Ancient Texts That Were FAKED

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@WorldofAntiquity 3 месяца назад

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@gorillaguerillaDK 3 месяца назад

Imagine 5000 years from now, a curious archeologists will start wondering what happened to all those Nigerian Royals, and if any of them ever got the assistance they needed and asked for….

@Crabby303 3 месяца назад

🤣

@varyolla435 3 месяца назад

That and all the "lottery" winners.......

@gorillaguerillaDK 3 месяца назад

@@varyolla435 Well, at least some of them are valid! Just last week someone won 100K Euro in the EuroLottery, and in April the Powerball paid 1.33 billion US dollars to a winning ticket... So I guess the future archeologists will wonder why, if almost everyone won lotteries, why was there so much poverty? But then again, one doesn't have to be an archaeologist 5000 years from now to ask that question!

@RollingCalf 3 месяца назад

O my God. And even giving out Phd's for filling in the gaps

@lucasslf 3 месяца назад

That's what bothers me a little bit, it's all digital, we are not leaving anything for the archaeologists to find in 5000 years...

@chrisball3778 3 месяца назад

I love the 'Michigan Relics' story. The objects were so badly made and obviously fraudulent that basically every real archaeologist who laid eyes on them called them out as fakes right away. But Scotford and Soper were so good at flim-flam that they managed to carry on their scam for decades. They knew exactly what their marks wanted (audience participation, religious mysticism and just a dash of white supremacy) and served it up in spades. If they were around today, they'd probably have a Netflix show and a series of bestselling alt history books.

@holdingpattern245 3 месяца назад

He didn't even kiln fire them, for God's sake.

@robertclarke71 3 месяца назад

There's a sucker born every minute?

@chrisball3778 3 месяца назад

@@holdingpattern245 Most of them honestly look like they were made by kids for a school project. They're often hilariously bad. Only someone who really wanted to believe in them would have.

@tommy-er6hh 3 месяца назад

@@chrisball3778 Don't forget, in USA there were all kinds of things to show the "lost tribes" were here, they wanted to show a connection to the old testament of the Bible.

@varyolla435 3 месяца назад

Yes. When one factors in when those fakes were "found" they see that from the late-19th Century to the earth 20th Century = _"Golden Age"_ of archeological forgeries. It was a period of supposed relics and other alleged proof of what was all the rage back then = pseudoscience. People back then ginned up all kinds of patent nostrums sold to rubes and quack therapies like hydrotherapy or magnetism etc.. There was a lot of excitement back then about supposed Eastern "esoterica" and other nonsense and hence people like Soper et al were simply trying to cash in much as today. Pseudoscience/history has been a business for a looong time now.

@heatherrocchi6232 3 месяца назад

This video is a lifesaver in the fraudulent seas of modern conspiracy, thanks for all you do

@lucasroche8639 Месяц назад

I agree.

@AverageAmerican Месяц назад

Conspiracy? There's nothing mystical or mysterious about conspiracy. It's just a big word for people gang-up on other people. Happens every single day!

@rishabhprasad5417 3 месяца назад

Love your videos, I would be grateful if you made videos on central asia- its probably the most underdiscussed and underappreciated regions of the world with a great ancient heritage and its people a mixture of various ancestral populations

@GizzyDillespee 3 месяца назад

Same here. It was behind the iron curtain for so long, and it's a vast area that wasn't always only yurts and nomads. Some of the most interesting areas are still ruled by dictatorships, warlords and/or religious zealots. But at least some isn't... right?!🤣

@johnnytr0uble 3 месяца назад

As far as the Jesus wife thing, if I'm not mistaken, that name was actually common for that time. It could just be some random dude named Jesus' wedding announcement 😂

@shadownet3d 3 месяца назад

Thanks!

@WorldofAntiquity 3 месяца назад

And thank you!

@Zeppelin2806 3 месяца назад

@@WorldofAntiquityI wasn’t wearing my readers, thought it said $1000..😂

@deewesthill1213 3 месяца назад

You or someone else should do timestamps with the name of each of the fake artifacts.

@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking 3 месяца назад

Yeah this is painful to try and return to the video and show someone a certain part...

@arielhamm-flores6893 3 месяца назад

you are becoming onr of the better you tuber right now

@alexcanduci3824 Месяц назад

Then there is the grand-daddy of them all. The Historia Augusta, a Latin text written in the early 5th century by a single author, claiming to be written during the early 4th century by six authors, about the Roman emperors of the late 2nd and 3rd centuries. Fake biographies, full of references to fake documents, quoting fake historians, and even making up fake emperors. The author even has the fake historians disagreeing with each other about a fake fact he has made up. This text deserves an episode on its own. Some of the stories about the emperors are simply mind-boggling...

@oldsailor83 3 месяца назад

Fantastic compilation

@deathdoor 3 месяца назад

Those first forged tablets... absurd, how could anyone be fooled by that?

