The key problem of this show is the design. It breaks some very important rules of proper star wars design - do not use zippers, locks, construction elements, or any of the daily stuff from real world; do not use enedited items from real world; do not draw too much inspiration from currently trending design. Costumes look like real-world costumes with little alterations or even straight up real-life cloth, speeders on coruscant look just like modern cars but flying, all planets look like england, coruscant looks like pieces of rel-world cities stacked on each other and it has too much concrete(coruscant is supposed to be mostly metal). The main thing about star design is that it is both alien/weird, grounded/functional and cool-looking. You can't just grab a mondane object, and some generic sci-fi greebles to it and use it in star wars - you need to create completely original design. And that is where andor fails. Also, the planets in Andor are very boring and unimaginative, which makes this show even more unitresting.
Lmao Andor is more loyal to the look of the Original Trilogy than the prequels even. Andor had the 70s lived in sci-fi feel that the OT had. Especially with all the analogue tech. You’re comment seems to be just mindless nitpicking. Who hell gives a shit if there’s a zipper here or a brick there? What rule book did you look through that said Star Wars can’t have those things? What the hell do you even mean there’s no real cloth in Star Wars? If that’s all there’s is to complain about then it must be a pretty good show. I agree with the lack of aliens criticism but that’s such a surface level problem when meanwhile the issues with the other SW shows are so rotten to the core insomuch that they break the SW universe and retcon canon.
@@emilianomartorell3587 the difference between andor and the original trilogy is in the originality. In andor, all of the props and locations are very common and modern with some greebles added on or even nothing changed. In the original trilogy, the props used are all obscure/weird. For example, the blasters in the originals are made from old firearms that look strange, while in andor, they just used AK-47 rifles. It does not matter how much garbage you attach to an AK, it is still very recognisable and not intresting at all. The same applies to locations - the original trilogy all sorts of cool and extreme places that most people wouldn't see often. Andor, on the other hand, had the most several very much mundane locations in the UK and a bunch of sets/cgi. The only good location was that barren coast on Narkina. In order for a location to be good, it needs to stand out. I's possible to find many good and cinematic spots in a forest, but just filming in some boring and random part of that forest is not a good idea. Also, the materials and buildings were too modern-looking. I don't mind primitive tech on primitive planets, but Coruscant would never have modern materials and building techniques, because they have better stuff. The same way you don't see wooden support pillars in a modern city, conrete and steel along with their signature construction elements are not on Coruscant. Instead of building a walkway out of concrete and supporting it with steel beams, in Star Wars it would be made of some sort of super-material and not need more that a few attachmetns to stay in the air.
@@DEADALEK No arguing with someone dead set to dislike it. The reason the 70s props look strange is that we were children. Adults back then could tell they were WW2 era props. Unaltered camera-flash battery cases as “lightsabers” with the “Grafflex” name brand still visible on them, etc. I’ll never understand the utter fixation on the AK-47 look-a-like prop. Even if you’re 100% correct in your criticism, it is a minuscule detail. Meanwhile the other shows have events that literally break canon. Anyway do you acknowledge that by your logic, the PT doesn’t mesh well with the OT either because everything looks high tech and modern?
I boggles my mind that so many Star Wars fans can’t comprehend the notion that Star Wars can be slower and more serious. Why does every Star Wars product NEED lightsabers and the Force? Why does it always need to be about a Jedi fighting a Sith? Why can’t it be about a young man’s slow radicalization against the Empire? Why can’t it be about self-conscious deputy trying to uphold the law within the Empire? Why can’t it be about an ambitious Imperial officer doing her best to contend with internal political rivalries whilst hunting Rebel cells throughout the galaxy? If the story and characters are good, what’s the problem?
Totaly agree. All you have to do is change the name of the galactic empire, cgi remove the TIE Fighters % change the blaster boats to beams & you have a brand new Scifi series. Andor is good but it's not Star Wars. Heck we see more of those regular imperial army guys than classic Stormies.
I like seeing the imperial army troopers because they're meant to be the standard troopers, the OT focuses on important imperial areas mostly, and stormtroopers are meant to be the elite.
