as a plus. A lot of people learning a new language worry of their tounge/words would be judged especially infront of anyone more than their selective group of friends/acquaintances etc. This gives Traveller a mini character arc and makes them much more relatable and less of a 2 dimensional character, while also giving them more than “My sibling! Please where are they?” and stock image syndrome. Paimon can obviously speak a few times but like Heizou said, not as our *voice*. Joker from Persona 5 doesn’t speak often, but his option dialogues have a lot of personality in them and thankfully he doesn’t have a floating bobble head next to him.

@@The1andonlysharpshooter lore about paimon, idk yet. but if you replace paimon voice with mc it will double size the audio file (male/female) 4 language every update + event. i think this is developer plan from the begining.

@@alkarana8106 that makes sense.

@@alkarana8106 Doesn't really change the fact that it's bad storytelling to to make your not silent protagonist have a mouthpiece for the entire game. They might as well have done away with Paimon but a mascot is necessary to sell hence why they kept her even though half the fanbase hates her

I don’t know if that’s canon. I saw someone say the same thing but they said it was just a theory.

Where the fuck did you get this bs about Lisa?

Omg I had no idea that Lisa was dying!

@@zeera2854 yeah, she is. The same thing that made her one of the most powerful people in Mondstadt is also slowly killing her

this isnt a fact

Inb4 Lisa's Sumero skin

For me, it feels more like how anime is written. I'm also okay with it.

​@@0Annou0I'm curious. What do you mean by how anime is written?

I know nothing about narration, but I have a question. Why do they explain something in 20 dialogues which can be explained in 10? I think that's far from reality.

@@Vocal0idSupermacy_gumimiku this actually already been explained. Its because the game is Chinese. Chinese characters are much more longer since each words have its own characters. Thus when talking, even explaining the most simple thing, it is long when spoke or written in Chinese. English and other language however (those who used ABC format) aren't like that, so most of the time, the translator ended up throwing words to fill in the space

​@@Someone-zn4dhIs there any solution for it?? I think I'm being nitpicky

as a honkai player i feel offended seeing them together to make a point

true, so,e parts of honkai story makes me think like wtf? but yea the story actually hits me emotionally

@@Hymn_ i'm curious to know those parts

@@jalcome4201 at least Honkai has a main character with personality

At least with Honkai, there's no boring wall of texts that we read as their backstory. Yes, the game is instance based so they do whatever they want.

trash take

​@@gamerbeast3616aha found one hoyo bootlicker that doesn't know what actually good content means. Total L behavior.

​@@gamerbeast3616aha found one hoyo bootlicker that doesn't know what actually good content means. Total L behavior.

Ikr! Like it feels as though we've entirely forgot about the Unknown Goddess imo, and tbh she doesn't even feel that relevant to the story anymore- luckily, things seem to be improving a LOT with Fontaine, the characters, stories and world is genuinely breathtaking. And NPC story quests are over! We can finally actually learn about the characters instead of helping NPC number 47373 find their missing jar of old honey which was the last thing their dog gave them. I'm pretty sure the last three regions (Natlan, Snezhneya and Khaenri'ah) are gonna be excellent.

i'd like to think that artifact lore will get touched on in quests, since we got the thundering fury set turned into ruu's quest, and the husk set is in the process of being told in the sumeru archon quest (and we even know the ending of scara's story from the set) but i don't want to put too much faith in them

Yes I love Itto and his Story Quest, but at the end of the day, he is just a random dude with a Vision and a unique design like 95% of the characters. Kokomi on the other hand, had played somewhat major role in Archon Quest, then they did her dirty. I was right from the get-go, I'd rather have her as a Divine Priestess than a "leader of the Resistance" cuz she is terribly bad at her job and doesn't look like one. Ayaka, too but she's this "oH I hAvE nO fRiEnDs" BTCH WTF?? What about Thoma?? BTCH you have like all the time in the world to roam around Inazuma City-- and at least make use of your stupid title, to make friends meanwhile your older brother has to stay in the house working 24/7 just to keep your family afloat when he almost didn't ever since your parents died. I main her, but I hate how she was written, so freakin boring. And I doubt they will be given an Act II just to save them from bad writing. Sorry for ranting, I feel like I need to get this frustration out of my chest.

