Analysis of Therapist Deposition in Johnny Depp / Amber Heard Legal Battle 

Well said.

Very true. Most people go for superficial things such as looks or money, or are scared to be alone etc. Too bad the deeper, harder to see, qualities aren't taken into acct or discovered.

Zena - As always fine comment! Incels always seem to me to try for the wrong women and then are so surprised and hurt not to have the relationship work out! Surface beauty and shallowness (although not always together) do not constitute the important traits in a person!

@@bthomson Agreed. They go for the pretty girl or handsome guy but put up with bad behaviors, then stay to fix or justify their behaviors, and yes act surprised when it goes south. Thanks for your comment to me, appreciated. Happy Easter tomorrow 🐰🦋🌹ps what do you mean by incels lol? Actors?

So glad someone else said this. It's hard for me to find sympathy for him. What did he expect when he leave a good woman (who he refused to marry) and then immediately marry someone half his age that he clearly didn't know much about?

Psychopaths often project their own behavior on others.

@@rhondasisco-cleveland2665 Psychopathy is thrown out loosely. Are you a psychologist/psychiatrist? I doubt it. No professional therapist would throw out a comment such as yours. It’s reckless and irresponsible.

@@Nira39 lots of people will suffer because of the comment. A lot of lives will be lost, very irresponsible.

@@Nira39 when did this woman claim to be a Dr?? Looks who's projecting, now. Calm down, woke person. Psychopathic behavior usually comes out in unprovoked attacks and anonymous social media aggressions.

@@rhondasisco-cleveland2665 Yeah, but she's more of a narcissist than a psychopath. If she was truly a psychopath she wouldn't care about criticism or be trying to victimize herself, which is commonly lacking in them. ---‐‐---------------------------------------------------------------- -----‐--------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT: Yes, I'm aware that psychopaths have narcissistic traits too, but they are not clinical narcissists (NPD). Having traits that overlap doesn't mean someone is a comorbid narcissist/psychopath, as there are still distinctive characteristics that make them different from one another.

Yeah like the Chislain Marxell case. Epstein’s enabler. Then the focus is on JD & AH which fits Bill Gates, Bill Gates, etc

Yeah, except she's Borderline clearly and he's the narcissist!!!

@@reneegardner2286 it doesn't matter what they are....it matters what they do. I don't believe Amber at all. Because I don't think Johnny 'did' anything but tried to love an unlovable person.

Amber is an abusive person.

But it sounds like vulnerable narcissim, and that he threw gasoline over that fire. He sounds sadistic. She sounds clingy. They both brought out the worst in each other.

you can literally see a narcissist power down when you finally give an emotional response. 😒

Her fake sad face when her team makes allegations against whatever she claims Johnny did is so aggravating!

There are a LOT of ways someone can respond to such a situation. The way Amber Heard is acting is not one of them.

her body language vs his: you can tell exactly who the victim and who the agressor was

Exactly… for the first time i think Dr Grande didn’t do a thorough research before coming to conclusions…

Yes... I AGREE 💯 I'm a survivor of domestic violence too.

More than that they all came out and said he was the sweetest most gentle person they ever knew.

And those relationships failed. He literally took responsibility for how one very high profile one ended. Do you not think this creates baggage that he chooses to deal with partially through drug consumption? And then he takes said baggage into newer relationships...

@@nicci337 not kate moss

He wanted a trophy- she wanted a ride on his career jet. (Just want to say- Amber is a vile bitch but he was intoxicated by her beauty)

@@samf.s.7731 The relationships didn't fail, they ended.

Friend... Partial Therapist.... Impartial. The defensive doesn't need more than that to discredit a testimony.

@@samf.s.7731 He came across as being totally impartial and truth worthy.

@@samf.s.7731 Everything the doctor said about physical violence came from Ambers mouth when Depp wasn't present though. If I tell my therapist that my husband hits me, that's gospel I guess.

I love that guy. He made me cry with him.

Great humble guy and one special legal "exhibit" of how generous and good vibe is for real Johnny by far!!

Didn't Depp lose a fingertip to a wine bottle that Heard threw?

@@bnic9471 yep, in Australia

I don’t believe her. I think she’s full of it. But to be fair, a victim of abuse might not bring up the abuse in front of the abuser so her not bringing it up in front of him wouldn’t necessarily prove anything for me.

exactly

This is a great point.

Agreed. Very questionable practices by this therapist.

Isn't she a mandated reporter ?

Probably money? Or access? Or also being manipulated by their celebrity clients to keep working for them in exchange for all that. It's probably the same principle behind how some otherwise professional people turn into enablers for celebrities because it's basically the job they got hired for. Person that comes to mind is the doctor that regularly (& illegally) administered anesthesia drugs to Michael Jackson because he asked for them. After MJ died, that guy went to jail and lost his license. Basically, I think if you're in the orbit of a celebrity that big, they pretty much ask you to do anything and everything for them and you pretty much end up doing it even if it violates your practice's usual standards and ethics. Not giving an excuse. Just theorizing on what leads some people to do certain things.

@@chloeswigs3680 Definitions vary by state, but a mandated reporter in general is someone who must report abuse of “vulnerable” individuals. Children, disabled people and frail elderly definitely qualify. But I really don’t see evidence that either Johnny or Amber are vulnerable.

Very true

Mutual abuse is common between a Borderline and Narcissist tho. I have a lifetime of experience to speak from. Not sure why people aren't talking more about it.

@@reneegardner2286 I'm sorry you've experienced that. Do you have any credible reading for such abuse? I'm genuinely curious, I'd love to read more about it, because from what I've read and seem to understand is that most recent research suggests there isn't. And if I'm wrong, I don't want to spread misinformation. That said, I don't believe JD to have any of those diagnosis. Whereas AH may, if i recall correctly from the UK trial about someone having mentioned a diagnosis for her.

@@jillianj310 99.9% of narcissists aren't diagnosed so of course Johnny looks like the victim while Amber seems the abusive Borderline. Watch some videos by Sam Vaknin. He is a diagnosed narcissist. He has tons of videos on NPD and BPD

@@reneegardner2286 I'll look into it, thanks! Playing devils advocate here though, if JD had npd... Wouldn't that come up in past relationships? Again, genuinely asking. I have no idea if he is or isn't and I admittedly don't know much about npd. But from what we've heard of him in his long career and past relationships, it's never something that's come up.

@@reneegardner2286 Johnny is eccentric, part of his brilliance really, but I never spotted him as narcissistic.

