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Anatomy of a homebuilt aircraft failure 

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This is a clip I took from an FAA presentation on experimental aircraft safety at Sun N' Fun 2007. It is basically a brief tutorial on how NOT to design and build a homebuilt aircraft.
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@tlj3399
@tlj3399 5 лет назад
The best advise I ever got when I became a technician was unless you can explain why something isn’t functioning correctly it will fail. No matter what you have to do find what is causing the problem then fix it in a way that you believe is overkill.
@BetterAircraftFabric
@BetterAircraftFabric 10 лет назад
It should be pointed out that the vast majority of all homebuild / experimental - amateur build airplanes are Not bad designs and are safe to fly. Most are build by very well designed plans & with proven methods. There is the EAA with chapters at about every Airport and they help folks with advise and inspection. Anybody who wants to build a plane can get help IF HE IS WILLING to listen and learn. Very small single seat planes have very little oversight requirements, but even with that almost all of them are very safe. Its just a hobby that rewards education and due process. Please do not come to prejudice conclusions just because media hype about every crash and no report about all the safe planes flying around...
@rybaluc
@rybaluc 8 лет назад
+BetterAircraftFabric I think RC airplanes are a good start for a basic know how. Altough small airplanes and heavy airplanes behaves in a different way. Minor unimportant mishap on small airplane could be fatal on big one. As you told. There are amateur aviation asociations with professionals from aircraft industry which offers guidelines, help, inspection not as part of their profession but a hobby. Sometimes for a bottles of good wine or schnaps:) Building is about learning. If you are not willing to learn, you are doomed.
@PDZ1122
@PDZ1122 7 лет назад
This is what killed this guy: you cannot use model airplane construction techniques and apply to them full size airplanes. Just because it works on a model does not mean it will work full size. Discontinuous spar caps and crappy plywood won't do.
@Lemev
@Lemev 7 лет назад
PDZ1122 Totally agree! Sometimes the project is good, the plans are easy to understand, and even the constructor is skilled enough to carry on the project with no problems, but using poor materials, like non-aeronautical grade wood, or wrongly cut, or just by using inappropriate type of glues could lead to disaster.
@BetterAircraftFabric
@BetterAircraftFabric 6 лет назад
PDZ1122; You are sure right with these two comments...No question... Building a wooden airplane requires far more skill and care than bolting together and kitplane or ultralight of the metal kind. Attention to "detail" is a total must with wooden structures...
@cdreid99999
@cdreid99999 5 лет назад
@@BetterAircraftFabric i bought an avid speedwing and amd starting lessons soon. And i have 100% faith in it. But no way wpuld i buy or try to build or design a wooden airplane. Also luan plywood is a horrific choice
@danielhoffmann67
@danielhoffmann67 6 лет назад
"He couldn't find anything wrong with it so he chose to fly the airplaine again." This says all about the attitude of the builder.
@doranjaffas9645
@doranjaffas9645 7 лет назад
I am a pilot and a builder as well as having experience as a test pilot for homebuilts and repaired certified aircraft. I only took this as a word of caution to would be uneducated designers. Not as criticism of homebuilts in general. As an owner of an experimental aircraft I also now that nunbers and per hrs flown...amature built aircraft have a disproportionate ratio of accidents....not necessarily the fault of the design itself but more often than not...the pilot not properly familiarizing themselves with the aircraft before attempting flight or flight envelope expansion. Still. .the point here is well presented and a lesson for all should be applied when purchasing an aircraft.. especially an experimental airplane.
@mcjon77
@mcjon77 11 лет назад
The full presentation is on RU-vid, but I cannot put a link in the comments. Just do a search for "FAASTeam - Experimental Aircraft Accidents" on RU-vid and it comes up as the first result.
@ExSkyCyclePilot
@ExSkyCyclePilot 6 лет назад
I built a Mini-Max several years ago, and lost it after engine failure on takeoff - avoid Hirth. When the engine quit, I could not get back to the runway, and elected to land in a field on airport property. Unfortunately, in the few seconds I had to think, I failed to remember that there were power lines at the edge of the field. They were blocked from view by my forward fuselage, and my landing gear hit them. The plane stopped, and nosed into the ground, then caught fire. I walked away without a scratch. I was lucky, but a well designed, correctly built and inspected aircraft with a four point harness didn't hurt... Do what you love, but be smart, and be careful...