@@BiBiren I do get Ayaka's sentiments as a whole. It's hard to make friends with people if you have no social awareness. Inazuma people are too old or middle aged. Ayaka is young, it's really hard to talk to people like that. Also, It's hard to make friends because you don't know if they're genuine or fake because of your title. Kokomi was just done dirty, that's all. Itto's story is actually high quality especially the ending. He's not part of the Archon quest (which sucks all in all)

@@Kyuushi-Ranch idk man, Ayaka certainly has social awareness considering that she is more sociable than her brother. Her mission to talk to three Inazumans who got their Visions recently confiscated proved that she is aware. Also not just Thoma, wbt Yoimiya? They hanged out once or twice

@@BiBiren I mean it depends I guess? Yoimiya + Ayaka would be a nice friendship but I dunno. Maybe Ayaka's much more socially awkward. Isn't that why we had to talk to the three Inazuman instead of Ayaka herself 🤔

that's how you know don't actually focus on the story at hand. delusions weren't given to the resistance, some coerced to them like teppei to grant him temporary power without the knowledge of the priestess much just a secret mysterious help because the plan that she never questioned about and the fatui's plan was to prolong the war enough to get the gnosis, they were never in cahoots with the fatui. there's a subplot around this point about delusions and the connections to an unknown sourcer but it was info dumped instead so the lack of tension and progress has been skipped, the only real reason why the 2nd archon quest was bad is because it's rushed storytelling, the pacing was way too bad and It didn't let majority of the characters shine. compared to sumeru and Liyue. more on that, the reason why the soldiers managed to reach tenshukaku was because of the help from the yashiro commissions lord Ayato, he's been the one who's kept the fatui in check this entire time because of his hidden scouts, the sangonomiya resistance once again didn't need help fighting to win the war against the tenryou, It was a tactic from the fatui to prolong the war between the raiden gokaden and the watatsumi rebellion before they reach tenshukaku. regardless the main focus of the archon quest was Ei and her idealism that would bring down the people. and she's not even the reason for it. it was the fatui manipulating the raiden shogun. all she agreed was the seizing of visions.

Kokomi is just one example of a mishandled character. I would almost say that most if not all of Genshin's cast is mishandled, whether its when they're first introduced or after they're no longer "plot relative" in which case they get sent to the dungeon unless summoned by a limited time hang out event that tons of players will miss :/

We can't have a female character to be making mistakes. Don't you know Genshin characters can't show any negative traits

​@@ahagotchafurina:let me present myself

​@@massimilianoreali4398Fontaine story is not even close to finishing. We have no idea if they'll do some 180 bs with her, too.

or discarted

I would kinda have to disagree. In order for it to be a behind the scenes operation, Ei wouldn't simply come out and tell us the VHD was conceived by the Fatui. Nor would Signora go to the Hiiragi clan to specifically task them with stopping us from getting off Ritou. Scara said it best, he wasn't the mastermind behind this--the person he was working under was, which in this case was Signora. Now, what wasn't supposed to happen was Scara getting the Gnosis from Miko. That's what foiled her plan. Cause so far, as the only Harbinger actually collecting Gnoses, the safest bet is to go directly to the Archon for it. If Scara told her that he had it, she would've never went to Tenshukaku to talk to the Shogun. Nor would we intercept her meeting and literally get her killed by challenging her to a duel before the throne. Arlecchino wasn't wrong for getting upset that Pantalone and Pulcinella were sittin pretty at home instead of doing dirty work like Signora to achieve the Tsaritsa's goals.

@@MihaeldiAngelo that's why she had to work through the Hiiragi clan. Because she's working behind the scenes.

@@geosustento8894 I gotta disagree. Behind the scenes means you not making appearances, you're pulling the strings. A prime example is when we were going to storm Tenshukaku. Agents were sent to negotiate assistance from Ayato. That's behind the scenes. Scara being a passive observer, "following orders" while the grunts distribute Delusions to the Watatsumi forces and the Tenryou Commission, that's behind the scenes cause she's not the one walking up and doing it. Going to the Kanjou Commissioner (literally one of the three heads of the human leadership under the Archon) and telling him to stop a blonde traveler with a floaty companion from leaving Ritou at all costs, that ain't behind the scenes, that's making a statement to ensure your other plans aren't ruined.