Amber just got mad that he filed for divorce and so selfish of her to ruin his reputation and his kids

Abusers don't abuse everyone. He was addicted to pills & alcohol during their marriage. His mother was extremely abusive. Because Amber is obviously Borderline her personality had a different effect on him obviously than the other women he was involved with. Their was mutual abuse going on and because it was behind closed doors nobody sees his toxic side, just his movie persona

Amber is the abuser even her own mother was afraid of Amber and Johnny abused drugs and Amber is the one toxic

Vanessa Paradis is a woman of class and wanted to protect her still underaged children of all this mess.

Which he clearly feels guilty about leaving. And has resolved to kicking up his recreational drug consumption to cope... And displaced his guilt onto his new partner.

Narcissists never do, it’s always the other person who is to blame for everything.

Same, Amber has created a web of lies and truly didn't care who was effected by them, and now is stuck in the web and must face the countless lies. Alot of reporting is not reporting all just snippets, for those of us who are watching fully. Johnny clearly has demonstrated this week there's a very different, difficult private Amber.

@@KAP1984 Exactly great to see 👀 it all play out. 👍

I’ve seen multiple lawyers say the opposite, Johnny’s lawyers have to prove ambers intent. Which as of now doesn’t seem they’ll be able to prove. This testimony from the therapist shows that Johnny did do more than he previously admitted to

That is all true. However, it may not matter in a legal battle. He has to prove defamation.

Those tapes reveal everything about AH. She is totally irrational, evidently abusive and she also gaslights him throughout. I could not believe my ears when I listened to them.

@kibblewibble He has every right to what he is doing. Amber had all the resources to be able to get away from Johnny. She wasn't stuck, she was a willing participant. And you do realize what you said you fear to happen to victims is actually what happened to Depp. Can you imagine being fired from your job if your significant other called your job and accused you of domestic violence and they let you go because they believed their word of yours. He shouldn't have lost any of his jobs do to allegations.

@kibblewibble johnny, like many v1ctims of DV, has been silenced by his abuuser. Amber got the upperhand of the narrative and has been talking about it nonstop to the media and anyone who will listen 'like a jackhammer'. now he wants to tell his side of the story - the side of THE truth not just his truth. dont begrudge a v1ctim the chance to legally clear his name

Curious, why do you think he isn't though?! If they're so damn great?! Could it be because they were taped with one side knowing they were recorded which allows them to manipulate a conversation through careful selection of words? Or maybe because they make him seem manipulative? Or maybe because he was trying to make it seem like she's the only one who's physically abusive when their therapist has said that they both have been? Which means he was deliberately manipulating the public into favoring his side. Curious indeed!

@@lillyCfields she is a vulnerable narcissist with fear of abandonment. I get that you didn't listen to the testimony, but did you not listen to THIS VIDEO?!

Excellently written.

I’m kinda in the middle in this trial so I was wondering about your second point. Was there a real evidence that AH faked bruises/injuries? I tried to research it but all I saw was “he said she said” kinda evidence. Basically Amber’s friends claim they saw bruises while Johnny’s friends claim they didn’t. Is there an actual testimony from a neutral witness?

Well said. This youtube content creator should be ashamed of this baseless assessment.

@@Oktaviii I've been following it very loosely. All I know is that she claimed to use a specific consealor/foundation to hide bruises and it was proven that the brand didn't even make that line of makeup during the time period they claimed Amber used it.

@@Oktaviii Yes the police officers who were called to the scene did not see any bruises or injuries on Amber Heard at the scene of the alleged violence.

And, she has been arrested *there is a mugshot of her for hitting an old gf in 2009* .....if they had that kind of info on Johnny he would be sitting his A== in jail. lopsided justice system.

7:00 7:16 he kinda addresses this, and said therapists session notes are for active treatment and not meant to be used as evidence in a trial... But I agreewith you. He clearly hasn't studied the numerous details of the case like many of us have (me lol). Hopefully as the case progresses he'll give an update or something

@@sportsbadcalls334 seriously though society has a long way to go when it comes to fair treatment for victims. There's a mountain of proof showing amber is guilty yet Johnny is the only one who has suffered the consequences of her abussse. It's honestly baffling how much the media skews everything in ambers favor. It's like ARE WE IN THE SAME REALITY?? How do they not see it?!

@@Alleellaa They call mutual abuse because I believe DV teaches therapists and alike that one who slams a cabinet door shut is threatening the other. So if Johnny doesnt close a door perfectly he is a 'mutual abuser" ....it is society drawing a line to where abuser starts. weird.

This video is only an analysis of the video deposition and nothing more. As stated in the title of the video. It's not a verdict on the case in general only on the deposition on it's own.

You see dependant personality disorder and vulnerable narcissism unfortunately can make a person a perpetual victim unless they receive CBT for them. There's a reason why people end up in abusive relationships and can't leave. Even when their partner is inflicting loads of harm on them. Do not weigh in on something you're neither academically nor professionally qualified to weigh in on, please, you are here dealing damage to victims with those conditions. Both men and women. You're blaming a victim for having a pathology that makes them easy to be taken advantage of and makes it hard for them to leave abusive relationships. We all don't know what happened, but now, very classic patterns of DV have emerged.

I’m also a victim of domestic violence , I stayed in a domestic violence shelter , 90% of the women were lying , some just because they had nowhere to go and lied about dv just to get a shelter instead of ending up on the streets , others because they wanted to get revenge from their husbands for “ignoring them” and get benefits . Because of women like that , the court system doesn’t believe in true victims anymore .

@@samf.s.7731 and are you academically or professionally qualified to weigh in? If so did you give treatment to either of the couple? You see, like it or not, we are all entitled to an opinion......

fam, i don't want to offend you, but for the sake of amber's daughter, it's better that johnny depp lose this case. It's better that amber wins and her kid grows up well, and away from her mother, because boarding school and what not. remebermber that amber will or might take her frustrations out on that child, in the future if she loses. It's better for one man to be crucified so that other's may have a better life.

@@samf.s.7731 anyone can speak to this regardless of their experience or expertise so dismissing someone because you don't think they have the qualifiers is pointless. After a certain point it doesn't matter why someone is abusive. doesn't matter how much victimization of their own is behind their behavior or whether or not they've sought out appropriate treatment for it, that's their responsibility - if they're abusive to you you need to leave, that's your responsibility. And the original commenter was absolutely right - people who lie about abuse, regardless of their own authentic history of receiving it, do a disservice to real victims as well as (and no less significantly though not much remarked upon) a disservice to the true victim they once were. Her behavior has been a net bad and she deserves to suffer legal consequences. Hope they throw the book at her with as much skill as she throws liquor bottles.