@timmiddleton1350
@timmiddleton1350 10 лет назад
That is unbelievable that he was able to build and fly this without anyone saying that the structure would fail. This design was doomed on the drawing board.
@LordSandwichII
@LordSandwichII 9 лет назад
Fuel leaks should always be a red flag for a possible structural problem!
@Maynardtkrebs
@Maynardtkrebs 10 лет назад
Logic failure on the part of the builder. He built the structure for the ribs and appearance instead of the spar and function. Just a failure on his part to understand how the wing carries the other load. Apparently, he never really asked himself what he was trying to do regarding the loads. People make the same sort of logic mistakes when building other structures (ie, decks or roofs that collapse, which is a failure to understand how the load is transferred to the ground). But flying is relatively unforgiving. Even dropping 50 feet is going to be fatal or nearly so as that load is transferred to the ground. Unbelievable that he passed off his ignorance to others who bought what he built. Beware in the homebuilt market!!!
@mfree80286
@mfree80286 3 года назад
Thank you, YT algorithm. That graphic came up at 2:35 and I literally said "you can't be serious", but a few seconds later it was confirmed that was deadly serious. What the holy heck was that builder thinking!
@9999plato
@9999plato 7 лет назад
I build RC airplanes (looking into home built) and would never use such foolish construction practices. I guess he is a possible Darwin award nominee.
@philalcoceli6328
@philalcoceli6328 7 лет назад
I support all the comments here about most homebuilt aircraft being safe or, in some cases, safer than factory built aircraft. BUT, and there is a big Kardashian but about this, NO aircraft will be safe if designed wrong, built wrong, maintained wrong, tested wrong, piloted wrong or recklessly, or by ignoring ALL aviation common sense accumulated since the Wright Brothers. ALL OF THESE wrong approaches happened in this deadly incident. I don't make it a sport to make fun of the dead but this man's hard-headedness was incredibly shocking. Thanks God the huge majority of aircraft homebuilders are not like him!!!
@mfree80286
@mfree80286 3 года назад
I still can't wrap my head around the thought processes that hung 2/3 of a wing off a luan skin and what looked like 1x2 dimensional stripping. Hell, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable in a homebuilt aircraft that didn't have a continuous tube steel spar and fuselage spine....
@unapro3
@unapro3 12 лет назад
Forgot to mention, thanks for posting video, very informative.
@ConvairDart106
@ConvairDart106 4 года назад
I think he used an R/C plane to pattern from. Short spar tube that the wing slides over. I have many of those.
@JohnJ-fj2xe
@JohnJ-fj2xe 3 года назад
Maybe he watched "Flight of the Phoenix" once too often...
@ianherbert1214
@ianherbert1214 3 года назад
Even RC airplanes don't use this type of wing. All RC planes whether they have a tube joiner or not will have a full length spar, the tube is bonded to the spar and connects both spars from each panel together.
@driftroyale9824
@driftroyale9824 5 лет назад
Ho...ly... mother of god. Ever since I was a little kid, I'd been building and flying RC model airplanes. I've even made a couple of large (8') gliders made out of copy paper and cardboard. I swear when they said the spar only extended into the first third or so of the wing my jaw hit the goddamn floor!!
@G56AG
@G56AG 8 лет назад
About the only good thing is that no innocent parties were injured or killed, only the builder/designer who did such an appalling job in the design, that thing was destined to crash by its own poor design.
@davem5333
@davem5333 6 лет назад
It's one thing to have bravado and be antiestablishment. It's another to be suicidal stupid.
@LordSandwichII
@LordSandwichII 9 лет назад
If you are going to make a non- continuous spar, make sure that the join is stronger than the spar!
@crankhandle
@crankhandle 3 года назад
I feel like this isn't the entire story. Why did the builder jump up and down to load the wing when attempting to find a fuel leak?? Was the fuel tank in the fuselage or wing? The spar caps look to be one piece continues but the shear web is completely missing and if it was there it must have completely failed at the glue joint. I don't believe someone capable of building multiple aircraft would join spar caps at every rib and not make a full span spar!
@PietenpolNX899TD
@PietenpolNX899TD 3 года назад
Absolutely scary that others purchased the planes he built. Tragic and scary.
