Lol I don't think that was that Imhotep. The Great Pyramid is shown complete in the Bronze Age scenes and he's only described as a priest of the pharoah's cult. 😜
One of my favorite dynasties! Recently, they opened the underground of the stepped pyramid to the public, which means one thing - I have to return to Saqqara soon 🎥. Thanks for the great video
So, if Djoser was the son of Khasekhemwy (@2:45), why are they not in the same Dynasty? I thought Dynasties were delineated by breaks in familial lines of succession. (I was thinking maybe because he was not the son of the great wife but then Mankaure's son of a minor wife was deemed a pharaoh of the fourth, so???)
If the third dynasty are thought to be descended from Khasemwy, why are they counted as a new dynasty rather than a continuation of the second dynasty? Is this a leftover from a previous time before their relationship with Khasemwy was first postulated?
Agreed, it is a bit confusing since they seemed to have been father and son. I am assuming it have something to do with the chaos of the second dynasty and the relative calm at the third but that still sound like a weak reason. It was probably a decision by an ancient scholar who wanted to make a nice and clear history of the earlier dynasties in the late kingdom period. He likely wanted a simplified system based on how Egypt worked during the different periods instead based on blood. Then again, that is just me guessing but we are just at the third dynasty so far and the border between all these dynasties seems to be pretty made up, the first 3 could just as well be counted as a single dynasty.
I looked it up and from what I can find, there was a period of civil war, so I think its called the third dynasty because there wasn't a simple transition of power
@@treekangaroo.7691 Possibly but the power did stay in the hands of the same family so it isn't what we would call a different dynasty today, like the Plantagenet, Tudor or Windsor. The likely is that some scribe decided it, and there might have been a silly reason like giving the current Dynasty a lucky number or something similarly weird. It certainly is not as clear as when the Nubian or Ptolemaic dynasties took power, that is for sure. Really, if a modern historian would have created the system the first 3 dynasties would likely have been the same but this is how the Ancient Egyptians saw things (but it was probably not decided until far later then the third dynasty).
The reason was Manetho. He „invented“ the Dynasties. See them rather as Periods abs it’ll make more sense. For the Later Dynasties it’s true they are families. But it’s more about Power Centers and periods then Dynasties in a modern sense.
Good job! We may assume that those successions between brothers must have been red hot with personal and political conflict... One thing that couldn't be stressed enough is that grouping the kings into dynasties was done "after the fact", many centuries later (probably based on discontinuities of seat/family lines). They didn't contemporaneously recognize dynasties, but a continuous divine line...
Adriano Kury - Heard that ancients Egyptians weren't warlike. They developed a standing army at least a thousand years after its formation. Perhaps there was a flow, let's assume the best and not project our negativity onto them. I have a tendency to think the civilization wouldn't have lasted as long if they were aggressive in nature. Chaos destroys.
So glad to return this Egypt series! As the next dynasty is the Giza builder Fourth Dynasty, could you make many appearances of this dynasty statues like The Seated Scribe and Statue of Kaaper? Those statues are very realistic and mind-blowing that it was older in age from Cleopatra times than Cleopatra to now. Edit : words
But what about Nebka? If Djoser was the first king of the dynasty then either Nebka is mythical, out of order, or a mistaken later usage of an alternative name for one of the others. Perhaps Djoser since he was so significant.
In actuality you are correct. However, oftentimes new dynasties come not necessarily due to a new royal house coming to power but rather symbolize a new beginning in Egyptian history - such as this - the Old Kingdom. They did the same with the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Dynasties, as they are the same dynasties.
@@real_yunicellular "Oftentimes new dynasties come not necessarily due to a new royal house coming to power but rather symbolize a new beginning in Egyptian history" - I realized this after watching many more of Cy's videos.
@@CharlesOffdensen Yeah, keep in mind though that I believe after Nynetjer’s death, there was a civil war where multiple dynasties fought, so the real Third Dynasty began with Seth-Peribsen (Possible father of Khasekhemwy)
I was originally very confused because the Abydos cartouche for Sekhemkhet read "T(e)ti" and Huni's translates to "Neferkar(e/a)", and then I was like "Oh, right. Pharaohs had like 5 names each. I feel bad for egyptologists..."
It's a little misleading to suggest that Djoser choosing to be buried at Saqqara was entirely new. The kings of the Second Dynasty were nearly all buried at Saqqara, aside from the last two, Peribsen and Khasekhemwy, who were the only Second Dynasty kings to return to the tradtional burial ground at Abydos.
