That’s it, if he’s in the wrong, just say “ok I didn’t realise” then walk off their property, you don’t need to keep going round in circles, he said she said, just get off the land like their asking you to 😂
S38(a): "No person shall without Permission distribute or post leaflets, papers, notices or advertisements, take any photograph or make any drawing, sketch, film, video recording or painting within the Dock Estate (without permission)". So "within" must mean "from within" because they use the same phrase for "diving operations" in S38(b) and it would be difficult to do that from outside! So you have to take off and land from outside the private land of the dock estate. There are not that many other rules. The remainder are about no weapons, fishing, water sports, gambling or unlicensed trading of goods. Seems reasonable.
Not sure I'd agree with your interpretation. If the drone is crossing the boundary line and flying over the estate then one might argue you are now filming or video recording within the estate itself notwithstanding that the person is not within the estate. The drone is being controlled by that person and therefore the drone is an extension of that person for the purposes of that byelaw which the port could argue is being breached. If however, the drone took off outside the Dock Estate and remained outside of it i.e. the drone was taken up vertically to give an overview of the whole dock, I don't think the byelaw would be breached.
As stated the airspace has nothing to do with the bye law.For example there is a restricted area up to 3000 ft over HM Dockyard Plymouth which they applied to the CAA to have implemented because of nuclear submarines in the dockyard because they don’t control the airspace. The ONLY way to stop any aircraft including drones from flying over for any purpose is to apply for a restricted,prohibited or danger area over a portion of land but they don’t hand them out like sweeties as there are international treaties involved in airspace.Prisons,certain airports and other restricted areas would all have had to go through this process.These are all marked on aviation maps apart from temporary restricted areas that only a senior police officer can apply for in the case of a serious incident but they have a time period applied to them specific to that particular incident and are published by NOTAMs which apps like drone assist use to inform pilots.
@@Rob-om4fe Not so, Rob. It's the same with National Trust sites. We can't take off or land on National Trust property but you can fly over. Being "present" on a site is always a "boots-on-the-ground" thing. That's also why they can't trespass you when you fly over private land from a public place. Bear in mind the airspace is also a public space. Anyone can fly through it if they follow the CAA rules.
@@bowman4275 @flyerh @UAVYorkshire Assuming you are correct given that airspace/drone laws are not my forte, why is it that certain port authorities imply that drones cannot be flown without permission and with other conditions like notifying police, harbour master etc.(Port of Tyne) or that you have to adhere to a drone policy or sign an agreement (Peterhead Port Authority). Are you suggesting this is simply all puff and nothing legally enforceable about it save for a test case in court? Playing devil's advocate, does flying a drone at this time of the day at a commercial port amount to a 'congested area' which I understand includes over or within 150m of the congested area and would require permission of the CAA?
The Port PC is correct to note that Section 38 prohibits filming and videoing “within the Dock Estate” but Section 39(d)(ii) allows a defence that you have a “reasonable excuse” which is not defined. A reasonable excuse could therefore be that you did not know about the byelaws. He is wrong to say that he did not need say his camera was recording because “you can clearly see it’s on” so he was therefore covertly recording and in breach of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) 2000.
But if they had permission then they would not be in breach of the byelaws and Section 39(d)(ii) would not apply. It states that “it shall be a defence for the person charged to prove… that he had a reasonable excuse”. The meaning of the term ‘reasonable excuse’ is not defined in legislation, but the excuse is generally considered as one that an ordinary member of the community would accept as reasonable in the circumstances. In this case the ‘reasonable excuse’ would be that they were unaware they had a legal obligation to do something.
Just watched the opening few seconds of this clip and it never ceases to amaze me that suppose intelligent well trained Policemen actually come out with the utter scrap that they do. "You can't take video, section 12345 of the nonsense code of conduct for the historic port of Liverpool. Do these mop and buckets ever stop and listen to the complete cabbage that comes out of their mouths. I doubt it, on to the full clip to see what gems DJE discovers this time.
Pity you missed the main entrance, about a mile north of this location....also...the old Speke airport building [now migrant accommodation] previously done by others..
Byelaws are enforced by the local authority through the magistrates' court and contravening a byelaw can result in a fine upon successful conviction. Byelaws are considered measures of last resort after a local council has tried to address the local issue the byelaw applies to through other means.
they did nothing wrong ? told him he cant film where he was stood which was right, dj then explained why he was there and they understood and told him he can do whatever he wants outside, the best interaction you can ask for
@@michaelmurphy5170 yeah it goes to china. They have their company sight on the other side of the road and a trolley system that transfers the scrap straight onto the dock ready to go.
@@scousenotenglish2819 what a strange world we live in, shipping our scrap right across the planet. Before then though, the sorting of it has got to be done somewhere, but preferably not on our own doorsteps?!
Pleeeese stop saying “yes then the people” at the start of your videos. It’s so cringey!!! Please make your own intro. Copying others is not always best!
Were these Port Of Liverpool police officers ? Rather than Merseyside ? There's something causal about them and that truck isn't the norm for a Home Office force, I guess the quote of port bylaws is a giveaway, if they are port police they're kitted out well 👍🏻
@@leannecawley1787 Used to live in Woodbine street then moved to behind the shakepear pub. Rust, dirt, lorrys banging away on the road all hours of the day and night, and the smells were even worse.
@@scousenotenglish2819 I'm on the irlam Estate right over the road from it. I have the environmental health on speed dial! Pisses me off they bang away even after 11 o'clock. The dust is disgusting!
@@leannecawley1787 A load of us in Kirkdale made a claim in the 90s. We all got over a grand because somewhere on the dock road, something poisonous got out.
@@scousenotenglish2819 it used to be the coal dust that was a problem my sister got compensation for her asthma back in the 90's. Now the coal is replaced with rust dust, no wonder 2 of my 3 boys have asthma. And don't get ne started with the flies its just disgusting.
I always like how you put the cat among the pigeons by telling them that you are going to fly the drone. It makes for a much interesting film when they try to exert there perceived authority over a law abiding member of the public. They need to too get their ducks in a row before someone flames their donkey.
Prohibition of Certain Acts (a) No person shall without Permission distribute or post leaflets, papers, notices or advertisements, take any photograph or make any drawing, sketch, film, video recording or painting within the Dock Estate
@@certificateofvaccinationi.d.19 It depends on where he was stood at the time of flying his drone, hence why he stepped back to the street area to fly it.
There is a smokey old coaster that comes in to pick that scrap up. None of the big company's like people taking photos just in case there are some mistermeaners going on. Is it only company policy they are not real police.
Dude, when they say you can't do it, why don't you say straight away that you can?? Love the videos, and it may be a technique of yours to prolonge the video, but bloody rinse them.
i think its got enough big ships there container ships ect..got to remember theres a ship builder along the river and the cruise ships stopping over there..now they are bloody big..massive