@@MihaeldiAngelo a few things: 1) "behind the scenes" doesn't automatically mean you're not going out. For example, while we haven't seen Ayato before his release, we know from dialogues that he's actively working as the Yashiro commissioner while also working with the rebellion behind the scenes. 2) That's the breach in protocol that I mentioned before. I think what they meant when it was implied that Signora wasn't supposed to be there was that she was not supposed to directly confront Ei. 3) The Kanjou and Tenryou Commissions were both in collusion with the Fatui and are manipulating the Shogun on their behalf. So yes, working with them and making sure the Traveler doesn't leave Ritou IS working behind the scenes.

@@geosustento8894 1. I didn't say not going out. I said pulling the strings, which is exactly what Ayato did. He was doing his job and most likely using the Shuumatsuban to keep in contact with the resistance. The Harbingers are definitely clandestine with diplomatic relations as far as what we've seen. Grunts do their dirty work, just like for Ayato, the Shuumatsuban is his covert network doing his bidding where he can't. That's why I say she isn't behind the scenes, she did it in Liyue. If she actually wanted to throw us off properly, she could've had Scara handle that meeting instead, but she didn't. 2. What exactly are you referring to when it comes to "breaking protocol" cause the only thing close to that was Capitano's comment on her honor being "tarnished" due to her methods. Which I don't fell holds much water. Her meeting the Shogun was not a confrontation. Our interruption turned it into a confrontation. Like if we were removed from the equation, it would've been a simple talk, they showed us that they had no issue with each other. The Shogun reprimanded her for "disciplining an Inazuman" and Signora immediately apologized. 3. I don't disagree with you there. I'm not saying that her plans were bad and not behind the scenes. I'm saying her actions and how she did them, was not behind the scenes. Again, the fatal flaw was not having that conversation with the Kanjou Commissioner either done by a grunt or Scara which would throw us off, or somewhere more private where people not in the conversation couldn't hear. Cause once someone not involved in a secret knows a secret, it's no longer a secret.

Aaaand it's just telling us something we already know about him, so definitely not much.

So you didn't play the game linearly and now you don't understand the story? What a shocker. 😳

I totally agree! And the designs don't have to be superrr insane, just a slightly mire detailed outfit for more relevant NPC'S ykyk. Even Madame Ping, she's literally an adeptus in human form, and we do get to see her beautiful younger self, which is an excellent character design. Would it have been so difficult to just use that, just make her look more ages?

@@Gothic_Corpse yaass literally! I get that Adepti in human form might be trying to blend in, but they could've added a visual hint for the players 😭 Madame Ping deserved better 😤

exactly while they want the adults' money. it's predatory.

Infants 💀

it's an error for mihoyo because adult have money ( in particular chinese)

Idk. I guess it depends on who you speak to. I personally enjoy the story (just wish a few things were done better). Paimon makes me feel like the game was made for young teens, but if she didn’t repeat stuff so often I feel like it wouldn’t feel like our hand was being held the whole time.

"Teens" is a stretch it feels like something made for kids

you're absolutely right about honkai

There's no doubt in my mind that a largely completely different team of people are writing Honkai. There's just no way the team that writes Honkai is doing this bad with Genshin.

@@AnimeSimp234 heard somewhere that they're exchanging the writers of two teams, I expect some qualities from Genshin later on

but at least Kiana has a personality

While I will agree that yes, the manga is incredibly important for having foundation (I can't imagine going into the main game of Honkai Impact 3rd without reading the manga, especially SE and EP) but once you're in the main story itself, the storytelling and stuff that happens within is all very good. Characters are thoroughly explored, the story is emotional, intense, intriguing and thought provoking, etc. When you don't read the manga, you miss out on things like in-depth detail about origins of characters and their motivations, not to mention very important events. But once you've read those, you're good to go for the main game itself, where the story from chapter 5 onwards is consistently incredible, unlike Genshin.

dont belittle mmos like that if you only played crappy eastern mmos

@@ejokurirulezz If you show no respect to these games its hard to take you as an adult. Why not recommend games that do it better instead of shitting on opinions that arent yours.