I never understood the complaint that Andor doesn't feel like Star Wars because there aren't any Jedi in it. Isn't Andor just being consistent with the lore? By the time Andor is taking place, wouldn't the Jedi have been killed off for over 10+ years? Also with the Empire in control, I assume they would've suppressed or altered database references. Kinda like how the INGSOC regime in *1984* would just erase history. This may have resulted in "the Force" in being more a religion over 10+ years. It just makes zero sense for the Jedi to feature in any real way in Andor, if we're going by ANH's overall narrative. Which is why complaints by some fans that Andor isn't Star Wars because it doesn't feature the Force and Jedi is ridiculous-- because a *true* Star Wars story set in this period *requires* them to be completely or nearly completely unknown, if that story is to be about any character in the galaxy that isn't a Jedi. And if it IS to be about the few Jedi that are still around, then... well that's the OT. I guess there's Chirrut Imwe and a few obscure Force monks which might be interesting, but the more you force fit Force sensitive characters into the narrative of this time period, the more it feels, uhh, forced. I do think it might be interesting to see Andor approach belief in the Force as a budding religious and spiritual component behind the Rebellion, the way Nimek's manifesto dealt with its political/ideological side. It would reflect real revolutions in history, and would be interesting to have "the Force" handled as a motivating narrative tool, even as propaganda, and dig into how different characters deal with it-- Luthen might cynically see "the way of the Force" as a phony religion but a useful tool to galvanize the Rebellion. Mon Mothma might be skeptical but interested in some of its more positive and inspiring ideas. Deedra might see it as a dangerous cult to stamp out. Syril might be disturbed by the fact that it gives a credible sense and purpose, something he's sought in the law and order of the Empire.
Tf does this even mean what does not giving starwars vibe even mean like I feel like your just chatting just to chat you waffled and didn’t even make a valid point
this has to be the most weirdest collective take people have with "doesnt feel like star wars". Have you guys read/played some of the wacky eu,played republic commando, kotor and other stuff like the 2003 clone wars they each had such a distinct vibe they made it star their own. Star Wars is first and foremost a universe to tell good stories. The fact that the first thing that came to your mind with the prison scene is squid games instead of "the steps this big evil galactic empire to oppress and deal with undesireables" . If you like the main themes explored in the main trilogy thats fine but making literally the biggest sci fi/fantasy ip be limited just to what one subjectively deems to be "star wars" is a bit unsavory. For me the conflicts,the ships, and most important story with substance and conflict with stakes are what make an enjoyable star wars experience .
I think the biggest problem some people have with it is that the stakes don’t seem great to them (even given how close the Empire comes to being able to trace communication to Luthen). We don’t have galaxy-wide conflict that’s anywhere near as measurable as the conflicts that take place in the Clone Wars and in the age of the Rebellion. We also don’t have any major characters of power or political involvement that are directly being threatened or attacked yet whether they be working for the pre-Rebellion or the Empire. The only other time, in visual media, we’ve had a story revolve around a no-name was with The Mandalorian. What made Din Djarin work for most people is that he held his own quite well in action, impressed us very early on which made us want to know more about him, had a cute, mysterious little being to attach itself to, and gave us enough to carry with us into each successive episode, between the action and adventure, that our levels of excitement allowed us to very easily stay invested. I say us with much of that but I’m not disappointed with Andor and actually love it, quite frankly.
@@frankkendrick7751 which is valid , but people grasping for whatever "feelings" the og trilogy(or any past media) evoked in them is hardly fair to any piece of star wars media going foward.
To answer your question, yes. I have in fact played republic commando and kotor. I know a lot of EU stories and have watched the 2003 clone wars cartoon, and I can firmly say they do feel like star wars. Which is something I can’t say for this show. I do not think this show is bad, at least not entirely and I actually do enjoy some things about it. However the vibe just feels off and it doesn’t work well for me.