@mercedescherokee6853
@mercedescherokee6853 Год назад
Reminds me of the raptor aircraft project, I hope his next build doesn't leave the ground for his own safety
@VitalityMassage
@VitalityMassage 10 лет назад
Few people with any common sense would make mistakes like that. Anyone that's even built a few model airplanes knows the main spars need to be one solid piece. How often will a plane break up in mid-air? lol. Once in a blue moon! Wanna do something REALLY dangerous? Drive a car!
@johnelliott8630
@johnelliott8630 2 года назад
However, it looks like the failure did NOT occur at the point where the spar is glued to the sheer web. It would have been helpful if they would have shown a picture where the break occurred.
@SomeTechGuy666
@SomeTechGuy666 4 года назад
What was the NTSB accident number for this incident ?
@DigicorIncOdessa
@DigicorIncOdessa 6 лет назад
As a low time pilot, builder and person concerned with safety, I can't imagine what that unfortunate builder / pilot was thinking with that spar or lack there of. It's so sad to see, but also makes me wonder how that was approved for flight. Lightweight and cheap can work, but probably not together in a wing.
@patrickradcliffe3837
@patrickradcliffe3837 3 года назад
I don't think I have ever seen a experimental or a GA that did not have a full length spar. Even Peter Siprol builds experimental designs that always have full length spar. Bad designer and builder, if I had bought a plane from him I'd be taking a chainsaw to it.
@LADY_JEMIMA_FORTESCUE
@LADY_JEMIMA_FORTESCUE 5 лет назад
he was just a nutcase no one else would dream of doing this without properly designed & built aircraft
@honestycounts9352
@honestycounts9352 8 лет назад
Wood naturally has defects. And even if wood does not have defects at the beginning, over time wood changes and might develop defects. That is why for structural elements such as landing gear and spars, they should always be made of metal (aluminum, or titanium). And do what Boeing does; put a static load on the wings to simulate 10 times what the conventional wing loading will normally be. You do this by placing the airplane upside down and then placing sand bags on top of the wing's bottom surface, distributing it evenly from root to tip, until a total of 10 times the vehicle weight has been placed onto the wing. Leave it there for 2 hours. If everything is still okay then your plane will be safe to fly. if any bending occurs then you need to make that spar stronger. Simple but effective way to build a strong and safe wing.
@raoulcruz4404
@raoulcruz4404 8 лет назад
I guess you would not like to fly in a Bellanca Viking. Speaking static load tests, look at the load test done on the Viking wing. By the way, aluminum develops defects, it's called corrosion.
@LorddGray
@LorddGray 8 лет назад
With you right up to the bit about the building a stronger spar if the wing bends. Wings on airliners bend. They are designed to flex somewhat. If they are too rigid they will be brittle and then when overloaded they would simply snap all at once. All that really matters is if the wing is damaged.
@SuperYellowsubmarin
@SuperYellowsubmarin 7 лет назад
Wood is a very effective aircraft building material. Has been for a century, and still is. Some of the best aerobatic aircrafts use wood. Any material has defects, but wood has distinct advantages such as very good bonding capability, easy to work with, durable in time if well protected, and overall, good strength to weight ratio with low density allowing large sections, just strong enough, without weight penalty. Most metallic designs are not designed for strength but stability (buckling).
@duncandmcgrath6290
@duncandmcgrath6290 7 лет назад
Honesty Counts If you are referring to destructive test procedures for Boeing a/c type certification per FAA then you are mistaken.
@horseunknown
@horseunknown 10 лет назад
"onetradgicstory: at least the guys math was right..." No, go and watch again. It was the FAASTeams math that was right. Unfortunately they had a chance to calculate only after the builder/pilot of that contraption was killed in the crash.
@bartofilms
@bartofilms 4 года назад
This is interesting, but also troublesome, as this individual should not have been allowed to build a staircase, let alone an aircraft. The exposed foam ribs in pics did not appear to even have fiberglass and resin reinforcement. How was such a plane given an air-worthiness certificate in the first place?