@cedaremberr 3 месяца назад

He briefly touched on it, but I think the motivated reasoning of white supremacy had a big part in it

@PeachysMom 3 месяца назад

@@cedaremberrwhite supremacy is the root of so much charlatanry.

@MossyMozart 3 месяца назад

I guess it's like the "Piltdown man" - even though scientists said right away that if was a fake and within a year, published papers about that, it hung on so long because people really wanted to believe it. No Out-of-Africa for the Brits! ---------- Charles Dawson did not just fake Piltdown man, but had lots of others under his belt. He would make a great episode. There's a good starter article at the "Museum of Natural History" UK.

@mrjones2721 3 месяца назад

To be fair, Linear A and B tablets were often pretty crude, too. They were the ancient Cretan equivalent of scratch paper, so the writing was often large and messy. I can see people briefly being taken in by the fakes.

@Sevenigma777 3 месяца назад

Amazing we can read tablets created 5000 years ago but the tablets we make today won't even be able to turn on in a few decades or so lol

@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 3 месяца назад

Crikey, Doctor Dave! What is that infernal buzzing? {:o:O:}

@almitrahopkins1873 3 месяца назад

The Emerald Tablets of Thoth are a fake? Say it ain’t so so…. Next you’ll be saying the Book of Mormon isn’t an ancient Egyptian text.

@stephanterblanche4597 3 месяца назад

The Book of Mormon.

@JimMilton-ej6zi 2 месяца назад

"Bce" Stopped watching right there, there's nothing good to be learned from people who don't understand the historical significance of BC and AD.

@WorldofAntiquity 2 месяца назад

Then I have nothing to learn from your comment.

@JimMilton-ej6zi 2 месяца назад

@@WorldofAntiquity ok

@danielhopkins296 3 месяца назад

Thou art a marvelous repeater of others but liable to repeating untruths. Such as when you tried to debunk the book INDIA IN GREECE by Edward Pococke and claimed the author wrote in the 1600's when in actuality he wrote in the 1800's. Your repeating others who attempted to critique his work was even more off. Come on dud, whatever your conclusions , you should have given this dead man a fair hearing, shame on you !

@danielkrispin 3 месяца назад

Considering that the guy you mention only lived in the 1600s, I think it's probably you who are mistaken. Also, word of advice: if you start anything with an archaic 'thou art' you'll automatically be seen as a pretentious buffoon.

@PeachysMom 3 месяца назад

That’s quite a fancy word salad you got there

@danielhopkins296 3 месяца назад

@@danielkrispin the guy I mentioned wrote in the 1800's and those who go mute because of an archaic phrase are the real bafoons

@mrjones2721 3 месяца назад

When does he mention Pococke?

@mrjones2721 3 месяца назад

⁠@@danielkrispinNo, there was another author by that name in the 19th century. It’s an easy mistake to make, though. The 1600’s Edward Pococke was definitely the talented one.

@jaredthehawk3870 3 месяца назад

Ah, the Vimanika Shastra, one of Ancient Alien's favorites. It's not just fraudulent in composition and background, but the mechanics and engineering inside are also completely unworkable and incapable of flight.

@R0GUER0CK 3 месяца назад

unknown tecknology they were using. too advanced to comp.

@joshuahadams 3 месяца назад

@@R0GUER0CKif you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

@WerewolfEmerson 3 месяца назад

I can't believe I learned this from a Titan of all things.

@RipOffProductionsLLC 3 месяца назад

@@WerewolfEmerson "Titan"? Who or what is that?

@WerewolfEmerson 3 месяца назад

@@RipOffProductionsLLC Its OPs profile pic. Its a faction from the Universal Century of Gundam.

@lostpony4885 3 месяца назад

Why didnt the aliens do a better job on the forgeries? Quality seems to be a universal problem

@AverageAmerican Месяц назад

it was probably vampires they usually excel in forgeries

@BaronVonQuiply 3 месяца назад

I'm reminded of reading about the problem with ancient Greek statues. The Romans loved those statues. There were only so many to go around though... And you see, as it turns out... the Romans are rather ancient to us as well, so when you find an ancient forgery of an ancient statue.... well, they're both genuinely ancient.

@SalTarvitz 3 месяца назад

Except that's not remotely true and a convient tool to propagate fakes

@BaronVonQuiply 3 месяца назад

@@SalTarvitz Pointing out fakes was the point

@SiqueScarface 2 месяца назад

@@SalTarvitz Except the Romans indeed copied many Greek statues. I've worked in a museum once with many Roman copies of Greek artifacts.

@julietfischer5056 2 месяца назад

Genuinely ancient, but some are copies of others' work. These were done for commercial reasons rather than to mislead people.

@FischerNilsA 2 месяца назад

@@SalTarvitz It is. The romans had a literal mass-industry copying considerably older greek works. The majority of "ancient" greek style marble statues - dug up and sold as ancient - are copies done hundreds of years later for rich romans. It was an elite hobby to have these "greek" art pieces in your villa. And the copy-industry was highly profitable. They made far more all around the mediterranean for their 50 million people empire than the classical greek polis ever could.