100 % 👍

Johnny Depp made over $600 million from the Pirates franchise before the Amber thing ever happened, and the man was stupid enough to waste it on private islands, private yachts, fourteen houses, dozens of cars, gigantic art collections that sit in storage, etc. There was a length Rolling Stone article about how he lost all his money through dumb investments and excessive crazy spending. 🤷🏼‍♀️ The man even tried to sue his own business managers alleging that it was somehow their fault that he was paying $300,000 on a pair of cuff links and other idiotic purchases. Depp can’t even pay his taxes anymore coz he’s close to broke. He’s close to bankruptcy but that is NOY because Amber “destroyed his career” - he was nearly broke before her allegations.

@@mistym0rning because ur not great with money doesn’t give anyone the right to physically abuse you, make vile allegations against you, and ruin your chances of ever working again. If you don’t agree with Johnny Depp’s life choices fine, but it never excuses her behavior.

@@mistym0rning JD is what I call an Emotional thinker who,' like many people, makes emotional decisions.

@@mistym0rning But it's his money which he earned, and thought to be earned continuously, given that AH didn't ruin his reputation. If you'd lost your jobs and future jobs due to some BS another person threw at you, wouldn't you sue them?

You're not taking into account her issues. Vulnerable narcissismakes it very hard for her to walk away when a partner is abusive, something that his previous partners apparently didn't suffer from. This was a very bad match, where he was sadistic and destructive, and she couldn't walk away from him.

I am glad you broke your cycle. I knew a man (he grew up next door to me in a large family and I was his next door neighbor, he was the first to marry. The couple then moved on the other side of me. I babysat their children. The wife spent a lot of time with me.. she constantly talked about her Italian temper and how it wasn't her fault. The man divorced her. He told people that she would throw her iron at him. No one believed him. She then married another young neighbor, who like the first man was a great passive man. It was a short marriage.. he talked to a woman at a party while she held court with other men. She started the fight as soon as they got home..she ended the argument by sticking her sewing scissors in his chest. He died. I was a close, overhead neighbor of one couple and then a young man hiding out while trying to divorce. First couple I would hear her yelling abuse at the husband and then it would end either much being thrown. The sweet guy who was on the run didn't live below us long. His wife found out where he lived. We witnessed her breaking in thru a window since he wouldn't open his door. It ended in a huge fight with her even smashing a 100 gallon fish tank. Ii was horrible. We couldn't call the cops. It was a time when the police would have arrested him. We saw the destroyed apartment in the morning. He then left and found a new place to hide and by night my now exhusband helped him move. We were sad to see him go. He was much loved in our apartment complex.

@@maryelaine-blinstrubchambe6083 Women are not protected when they should be and not held to account when they should be. We now have a problem with the far right indoctrinating boys into inceldom, boys who have seen more of the latter behaviour, ie controlling women who abuse and use men. It's all coming to a head because society looks for someone to blame instead of asking where the behaviour comes from. Until we look for and treat the cause there are going to be innocent guys like you describe as well as innocent women murdered. The nice person, a lot of the time, is the vulnerable one who ends up dead. The problem as always starts in upbringing.

I don’t believe it was him changing his character, so much as him reacting to the abusive nature Amber had in the relationship. It triggered him, the therapist said that. Which in that case, leads me to believe he was the victim of the abuse. Yes, he may have reacted and tried to defend himself, but that doesn’t make him an abuser. A good way to think about it, is if the abuser did not act the way they did the victim would not have reacted. You kick a puppy enough times it will bite you… that’s not the puppy’s fault. The key to figuring out which came first, is who takes responsibility and how does the person react when called out on abusive behaviors? Do they lash out, blame the other person for making them act that way, belittle them and name call? Or do they apologize and take responsibility for their part in the action? There is audio of this playing out in their own words, and it is clear who the aggressor was… and it wasn’t Johnny.

Reactive abuse is real.

Yes, "fighting dirty" is what narcissists love doing.

I also think it points out to the beginning of mental abuse. Why would anyone want you? You are fat and old. You are lucky you have me. Only difference this time it’s a man.

Acting on a set as a character that's directed, or real life are quite different. Actors have emotions.

@@gwenwalravens8030 Yes, they have emotions, but Amber is clearly working to stay in character.

You have great comments. Amber needs to be sent to the front line in Ukraine.

Many addicts will actually stay in abuse situations because they have low self-esteem and will justify other's negative behaviors towards them. Throw a narcissist in there and they become an easy target to someone who preys on emotions and vulnerabilities. They can easily be gaslit & manipulated because of their altered states. I was in active addiction for over a decade and a lot of people (mostly other addicts, but some non-users) took advantage of me and others in the same situation. I've met a lot of violent and abusive addicts/drunks, yes, but I've also met many more who never fought back and let people steamroll right over them. It's just not a great argument to say that drugs or alcohol make people violent- they may make inherently angry and violent people more likely to lash out, but those people had these tendencies already.

@@meagana8218 I'm a recovering addict too and my biggest abuser would use that against me, gaslight, lie and manipulate me and then he'd say "you're an addict, you're just trying to manipulate people when you tell them I abuse you" and similar things.

@@meagana8218 And he WASN'T an addict, that's how he'd get away with convincing people I was in the wrong. She's an ADDICT she's HAS to be manipulating you, she HAS to be lying. Even other people who'd been abused by him, like his parents who's door he kicked in, held a knife to his mom's throat, all kinds of stuff, but he'd make them believe it was MY fault he acted like that (well the knife thing happened before me, but he blamed that on some one else too) There are so many people I know who were abused as addicts and never fought back, yes there are violent addicts but as you said those people are usually already violent and the drugs bring that out more, or even if only drugs bring it out they have a history of it, Depp has no one else saying that they abused them

@@zuglymonster I believe that if JD ever struck her or yelled abuse at her, it was either in self defense or he had been cornered and pushed beyond his limits. Narcs can make the most docile person break if they corner them and bludgeon them emotionally for long enough. I don't believe Johnny is an abusive person and I don't believe he ever started these fights. The fact that this case has come down to "yeah. She hit him, she perjured herself by lying and saying it only happened one time but so what; here's a smidge of evidence that he MAY have fought back on one or two occasions. He MUST be an abuser/He has substance abuse issues so he MUST be an abuser" is just ridiculous. As if she isn't an addict herself? And abuse victims can't have bad days? He could hardly get away from her! I also wanted to say that even though I don't know you, I'm proud of you & your recovery. It's one of the hardest things us addicts will ever get through and it's a never ending battle. And just because someone is an addict doesn't mean they're a bad person or deserve to be abused. I hope that society is getting to a place where people on the outside can finally understand that.

