Anakin & Co. Being Fed Up With Ahsoka For 5 Minutes Straight 

Omg totally, well thats karma for you dear Anakin

On top of cutting off his legs😢

​@@footballer010and arm.

Anakin still gave Obi Wan stress even when he was a knight.

@@msmaria5039and sticking him in lava.

Oh sorry remembered Star Wars fans don’t interact with any girls or women other than their moms

And if you op are a woman, hope you grow out of the internalized misogyny babes cause it’s giving pickme

Yeah this comment section is the worst

Exactly!

Yeah I just read though this comment section and all I gotta say is yikes. Anyways, Ahsoka solos Stan Ahsoka

Yeah it's because she is insufferable throughout the series. It's funny, because she always gets away with it.

plus, in some of those moments where they were annoyed; she was right. Luminara chided her about Barris not being a threat and then got curb stomped. At 2:12 Anakin was annoyed by what she said but she was saying it because he kept interrupting her during her briefing.

@@jeezed2950 In a lot of these moments she gets called on what she's going. The ones where she doesn't, she's actually in the right. Hell, even in the ones where she is in the right she still gets chided.

This person didn't do this for funnies though, comment section is just a reflection of her overall channel, looks like she just spends a lot of video about her dislike on one fictional character, lol

The video was made to show how much of a mary sue Ahsoka is because she always turns out to be right in the end and never learns her lesson.

Ahsoka is the one doing the bullying most of the time lol

What video did you watch?

Bullying? I fail to see how a logical response to Ahsoka's self-centered BS is bullying.

Oh no no no, this title is great. She’s getting exactly what she deserves. But of course, Ahsoka fans can’t accept that she needs to take some accountability, and treat her as their little princess instead.

@@bravestraven4650 The username says a lot about the person.

Unfortunately, Ahsoka's "character arc" is exaggerated. We've got a Character Growth case study here on the channel that delves into that. If you're interested.

@@imyouralibi6208 oh damn you have star wars content, nice! also i don't see how its exaggerated, she starts out lacking a ton of qualities, and through hard work, dedication, and training under the best mentors in the galaxy as well as going through life changing events, she evolves into a much more powerful and responsible person, its how an arc should be but each to their own i guess.

@@TheApothecary Like I said, we did a case study about Character Growth that explains the problems with her "arc". So if you want the details, you can go check it out.

We have to give Rey some leeway, Disney's tomfuckery destroyed her character from the start.

Keeping in time runtime… Rey develops far more in the three films than Ahsoka in the entire show. Neither are good, but comparing film to show characters is a bit unfair.

Actually, I am debating turning this into a series, so your wish might come true 👀😛

@@imyouralibi6208 please let it come through

@@eliefosso7215 Your wish is granted, lol. I've already brainstormed a bunch of ideas for similar videos and settled on which ones I'll be doing.

oh no he speaks the forbidden prequel language

@@imyouralibi6208 god bless you, helped with midterm stress

AYY SHEN! 😁 A legend meets a legend

Glad you enjoyed! :)

A lot of this sounds like headcanon. There's an abundance of evidence showing that Ahsoka doesn't learn from Anakin. Don't believe me? My sister has a whole series titled "Ahsoka's Growth" where, in addition to showing the character doesn't undergo any sort of growth, she clearly establishes the fact that Ahsoka *does not* learn from Anakin. You really think the citizens of Coruscant were perfectly safe?? You have got to be kidding. And no, the Chancellor had not been kidnapped at that point. Shaak Ti was still fighting Grievous at the time; Obi-Wan even said as much. Yeah, Ahsoka offered Maul help and then immediately threw a hissy fit when he threatened Anakin, which was utterly stupid because she knew full well that Anakin was in no immediate danger from Maul, but she happily threw away a chance to beat Sidious anyway. Goes to show that she didn't learn the "don't lose a thousand lives to save one" lesson that Aayla tried to teach her back in Season 1 🙄 Furthermore, she doesn't even pass on the information Maul told her to the Council, so really she was just enabling Sidious to enact Order 66. Yeah, she's a real hero, isn't she? Mace owed her nothing. Maul was never a priority for them. And Mandalore was a neutral planet; but Ahsoka thought it would be cool to break 100-year-old peace treaties so she could help put a terrorist in power. Real classy. And Ahsoka was very much being the disrespectful one. She kept insisting she was acting as a citizen, but somehow thought she was entitled to sensitive info?? Yeah, right.