It's the combination of a different realistic and dark tone that separates it from the traditional hppeful feeling. The lack of the Star Wars bells and whistles, like diverse aliens, unique lingo, and other such set dressing. And the lack of any Force user or any firect relation to the Jedi or Sith. Missing 1 of these things is fine, but with out all of it, it feels like some other generic sci fi.
"Is a universe to tell good stories" Your missing the point of star wars yes it can be to tell other good stories or other things that happened in it. But it's not a setting in the same way warhammer 40k is.
Actually, based on your analysis Andor is the real real Star Wars! Think about how episode 3 and episode 6 ends? Both ends with Hope for new beginnings (episode 3) and hope that it has worked (episode 6).
also if you look at the characters, Marva is like Obiwan she gives her life to send andor on his path of the heros journey. Andor himself is like Han Solo and so on.
This show is not giving me hope. It's telling me to get away from the empire as fast as possible. Even eith the garbage sequels I had more of a feeling to fight the First "dis"Order than to run from it. Andor is hopelessness. Not hope.
Ask George Lucas then if he conceptualised Star Wars as Dune lite like Andor or simply Flash Gordon in space like in OG. Imagine he did Dune instead of Star Wars.
All it needs is more aliens. Not just as background extras, but as actual characters. That was one of my only problems with the show. But personally, I mostly just disagree. I think shows and movies need different vibes. Just because this show doesn't feel like the movies doesn't make it not star wars. This show tried something else in the universe and I think it works super well. I would love to see more completely new star wars content that enhances the galaxy and shows more of it and explores new themes and settings without showing the Jedi and Sith. The show is morally grey and doesn't pull any punches, without much hope. I think that's part of the reason it may not feel like other star wars content since it's not black and white, and it puts its own spin on the idea of hope, and its not showing huge grand events. It's small scale, and tells a different story. But of course, that's just my opinion.
I don't think you understand this video. Star Wars is a Space Opera Andor isn't. I like dark gritty realism too but it doesn't belong in Star Wars, and if Star wars is Dark it should be done in the same way as Empire Strikes back. The Expanse is a great show I love, but if you turned it into a Space Opera it wouldn't be The Expanse would it.
@@Tigercat-ei8hnLmao you think life under a totalitarian regime is all sun and rainbows? There’s a reason why there’s a REBEL alliance. It’s because the Empire was so oppressive that people were actually willing to give their lives to topple it like in A New Hope. When Obi-Wan Kenobi said “Before the Dark Times”, that wasn’t just a throwaway line. Life under the Empire was DARK. Andor portrayed that perfectly and did a perfect job of synthesizing the world building of the PT and the OT as well. But hey you should be happy because Disney has plenty of shallow fan servicy nostalgia porn drivel that you would love in all their other SW projects.
Well seeing as The Empire Strikes back in my favourite Star Wars movie and The Last Jedi is in my opinion the worst just illustrates how ignorant you are. Andor is a pretty good show but it isn't Star Wars and it's idiots like you who can't tell the difference between Space Fantasy/Opera and Science Fiction. You're the kind of fool who'd say it was awesome to see Storm Troopers stomping across a battlefield in powered armour and the Rebels blowing up civilian targets in the name of freedom. Go away and crawl back under the rock you slithered out from and join all the other non Star Wars fans. Oh and Disney Star Wars sucks 💩 @@emilianomartorell3587
andor is literally the most star wars because its a story about hope, and the little guy rising up to change the galaxy for the better. Just like Luke. It's just told in a realistic way, but all of what makes star wars is in there.
@@TheMrPeteChannel in real life rebellions are like what we see in andor. You do bad to defeat the bad. that's just realistic. you need to do bombings, terrorism and murders. The hope comes from what will be born from it all. Go watch The Battle of Algiers ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wd5Pz8KJeU4.html
😂 Really? Hope? Ask Lucas again why he made Star Wars in the first place. This Andor is trying to be “not like that Star Wars” well then, you’re just Dune lite at this point.
@@TheMrPeteChannelliterally watch any documentary about any revolution ever in history. It’s like Andor, not SW Rebels. Ever heard of the IRA or the Troubles. Open a book my man.