@ZorValachan 3 месяца назад

Thanks again for pointing out the ones for which experts were fooled. It again shows that once evidence shows forgeries/fabrications, historians, archeologists, etc. are able to change their minds unlike pseudo- experts who stick to their beliefs.

@MossyMozart 3 месяца назад

Yes - they cling to those fabricated beliefs like grim death!

@PropagandalfderWeiße 3 месяца назад

Well there is a lot if BS in academia as well. To give just one example, I study Japanese studies and prehistoric archaeology. So I once read a paper where the author argued that warfare in the japanese kofun period wasnt a thing and that the horse harnesses, dozens of suits of armour, hundreds of swords and thousands of arrows found in graves were not evidence of warfare but that warfare was absent and the weapons were merely ritual. Her arguments simply showed an extreme lack of understanding how weapons, armour and warfare work. For example, she argued that there could have been no cavalry, because a) the terrain on the japanese islands was too hilly for cavalry b) the MOUNTAIN Fortresses that heavy cavalry was used for in Korea (where the Japanese Horse came from) didnt exist in Japan so there was no need for cavalry (so in Korea, the horses could go up mountains, but in Japan they couldnt?) c) there could not have been light cavalry, because the japanese bow (that is for mounted archery today and is today about double the length of kofun period bows) in the kofun period was too large for mounted cavalry and one couldn't shoot forward over the horses head because of its size (and we all know that shooting sideways opens up a wormhole, so it out of the question too!?) and these are just some of her absurd arguments, and yet, this was published in a kind of high profile journal here in Germany.

@PropagandalfderWeiße 3 месяца назад

@@jrojala Yeah, but a lot of people don't recognise that. The amount of arguments I had with people saying something like: "this was in a peer reviewed journal" as their main defense is crazy. Often if you critisize anything that was published in a journal, or a published study that is misinterpreted in the media or portrayed as argument in media, you are treated like a flat earther for critizising the holy and unfailible science. A lot of people today don't realize that there still are dogmas within science that are just as much belief systems as religions, that cannot be questioned without risking or loosing your career. I think it is important to point out that not everything published is fully agreed upon scientific consensus, and that even if it was scientific consensus, that still means it should be questioned. A 100 years ago it was scientific consensus that Asians are inferior to Europeans, or that women are hysteric because their uterus moves around in their body, or that the universe is static.

@julietfischer5056 2 месяца назад

@@PropagandalfderWeiße- Is she still quoted as an authority? Or did others point out all the problems with her thesis and demonstrate how and why she was wrong? Academics are human, and they will do things for very human motivations. That's why there's peer review.

@junjunjamore7735 3 месяца назад

Noah's illustrated "diary" tablet, found in Michigan, is the funniest thing I've heard in awhile.

@vaiyt 3 месяца назад

The fact America is nowhere in the Bible never sat well with exceptionalists...

@julietfischer5056 2 месяца назад

@@vaiyt- That's when some get creative and claim that the Old Testament kings and heroes were in what is now the United States.

@Boredman567 3 месяца назад

There's a noticeable buzzing sound at a few points in the video that make it harder to listen to. 40:08 - 41:23 52:54 - 53:54 54:13 - 54:21 55:04 - 55:16

@brazenatheist1676 3 месяца назад

Ohh yeah, that's bad. Sounds like a grounding problem that may have been on the recording though, so idk if it's fixable?

@hope1575 3 месяца назад

I heard that too, I wonder what caused it. Sounded like some weird electrical stuff going on

@sin1er 3 месяца назад

Fix please 😮

@elmacast7288 2 месяца назад

I was looking for this comment, I thought my phone broke 😭

@Cannibaltron 3 месяца назад

“Oh my goodness, ancient paradigm shattering relics that completely change the history of mankind as we know it!” “You wanna buy like 40 of ‘em?”

@HappyBeezerStudios 2 месяца назад

"And this is really the skull of Dschingis Khan?" "Absolutely." "And what about the smaller skull next to it?" "That is also the skull of Dschingis Khan, but when he was a child."

@Cannibaltron Месяц назад

@@HappyBeezerStudios lol!

@scribeslendy595 3 месяца назад

Forgeries like the Michigan Artifacts, and the religious baggage that drives their spread, reminds me of a quote by the effervescent Dr. Justin Sledge of ESOTERICA "When we allow our faith to dictate our history, we fail both"

@Crossword131 3 месяца назад

Big ups to Dr. J.

@Fr.O.G. 2 месяца назад

Sledge, on a related note, makes a reasonable argument that the Voynich Manuscript is a forgery, but that it's a medieval or early modern forgery.

@orsonzedd 3 месяца назад

To be fair in ancient race did once inhabit michigan, they were Native Americans

@Yertos 3 месяца назад

I hate how people even to this day won't believe in Aboriginal society in the Americas, it always has to be some people from the east.