@@imyouralibi6208 Maybe I'm not understanding what we both mean by "learning from Anakin". I'm saying that she learns the wrong lessons from Anakin, and it actively works against what she should be learning; they reinforce each other's bad habits, and that's why they don't grow and improve in the ways that they should. And I thought that was the point. The second thing, I never said the people on Coruscant were safe, I'm saying that despite the attack on Coruscant (and the problems on Mandalore) the only thing Anakin, Obi-Wan, and the council seem to care about is whether the chancellor is safe. Let's go through the scene: "No it's Coruscant. Grevious has attacked the capitol." "What about the Chancellor?" "Shaak Ti has been sent to protect him..." (clearly Anakin's concern is the chancellor) "Not to worry. Our fleet can be there within the hour." Tell me, in that conversation, do the Jedi care about the people on Coruscant, or the Chancellor? Ahsoka doesn't think they care about the people, and neither do I: "I can see that as usual you're playing politics..." Yet Obi-Wan's retort is that "Right now, the people on Coruscant need us". They probably do, but that certainly wasn't what they were concerned with a few seconds ago, and it's not what they end up going to Coruscant for either, suprise suprise. So Ahsoka says "No. the Chancellor needs you", because that's the only thing they were worried about a second ago. Next thing, I know she didn't learn that lesson from Aayla, because she learned tje opposite from Anakin; she became attached to people in the same way that Anakin is overly attached to people. Anakin betrays everyone and everything to try to save one person, the exact opposite of Aayla's lesson. And Ahsoka can't see past her attachment to Anakin to do what needs to be done to stop Sidious. Again that was my first point; she learns the wrong lessons because her master is Anakin. Next thing, when did I say she's the hero? Nobody's the hero, everyone's flaws prevent anyone from stopping Sidious. I simply said that she's not in the wrong for asking about Mace's comment on the chancellor; she is allowed to ask that, and it's a good question, because if Mace answered, then she might be able to connect the dots and realise that Palpatine is Sidious. But Mace doesn't want to tell her anything, and she understands. I think the combination of not being told that the council is suspicious of the chancellor, her not trusting the council, and her attachment to Anakin is what stops her from telling them what Maul said. And I find it crazy that people think it would be best to leave Maul in charge of Mandalore. He just wanted to use Mandalore as a way to get to Kenobi and then Anakin. I don't even think Bo Katan had any bad intentions at that point; she seemed to want Mandalore to be free from being puppeted by Maul. And I would have thought that the jedi council would be interested in getting Maul because of his knowledge of the sith, and because of his numerous crimes up to that point, with the potential to cause much bigger problems.

@@stanleydodds9 My bad. I misunderstood you. Even so, Ahsoka still doesn't learn from Anakin given that her personality was already set from the moment she debuted. It makes perfect sense for Anakin to be more worried about the Chancellor given how close they are, but that doesn't prove that Obi-Wan felt the same way. In fact, given Obi-Wan's personality, the opposite is more likely to be true. And Ahsoka's claim that they're playing politics *as usual* is absurd given no such thing was established before. Yes, the Season 5 finale tried to set things up that way but ultimately failed since the council was perfectly justified in expelling Ahsoka given how much evidence she had piled against herself and how uncooperative she was during her trial. Again, a citizen is not entitled to sensitive info. Obviously, it wouldn't be good to leave Maul in charge, but handing the reins over to a terrorist is no better. I wish we could've seen more of the people's perspective, but S5 treated the general population of Mandalore like a hive mind. Ultimately though, there were no indications that the people were unhappy under Maul's rule. Actually, I think the opposite was implied. But I can't say for certain without revisiting those episodes.

@@m.e.3251 I'm confused. She's standing right there when Anakin and Obi-wan are having that conversation. Are we talking about the same thing?

@@stanleydodds9 Ah. Just looked it up. Yes, I got confused and was thinking the scene you mentioned took place elsewhere. I should have double-checked that we were referring to the same moment. My bad.

It's an interesting character idea but unfortunately that's just not what Ahsoka was. From what TCW actually showed, Ahsoka was largely lacking in the moral department, often doing whatever she wanted or whatever she felt would make her look good regardless of what effect it had on others.

I mean, that was Anakin throughout the entire clone wars as well. He really didn't follow orders either

Chaotic good pain in the ass characters like Ashoka and Anakin can be entertaining, edpecially when paired with sassy lawfull good characters like Obiwan.

@@lapplandkun9273 Well you see, the difference between Anakin and Ahsoka is that she's a girl and we all know that's basically the worst thing a character can be.

Exactly!

Honestly I love ahsoka but I would not want a child leading me into battle I be like im gonna die 😂

Haha, thanks for the suggestions! A compilation of war crimes would definitely be a good one, though I don't know if I'm knowledgeable enough to pull it off 😅

@@imyouralibi6208 You could legit just do Anakin doing warcrimes and Ashoka witnessing it

Ahsoka’s involvement in the war is a warcrime. Unless the republic sees 14yo girls as adults. I know chandrilla is similar since Mon Mothma got married at 16

@@lazarustheatv8389 Lol, good point 👆 Also, married at sixteen?!? BRUH

@@imyouralibi6208 This is in a Galaxy far far away... Remember that in the 1970s people got married at 14, no one complained about it then. In all fiction logic, it kinda makes sense 😳

Massive W I hope I get an Ahsoka friend one day

Honestly, I'd take Rafa and Trace over Ahsoka. The fact that she's a teenager doesn't excuse her at all. She acts like a straight up sociopath at times. And she *definitely* doesn't grow.

i find rafa and trace the same level of annoying but unfortunaly one of the three is there for the entire Series and takes away Screentime from the actual war

Rafa and Trace are more stupid than annoying.