It's a defamation case, it's all about establishing simplistic and reductive narratives on moral character, and resorting to moral stereotypes and common prejudices to do so. The stigma against addicts is very effective.

💯 Exactly my view! Johnny Depp had already lost everything. He didn’t really have much choice. It was daft to sue the Sun newspaper in Britain! Freedom of the press is really protected. He possibly received bad legal advise… I got sucked down the rabbit hole last year & actually listened to the 1 1/2 hour long recorded conversation between them. To be honest, I started as a fan of Depp’s acting talent & a pretty heavy pro-women bias. I was listening for ‘evidence’ of guilt. By the end of the recording I was disgusted by AH. She verbally abused, gaslit & manipulated him with such cruelty. She went as far as ridiculing his ‘weakness’ for NOT fighting back when she hits him!! Basically, ‘A real man wouldn’t run away to avoid violence!’ 😳🤬

Depp has had the reputation of drinking & taking drugs for DECADES now!! That never hurt his career. Her accusations of physical (AND NOW!!) sexual abuse have destroyed his reputation & career. It’s cruel. I felt quite sorry for Depp. It seems like MANY people take advantage of him. Why were her friends & family members living FREE in HIS penthouse apartments??!

It's not going to work. The Burden to prove he was hurt is much higher in this case. He has no chance. When Depp takes the stand he will be grilled by her Lawyer and be forced to tell the truth

@@suzimonkey345 I've read many comments in regard to this matter and you'll be very pleased to know that most people are still supporting Johnny Depp and are totally against Amber Heard! You're right about his career and reputation being affected though, not to mention his health and well-being, which I can relate to. 😥

@@suzimonkey345 Rumors and established fact are different. It's like starting a rumor vs saying something under the penalty of purjury. He couldn't get fired based off of rumors. And what we're okay now with drug dependency because it serves a toxically masculine rhetoric and a sexist agenda?! You guys are shooting yourselves in the foot. No, people are not supposed to be addicted to drugs. Happy Easter, you weirdos.

What woman wants a man to stay & fight I mean come on that is strange in itself. Then if he tried to leave does she attack him? If he stays and tries to talk it through amicable AH resorts to shouting and screaming and JD can not get a word in so leaves. Who can blame him I know I would.

Translation: “Mirror my behavior, I want you to act like me because I have no control over my emotions and if we are both acting this way, I am justified in my petulance.

Yes, I doubt a victim would ask the abuser to stay and fight

Narcissists are cowards and Borderline like to "fight" or try to get answers in an argument. He's too calm that's why she acts out. Someone with experience in a relationship between a BPD and NPD can understand

@@charlottecomfort2446 Exactly!

Isn't that a Waters movie?

@@JohnSmith-yd5wq You know it!

Cry Baby is my fav Depp movie.☺️

21 jump street?

Can you share with us any stories or special memories you have of Johnny during that time?

she got charged for assault for assaulting someone in 2009. the officials dropped it but it was a charge.

My ex was extremely volatile. If a woman was walking by and I happened to glance in that direction, my ex would fly into a rage accusing me of being mentally unfaithful. Her screaming could literally go on for days. When I would eventually lose my temper and say something in retaliation, she would claim I was being abusive. I legit feel like I had PTSD after that relationship ended.

And he made a tape where he tricked her to make it seem like she abused him but not vice versa. Their therapist comes out and says they're both physically abusive. Why is it not okay when Amber does it but okay when Depp does? It's not okay in both situations. He literally tried to pull what she tried to pull. Why should I forgive him but not her?! Why should I discredit their therapist's testimony? It's funny that people still mention that tape as means of proving that she was the one who's physically abusive and lied about it, where now it serves to prove that he was also physically abusive and was trying to trick her to make it seem like she's the only abusive one. If you feel like she is horrible because "she lied", guess what, he tried to do *THE EXACT SAME THING*

@@freedomfries6618 Have you cheated on her? Honest answer.. Have you thought about it? Honest answer, please!

@@samf.s.7731 no one said it was okay for him to abuse anyone. Please don't put any words in anyone's mouth. For her to make it sounds like she was the only victim here is the problem. So often, men who are victim of domestic abuse get dismissed, unheard by others and be made fun of. And so they suffer quietly and don't even report.

Totally agree. She's Borderline. He is the narcissist. You cannot photograph psychological and emotional abuse she suffered from him. I've been in this relationship dynamic more than once. Both I wish would just walk the f*ck away already..

i think it was verbal because amber was the only one mentioning DV when johnny wasn't around

AH is a nasty narcissist, JD likes hot women and can’t walk away from one who laid him like for tile for 6 months.

I hope he gives his winnings to the charities she pledged too that would be ultimate karma he will clear his name and be able to work again

@@psj8491 Not to the ACLU who was involved in the false accusations with her but to CHLA i wholeheartedly agree!

100%!!! Johny is the victim of narcissistic abuse.His mother was a narc too so he fell straight into their toxic relationship and clearly went through CPTSD. Johny is responding to Heards manipulation and gaslighting.

So agree with “terminal victim”...she believes herself to be one because of her upbringing...so sad..

I agree! A victim of abuse does NOT talk that way, she’s clearly the abuser. She was not scared of him at all. She abused him then laughed about it and mocked him. I have a lot of disdain for her.

I don’t know. I think every personality responds differently to abuse. I thought she was lying until I saw the video of Depp before he knew he was being filmed. I think being in a relationship with someone like that can bring out really ugly things just to have to fight back or defend. I was surprised when I saw the video because everyone acted like Depp was so innocent and never violent, when in the video he clearly has a violent angry rage. Just such a short video reveals how emotionally abusive Depp was and the assumedly constant abusive dynamics in general. Heard might still be lying about some things but I get the sense there was definitely a huge amount of emotional abuse and that Depp was the one with the upper hand. This is very speculative, but I think abused people sometimes do messed up things to try to regain power or fight back and then they’re blamed for being abusive when really it was all in defense from the real abuse. Not that it excuses their behavior but often times in those relationships there’s no possibility for recourse and you just go insane if you don’t get out soon enough. I think she tried to stay too long trying to hold on.