@skybluskyblueify 3 месяца назад

The forgers made these fakes to disprove any idea that Native Americans could be related to ancients., At the time, many had been persecuted for centuries and therefore often seeming unsuited to be the ancestors of those that built what the forgers knew of as structures and works found over the years. Prejudice and a lack of true imagination for the capabilities of their fellow humans that don't look like the forgers of the time showed in spades. Right?

@Demane69 3 месяца назад

Surely you mean tall, angelic, white Lemurians or something similar?

@Lostboy811 3 месяца назад

No it was the lizard people

@NONANTI 3 месяца назад

Amaru Khans

@jaybirdjargon 3 месяца назад

Just stumbled onto this channel. Excellent work and discourse.

@oddjam 3 месяца назад

It's a fantastic channel. Glad you made it here

@nimmira 3 месяца назад

Yes, unfortunately, many Muslims do believe and argue about how authentic the Gospel of Barnabas is (and I'm a Muslim btw). I've read an Arabic translation of this gospel, translated by some Khaleel Sa'aadah, PhD (د. خليل سعادة) - in his lengthy introduction, the author or translator mentions some of the clues mentioned in this video beside other points; in conclusion, the author suggests that the original author was originally an Andalusian Jew, who converted to Christianity, but then became a Muslim (and he lists many points surrounding this theory).

@TheDanEdwards 3 месяца назад

How "authentic" is any gospel? None of the gospels that are canonical have known authors, and all of the copies we have show signs of being redacted. The thing about the Gospel of Barnabas is that it came several centuries after the 2nd and 3rd century gospels.

@LoudWaffle 3 месяца назад

@@TheDanEdwards The four canonical gospels are at least from the 1st century, though later than they present themselves as being written. In the sense that secular scholarship is quite sure none of them were written by actual direct disciples of Jesus, none are authentic, but they certainly contain accurate writings to what the early Christian communities were believing and telling each other about Jesus' life and teachings, which is what matters most for Christians afterwards anyways. Can contrast them against several of Paul's letters included in the New Testament, a handful of which can be pretty confidently said to NOT have been written by Paul, are called forgeries because they claimed to come from him. The Gospels on the other hand do not claim authorship; it was during the canonization process that people drew conclusions based on context about which disciple makes most sense to have written them, thus giving them their names.

@lenormand4967 3 месяца назад

@@TheDanEdwards The Didache is the Q source and precedes all the others. These were produced as teaching manuals.

@helenamcginty4920 3 месяца назад

@@LoudWaffle the trouble with the gospels is that there are so many lies told of Jesus' 1st 30 years that it is difficult once one knows this to accept that anything else is true. From the journey to Bethlehem onward. Plus who witnessed said angel announcing to Miriam? that her baby was the messiah. A man, note, not the son of God but the son of Man. The christians invented the idea that the messiah was half god half man. Maybe the Greeks who wrote the gospels were more at home with this idea from all the similar heroes like Herakles and Achiles in their own mythology.

@red20753 3 месяца назад

@@lenormand4967 Have you ever read the Didache? It quotes Matthew and no one thinks it was written before at least Mark and Matthew, it can't be Q. It doesn't even has the supposedly passages of Q, if it was an actual document at all

@lytalo 3 месяца назад

It’s funny, in the 19th century many fiction writers wrote fantastic fiction in the mode of a found manuscript usually from a deceased relative. Jules Verne, Edgar Rich Burroughs and others did this often. It was an interesting style that even bled over into the early 20th century pulp fiction. I enjoyed many of these stories but they were obviously fiction with no intention be taken as real. Too bad some people try to go further. I was hoping you might mention the infamous “Voynich Manuscript which gets some mileage on the so called History Channel.

@Crossword131 3 месяца назад

Would you include the Flashman chronicles in that genre? It was fiction based on real army reports of the 19th century (excellent and thoroughly un P.C.)

@francisnopantses1108 3 месяца назад

The Voynich Manuscript is real, but the story behind it is a lot more mundane than the conspiracy theory.

@Crossword131 3 месяца назад

@@francisnopantses1108 riiiight, like her chest is REAL because some surgeon put them there? Voynich is a fake.

@adrianblake8876 3 месяца назад

@@Crossword131 It was carbon dated to the 15th century, how is it a fake!?

@Crossword131 3 месяца назад

@@adrianblake8876 you can use old items to fake something in the current day. If I find 300yr old canvas, I'm on my way to faking a dutch master. Doesn't mean the whole thing is accurate just because the substrate is.

@Rando_Shyte 3 месяца назад

I appreciate your content. You and history for granite are how it should be. You gather data and facts and work forward. That is science. People who have an opinion and then work backwards from that, are spreading nonsense. That's not science.

@AverageAmerican Месяц назад

Sorry but that's not what science says. And the best logic is deduction! mhmm

@gregcollins7602 3 месяца назад

Very interesting. Do you have any examples that were thought to be fakes but turned out to be real?