@@eeveeofalltrades4780 I guess they're pretty much both, cause they are fucking annoying as hell. I hope NEVER to see them again.

Ehh, she wasn't that much better. She ignored the plight of the villagers and broke her promise to Din.

Master Windu didn't agree with Citizen Ahsoka.

Another reason Anakin never had a padawan. He wasn't promoted to knighthood until later in the war. But filoni had to change that for, reasons.

@@jeezed2950 No. Lucas was the one who created the idea of Ahsoka and gave her to Anakin during the clone wars years, dave was originally thought she was gonna be Obi-Wan's second apprentice or a whole new character with a different storyline. No one cares about your personal dislike about a fictional character but what is canon is canon, you can do some research instead of blaming Dave about this part of the lore.

​@@basak9746You must be illiterate ☠️ He NEVER said Filoni was wrong to give Anakin a Padawan, he said it was wrong to promote Anakin to Jedi Knight right before the war. Filoni changed that. Two completely different topics.

​@@basak9746 but dave made ahsoka a mary sue and a trash character, it's his wet dream, also the clones dog inhibitor chip

Lol. 😆

haha he never did xD that's why Yoda decided to give Anakin Ahsoka to grow mature and learn some responsibility xD

@@cryalot378 Doesn't make much sense

@@lukescrew1981 What are you refering to? To my phraseology or why did Anakin have a padawan?

@@cryalot378 Second

@@lukescrew1981 I see, not really for me to answer that one lol xD

Glad you enjoyed! And no, I don't like her, lol.

@@imyouralibi6208 it’s treason then

@@atomicdeath76 Why would it be treason?

@@FMK03 Because Ahsoka's got great character development, she goes from an annoying obnoxious brat to a proud leader of the Grand Army of the Republic, and the only reason she left the Order is because of their hypocrisy. She planned to return after the war, but then the Jedi Order was destroyed during protocol 66. She then fought Darth Vader, and LOST, proving even as a skilled warrior (unlike her Padawan days) She still can lose. Only reason she's still alive is due to time travel.

@@ECSOrder66 No, she doesn't. Their series which focuses on ahsoka and Carolus Magnus' video "How Ahsoka's Overrated prove otherwise.

😉

Would it have been better if he just let everyone onboard that ship just die? 🤨 This comparison really doesn't work at all, especially since Anakin's reasons for breaking protocol are generally shown to be *vastly* different from Ahsoka's.

Yeah, unfortunately, the characters' constant simping over Ahsoka grows worse as the show goes on. Rafa is really the only exception to that since she rightfully didn't trust Ahsoka for the majority of their time onscreen together, but of course the writers had to turn her into a simp too 🙄

@@imyouralibi6208 wow. i honestly did really notice that. ahsoka is one of my liked charters. but i can really see what you are saying. honestl tho her first few season she was extremly anoying

@@LVanOosten9816 She was annoying to me for *all* the seasons, lol. And it doesn't help that Filoni insists on putting her in everything nowadays.

@@imyouralibi6208 yep. im laughing. it so true

@@imyouralibi6208 honestly, if it was 'revealed' that she was on the Falcon at the Battle of Endor and SHE was the one who fired the torpedoes that destroyed the core, I 100% wouldn't be shocked. I mean, they shoe-horned her into Padme's funeral, for f#cks sake! Why not everywhere else?!

She was awful all the way through imo, but her worst moment for me was the citadel arc in season 3. Absolute bitch.

Yeah, I used to like Ahsoka too. I will say that given how she was raised from the age of 3 by a strict order of monks who value emotional detachment, clear thinking, respect for authority, etc., I think it's fair to say her emotionally rash and disrespectful behaviour don't really make that much sense. But yes, I absolutely agree that her choices in S7 were rather ridiculous, and to an extent leave her with some blame for all the Jedi lives lost. I really don't know what Filoni was thinking when he wrote that.

​@imyouralibi6208 writing the plot which ahsoka left the jedi order seemed like a hero arc when you consider how they treated anakin in the first place.obi-wan is my favorite character and really hurt me when ahsoka talked to him like that.

She very much did *not* grow as a character 😂

@@imyouralibi6208 She went from an annoying brat to a proud leader of the Grand Army of the Republic, how did she not grow as a character?

@@ECSOrder66 Do you really want an answer to that? Cuz I could suggest a whole series to you that breaks down how she doesn't grow, but if you're not interesting in watching it, then there's not much point in having a discussion about it.

@@imyouralibi6208 I'll watch it! 😁 Just make sure it's not biased. Excited to see!

@@ECSOrder66 It's right here on our channel. The "Character Growth" case study. We approach the content through an objective lens, showing what the writers actually gave us in terms of Ahsoka's behaviour and explaining some of their pitfalls, as well as some of their tricks that led to her popularity.