Terminal victim is just a very ignorant way of describing someone with vulnerable narcissim or dependant personality disorder. These people classically end up in abusive relationships. They can be abused easily due to their self esteem issues, as well as other traits that make them more liable to domestic abuse. Her psych history, coming from an abusive household cements that. He has unresolved issues from previous relationships, and while I don't remember how he broke up with Winona, I remember him saying it was his fault. Seems like he thinks he's unworthy of love, meanwhile she'd cling onto anything just to get his attention and affection (Even when her actions are sure to result in the exact opposite). This was the definive conclusion of a relationship like this, where one partner is pathologically attached, and another is pathologically sadistic. Pain, in excessive amounts, was probably inflicted on her because of how she was wired. And he was never going to give her what she wanted, even though he saw that it was driving her crazy. He kept doing exactly the opposite of what was going to de-escalate. Because what she needed was excessive love and attention, and what he was doing was just telling her that she's not enough, is crazy, and then playing hero by "walking away" from her after metaphorically throwing a grenade at her. He's emotionally abusive, she's pathologically clingy, and they're both prone to physical abuse. Again, I've said it before, it's a match made in hell.

All the best, Mona. Stay strong.

💜✨

@Mona Davey- ditto 🙄.

10 years after my divorce my ex FINALLY gave me the silent treatment... THANK GOD!!! I feel ya

Yup, my mom sued me and then disinherited me in her will when I ‘abandoned’ her… by getting a serious boyfriend at age 38. 🙄 Life is sooo much better now.

I know. This must be hard for him. Having substance abuse issues is hard enough in and of itself without this being livestreamed for the world to hear. This is a mess, I wish they'd settled out of court.

@@samf.s.7731 He wanted to keep it all out of the public eye so badly - but she demanded the big public spectacle. He’s very private. This is extremely hard for him. Which makes me feel he is right - and his willingness to spill his secrets and personal life - in order to clear his good name. This is going to great lengths. I don’t think a guilty party would do that…. Hopefully, justice will be granted to JD.

dont feel sorry for the old entitled drunk

Unfortunate doesn’t cover it! Imagine falsely being accused of DV (I take it you’ve listened to the tapes) which goes round the world, is on the internet forever, you’re reminded of the injustice of it all when she refers to it in public; and this said injustice impacts your children and entire family. Feel so sorry for him.

@@USAngel4u2 I think she wanted a bigger check, which he should have cut. He won't be able to recover from this if he loses.

Interesting question here! Is it cowardly to walk away and not fight or is it saner to not engage?🤔

@@bthomson if the other person is engaging in a mature and sensible argument then its beneficial to stay and work out the problem. However it seems that her 'jack hammer' and frankly hysterical nature could not be reasoned with. It is nobler to walk out of a situation like that.

Exactly.

Yes, because narcissists are cowards and they always stonewall or walk away

She is going lesbian last I heard. Shocker.

Yes but what if you said something extremely painful and aggrevating intentionally to drive the other person nuts. Just because you can because you have a cluster fuck worth of problems that you need to work through and instead you resolved to using substances and sadism instead of working through them. And this other person loves you and doesn't understand why you're saying these things. Should you be very clean in that context?! Sounds like you tried to bring the worst out of someone who actually cares for you, by hurting them, and then are trying to play victim. There's a reason why the therapist is saying they're both toxic. Depp is not clean, and is abusive. Both emotionally and physically.

Exactly! Perfectly stated.

@@samf.s.7731 Why didn't either one just walk away and wipe their hands of it. It's pathetic and makes both of them seem insecure. Ick all around.

She wanted him to be underneath him for the rest of her life. He wouldn't go there so she beat him for it.

@@forrestgreene1139 leaving is the most dangerous time when abuse is occurring. It’s very rare someone gets to just leave and wipe their hands of an abusive situation when someone who wants power and control is involved.

Narcissists abuse behind closed doors and often the Borderline is seen as the abuser. This case seems she's an unaware Borderline reacting to his emotional and psychological abuse. He was an addict and an alcoholic. They're self centered people. He's not the great guy everyone sees in movies behind closed doors

She could have also been terrified to mention it in front of him, or more accurately scared that he "may not love her" if she does. Very classic for a battered wife if you'd ask me.

Why are people having rabies over someone else's divorce ??

@@samf.s.7731 Except she was hardly a battered wife when she at least initiated the physical violence, abused him, talked over him at therapy sessions. And there are multiple witnesses to her appalling aggressive behaviour including her PA. You might be right. I highly doubt it.

Mutual abuse is a myth.

It's also for his family. His children face prejudice and harassment because of these accusations and I'm sure he carries that burden on his conscience.

@@meagana8218 I agree with you

@@glendasully I agree with everything you've said as well, just wanted to add to what you said! This trial has been very nerve-wracking so far but I'm hoping for the best! Johnny has a lot of love and support out here, no matter what happens ❤

Yes, that's where I disagree with Dr. Grande also. It goes without saying that Depp would prefer not to put himself through this, but his livelihood depends on it.

Narcissists are ends up controlling someones life, and shifting the blame to someone completely innocent by using their weaknesses like addictions, gambling or mental health as responsible and an excuse to for their behaviour.

JD's take-down of Ricky Gervace was, of course, acting! But you could definitely feel how effective JD can be at put-down! When he finds his "voice" it's quite something! (I think it's very cool!)

Look at Jada Pinkett. She's been famous for decades too, now we're seeing she's a narcissist. I didn't know my mother was a covert narcissist until I was about 43 years old so everything isn't always as it seems.

Exactly. Amber heard has always been trouble. But he brought this onto himself by marrying her when he barely knew her. He was with his ex for like 10 years or so and never married her. And they say men are the logical sex 🙄

Vanessa Paradis even came out very strongly that she was with him for decades and had 2 kids with him, but he wouldn’t kill a fly. Amber is such a liar.

@@emilyl6746 He's an idiot at actual life?...

Agree, I am in NZ, we have very similar tough laws regarding bringing in animals, I remember this incident and her sense of entitlement at the time was very revealing. It spoke to her deep narcissism. Made me question at the time how she would behave in every day situations…

it seems therapists naturally tend to back the female side.

Okay so all judges and all therapists are wrong, because the internet is biased towards Depp. Hmmmmmm, curious!

Watch the video from "cluster b miskshake" to it

The therapist said they both initiated abuse. I'm inclined see Amber as a little worse because she didn't make the same effort to deescalate and has a previous arrest for assaulting a a partner but it sounds like a toxic dynamic where both parties should take some responsibility.