@TheJustinJ
@TheJustinJ 2 года назад
There are several kit airplanes with exposed foam ribs. Including Spacek SD-1 Mini Sport, Luciole MC-30. They simply glue 1 to 3mm plywood skins onto the foam. Even the ailerons and elevators are made this way. You can find Extruded Polystyrene (XPS) insulation foam boards with compressive strength from 15psi to 100psi. The cheapest pink foam at home depot is Owens "Foamular 150" which is the lowest end of the spectrum, and not an aircraft grade material by any means. (Im sure Owens would agree). That being said, the Burt Rutan designed Quickie Q1 utilized 2lb.ft^3 Polyurethane foam, which has a compressive strength around 20psi and was even weaker than XPS 15psi foam. Used PU foam, as it was easy to carve into a sleek fuselage shape. Those Q1s seem to hold up at least 30+ years. But also have 1-3 layers of fiberglass over the foam. There are several SD-1 and MC-30 with hundreds of hours. But I would not count on them lasting 30+ years.
@ianhatesyou
@ianhatesyou 6 лет назад
Plenty of airplanes have crashed that were built under the supervision of engineers. Even engineers make bonehead mistakes.
@lefthandedhardright8839
@lefthandedhardright8839 4 года назад
Excellent comment.
@samj1185
@samj1185 3 года назад
A segmented spar isn't by definition a spar. I don't know what I'd call it?
@ronjohnson303
@ronjohnson303 6 лет назад
This guy had no clue how to build a wing and his stupidity killed him
@philmoredennie526
@philmoredennie526 7 лет назад
Is there not a minimal structural integrity testing requirement in place to ensure components meet expected G loads for safe flight...common sense right?.
@fredeagle8766
@fredeagle8766 8 лет назад
a flying model builder would make a better job of it. what was he thinking ? even the pioneering builders put more thought and knowledge into it....he killed himself.
@warpigsbustedknucklegarage3683
If the FAA was around at the time of Wilbur and Orville we'd still be steaming across the oceans. There's no right or wrong way to fulfill one's dreams. As long as no one else is harmed it's nobody else's business if I want to build a plane made of bricks and fly in a hurricane. If I die it's on me. It's called freedom, the free will to determine my course in my life.
@douglasanderson1276
@douglasanderson1276 7 лет назад
I don't care if a person designs and builds and crashes his own aircraft. But it does affect us all in the experimental aircraft world the faa/government will get more involved. And this guy sold his other aircraft.
@doranjaffas9645
@doranjaffas9645 7 лет назад
Strongly disagree....everything we do affects others and in particular in aviation. If you die through ignorance or stupidity....you may be gone but others suffer the effects from your bad decisions...so..as a responsible adults..it is our RESPONSIBILITY to exercise our rights and freedoms with thought to others.
@erichhartmann1
@erichhartmann1 7 лет назад
WarPig's Busted Knuckle Garage No, that would not happen because the FAA wouldn't allow you for a couple of reasons. Number 1, you say that you would not kill anyone. How would you know that? The truth is that before you fly your plane there is no certainty that no one would die which is why the FAA makes sure all aircraft are safe and that the pilots are safe. Number 2, the FAA would nit approve a brick plane. It's your rights to own an airplane and follow the rules, not to do whatever you want and put other people's lives at risk.
@doranjaffas9645
@doranjaffas9645 7 лет назад
Erich Hartmann Absolutely agree in spades. I was told by a well respected inspector that he would give an airworthiness certificate to a broom stick with an engine if someone is crazy enough to fly it....however the test period would be huge and the area very restrictive...even with that...ones life is not ones for the taking. Others are involved with ones problems after a decision leads to their demise. Common sense dictates and if there is none...stick with model cars...please.
@lostindiancamp
@lostindiancamp 6 лет назад
No one cares if you die, but you just might take an innocent person with you when your poor design falls out of the sky onto someone else's house or car or person.
@jekekefe5923
@jekekefe5923 2 года назад
Did he ever do a wing load test?
@Aviator168
@Aviator168 12 лет назад
Is there a full presentation on youtube?
@unapro3
@unapro3 12 лет назад
Unfortunately with freedom comes responsibility, that is, the freedom the FAA gives you with the homebuilt regulations to design and fly your own aircraft, also gives you the builder, the responsibility to ensure that your design meets with established aeronautical calculations so the finished product exceeds the expected loads during flight. Sadly, this was not the case with this gentleman.