@tecumsehcristero 3 месяца назад

I was waiting for you to get to the donation of Constantine. I’m Syrian Orthodox so all of us not in communion with Rome have always doubted the donation of Constantine

@alecblunden8615 2 месяца назад

@@tecumsehcristero Agreed. What is the use of dredging up minor deceptions and avoiding the greatest deception in history.

@welcometonebalia 3 месяца назад

38:45 Minor remark: "The Hounds of Tindalos" is not a short story by H.P. Lovecraft, but by Frank Belknap Long; it is a Lovecraftian story though, later included in the Tales of the Cthulhu Mythos anthology compiled by August Derleth. But I would add something: those lines seem to be taken directly from the Wikipedia article on the Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean... and I'm a bit suspicious of the claim? The Lovecraftian mythos stories didn't reach many readers in 1930 (and the two mentionned ones were published in 1929, very shortly before the publication of this forgery), Lovecraft was not a popular writer at the time, he would only gain celebrity years or even decades after his death in 1937. There were esoteric-minded people who were "inspired" by Lovecraft before that, this is true (some French surrealists in the 1950s, notably). So was he really an influence on Doreal? Was Doreal an avid reader of Weird Tales? Maybe, I don't know. But I'm a bit skeptical. The theosophical inspiration was enough, I think.

@GizzyDillespee 3 месяца назад

Would somebody who changed their name to DOREAL and channeled Thoth and wrote about Atlantis and Egypt and so on... would that guy, of all people, have read Weird Tales? IDK, but I wouldn't bet against it.

@WorldofAntiquity 3 месяца назад

Hmm thank you for pointing that out.

@welcometonebalia 3 месяца назад

@@GizzyDillespee Oh, that's a possibility for sure. But I don't really buy the claim about "the burgeoning popularity of the tales of H.P. Lovecraft" *in 1930*.

@pattheplanter 3 месяца назад

@@welcometonebalia I have also seen the date for Doreal's Emerald Tablet given as 1939. 1930 is the date given in the description of an Internet Archive version but the text itself only says "Originally published in mimeographed form in the 1930s by a mysterious "Dr. Doreal," these writings quickly became an underground sensation among esotoricists of the time." in an uncredited introduction. No publication date given anywhere else. Doreal had a letter published in the October 1946 edition of Amazing Stories, he may have been a science fiction fan. Others have suggested that Tarzan at the Earth's Core (1930) was another inspiration. Jeb J Card's article is not linked in the Wikipedia page but can be found online. Sadly, they do not go into details. The only relevant part is "Doreal claimed his secret knowledge came from the ‘Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean’, a text allegedly found in the Great Pyramid of Giza, though there are clear borrowings in Doreal’s text from Lovecraft’s ‘The Dunwich Horror’ and Lovecraft circle author Frank Belknap Long in his ‘The Hounds of Tindalos’." Both Doreal and Long's works are available online, so could be compared.

@welcometonebalia 3 месяца назад

@@pattheplanter Thank you.

@randomjunks1198 3 месяца назад

I figure in 1000 years archaeologist will be digging up our places of worship a place called McDonald’s of the great golden arches😂

@MisterApol 3 месяца назад

Then there are what might be called reverse forgeries, like the Mormon alleged translation of the so-called "Book of Abraham." The papyrus is real, the "translation" is fake.

@thehelluvaparty563 3 месяца назад

Using your own likeness and voice on camera destroys the whole AI counterfeit history narrative. Keep it up.

@Original_Edition 3 месяца назад

Just wait until the AI gets better

@GizzyDillespee 3 месяца назад

I do agree that it helps... unfortunately, the very act of doing this opens his videos up to become training data for AI impersonation. So far, they've been focusing on bigger celebrities🤪 but all it takes is 1 person to want to try. I don't think it would pay off for a forger to make a fake WoA videos, for example in order to legitimize their wares, because a forged video would be discovered, and once word got around, it would leave no doubt about the artifacts in question.

@lostpony4885 3 месяца назад

Yeah this channel has really good ai.

@a-nus 3 месяца назад

Stop fearmongering against AI.

@Arrendle 3 месяца назад

Great show! Fascinating what people will do for a buck.

@aliciaflood2908 2 месяца назад

Some Spanish guy: brooo look I stole this from the Vatican Guy 2: whoa but how’d you do it without getting caught?? Guy 1: uhhhhhh the pope was, asleep. Yeah

@AutoReport1 3 месяца назад

Makes it hard to decipher unknown languages when half the texts are fake.

@ironcladranchandforge7292 3 месяца назад

Speaking of fakes, UnchartedX came out with a new comedy, oops, I mean video yesterday. 🤦

@CarlTuckersonn 3 месяца назад

One day some archeologist will find my ancient spoof texts that were fake on one of my old throwaway phones 😂😂

@Lostboy811 3 месяца назад

But what about the lizard people

@satchell78 3 месяца назад

Cease your investigation immediately

@jaredthehawk3870 3 месяца назад

Dr. Miano did a collaboration video on that with Trey the Explainer on his channel. It's a very good watch.