Judges and therapists based their opinions on hearsay. There is not evidence that Johnny initiated the fighting with Amber. I do believe both should have the right to defend themselves, but my impression is that Depp is a passive man who tried to pick his battles. He also seems to take responsibility for his actions when placed in impossible situations.

@@phoebe543 Welp, she may have not made an effort to de-escalate. But it sounds like he initiates or maintains topics that she finds painful. From what's discussed regarding her over attachment and desire to be "his one and only", seems like he really didn't wish to outwardly say that he loves her more than Winona or Vanessa. This is an issue I personally had with a former boyfriend. He knew it hurt the crap out of me, but he would always say that he loved his ex, and never said he loved me. It's also his fault that his former relationship ended because he was very abusive to that girl who was very sweet and patient with him (I was just too blind to see it, I wanted to believe that she was the problem and not him). So basically he abused the ex, and then used the ex to abuse me. It drove me bananas I swear. I genuinely loved him (I have never felt a deeper regret over anything I did, but hey I forgave myself!) and his style of being with somebody revolved around beating them down in a very sadistic fashion. He would remain calm and it would seem like he was trying to de-escalate, but it was like punching someone in the gut and then pretending like it doesn't matter and that I was making a big deal out of nothing. Seems like Amber really was desperate to be loved by JD, to have him love her in the same manner that she loved him. She's exceptionally beautiful, and is very charming. Thing is, seems like she has abandonment issues and he has a very unhealthy relationship style. Winona can say that he was great, but again I don't know what happened to break that relationship up. And it seems like whenever he messed up, he feels like somehow he's making it up to the people he hurt by acknowledging that he messed up to his subsequent partner (I guess it's guilt from moving on, problem is, those relationships are not about him). But imagine hearing that from someone you love, that the person they were with before you is the one they truly loved, and if they didn't ***k it up with them, then there was no way they would be with you. Like, why are you with me then? Go try to get that person back! Or is your ego so big that you'd rather torture yourself and me for mistakes that you made but your toxic masculinity wouldn't let you really try to fix?! Hearing that you're the one they settled for, even though there are people out there willing to step in front of a bus for you, while you are the kind of person who would step in front of a bus for them. Again, how gutting would that be? She may have abandonment issues, but he doesn't know how to relationship, and it's cruel. Edit: I actually thought their marriage was a sham PR stunt. No this was the real deal, they just have a lot of baggage. And imo, Depp is the more ***ked up out of the two. She just wanted him to love her, ironically even when they fought. Meanwhile, he was getting high and not working through his problems. I think the age discrepancy played a huge role there, Depp has had very serious relationships before that lasted long and failed; which he didn't seek therapy for after they ended (to my knowledge) but instead just became dependent on substances. Amber, was just too blind to see it.

Borderline Personality Disorder does that to you.

@leen khlifat, liars always tell elaborate stories, and as a result have to get more and more elaborate, as they are forced to explain the inconsistencies that inevitably are a result of lying. You see this often when the real perpetrator of the crime is being questioned. This happens in everyday situations too. Children often automatically do this which is why it's so important to correct our children with loving firmness. Never let them feel you won't stop loving them, let them know about forgiveness, but that to speak the truth is always vital. I digressed, sorry, but in contrast to a liar, a person who speaks the truth usually has a far less complicated story, without lots and lots of details, and the story never changes, nor has contradictions. The liar tells a very, very detailed story, in the hope that by knowing all these " true" details, they will convince you. How often have we thought that someone must be telling the truth because they know soooo much, that is, sooo many details!

@@annabambus6572 totally agree. It's however very public!! to what degree can someone stretch a lie on a highly publicised case that's been going on for around 7 years now and still get away with it?!! And I'm not talking about a single incident they're actually too many to count with the smallest details being completely changed. I hope the jury at least notice that.

This is how narcissists work - they work to confuse and destabilise you so they can fill your head with whatever they want. She's just trying to do it on a large scale right now, which will not work in the long run. Too many professionals cross referencing everything.

@@leen_art jury?

Johnny isn't bad either

DANG YOU WOMEN IN THE COMMENT SECTION. You see right through her fake ass, salute to the moms who don't want their sons end up with women like that.

I don’t think the situation is that black and white. Johnny and Amber were a couple with a toxic relationship. Neither was a victim. Both easily had resources to walk away. And, they are STILL not walking away despite being divorced for a number of years. They would be better off moving forward with their careers than engaging in public lawsuits that bring attention to their toxicity. I wonder how much the “aging former sex symbol” situation plays into their behavior.

@@GoodnightJLH thank you. I have BPD, dated many narcissists. It's a nightmare and that's what I see here. A Borderline and a narcissist

@@reneegardner2286 I think that’s a distinct possibility. But we can’t diagnose people accurately by using the info they disseminate as public persona.

Women vs Men's sentences and convictions to add to that

I think the best thing Amber can do (in the4 court case I mean, because she's never going to admit she's a manipulative liar) is to get her witnesses to say "they're as bad as each other" in order to present a very unhealthy example of a marriage where both parties are abusive. I don't think Johnny Depp is abusive at all. He used to dress up as Jack Sparrow and come round kids' hospitals without any press (only a sneaky photo from staff members' phones) just to do something good for very ill children. He seems like a genuinely good guy that's caught up with a monster.

That’s why I’m glad this is not the UK and that there’s a jury. Jury is basically the public

she's not a v1ctim. She's a bully pretending to be a v1ctim - she's the DV perpetrator

@@jacquelynskye295 I think ex-girlfriends like Kate Moss would've also spoken out for him, but she's had her own bad press for drugs, which should be irrelevant anyway. Just because someone takes drugs, it doesn't make them a bad person. I'd take Jonny Depp on a little coke or Xanax over 99% of Hollywood celebs (in terms of morals and ethics).

G in lasagna 🤣

A therapist isn't supposed to counsel a couple with DV in the first place !!

she did four important things imo. She said that 1-Amber STARTED fights if she felt disrespected 2-johnny had no voice in therapy and that amber would talk over him like a jackhammer and 3-that Amber asked her about whether she should call the police to get the upperhand in a divorce 4- Also one more thing i'm not sure if this is good or not good for Johnny (because it's not true) but the media has picked it up saying that it was 'mutual vi0lence'. Before it was only 'Johnny is ENTIRELY guilty'. So the mainstream media needle has moved from Amber is an innocent-babe-in-the-woods to something that's not quite so innocent and not quite so pure and angelic.

i do agree with you on some points like the G is useless and maybe her notes could be better. :) but i'm going to suggest that the therapist thought she was brought in for actual couples counselling and didn't realize it was to create contemporaneous evidence for Amber to use in a divorce. She's not an investigator and wouldn't be able to determine that Amber would show off faked bruises or faked photos. She believed Amber wanted to fix the marriage when Amber was only looking to get the best divorce settlement from her cash cow and DV v1ctim.