@cdreid99999
@cdreid99999 5 лет назад
Testing by jumping up and down on it is nuts..as in using luan plywood thats literally garbage. If i designed a plane id test it to 4 or 5 g's just off the top of my head. Youre landing at 40 to 80 mph and may drop from 10 feet to 0 in a half second. Im betting thats 3gs minimum. And you do a hard banking turn and the wrong wind gust hits a wing/s.... This guy was nuts
@alfaspiderveloce6617
@alfaspiderveloce6617 5 лет назад
Do you consider Boeing's 737 Max just another experimental aircraft? FAA was not on the ball?
@1958HHH
@1958HHH Год назад
For his plywood he used Home Depot door skins. Nuff said.
@vet6822
@vet6822 6 лет назад
the builder should have to answer for his continued mistakes.
@Waveluth
@Waveluth 3 года назад
It’s unfortunate that the builder was not given some professional advice. That wing system was doomed to failure before it left the ground. If constructed properly the use of foam, fiberglass and or graphite reinforced sheathing this plane would have been fine. How sad for the builder and his fate. I’m sorry he or she met their end so unnecessarily. Build it better than ever and you can enjoy flying for years. Bloody shame ! ✌🏻🇺🇸
@briana3467
@briana3467 Год назад
You can never have too much spar.
@tiredowalkin
@tiredowalkin 6 лет назад
I have a friend that took me a ride in his A-36 Bonanza, we were discussing Experimental airplanes because I had purchased one, his words were...."I will read about you"
@mouser485
@mouser485 4 года назад
The link for entire presentation is here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IJViWG2ZYd4.html He begins discussing this accident about the 14:50 mark but doesn’t add anymore info to it. However, he does talk about other interesting aspects of home built aircraft.
@augustocomunien1357
@augustocomunien1357 10 лет назад
Gambiarreiro... Alberto Santo Dument fez um avião de bambu e voou melhor do que certas gambiarras que voam por ai. Com toda a tecnologia atual.
@madisonelectronic
@madisonelectronic 11 лет назад
In the 60's I made a large parachute, intending to toss the family cat out the top window of the house. Thankfully I tried it with a large brick first cause I ........
@SteveWrightNZ
@SteveWrightNZ 8 лет назад
1.28g 20 degree bank LOL!!!
@ktrez2000
@ktrez2000 7 лет назад
While the builder had skill with tools, he obviously lacked the logic and rational thinking that would make a successful design that was safe. I suspect he fell into the category of a hyper optomistic person.
@scottpecora371
@scottpecora371 3 года назад
You mean, Moron!
@FernandoSilva-hm1uy
@FernandoSilva-hm1uy 7 лет назад
The guy prepared the right cocktail for disaster... no more, no less...
@tomthompson7400
@tomthompson7400 4 года назад
shame but people who dont know , shouldnt . danger is when you get people who dont know that they dont know.
@PDZ1122
@PDZ1122 7 лет назад
Did the FAA inspector or DAR have any clue what he was looking at when he signed off this airplane? A tiny bit of engineering knowledge might have helped here. Not just making sure the paperwork and placards are all there. Yeah, yeah, I know - "not my job!"
@bufordt.justice4052
@bufordt.justice4052 3 года назад
At 1.2 g's the wing should have folded.....and it did. Oh My Gosh !
@therealborischang
@therealborischang 8 лет назад
I don't think I would ever buy an aircraft designed/built by an individual and trust my life to it. Not unless that individual was Burt Rutan maybe.
@cdreid99999
@cdreid99999 5 лет назад
Kitfox's and avids anongst others have fantastic reputations. Your concerns would be the quality of the welds and making sure they didnt take shortcuts . if you sat in, examined my avid youd be impressed w the strength .
@louisvanrijn3964
@louisvanrijn3964 4 года назад
A very informative lecture indeed. Test your wing to at least 3.8 G...(=light aircraft level). Fracture G level must be 5.7 G or higher. (=1.5 * 3.8 G) In the end the lecturer makes a small mistake. The stress calculation shows 1.92 G ultimate load and hence 1.92 / 1.5 = 1.28 G limit load. A structure has to show ultimate load for at least 3 seconds. So ... a near 60 degree turn would be the limit. Anyhow ..informative.
@2Phast4Rocket
@2Phast4Rocket 6 лет назад
good new modern kit planes are much safer than the old certified airplanes. since there are no more economical certified airplanes left, people resort to buy low priced older certified planes are corroded and they are basically flying death beds. Newly build EAB kit planes are new, and they are equiped with the latest avionics.