@BreuNoir 3 месяца назад

Thank you for continuing to be entertaining AND educational.

@Erlrantandrage 3 месяца назад

Omg the Michigan Relics and the RLDS church! That's my church. I'm 40 and I remember talking about the Michigan Relics when I was a kid, but only by the most fringe believers. Now we're known as the Community of Christ and our focus is peace and community building not crackpot archeology.

@MrEnjoivolcom1 3 месяца назад

Was raised in the LDS church my entire life. Began to see common sense around late teens to mid 20’s.

@williamharris8367 3 месяца назад

Are there any Faith/Religious groups that _still_ support the authenticity of these artifacts?

@thylacinenv 3 месяца назад

Excellent presentation as always, thankyou David....Davenport Tablets, Kensington Stone and that old humbug the Voynich are well worth inclusion.

@contrarian8870 3 месяца назад

Not sure if I would call Voynich a "forgery", as it doesn't try to emulate anything known. It's made to look "mysterious", but it's not pretending to be written by someone previously known or from any previously known culture.

@Crossword131 3 месяца назад

@@contrarian8870I see your point, but then what would you call it? It can't be a forgery....a fake?

@tecumsehcristero 3 месяца назад

Before I converted to Christianity (Syrian Antiochian Orthodox) I was Sunni Muslim and we (me and friends at the masjid) always used to claim that The Gospel of Barnabas was the true gospel even though none of us ever read it. LOL

@kasturipillay6626 3 месяца назад

Only *genuine* people can make a great *forgery* 😊 Thanks Interesting content today. 👍❤

@snailrancher 3 месяца назад

Enjoyable video! There are even some ancient Egyptian texts that pretend to be from far older periods, or copies of more ancient texts. Two of the most famous are the Shabaqo Stone (aka, the Memphis Theology) and the Famine Stela. Both claim they are from the Old Kingdom (and the Shabaqo Stone is even written in faux Old Egyptian, but not very well), but are from Dynasty 25 and the Ptolemaic Period respectively. Another interesting forgery are two "historical" scarabs that have an Egyptian text claiming to describe a Phoenician expedition that circumnavigated Africa on behalf of Neko II (and described by Herodotus); they were sold to the Museum Kunst & Geschiedenis in Brussels, where they are now. The text was later identified as a 19th century forgery based on the Story of the Shipwrecked Sailor and Hatshepsut's Punt reliefs. However, it turns out that the scarabs and their texts were made as a birthday gift for an Egyptologist (who knew they were fake), but when he died, his family sold them, thinking they were genuine.

@mrjones2721 3 месяца назад

That’s charming. You have to wonder how many “forgeries” will eventually make their way into museums from the collections of reenactors and history lovers.

@julietfischer5056 2 месяца назад

@@mrjones2721- With any luck, methods of analysis will have advanced to the point that artifacts can be dated to within a few decades so that modern copies and creations can be distinguished from authentic items.

@mattiasfagerlund 3 месяца назад

Makes me wonder what separates forgeries from divinely inspired writings... Loved the episode!

@PeachysMom 3 месяца назад

Exactly

@MossyMozart 3 месяца назад

Hmmmmmmm.....^_^

@zufalllx 3 месяца назад

Usually about 1000 years

@kaleidoscopekayley 2 месяца назад

Honestly, I think sometimes people just get so excited about potentially discovering something that they overlook any red flags. Especially experts that have worked their whole lives to find something potentially life-changing.

@williambeckett6336 2 месяца назад

It should be noted that in regards to the "Michigan artifacts" that area is a heavily christian area with many bizaare Jehovah's witness splinter cults. A very culty area stewing in its own fantasies.

@anitapollard1627 3 месяца назад

Thank you, Dr. David! Please link me up to your vid on the real Emerald Tablet 🥰 thank you.

@WorldofAntiquity 3 месяца назад

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@anitapollard1627 3 месяца назад

Thank you!!

@Yertos 3 месяца назад

Great video! Would you consider doing a follow up on more examples or important examples of recent finds that are not forgeries?

@moona-202 3 месяца назад

I haven't watched the video in full, but I couldn't help but notice that the section on the Michigan relics is almost entirely quoted from Wikipedia, but jumping around sections and changing the wording a bit.

@sixeses 3 месяца назад

WOW, thanks Dr. Miano. I had no idea that this sort of thing was happening so far back into the past.

@susancottman9686 Месяц назад

Some of the marks on the Michigan "relics" look like they were made with golf tees.🤣

@el.blanco552 3 месяца назад

This was a great video, i have no idea this didn't show up in my feed, videos like this need to go viral

@leeaisley3633 3 месяца назад

Glad you came I dnt believe in aliens but I was starting to wonder if maybe it could be true,thanks

@SalTarvitz 3 месяца назад

Dont worry Homer Herodotus and Thucydides are entirely true thou 😂😂😅

@salvadorlopez-beltran6734 2 месяца назад

Hey man your a real piece of work, thank you for this type of content .. something to hear instead of the usual listening stuff. One question who is Academia? I'm sorry don't know a better way to ask that.. is it one governing board or panel ? Is it a multilevel corporation or just a collective of well educated communities who are self governing and policing? Help

@WorldofAntiquity 2 месяца назад

It’s the last one.