I think part of the "star wars feeling" or not is that it's mostly compared to movies rather than TV shows. And the other "star wars" TV shows are crap.
No Lightsabers. No space battles. Almost no aliens. No Sith. No Jedi. No Force. No world building. A Star Wars show doesn't need ALL of those elements. But with NONE of them, it's just not Star Wars. The show felt like a Sci Fi political thriller that happened to take place in a govt called The Empire and in which Mon Mothma and Andor were featured. It was also sooo boring to me. I tried. I really tried. I had to force myself to tune in every week but it felt like a chore to me. I'm glad it's over.
Yep, that's basically how I felt about the show. It might be a good show in some ways, but it's missing so many Star Wars elements that it's hard to even call it Star Wars anymore
A Star Wars show doesn't need Jedi or the Force, but the tone of Star Wars, the feeling of adventure, the feeling of someone insignificant can be part of something bigger still has to be there.
@@DeepDiveAnalysis what do you mean? Do you not care at all about actual canon? I never understood the complaint that Andor doesn't feel like Star Wars because there aren't any Jedi in it. Isn't Andor just being consistent with the lore? By the time Andor is taking place, wouldn't the Jedi have been killed off for over 10+ years? Also with the Empire in control, I assume they would've suppressed or altered database references. Kinda like how the INGSOC regime in *1984* would just erase history. This may have resulted in "the Force" in being more a religion over 10+ years. It just makes zero sense for the Jedi to feature in any real way in Andor, if we're going by ANH's overall narrative. Which is why complaints by some fans that Andor isn't Star Wars because it doesn't feature the Force and Jedi is ridiculous-- because a *true* Star Wars story set in this period *requires* them to be completely or nearly completely unknown, if that story is to be about any character in the galaxy that isn't a Jedi. And if it IS to be about the few Jedi that are still around, then... well that's the OT. I guess there's Chirrut Imwe and a few obscure Force monks which might be interesting, but the more you force fit Force sensitive characters into the narrative of this time period, the more it feels, uhh, forced. I do think it might be interesting to see Andor approach belief in the Force as a budding religious and spiritual component behind the Rebellion, the way Nimek's manifesto dealt with its political/ideological side. It would reflect real revolutions in history, and would be interesting to have "the Force" handled as a motivating narrative tool, even as propaganda, and dig into how different characters deal with it-- Luthen might cynically see "the way of the Force" as a phony religion but a useful tool to galvanize the Rebellion. Mon Mothma might be skeptical but interested in some of its more positive and inspiring ideas. Deedra might see it as a dangerous cult to stamp out. Syril might be disturbed by the fact that it gives a credible sense and purpose, something he's sought in the law and order of the Empire.
Hate to break your bubble, but almost every Star Wars blaster is a sci-fi augment of a real life firearm. Were you upset when Mando was walking around with an M1897 for a sidearm? Or Han with his Mauser M96? What about Cara Dune’s Japanese Type 14? I could go on.
Of what i watched. I don't think its that good. But its definitely not Star Wars. I don't know if anyone notice. But there not a single alien in it at all. I can't think of a single Star Wars show/movie that dosn't have alien in it.
Through an unknown struck of luck you get a gem of a series and you complain about how it doesn't "feel" a certain way. The original Star Wars used the setting as a vehicle and now the themes are more important than characters and plot... which apparently you lost.
@@Lone432345yeah but just throwing aliens and droids in your show doesn’t make it good Star Wars. I mean your standards for good Star Wars are pretty shallow if that’s all you require. Sadly fans would rather have more nostalgia porn than a well told in-universe story. For some it seems that good storytelling exploring grand themes is no longer a qualifier for good Star Wars. Rather it’s ‘how many Star Warsy things can I see on my screen at any given moment’. The more Star Warsy things, the more Star Wars it is. By their logic, 1000 Jedi saying “hello there” while fighting 1000 Sith while 2000 Death Stars shoot lasers at 2000 planets all on screen at the same time would be considered a Star Wars masterpiece.