Dude, Ahsoka kept insisting she wasn't a Jedi anymore. Even if Aayla wasn't on the council, at least she was a part of the Order, and it would've made a lot more sense for her to be in the loop than some ex-padawan. Also, Obi-Wan wasn't playing politics. At that point, he couldn't have known that he and Anakin would be the ones sent to rescue Palpatine, given that when they received the summons to Coruscant, Palps hadn't even been captured yet and Shaak Ti was the one protecting him. It was an utterly ludicrous thing for Ahsoka to even suggest.

@@imyouralibi6208 My issue is Mace didn't say the Jedi Order needed to discuss the matter, he said the council, and yet decided to let Aayla stay because he's playing favorites 😳 I'm not sure how you don't notice that rescuing the Chancellor FIRST over the people that are ACTUALLY in trouble is playing politics. I'll quote Ahsoka here. "I understand, that as usual, you're playing politics, and this is why people lost faith in the Jedi, and I had too. Til I was reminded what the Order means to people that TRULY need us." Obi-Wan then says that the people of Coruscant need them, but that's not true. What would you do if you were a Jedi? Help the people that are in danger, or help the Chancellor that isn't in danger?

@@imyouralibi6208 By that, I mean. He was only kidnapped, they weren't going to execute him, however Maul made it clear he'll kill anyone that isn't with him, (which is almost all of Mandalore)

@@ECSOrder66 We don't know whether or not he actually allowed Aayla to stay after ending the conversation with Ahsoka, so we can't say anything definitively. Also, as I already explained, it wouldn't be "playing favorites" because Aayla is a part of the Order and Ahsoka is just a regular citizen. In the case of protecting the Chancellor rather than the people, again, nothing definitive can be said. But out of the tens of thousands of Jedi around at the time, do you really think *no one* was deployed to protect the general population?? I highly doubt it. We know only three Jedi were protecting Palpatine, and that Anakin and Obi-Wan were the only ones sent to rescue him afterward. You think the other thousands of Jedi just sat around twiddling their thumbs in that time? Again, I highly doubt it. And even if their efforts were employed elsewhere, don't forget about the entire Grand Republic army.

@@imyouralibi6208 "You think the other thousands of people just sat around twiddling their thumbs?" Yes. That's how hypocritical Jedi are in the prequels. A terrorist killer bounty hunter is on the loose, and NO ONE went to help Obi-Wan to capture him! They just sat around waiting for the answer of what to do from the Senate, instead of acting independently. Heck, even Yaddle saw the corruption of the Jedi, and stepped down from the Order, like Ahsoka.

Maybe you were pausing to read the text bc that’s what I was doing lol

Glad you enjoyed! 🥰

She has a character ark

@@joeburns8054 Err, that's a common misconception. The writers used a lot of tricks to make it *look* like she grew when in reality she didn't. The only real change in her character is that she's more self-righteous by the end of the show.

@@imyouralibi6208 dumbest shit I think I’ve ever heard lowkey

​@@joeburns8054Not really. She always behaves like a little bitch, and she was raised in the jedi temple, where you know, virtue, respect, and compassion are the highest calling in life. She's only nice when she feels better than people around her, and this never changes throughout the series.

Don't you mean Saesee Tiin?

Welcome! Make yourself at home, lol

Sassy? Ahsoka isn't sassy. She's just disrespectful and obscenely stupid.

Amen!! 👏

she's a literal child in this video my guy, chill.

@@pinkkkkkkkkk Yeah, well, nobody said anything of the sort with Anakin in AOTC.

@@FMK03 he's 19 in that, most of this video she's 15, oldest she was is 17, 17 and 19 are very different. Plus, Anakin still had moments of recklessness and disobeyed Obi Wan, he broke the Jedi code by getting married behind obi was back, and when he was an adult (22) he got her PREGNANT 😭😭 I really don't know why people don't be saying the same for AOTC Anakin tbh

@@pinkkkkkkkkk Shut up

Oof

Oh, you haven't seen Season 7?

Lol 😂

And brain

@@Lynette_for_reason Accurate 👆🤣

I've seen a couple videos that use AI to recite TCW Anakin's lines in Hayden's voice. Unfortunately there's no intonation to it, so the performance aspect is completely lacking, but otherwise it does make Anakin sound more like, well, Anakin. So it's kind of interesting to watch.

It's "Mr. Blue Sky" by Electric Light Orchestra.

Don't dew it. It's a cursed nickname.

Yeah no you clearly don't know what you're talking about but I hope you're joking.

@@whoami4352 I saw the original film with Ahsoka in it in theaters as a kid when it came out and even then I thought Anakin having a Padawan was dumb. In relation to my original comment Ahsoka's behavior doesn't really get better throughout the show as she displays the same behavior and the worst of it is in season 7. I especially didn't like how she treated Anakin coming back and she and Bo-Katan were really unlikable. Obi-Wan and Anakin initially turn her down which causes them to start acting up with Bo-Katan bringing up Satine's death. Ahsoka refutes all logical thinking and despite growing up on Coruscant and spending a lot of time there, says that the people of the planet don't need them the Chancellor does. The planet being under attack kinda does mean the people need them and the potential of the Chancellor being killed or captured is a big deal, especially considering what happens which makes Ahsoka look like an idiot. And her saying she's not trying to be fair to Obi-Wan doesn't help. Also I'd prefer if you didn't tell Alibi she deserves to get shot on live television. That's not cool.