Hi, thanks for stopping by and the comment, appreciate it! From what I have studied, the kings the second dynasty had cenotaphs at Saqqara, which were ceremonial and not their actual tombs (I think I talked about cenotaphs in the video on dynasty I). Their actual bodies were laid to rest in Abydos. I think that Egyptologist Toby Wilkinson is the main proponent of some early rulers being buried at Saqqara, but most Egyptologists to my knowledge hold to the claim that the bodies up until Djoser were all laid to rest in Upper Egypt, mostly Abydos. At least, this is what I have studied, but thanks for your insight, really appreciate it!
@@HistorywithCy That was believed to be the case for the First Dynasty for a while, though scholarship generally believes now that the Saqqara monuments were those of elites rather than kings and the kings were at Abydos. Second Dynasty kings were at Saqqara with the exception of Peribsen and Khasekhemwy. I'm doing a research paper right now on subsidiary burials and have been reading extensively on the subject. Why the Second Dynasty kings abandoned Abydos for Saqqara is an interesting question, as well as why Peribsen and Khasekhemwy then returned to Abydos. I suspect there may have been a change in ruling family or branch of the ruling family from Thinite to Memphite, and perhaps Peribsen and Khasekhemwy were trying to legitimate their rule by associating themselves with the traditional burial ground, though I haven't studied that question in detail, so that's only speculation on my part.
Thanks man, I hope I live up to that, especially since there're so many great history channels out there. Will do my best to give you all great historical content! Thanks for the support, seriously, you all are the best!
If Khasekhemwy was the last king of dynasty 2 and Djoser was the first king of dynasty 3 and they were father and son then what exactly separates Egyptian dynasties?
Why anybody ignore ,that for bringing the stones to the pyramid, egyptians changed the course of the Nil and for cut and shape the stone,they create acid,from a specific fermented plants.????
Haha thanks for watching! Yeah I don't know what the story is with notifications... RU-vid I guess does that. Glad you made it though and thanks for the support, really appreciate it!
Great video, as always! If I may give suggestion for a future video, do one explaining the naming of kings in ancient Egypt, why they had multiple names, it's uses and the meaning of it. Thank you!
Maybe in Memphis, Nebka's supporters were hessitant to concede the throne, so they had a big (lie) movement have him crowned, and treated him like the king. Just like Gregory XVII's followers.
Maybe the reason that you can't find the two mummies, of the latter portion of the Third Dynasty, is because it was a faux burial, as the Pre-Dynastic Kings did before the second civil war. Their real bodies were laid to rest in the South, in Abydos, but Saqqara held another "tomb", which was a symbolic one. They very well may be looking for them in the entirely wrong region of Kemet.
Wow I like your content. Editing and narrating make your channel my favorite. Your work should be admired . You are deserve more subscriber I hope you must gain 1 Million subscriber by the end of this year. Please keep continue this type of amazing work. Your admirable hard work and deep research make you the best channel on RU-vid.
Thanks! Check out the playlist for all of the dynasties up to 11...working on 12 at the moment and hope to have it out before month's end. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for more!
Haha thanks, though I'm not sure I'm worthy of that honor, but if I can increase your interest in this wonderful period of history, that is the best honor for me. Thanks so much for watching, really appreciate it! Dynasty VI coming out in a few days, stay tuned!
Happy to see new video. I've always wondered if Djoser, Imhotep and the early dynastic pharaohs had been influenced by Sumerians. The use of mud bricks and building mastabas would seem to indicate that they did
@@egy6434 The words 'never' and 'always' put brick walls up, instead of increasing investigation, imo, often later proven to be mistaken. Best saying? "We don't know."
Thank you! Yes, such contacts are most definitely possible, especially since items from Mesopotamia have been found in the Nile Valley and in tombs of kings and elites. Contact was probably indirect though and mostly through third party traders/merchants. With regard to buildings, I can't really say. Mastabas were built in Egypt even in predynastic times, so my guess is that they probably developed that design on their own and then by the time of Djoser, decided to elaborate on it by stacking several on top of each other, eventually evolving the design a century or so later to create a near perfect pyramid. That's my take anyway. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! More on the way, stay tuned and safe!
@@HistorywithCy The amazement for me, are that nearly identical ones are in S. America! Also, cannabis and cocain were found in Egypt. Weren't the continents closer? Perhaps these plants grew in the Sahara when it was a jungle? Wonderful questions!
@@ruthanneseven No. In fact South American and Egyptian pyramids are probably THE two opposite ways to make one, it would be hard to make structures more different while still using pyramid shape.