@fasteddy4929
@fasteddy4929 5 лет назад
2Phast4Rocket, properly maintained older airplanes are safe. The key word being properly.
@dieseltu1035
@dieseltu1035 4 года назад
A lot of false premises there.
@davidmiller5832
@davidmiller5832 5 лет назад
So, I cant even build a 3' high fence around my yard with certified structural drawings approved from the county. But you can draw up plans, build a plane and fly it at a local airport??!!! WTF?
@cdreid99999
@cdreid99999 5 лет назад
Youre risking ypur own life. Why should we have to get approval from some dude w a certificate? Per ypur implied mindset we wouldnt have planes or automobiles because their inventors wouldnt have been allowed to build them. There are a LOT of experimental that far outclass their commercial counterparts in every way. Google DRACO stol. The best stol aircraft on the planet. Experimental. Designed from scratch by a hobbyist who routinely radically changes it
@keithalaird
@keithalaird 3 года назад
Has to do with some of the inane defects in the Professional Engineering laws in many states. (I am A P.E. btw.) You have to have signed and sealed drawings for a residential air conditioner installation, but a car, airplane, refrigerator, or hair dryer is a “manufactured item” and is exempt.
@PeterPasieka
@PeterPasieka 10 лет назад
Sad, but something is missing here. How did the FAA license this airplane without proper paperwork & inspections? In Canada first step in building a home-built airplane (amateur build) is a letter of intent. Second step is a pre-cover inspection which would revealed luck of proper spar. But anyway, an unnecessary loss of life.
@roym.295
@roym.295 9 лет назад
Peter Pasieka The airplane does not appear to have a N-number. In order to be a certified experimental airplane and have an N-number the builder must submit a build log with photographs, expense report, etc. to prove that he or she built more than 50% of the airplane themselves. The more documentation you have, the easier it is to get Federal Aviation Administration certification. At that point you generally have at least a Sport Pilot's, and probably participate in the EAA and other enthusiast groups. There is the possibility that it's a FAR 103 compliant ultralight, which do not require such certifications. Kits and designs generally get certified anyways as a selling point, but individual ultralights do not as they are not legally considered aircraft, being originally motor powered hanggliders and needing to be built with fuel tank of less than or equal to 5 US gallons and a range of less than 60 statue miles at cruising power, flying in unurbanized areas of the US to minimize the risk to others.
@raoulcruz4404
@raoulcruz4404 8 лет назад
The hard landing sped up the failure time. That wing was inadequately designed and would fail soon. Look closely at the presentation and the design calculations. A steep turn, 60 degree bank, which is a normal aircraft maneuver would stress that aircraft above it's design limit.
@JohnSmith-ek7jq
@JohnSmith-ek7jq 6 лет назад
It may not have been approved for flight or issued an N number. I have read several accident reports of home jolts that crashed that were never registered. I have also read of several homebuilts that were built and flown off of farm strips and have never been registered, but have also never flown anywhere but around the owner's property.
@lostindiancamp
@lostindiancamp 6 лет назад
You can't really believe that he got this plane inspected and approved by anyone from the FAA do you?
@Tonnsfabrication
@Tonnsfabrication 7 лет назад
Are you going to aircraft spruce? Hell no, I'm going to home depot, certified aircraft grade wood is a scam everybody knows that. Hand me the Elmers glue, don't you want aircraft grade epoxy? Dude don't start with that shit again it's all the same thing, I promise you this thing will fly.
@charliejeans2413
@charliejeans2413 5 лет назад
@ 1.28 kg wing loading it should have folded on the first take off ?
@choppergirl
@choppergirl 10 лет назад
How did you do the math to determine at what G's a wing will fold?
@mcjon77
@mcjon77 10 лет назад
I didn't do the math myself, the presenter did. However, there is a really great book called "Stress Without Tears" that shows exactly how to do this type of math. It is very easy to read, requiring only high school math to understand.
@choppergirl
@choppergirl 8 лет назад
Johnny Tobifour good UN... I was thinking more like put sandbags you knew the weight of on the wings while you were safely on the ground until they failed. I know crazy right? What was I thinking. Much more fun to pull the G's
@LorddGray
@LorddGray 8 лет назад
+Johnny Tobifour Sorry, but you're talking nonsense. The reference to a 60° bank (coordinated) producing 2Gs of load on the craft is talking about how steeply the aircraft is banked (a line drawn through the wingtips would be 60° from level). The G-loading on the aircraft increases on a curve and approaches infinity as the angle of bank approaches 90°. If you rotate the craft beyond 90° then it's actually inverted and it is impossible the achieve a coordinated bank with positive G forces. So really hope you were kidding.