Sorry! But I agree!

such a shy, talented, friendly man, who has his own struggles. he doesn't deserve this.

It’s difficult waiting for the verdict tbh. Once you’ve listened to those tapes, how she gaslights him, how totally illogical she is… I’m surprised they made it to a year. No one should or could live with someone who treats you like that.

@kibblewibble Johnny suffered from Narcotic abuse from her!

@kibblewibble so you're saying they should be together still? Maybe he should lose another finger, oh thats right women cant abuse men in your definition cause of "power" grow up.

Shitting in the bed was Johnny’s limit.

I'm following the trial but I missed the part on her pattern of relationship abuse. Do you know who that was with?

@@skwerl81 She was arrested for DV with her ex wife, none of it has been entered as evidence. Waiting to see if it happens or not

@@amandamandamands wow, crazy!! Thanks!

Agree with you totally.

I agree wholeheartedly.

@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim What a ridiculous name. Want people to value your opinion? Grow up.

That’s not true, he has a duty to retreat if he can. Self defence only applices to unavoidable deadly harm

@@MinaF99 What if she has him cornered, blocking the only exit? What if to retreat he has to get physical, push her maybe, to get past her? What if she waited until she knew he was drunk, so she would have that advantage over him? I can see times when a man might need to get physical just to get away and retreat.

Exactly, people who grew up watching their parents being abusive towards each other have completely different perspectives. I see a lot of people commenting on their experience of being a victim of DV and they of course have their own perspective. But people who watched their family members abusing each other know that it is usually a fault of both people. And in fact there are 2 abusers and 2 victims at the same time

"Everyone's a victim" is not true.

A manipulator who plays mind games....she is twisted

forgot about that. thanks for mentioning it.

OMG very very good point and i forgot that - but remember i didn't like when she said that at the time. i'm going to re-evaluate my opinion of this therapist. this makes me very suspicious. it's not a common error and it's not something a professional would easily admit too. If you did make the mistake you would point it out at a specific part if someone called it out and it was incorrect but you wouldn't suggest at a deposition 'oh i make gender switches all the time in my notes' for a trial viewed worldwide. amber tried that EXACT same excuse with nurse court statements. She said the medical professional meant 'he' instead of 'she'. Something about 'she suffers anxiety' - Amber said it was Johnny who suffered that. What would be the chances that her chosen therapist says she does the same thing with he and she..

imo This might be a payoff involved. Amber uses that excuse with professional testimony and now her therapist says she makes gender swaps in her notes OFTEN.

and there's something else. the words that are attributed to Johnny about him 'giving as good as he got'. And the therapist not writing down any more details or following up on that statement. To me that really sounds like Ambers words and ideas - not johnny's. She was saying things like 'it's a fair fight', 'i didn't deck you' and other stuff to him implying he was able to defend himself from her attacks. Maybe she asked for the therapist to ADD this to her testimony as well as admitting to gender swaps. Just imo

You'd think the therapist would be smart enough to figure that out, but it seems like they don't. How can someone not as smart as the clients actually be able to help them?

30 years ago, no one was talking about narcissism & my narcissistic boyfriend back then charmed my therapist into taking sides with him especially since I wasn’t as articulate & was more hurt & emotional in my responses. Now, I look back and realize I had a narcissistic mother & was imprinted with certain behaviors which I thought were “normal” but they were not & I was attracted to men who had those qualities (and abusive bosses as well). I also turned to alcohol to numb myself out from all the hurt inside me. Now, I look back & marvel at how I walked away from that relationship despite him begging me to come back & despite the fact that I still loved him. But I knew we were toxic. He was toxic. And I also marvel that I now have 22 years of sobriety & and am able to identify my character defects as well as others’

Have you heard of psychological/emotional abuse? That's Johnny

@@reneegardner2286 Have I heard of emotional abuse? Or Dr Grande? I have been through emotional abuse myself, so yes. I've dealt with a partner who pushed every button, I got frustrated and yelled at him, so in theory I'm as bad. Shouting is abusive. He was very quiet, manipulative and gaslighted me constantly. Oh he hit as well. But I was told that we were as bad as eachother. He punched my stomach with both my pregnancies. Oh yes, I know what abuse is. My ex had a history of it from childhood. He would gaslight his parents, his siblings and his friends, none of them were passionately supportive like Isaac or Johnny's sister. With Johnny there's no history of abusive behaviour. With Amber there is history, her mother, her sister, her ex. She also tries to triangulate people, Jason Mamoa, Kevin Costner etc. I'm not a big fan of Johnny, and I thought him dreadful for beating his wife, until the words coming out of Amber's mouth convinced me that it's her. You, I assume, are fortunate enough not to be a DV victim, or you'd know better.

@@TM-tx9ct Ok, me too. I have B.P.D. and have dated several narcissists. Dealt with physical, emotional, sexual, financial, verbal, and psychological abuse. I also had reactive abuse. They BOTH have alot of mental health issues and I see it as a Borderline and a narcissist. He sits back cool and calm while she explodes looking like the perpetrator

@@reneegardner2286 ok, listen to the 2 hours recording they have. If he was like you say, then nobody would support him.

@@TM-tx9ct I've dated narcissists. You dont know what was happening before these recordings began

Rejane - Dr. Grande is up to the minute!🕰 Happy Easter!🐇🐥

@@bthomson Exactly!!😁 Happy Easter to you and your family!

So are you! ( Up to the minute in comments!). Thanks!💐

@@bthomson Aww sweetie 😊😘

Your counselor should have interrupted partner and asked you to speak.

she never loved him - but she did love his wallet. When they first started dating she said he was a fat old man to her assistant. Another witness said she saw amber attack him and called him a fat old man. and jerry judge (security) told his sister that she called him a fat old man. It wasn't a joke, it wasn't funny - but it was how she felt about him. There was no love from her side :(

@@GiselleKlara Amber started fights with him to make him late and sabotage his projects

Exactly

Thank you for this, I completely agree and I wish Dr Grande did a more thorough research

@@hindalmaeeni8088 i think his research is adequate. There is no way that johnny Depp is completely scotch free, but i do believe that amber heard was more abusive than johnny Depp.