The greater groups of Dynasties could also take into account, besides the state of division of the kingdom, the seat of government. This way, Dynasty III would start the period of Dynasties based in Memphis (Jnbw-ḥḏ), as opposed to Thinis (tni).
That's a great question. The chronicles sometimes started a new dynasty from the same large family if the new king came from one of the minor wives or a different branch of the family. Thanks for watching, really appreciate it!
I believe Djoser was the pharaoh of Joseph, which brought in the wealth of Egypt to the pharaoh, I think scholars have got the time all messed up, if you just take the Bible you can find the events, you can see the rise off wealth and power, buildings and then fall to the hiksos without a battle. I wish they would take the events that match and then work the time in, but then God gets the credit and you can write a book since one flawless one exists
You say that the step pyramid was a tomb, then that the burial place of Djoser never was found. It does not compute. Did they ever find any remains at all under the pyramid??
@@tumppigo ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gBpUU5uqIi8.html In this video, the narrator states at least 5 instances in which partial mummified remains were found in pyramids. I've also heard that an Islamic explorer who investigated Khufu's pyramid (I forget exactly when this occurred, but I believe it was around the 9th century) reported that a mummy was found in the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber of Khufu's pyramid but, not surprisingly, hundreds to 1000+ years later in subsequent explorations no remains have been found. Pyramids and other burial tombs of pharaohs were basically ALWAYS eventually invaded and robbed multiple times -- if not relatively soon after the burial, then sometime during the thousands of years afterward. Mummies have been burned or otherwise destroyed, mummies have been taken and sold to collectors, and mummies have been relocated from their original tombs en masse, particularly during the period when royals were buried in underground tombs in the Valley of the Kings.
Hi thanks for stopping by, appreciate it. No, I don't remember saying anything about Djoser's body - I did say that the remains of Imhotep, Sekhemkhet and Khaba have not been found. In Djoser's tomb area archaeologists discovered a partially mummified arm that they believed belonged to him as well as some remains of his family members. Like @brenspin pointed out, over the millennia these pyramids were looted by grave robbers, and so very little of what was actually inside the burial chambers still remains (or remained by the time archaeologists got there). That's why Tutankhamun's tomb was so special - it was one of the few that remained untouched by graver robbers with everything inside still intact. Thanks again for watching, appreciate it!
Thanks, glad you liked it! For sure, the next video will actually have tomb paintings in it, but it's not on a particular dynasty but food and drink in ancient Egypt. It's more on the social history of the Egypt and has some really cool artwork and artifacts in it. Hope that you enjoy it and thanks for watching this video, appreciate it!
fun fact, imhotep has a strong resemblence to Jacob son of Isaac, son of Abraham, both arent raised in egypt, both served as councelers to pharao and both built storage places for grains during a 7 year famine, Jacob had predicted that the seven year famine was coming and that the Eternal (Yahweh) brought an end to it, to conclude, Jacob and imhotep where probably the same person
The stories of Imhotep's apotheosis make me wonder if Egyptians of the late antiqutiy had the same myths about the older kingdoms as us. Some people today think the Pyramids must have been constructed by aliens. Maybe Ancient Egyptians believed that the pyramids could only have been constructed by a god.
There was always an element of "propaganda" in Egyptian relating. An example would be say depictions on temple walls of Pharaohs as great conquerors in battle against the enemies of Egypt. That does not mean that the battle was not real and the Egyptians were not victorious - simply that they sometimes took _"poetic license."_ Also by the Late Period Egypt was weak as the was New Kingdom waning. The Egyptians of that period saw a resurgence in belief in _"the Old Gods"_ - meaning viewing the Old Kingdom Pharaohs are powerful Gods whom they prayed to for deliverance to make Egypt great again. So recorded history from this period extols those old Pharaohs like Menkaure etc. as benevolent Gods while sites like the Giza necropolis saw some renovations occur. So yes it is possible the later accounts of early history might be "embellished" a bit. As with any civilization on the wane some look back to the halcyon days of the past with fondness and their stories reflect this bias. The trick is to sift through that to discern between what was real and what was not. The Egyptians viewed the pyramids as tombs - AND - as "God machines" which turned the Pharaoh after death into a divine being. 🤨 _"To say the words: "Lift up your face, you Gods who are in the Duat! Unas has come, that you might see him having become a great god. Lead (jbs = introduce, initiate) Unas with trembling attire, Unas who has honored you all when he gave orders to men! Unas (now) judges those who live in the land (jdb, shore) of Re. Unas speaks to this Pure Land after having taken a seat there, together with Him-who-separated-the-two-Gods (nTr.wj) (= Thoth)."_ - excerpt of pyramid texts.