@@TheNuisanceBird idc about her or her trash opinions on the show nor yours. Her character development was crazy good idk why we have a few people like y'all who don't like her or the show. This yt will get nowhere in life or especially on this platform so I rest my case. There's more people who agree with me that the show is great and people have legit clowned her on other channels hopefully it makes her realize her life means nothing and considers the following..... 😂😂😂

@@whoami4352 I mean you went through the comments section so it does seem like you care. Not addressing points and throwing childish insults won't get you anywhere on this platform. Just because you have more people that agree with you doesn't mean you're right. It used to be common belief that the Earth was flat and look how that turned out. What channels have clowned her? Saying her life means nothing over the internet doesn't make you look good at all.

still love her though lol

I'm assuming you're referring to The Clone Wars as your favorite series? Yeah, Season 7 was definitely a letdown. I mean, the show wasn't great to begin with but somehow Season 7 managed to hit an all new low. Like, where was the Crystal Crisis episode? Where were the bounty hunters? Why didn't Maul or Ventress have their arcs completed within the series? Instead, all we got was crappy filler with mostly uninteresting characters. And the writers had the audacity to act like Bo-Katan was a hero?? Oh, and I almost forgot about how the stupid Mandalore arc retcons the Ahsoka novel. What a trainwreck 🤦‍♀

@@imyouralibi6208 you have a trash opinion and I assume your life is just as bad. The show was great and season 7 was too. Those other things that should have been episodes was only not episodes because of Disney buying out SW. They didn't have anything about the CW for a whole 6 years ... Blame Disney and stop sharing your trash takes

@@whoami4352 LMAO!! Someone's salty 😏

@@imyouralibi6208 Right?! 😏

Ahsoka's not just any teenager though. She's a character with a specific backstory that should influence her characterization, but it doesn't. Someone raised by the Jedi from the age of 3 shouldn't be a disrespectful, self-absorbed, bratty teen. (Also, you must have a pretty low opinion of irl teens if you think that Ahsoka is an accurate representation of them.)

@@imyouralibi6208 She was in the clone wars movie when she got snippy with Anakin. And in the earlier seasons too

@@supernova7567 This doesn't counter what I already said. Ahsoka was raised by the Jedi for 11 years before she ever met Anakin; she should behave accordingly - with respect, humility, and maturity.

@@circusclown1503 Exactly

@@imyouralibi6208 Sorry, but I have to disagree. Being raised with certain values doesn’t automatically make the child embody those traits as they grow older. Qui-Gon Jinn is a perfect example of this. So is Obi-Wan, actually, and Quinlan Vos. These Jedi are unconventional, rebellious, and occasionally disrespectful to their superiors. In addition, it is NORMAL for teenagers to be bratty and self-centered. During a time of rapidly fluctuating hormones and frequent change, focusing on oneself actually helps develop a sense of individuality and self-expression. And since the Jedi are not a cult, it would only make sense that they would actually encourage younglings like Ahsoka to express herself this way (even in a disrespectful and admittedly annoying manner) while also teaching her proper etiquette. Ahsoka is a teenager fighting a war and leading THOUSANDS of men. It only makes sense that in times of tension and high-stress, she resorts to quips and one-liners. If I ever see a teenager who is perfectly behaved, I’d be concerned.

Lmao! Excellent point 👍😂

I doubt Filoni will ever let it end. Given he's brought her back to life three whole times now and also vehemently pushed back against the idea that she was dead by the time of The Rise of Skywalker, I'm fully expecting to see him turn Ahsoka into some immortal force goddess.

An entitled brat who doesn't belong in Star Wars, lol.

@@imyouralibi6208 Sounds like something to avoid then. I don't even know if she's in a movie. I've only seen the original trilogy, Phantom Menace, Revenge of the Sith, Rogue One and The Force Awakens (which might've finished off my positive view of the series if Rogue One hadn't been so great). None of the shows because just....no..