@oldsailor83 3 месяца назад

48:39 Dr. Miano, if I may, the quran indeed calls Jesus « the messaiah » as a name, but does not recognize him as the messiah, with the same signification of the word in the Christian belief. In the Quran, Issa (jesus, messiah) says: "And [remember] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you, confirming what is before me of the Torah and giving good tidings of a messenger to come after me, his name is Ahmad." Which might explain why muslim scholars would celebrate the text.

@WorldofAntiquity 3 месяца назад

Ah, thank you for pointing that out.

@marjae2767 3 месяца назад

If you do a follow-up, maybe the Historia Augusta, or the "Old Script" version of the Book of Documents. Or the Classical attempts to understand Bronze Age history.

@helenamcginty4920 3 месяца назад

It wouldnt have been unusual for the man known in the west as Jesus to have been married?

@robcat2075 3 месяца назад

A lot of this sounds like the stories behind the founding documents of the Mormons.

@ciaranhappyentriepaw 2 месяца назад

Slight correction: HP Lovecraft did not write The Hounds of Tindalos, that was Frank Belknap Long. Certainly a friend of Lovecraft's, and Tindalos is generally regarded as part of what we now call the Cthulhu Mythos, but ultimately Lovecraft is not responsible for the Tindalos story. Lovecraft does mention them once or twice in his own works (his stance on knicking whole things direct from his friends, or anyone knicking his stuff in what would otherwise just be plagiarism, was quite laisse-faire.) Lovecraft also didn't see any great success or popularity until long, long after his death. Certainly not in the 1920's or 30's. I don't doubt that the Thoth Pyramid texts were inspired by Lovecrafts work, that's a distinct possibility, but saying that he had a "burgeoning popularity" is a stretch. The 1920's and 30's was probably the peak of his popularity in his lifetime (its when he was writing what are now his most well known stories) but he only really became a name the average person can be expected to know in the 1980's or 90's.

@jacobparry177 3 месяца назад

(Iolo Morganwg clicking off this video furiously)

@hollyingraham3980 3 месяца назад

IYKYK

@rubenducheny2788 2 месяца назад

Great video! Thank you.

@rikoil 3 месяца назад

What do you think about "Veda slovena"?

@kpsting 3 месяца назад

Another captivating vid. Thanks!

@WorldofAntiquity 3 месяца назад

Thank you too!

@NoIce33 3 месяца назад

How old should a text be in order to not count as a forgery? Most religious texts would probably count, if they were not established as canonical. Book of Daniel was definitely a blatant forgery, as were some of the purported letters of Paul and most (if not all) non-paulian epistles. The "Secret gospel of Mark" is a funny one. I guess few scholar doubt that Morton Smith made it up, but good luck proving it. Both the text itself and the story behind its discovery are quite an entertainment, much better than the obviously fake "Jesus' wife".

@fordprefect80 3 месяца назад

The Gosford Glyphs located within the Central Coast of New South Wales Australia are a collection of fake Egyptian Hieroglyphs. Obviously created by an amateur for giggles and notoriety, but there's more than a few believers out there.

@soarel325 19 дней назад

I don't think the Michigan Relics are at the Kelsey Museum at all - I live in Ann Arbor and have been to the museum multiple times, and never seen them there. I know there was an exhibition in Lansing's Michigan History Museum about the fraudulent artifacts, but despite the Kelsey Museum's namesake being one of the first to determine they were hoaxes, I don't believe the museum holds any

@naywahn 3 месяца назад

Might wanna check the writing on that Rahotep statue, in the middle of a museum. It doesn't look like the Old Kingdom representations at all...

@melanieenmats 3 месяца назад

A fascinating subject. I think it is brilliant that you treat all the subjects that normal archeology doesn't bring to people. It's a mistake to leave all these great mysteries only for the unschooled. While there can be a value to non academic views, it is really better if both are available for everyone. That is what you do here. It's badly needed. You are the first opening the mysteries to the public instead of avoiding them. A story about a fake is still a great mystery from which lots can be learned.

@testemunhosdahistoria9688 3 месяца назад

Do a part 2, please. You could discuss the letter of Pilatus describing Christ.

@JMM33RanMA 3 месяца назад

This video is fantastic! It satisfies my taste for history and archaeology as well as mystery novels.Keep up the good work, Prof. Miano.

@rogerdudra178 3 месяца назад

Sure sounds like faking stuff started a long time ago.

@Jack-Hands 3 месяца назад

Shame you didn't mention the Oera Linda Book. Really wanted to hear your opinion on that hoax book.