@TheJustinJ
@TheJustinJ 2 года назад
"People would rather Die than Think" - Wolfgang Langewiesche. (Book: Stick and Rudder). This builder, I refrain to use the term "Designer", obviously had an absolute aversion to elementary beam theory. He had no interest in learning simplified statics, or mechanics of materials. Any book on any one of these subjects would have provided infinitely more knowledge than he possessed. And even if he had an acute Allergic reaction to Math, he could have loaded the wing with sand bags to check that they could hold up at least 6 times the gross weight of the aircraft. But again, that takes math. It also requires knowing the weight of the loaded aircraft, with you in it. Which also requires math. Rather Die than Think. Apt description of this situation.
@petercyr3508
@petercyr3508 4 года назад
Darwin award candidate.
@danaharrison6016
@danaharrison6016 3 года назад
Talk about suicidal tendicies!!!!!!
@rogerbivins9144
@rogerbivins9144 3 года назад
So, he jumped up and down on the airplane and yet STILL couldn't figure out why it was LEAKING.......WTF!?? And there must surely be something off in their math, or else this pos plane made 5 flights without ever once exceeding 1.28 g's of wing loading. It's hard to believe someone with such little understand of the most basic design concept could have survived multiple projects.
@Majorvideonut2
@Majorvideonut2 7 лет назад
Question. Did the FAA provide easy to obtain proven build information on the construction of an aircraft? Is this information online for all to find and for others to encourage the use of such information? Or is this condemnation of a dead man who had no access to proper knowledge or help in the construction but made an effort to do so because he wanted to build an aircraft and fly it? I'm thinking it is the latter... am I wrong?
@TVCanT
@TVCanT 7 лет назад
There is plenty of knowledge accessible in the world online and otherwise to build a plane that is flight worthy. A postmortem is meant for learning to try and not repeat the same failures. Post mortems are done when an airliner goes down whether it is pilot error, design problem or maintenance problem. But judging by the things this builder did, he was just a hack trying stuff until he got himself killed without adequately educating himself. Blame game and lawyers....so here is a question...which country is known throughout the world for the blame game and lawyers?
@Majorvideonut2
@Majorvideonut2 7 лет назад
If the information from the inspectors is available then there is no fault except the builder. We pay our hard earned tax money to feed these inspectors so we should receive something for our money beside criticism.
@raoulcruz4404
@raoulcruz4404 7 лет назад
There is considerable information on aircraft design and construction available online from the FAA. There is an excellent, nearly boundless, resource through the EAA to it's members. (Membership is $40 per year).
@leeroyholloway4277
@leeroyholloway4277 3 года назад
That's called "chlorine in the gene pool"
@zhaazaaa
@zhaazaaa 3 года назад
He made a serious mistake in the spar. But i respect for his death
@endwood
@endwood 4 года назад
Stupid is as stupid does! The fools demise might ha e saved someone else's life at a latter date!
@onethousandtwonortheast8848
@onethousandtwonortheast8848 3 года назад
Wow. Just wow. All that work to make a plane and you’re being unconventional.
@ScoutSniper3124
@ScoutSniper3124 7 лет назад
There's more than a design failure here, what about the FAA certification inspection? Someone, supposedly knowledgeable and licenced by the Government had to look over his plans, and the aircraft itself, and somehow, inexplicably sign the man's death warrant. Don't get me wrong, the designer has himself to blame for his death, at least the majority of that blame.
@rcbif101
@rcbif101 7 лет назад
Ryan Taylor - no inspection if under far 103.
@ScoutSniper3124
@ScoutSniper3124 7 лет назад
Thank you for the info, I checked the FAA web page regarding FAR 103. I find this amazing, since it means that someone with ZERO experience, and ZERO knowledge of aircraft design can slap anything together (providing it is within the specs. of an ultralight for speed, and weight), and basically build their own coffin. I'm not a big fan of government regulation, but aircraft have the potential to kill not only the pilot but anyone unlucky enough to be in the impact zone.