@@davidsavage5630 She's in The Clone Wars movie, even though it's technically not a movie; it's just four twenty-minute episodes shoved together. Most fans will insist she's the best thing that ever happened but she's easily one of the worst. And yeah, it'd be a good idea to steer clear of the shows since she's being shoved into all of them. The only one I'd bother recommending is The Mandalorian, but I expect Season 3 will be a flop, so it might not even be worth it. Legends has a lot of great material though! There's a wealth of comics, plus the 2D Clone Wars show which you can find right here on RU-vid. If you're looking to get more into good Star Wars, the RoTS novelization and Labyrinth of Evil come highly recommended. Then there's the Clone Wars multi-media project and the Knights of the Old Republic era which are really good. And I'm currently reading through a comic series called Dawn of the Jedi which I'm finding fascinating. Oh! And Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy (Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, The Last Command) is a must read 👌

@@imyouralibi6208 Thanks for the info and all the detailed recommendations. I did see the Luke scene from The Mandalorian on RU-vid and that WAS pretty cool. But it made me wonder why a five minute scene was all anyone would talk about out of an entire season of television. Maybe it's just because it's Luke....which is understandable. I actually considered putting forth the actual effort to watch Obi-Wan Kenobi because it's wedged directly between three SW films I like. But a friend showed me a scene of a little girl being chased through the woods from one of the episodes and it was one of the silliest, cheapest, worst looking things I've ever seen. I thought he was joking. Like, the scene was from a parody or something. Or something someone made in their backyard for some reason. But no...that scene was ACTUALLY in the show. I couldn't believe my eyes..

@@davidsavage5630 Oh, yeah, that chase scene was HORRIBLE 😂 And the rest of the show is just as bad. I would genuinely rank it as one of the worst Disney SW shows so far, and that's saying a lot. Everyone seems to be praising Andor now, and while it definitely has its moments, it tends to drag overall.

Acting like an IRL teenager doesn't make any sense for the character given she was raised within a very strict organization from the age of three and these traits would've been trained out of her long ago or else she reasonably would've been kicked out of the Order.

@imyouralibi6208 well I would agree if Anakin weren't exactly the same same at that age

@@JesusPerez-qb3hg Anakin is a unique case because he was already 9-years-old when he was brought into the Order (specifically stated to be "too old" to join) so he'd already formed attachments and behavioral patterns. Also, he was not "exactly the same." I've read comics of Anakin in his teens and he was quite respectful.

"Polite" is not at all a word I would use to describe Ahsoka. "Entitled brat" feels much more fitting, honestly.

Lol, Ahsoka didn't grow or mature. At all.

Nah. She would've handled Ventress fine if the writers hadn't nerfed her.

@@imyouralibi6208 No, the point of the episode is never ignore your instincts. Adults aren't always right you know.

@@erinmccutcheon3751 Yeah, I know. But logic dictates that Ahsoka's involvement would not have made as significant a difference as it did. All the writers did was nerf Luminara in order to prop up Miss Mary Sue Ahsoka.

@@erinmccutcheon3751 Ahsoka is Filoni's pet, plain and simple. At the time most of this show came out, the EU was canon, and I know for a fact that episode was. Anybody who knew anything about Luminara Unduli at the time this episode released knew she could handle Ventress, especially if her padawan was there, which is never explained in the episode as to why she was replaced with Ahsoka in the first place. It's almost as if the writers wanted more screen- time for her, and wanted to show how amazing she is as well.

@@wwmandalore Luminara has her faults. All the Jedi did. They refused to change their ways and that's what led to them almost being wiped out by the Sith. Ahsoka realised this early that the Jedi lost their way and that's why she was able to stay alive. Barris realised this before Ahsoka did, but went down the dark path and became a terrorist while Ahsoka did it in a positive way and was still a protector.

I disagree that Plo Koon was a good influence for Ahsoka. His character had so little presence in the series that he didn't really have any noticeable influence on her at all. She certainly seemed to have more respect for him than anyone else (makes me wonder why she wasn't Plo's padawan instead) but that doesn't really qualify as "influence" since he's not actually causing any sort of change in her general behavior. Yeah, it's unfortunate that Ahsoka's character really lacks any sort of progression. What you're suggesting definitely sounds like a negative arc, which would've been interesting to see, assuming there would've been realistic consequences to her worsening behavior. Hmm, honestly, the "I am too good for this" snobbish attitude is *exactly* the vibe I get from Ahsoka. Where would you say she learns that her disrespectful behavior was wrong? Because in Season 7, she's still pretty disrespectful. She was very rude to Obi-Wan, outright admitting that she wasn't trying to be fair to him. So it makes it seem like Ahsoka didn't really learn anything over the course of the series.

@@imyouralibi6208 I think the main reason is she would be a great foil to Anakin. A jedi master like Plo koon is not to strict. And a lot of funny chracters happends to came from chracters like him. Like Raphael and Mikey from tmnt 2003. Splinter in Tmnt 2003 is very identicall to Plo koon. What ı am suggesting is she should start as closed up. Than opened up,getting more disrespectfull due to do underestimating her eneimes. Than realizing she is wrong. Yeah,basically negative arc. Well,because context is completly diffrent for s7. She did toned her sassy attude down in later seasons. And its just played as jokes instead,nofthing to serious. But s7 is happends after her false accusation. This alongside Obiwan basically asking her to say "Jedi concial is right about Palpatine". I mwan you kinda understand where she is coming from. What she said to Anakin was really disrespectfull. But thats was the intention. Since she later regret everything in the sequall show rebels. I also agree. Ahsokas arc is way to overrated. But so does Anakin and Obiwan.