@WorldofAntiquity 3 месяца назад

The Oera Linda book does not purport to be ancient. It purports to be medieval.

@jeffreyjordan9747 3 месяца назад

Thanks!

@greenockscatman 3 месяца назад

Slight bit of buzzing noise in parts of the vid. Sounds pretty uniform though, if you use the Audacity noise removal feature I bet it could successfully remove it. Loved the content 👍

@daviddeltoro1808 25 дней назад

This dude looks exactly like what a character actor would look like playing a scientist or a professor in a 90s movie, I don't even know what that means

@vincetalkz 3 месяца назад

I wonder if you might look into covering "The Kolbrin" in a future presentation.

@TurtleMarcus 3 месяца назад

I enjoyed that your "theological takedown" of the Gospel of Barnabas was from the Muslim perspective and not the Christian one, which is so often the case.

@ecocodex4431 3 месяца назад

40:09 the fly is gettin in on the conversation

@curiouscase... 2 месяца назад

I came here after I watched that crazy fella Billy Carson on Joe Rogan... He wrote a whole book about this Emerald tablets🤣🤣 I knew he was full of it, but not to this extent. 🤣

@thomashaynie406 5 дней назад

You should cover the authenticity controversy around Revalations.

@hope1575 3 месяца назад

Is a pottery "shurd" something technically different from a pottery "shard," (what I would call it) or is it just that all the archeologists I've heard recently pronounce it "shurd" in their accents? Has anyone else noticed this?😂

@hollyingraham3980 3 месяца назад

The word is "sherd" as in "potsherd." I was taught the pronunciation is as spelled. Rhymes with herd.

@hope1575 3 месяца назад

@hollyingraham3980 What?! So is this a word specific to archeology, or is this also a word you would use in a modern context, like if you personally smashed a clay vessel, would those pieces be "potsherds"?

@mrjones2721 3 месяца назад

@@hope1575 In archaeology, a sherd is made of pottery, and a shard is made of glass. But in everyday life, they’re both shards.

@richardaubrecht2822 3 месяца назад

Reminds me a case when a Czech archeologist near Prague found a gypsum statue of a Persian godess Anahita, hinting a possible merchant connection between until then unrelated regions. A lot was made of the vagina carved in the lower part of the statue. Maybe two weeks later, they anounced that it was in fact a gypsum plaster statue of a "naughty nun", made in numbers by a local artisan circa 1920. This was revealed by his grandson who had several more in his possesion.

@rosshall6475 2 месяца назад

This guy reminds me of my college classics professor, Dr John Svarlien

@misterenergy 3 месяца назад

really enjoyed this dr miano - curious if you considered including the book of jasher? it’s a fairly influential text in some very unpleasant circles, treated as if it carries rhetorical same authority as the Bible itself

@IsaacMayerCreativeWorks 3 месяца назад

nothing wrong with the book as long as you think of it as what it is - a late-medieval rabbinic midrash written in surprisingly good pseudo-Biblical Hebrew

@misterenergy 3 месяца назад

that’s fair, i just know it’s used by modern christian identity groups to justify some pretty heinous ideology and THEY treat it as if it’s the original text referenced in genesis

@yaldabaoth2 3 месяца назад

Forgery is obviously evil and comes from bad intentions like greed or pride. However, I do respect the hustle of those early modern, medieval and even ancient forgers who all apparently put in quite some effort to at least produce these forgeries. What do we have today? Weirdos on TikTok parroting each other's wild ideas and made up stories without any evidence whatsoever. They can't even be bothered to forge something. Low effort, all of them!

@dat2ra 2 месяца назад

This is analogous to present politics. It doesn't matter whether it's true or not; it only matters that you believe it to be.

@gruntaguitar 3 месяца назад

Amazing video thank you for your hard work

@MAYBEMAYNOTBE2 2 месяца назад

They say don't judge a book by the cover but man you look like you know what you are talking about 😅

@lg9586 7 дней назад

You got to debunk Matthew LaCroix.

@duskonanyavarld1786 3 месяца назад

I only know of one fake stone with runes on it in the US. Also dinosaure pottery in Mexico maybe.

@ExploringtheKawithRa 3 месяца назад

Yes the lost book of king og is a modern fake pretending to be ancient

@faithdebonilla1204 Месяц назад

I wonder what was the purpose/goal of the Masoretic Text? The Septuagint was already written, and Masoretic Text is a retelling of the Septuagint in Hebrew, but why write it? People generally didn't speak Hebrew at that time; Greek was the lingua franca, and Hebrew at this time maybe had up to 8000 unique words, whereas Greek at this time had around one million unique words and over a million parts of speech. Odd. But I guess you need something like that to begin empire building.

@WorldofAntiquity Месяц назад

The source of the Septuagint translation was a Hebrew text or texts that have not survived. And the sources of the Masoretic text also are Hebrew texts that have not survived. But whereas one is a translation, the other is simply a version.