@rogervoss4877
@rogervoss4877 7 лет назад
Drone registration is currently not required, for private 'model aircraft' category units. Fought in Court and the 2012 federal law exempting model aircraft signed off on during the Obama administration won out over the FAA requirement (May 2017 case). This was primarily for tracking ones used in illegal locations that crashed & were recovered. More useful as a reminder to legal users of the rules they sign off on when registering and that they may be caught if violating them than for any prevention of intentional illegal use.
@raoulcruz4404
@raoulcruz4404 7 лет назад
I don't see a Registration number on the aircraft , the builder may not have had the required inspection. He built it and he flew it.
@stephenwalton7079
@stephenwalton7079 3 года назад
Under current FAA Regs, an individual can design/build an aircraft from scratch with very few regulatory requirements. In this case, with no inspection covers, a DAR had no way to inspect the structure as finished. The required builders log might have given a clue but even then the nature of the spar design may not have been apparent. Incredibly, even engineering calculations are not required. TLAR, that looks about right, is acceptable. The EAA is a tremendous resource for anyone interested in anything from a powered parachute to a super sonic jet. Everything from first hand experience in fabrication to design expertise. And for the most part, it costs almost nothing. Unfortunately, some folks insist on their independence and get into trouble. One I’m familiar with is a fellow that plans built a beautiful amphibian out of wood. First rate wood working. The DAR asked what adhesive was used. The answer, “Elmer’s.”(That’s a common water based general purpose glue.) The DAR thought it was a joke. It wasn’t. This builder had attended one local EAA chapter meeting, brought something for “Show and Tell,” that was below par workmanship wise. Some fellows tried diplomatically to show him the problems but he wouldn’t hear it. Spent six years building a one to one scale model of an airplane designed to operate on water with a water based glue. The DAR told the guy to take a chain saw to it. You got to admire the passion but even the Wright Brothers got outside help when they needed it.
@christopherphillipskeates290
@christopherphillipskeates290 11 лет назад
gesssssss how many gssssssssssssss is tghis who did it ???? skeatesy
@6h471
@6h471 6 лет назад
When R/Cers design a full scale airplane.
@duncandmcgrath6290
@duncandmcgrath6290 7 лет назад
The departed built a static model a/c
@FPVREVIEWS
@FPVREVIEWS 7 лет назад
yes, the airplane was never airworthy, but the obvious disdain that is expressed by the government worker presenting this info, towards the public is equally disgusting. My model airplanes are designed and built better than this, but it's none of the government's business if i'm not endangering anyone. they hav eno real interest in my safety anyway, unless they can charge me for it, or make new rules that they can make money enforcing. right now they are trying to ruin aviation, and discourage anyone from flying in anything other than a commercial aircraft. The FAA is supposed to promote aviation. It does not look like they are doing that.
@josebatista5188
@josebatista5188 7 лет назад
They are promoting aviation. Do you think they should stay silent about bad construction practices?
@JohnSmith-ek7jq
@JohnSmith-ek7jq 6 лет назад
You would indeed be endangering others when the airplane, RC or full scale flew, unless of course, you are flying over a completely isolated area which is unlikely.
@rotorheadv8
@rotorheadv8 6 лет назад
They don’t let you operate just anything with an engine and wheels on a road. It has to meet certain safety standards and guidelines. The same goes for aircraft. The pilot built His plane with, evidently, zero regard to basic structural integrity.
@jonesjones7057
@jonesjones7057 6 лет назад
Yeah not a huge fan of regulation but I don't want you flyin over my house in a POS like this either. People building junk like this are exactly how and why the government gets control to regulate, because SOME people wont regulate themselves and kill others in the process.
@ivanabcdefg9375
@ivanabcdefg9375 6 лет назад
No, the government controls and regulates things because they are no longer bridled by the constitution. Scope creep has brought us into a hyper regulatory illegal-everything world. And we have people like jones here, and jose batista, and john smith, and rotorheadv8, who "internalize" and "normalize" the illegal-everything world they grew up in, and champion more of the same. Thank God we got Trump to tamp down the government as much as he can in 8 years. God help him stack the Supreme Court so it will stay tamped down for most of the rest of my life, at least.
@JohnJ-fj2xe
@JohnJ-fj2xe 3 года назад
Darwinism in action...
@1rifter
@1rifter 7 лет назад
Leave aircraft building to trained and experienced engineers and builders!
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