@@Vilgax00 A foil is a character with a contrasting personality to the character in question, so that doesn't really describe Ahsoka. In fact, it's quite the opposite. She's basically a mini Anakin, though I'd argue she's even worse than he is in many regards. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with TMNT 😅 Does Obi-Wan even really have an arc tho? I'd consider him a pretty static character 🤔 Anyway, why do you consider Anakin's arc overrated?

@@imyouralibi6208 Yeah,thats the whole point. Anakin now have to deall with mini version of himself. I know its not familiar with Tmnt. I meant the dynamic. Plo koon is really similar to Splinter in this regard. So its not hard to see why Ahsoka acts like that. Static characters also do have arcs. For Obiwans case,it was Maul. And Satines death. For Anakin,its his negative arc,his fall to the dark side. Where they put small hints and slowly making him more unhinged the more contenues. Thats way to overrated. I am saying this,because characters like Obiwan had similar arcs(suffered similarly). And we never saw them fall to the dark side. İts just weird. We also learned that Anakin(Vader) follows Palpatine because of desperation,not affection in Son arc. Which makes big chunk of Palpatines manuplation in other media pointless. Since he was basically Uncle Ben(ironic) to Anakin. Evil Uncle Ben,but you get the memo.

@@Vilgax00 A static character is a character who doesn't change from beginning to end. A character with an arc is a character who undergoes a change over the course of the story. So the two can't be synonymous. And I don't see how Maul or Satine caused any significant change in Obi-Wan's character. Anakin had a vastly different upbringing from Obi-Wan, which caused him to be emotionally unstable, so that's why it made sense for Anakin to turn to the dark side but not Obi-Wan even though they both suffered through a lot. And I wouldn't say Palpatine's manipulation was pointless. If not for the attachment and trust he built up between himself and Anakin, I don't think Anakin would've ever taken the chance to hear out his offer to save Padme, he would've just killed Palpatine the moment he discovered he was a Sith.

S3E10: Heroes On Both Sides

@@imyouralibi6208 thank you so much

Yeah, given how petty she is coupled with the fact that she leans *heavily* on the dark side, I'm also surprised we didn't get that outcome.

@@imyouralibi6208 This is why fanficiton exists

@@dangerdean9066 Very true, lol 👌

Ain't no way this kid said misogyny about literal writers who know what they are doing 💀

You're kinda wrong

How is it misogny just to dislike a character? Because she's a girl? In that case, is it misognist to dislike *any* female character?

@@auditect950 ''How is it misogyny just to dislike a character'' the point is if you dislike a fictional characters that's fine, and you would stay away the content that character was in, not talk about it, and would not acknowladge it at all (Like I'm doing it with Rey and all the sequel characters). Creating a whole channel and a lot of video just to spit on some character and its fans is obsessively weird and problematic. That's why people call star wars fans as toxic as hell.

@@basak9746 I do think they have a right to be critical, plus, they didn't create this whole channel just to spit on Ahsoka, they had it before they even watched the show. I don't see much attack on Ahsoka fans really, other than defences from toxic Ahsoka fans.

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but if you're referring to the Shia LeBeouf clip, the scene I'm having him respond to is from S2E6: Weapons Factory.

I wouldn't be surprised if she did, just not in the way the writers intended. #mostannoyingpadawan 😂

It’s a harmless meme video though?

"to be so close to being good is the worst" So true! That's part of what bugs us the most about TCW. Every so often, there are genuinely good moments, and then it just gets immediately buried under all the other crap. And S7 was an opportunity to put the series into more capable hands than Filoni's and *actually* turn out a good product but it was completely wasted because Disney is a one-trick pony that banks entirely on crummy nostalgia-baiting. I wouldn't be surprised if Filoni paved the way for Disney, since I see so much of the writing mistakes in TCW reflected in the sequels. The Mandalorian is one of the few Disney Star Wars shows that I'd actually recommend to people, though BoBF completely undermined the S2 finale and crippled any potential for S3. The idea that Andor could save Star Wars is absurd. The series is mostly mediocre. "The Expanded Universe, or Legends as it's called today, is the true canon" Amen to that! 👏 "you have earned a sub and I hope your channel grows; you deserve it" Thank you so much! I'm glad to have your support 🥰

@@imyouralibi6208 Yeah, even if Disney was to get someone else besides Filoni to do season 7 of TCW it would still be meh because Disney would just hire another inept writer, or a worse writer, to fill in. As you said, Disney relies on that nastolgia to make up for their complete lack of creativity; I mean look at The Force Awakens, it's basically a watered-down version of A New Hope. If you need other examples just look at all the horrible live-action remakes they pumped out. Disney buys up intellectual property to milk it for all its worth because they have nothing to create. Being creative and taking chances takes too much time and hard work. Disney wants that money and that's it, and it will even cater to politics to get more money. I like how BoBF completely sidelined Boba and focused on Mando for no reason. Like damn Mando already has a show, I wanna see Boba Fett. All Disney had to do was make an accurate movie adaptation of the Thrawn Trilogy (Heir to the Empire). The hard work was already done for them. If the EU was respected it would've benefited the fans, Disney, and Star Wars as a whole. But knowing Disney, that adaptation would've been watered-down regardless. Now I'm hearing talk of the next animated show called "Jedi Chronicles." I kinda want to watch it to see Dooku, but at the same time why bother? My cynicism for Star Wars has been boiling down to the acceptance of the fact that SW is just a corpse being flailed around by the greedy and boring. If you haven't already, I hope you find great success as a writer. God knows we have a shortage of good and passionate writers in places that matter.