Vulnerable narcissist probably, those people often end up in abusive relationships because they really want to be loved. It's hilarious that everyone has been calling her a narcissist, but missed out on how this can be abused by a sadistic partner with unresolved issues from previous relationships. This is how it's coming off from what we're hearing now. I think this actually surprisingly makes her case better. It does prove that she's flawed, but in a manner where she can be taken advantage of. Her behavior is due to a desperate need for love and attention, to the point where she'd keep fights with him just to keep him engaged with her. With him, it does not sound like de-escalation anymore, it sounds like sadism, where he says something hurtful or initiates a fight, and after seeing how much in pain she is and that he did get a rise out of her, he'd walk away because "mission accomplished". Doesn't matter that he's calm, that actually makes it seem more sociopathic and deliberate. I don't think people ever considered that, but it honestly sounds more like a classic "battered wife" situation now. If he hadn't used substances I would have been more inclined to reconsider, but that's the thing about substance use, it can turn you into a really bad person. I don't think that's how he normally is, but he definitely has baggage that he needed to work through before marrying a woman who's so vulnerable she'd do anything to get his attention (Even when her efforts seem to clearly result in the opposite effect, or maybe the desired effect if hurting her was what he really wanted, consciously or subconsciously).

@@samf.s.7731 unbelievable.....your notions are reversed...she is by far the unbalanced one. Do you know what it is like to deal with unbalanced ppl ???? it's like your running uphill all the time.

He himself brought all these awful details to the court and public…. She never mentioned his name!!!

She didn’t need to, she was purposely not mentioning his name while purposely alluding to him, than all the media jumped on it, not once did she come out to refute what the media was speculating, listen to the audio, she admitted to hitting him. She was the abuser.

WE don't have evidence of him abusing her only Amber abusing Johny and many other people. We actualy have evidence of Johny NOT abusing her

Johnny and Amber were in counselling and did have help but i'm sure she didn't agree to it as often as she needed and she wasn't honest with the therapist(s)

It's called codependency, which is very common in unhealthy relationships. The difference is that Amber is a codependent narcissist. Depp is also codependent, but does not appear to have a toxic cluster b personality disorder like Amber does. This is also a good example of how not all people with an unhealthy childhood turn out to be intentionally abusive, but rather people who react to those who are doing the provoking. Narcissists are notorious for provoking people on purpose until the victim ends up reacting to the aggressor, so the aggressor can find a way to flip the blame around and onto the victim. Rinse and repeat.

Exactly!

AMEN 🙏

I am 12 years older than Bruce and married 32 years so age does not necessarily matter. What matters is the way you treat each other and these two were ng!

Age has little to do with it, I think. I mean, there are plenty toxic relationships between same age range

1/2 your age plus 7 is dating math. Thats the min/max age zone. max is 2x minus 7.

He has a whole playlist on his RU-vid channel on Narcissism.

Agreed but empath is a more new age/spiritual term I believe. There is so much of this dynamic tho (narc w empath) as the narcissistic person loves to attach to the caring one, then take advantage.

Johnny was already in Australia filming a Pirate of the Caribbean. It was Amber that snuck the dogs in. It was her that forced him to make that apology video.

@@amaiyagrace true! Johnny wasn't even aware what happened until the authorities got involved.

It was Amber that smuggled in the dogs!!! She’s the one facing perjury charges in Australia. Please check the facts, don’t believe the media.

It was AH who illegally brought the dogs in to Australia, JD was already in Australia and not involved, in fact it has been reported that he specifically said he did not want her to bring the dogs. Being the gentleman he is JD assisted Amber by sharing the blame with her publicly.

@@shiinichie4013 Johnny was filming the POTC movie when she showed up with the dogs. Someone stupidly took the dogs to a groomer and bragged it was Johnny Depp's dogs. The person grooming the dogs took pictures of the dogs and posted them online. That's how she was caught. She was held criminally liable but mildly. They never went after Johnny. He paid for the jet to bring them back to America. All the paperwork is in Amber's name it doesn't say Johnny's name on top of both the assistants testimonies. He was forced into that video. Australia found out she lied and now wants to get her for perjury 6 years later and if she goes to Australia she will more than likely be jailed and most movies are filmed in Australia. Australia HATES her. She recently got a dog and named it after Barnaby Joyce.The guy who threatened to put the dogs to sleep if they weren't removed ASAP. Australia and the FBI are currently looking at getting her for perjury of the dogs. Johnny has never been criminally held responsible. He is just associated because of her being his wife and his dogs. And then the video.

Completely agree. She's harming the people that need to be believed and supported

Ironic

Exactly ! This is the real tragedy. Sending you much love and healing vibes. 💫💜💫

Just like Smollett

It's INSANE, sometimes it seems to me that the only victims of abuse that get BELIEVED are the ones who are lying.

She's not beautiful. She looks like the female trump

You are sooo right!

That's the takeaway.

Yep, GTFO indeed.

and sometimes the victim is so broken they can barely express themself. apparently she was overbearing w jackhammer speech, he became overwhelmed. that's not even a friend, let alone a romantic partner

@@chloeswigs3680 jackhammer speech? I would google that (or pressured speech)… people with anxiety and bipolar tend to use that type of speech when they’re feeling anxiety or possible going through a manic episode, it’s like they have to get all the things in their head out before anyone interrupts them. Sometimes people need real help, not a marriage counselor or therapist who’s goal is to fix a broken marriage that’s well beyond repair. When you are with a person who has used his cool calm demeanor to win people over for years…. It will feel like literal torture. When people are suffering, in fear, a constant state of anxiety… they don’t know how to control their behaviors around people… but the abuser usually does, it’s a no win situation. Thank god I’m not married but there is a reason I do not like marriage counselors…. they will always take the side of the calm one, the one who wants to keep the relationship together… without wondering “hmmm for a couple that fights a lot and has a lot of real issues… it’s kinda funny how he’s soooo calm and nice around me and never shows anger”… it’s called manipulation.

Amber is definitely a narcissist.

Like the couple in Montecristo?

Agree. I think I was 1/2 way through Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (watched it on HBO or something) before I realized it was Johnny Depp! I knew it was based on Hunter S Thomson’s book but I thought it was another actor I didn’t know!😂

She is Borderline and brought out his toxic side. Can't photograph psychological and emotional abuse

Vanessa Paradis is not low profile, though?

@@goranbreskic4304 low profile in the sense that there wasn't any drama and controversy surrounding her or their relationship

Your method is stupid.