@@sponge5196 "Disney would just hire another inept writer, or a worse writer, to fill in" Unfortunate yet true... 😕 I heard Boba Fett in BoBF wasn't even remotely the same character he was originally. He was essentially reduced to a yes man who just did whatever other people told him and proved to be utterly spineless. I'm not a Boba Fett fan myself but I'm sure a lot of Fett fans were miffed over such an insulting portrayal. "All Disney had to do was make an accurate movie adaptation of the Thrawn Trilogy (Heir to the Empire). The hard work was already done for them" Exactly!! They literally had no excuse. By decanonizing Legends and only cherry-picking from it, they've done nothing but shoot themselves in the foot and lose out on a ton of money. The only explanation I can think of is that their ego wouldn't allow them pay respect to other people's work. It's disgusting. "I kinda want to watch it to see Dooku, but at the same time why bother?" This is pretty much how I feel with every Star Wars project nowadays. I know it's going to be bad but my curiosity continually gets the better of me. I look forward to the day when I can move on from Star Wars. Whether or not that happens before Disney *finally* decides to stop beating a dead horse is yet to be seen. "I hope you find great success as a writer" Thank you. I hope so too 🙂💕

Cringe yall hate cause u can never be it

@@TisDansk What can they never be? Bad writers who can rarely write good characters and stories?

I'm pretty sure you don't speak for all 14-year-olds, bro. I was very shy and subdued at that age. It has a lot to do with personality/upbringing. And considering how Ahsoka was raised, this should absolutely not be how she behaves on a regular basis.

yeah i definitely agree and i think it’s mainly my personality but i try to keep myself in check most of the time

Honestly, Anakin and Ahsoka's reasons for bending/breaking rules are *vastly* different. Anakin most often does it to help others: 1. Breaking protocol to go search for and rescue Plo Koon or R2. 2. Breaking the Jedi Code in his interrogation of Poggle in order to save the lives of Ahsoka, Barriss, and the clones in Brain Invaders. 3. Using backdoor methods to get the Onderon rebels the equipment they need in order to successfully counter the Separatist forces. Etcetera. While Ahsoka almost always breaks the rules for selfish reasons: 1. Ignoring direct orders and getting thousands killed in Storm Over Ryloth because she arrogantly believed she could handle the Separatist reinforcements. 2. Repeating the same mistake at the beginning of Holocron Heist and having to be dragged away kicking and screaming from the battlefield before she gets her men killed again (not to mention, afterward she explicitly admitted that the reason she ignored orders is because she was SO caught up in her OWN victory). 3. Ignoring direct orders (again) and endangering an important mission in the Citadel arc for the sake of bragging rights (and brag she does, going on about how amazing she is and how she can totally handle herself and blah blah blah 🙄). And the list goes on. Long story short, Anakin is a hero with a dark side. But Ahsoka is a genuinely awful person in every way imaginable. They are not the same.

I assume you believe that this video is proof that Ahsoka is not a Mary Sue. Why? Because she’s disobedient and annoys people, which are character flaws? Some of these clips are antagonists, and annoying/disobeying an antagonist doesn’t count as a character flaw. Also, in context, many of these scenarios end with Ahsoka being easily forgiven despite showing no remorse for her behaviour. Again, that makes her character flaws meaningless. Not to mention that Ahsoka appears in over 20 hours of content, but I was able to scrape together just 5 minutes of her being called out for her bad behaviour. Mostly just in the first seasons, after which her behaviour doesn’t change but rather the other characters’ reactions change. That pretty clearly indicates a Mary Sue. But thank you for the comment. It helps the algorithm.

@@imyouralibi6208 exaclty, you just said it yourself, “BAD behavior” this quite loterally means that they arent perfect…

@@PatoChu If a character flaw has no consequences, it's meaningless. Therefore the character is still, in essence, flawless. Literature Devil explains this in his video "Can Mary Sues Have Flaws". I suggest you check it out.

@@imyouralibi6208 no consequences? M8 did u even watch the clone wars??? Ahsoka quite literally got banned from the Jedi order, sure it wasnt her fault, but if she was a Mary Sue, this wouldve never ever happened

@@PatoChu "did u even watch the clone wars???" We have an entire reaction series to the show here on this channel. Coincidentally, we're currently uploading the S5 finale episodes. As you pointed out, Ahsoka is framed as a victim throughout that arc. The narrative is completely supporting her atrocious behaviour there as well. That's not "consequences". You're trying to argue about writing principles you clearly do not understand. Just stop.