the lungs of a pot smoker who doesn't exercise. take notice next time youre around one of your stoner friends, you won't be able to unhear their breathing.
@@nathanharshbarger9222 well yeah they are fighters bro, they dont even understand how bad they get ripped off they just fight. Fighter pay roll in UFC is 10%-15% of the revenue thats pretty fucked but hey i dont fight let them get ripped off but i aint gonna act like the pay is fair compared to Nfl,nba, mlb or boxing.
@@donramonchamp9776 They choose mma they choose UFC they choose to fight. They also choose to sign contracts. There adults in all reality it makes them very unnapealing when they choose to sign a contract than cry about thousands of dollars and more sometimes that they signed for! It's nobody's fault but there own if they sign the paperwork.
I don't cry like a baby and I work 12-15 hours a day putting my life at risk. That's a personal choice. Nobody owes me anything I signed the paperwork for the pay etc. If I don't show up I get fired. There's no crying about it here
UFC : We’re bigger than ever Fighters :Well then pay us more UFC : We’re struggling to survive Dana : Fighters are independent contractors Fighters : Aight I guess I can make some extra $$$ with sponsorships and taking fights in other organizations Dana: Nah fam you can’t because you’re my employee
No. They knew the deal they signed. They are to fight exclusively for ufc till that contract is up. Guranteed 3 a year. Thats less than 3 years for a 8 fight contract. They are still free to do whatever they want outside the cage
@@MisterMxyzptlk1972 Do people honestly just not understand how business finances work? A couple of loans secured against some of your assets and boom. More money. Money isn't an issue.
@@DrJellyFanguzzz He's from east village and has wealthy parents. It's not like he's from the hood and grew up around people that talk like that. This is his normal voice. If he talks any other way, it's an act.
These messages and more are brought to you by cocaine! Cocaine, its a hell of a drug. (Don't know for sure but I've been around people with the high beams on and it sounds a lot like this)
This could easily be fixed by just allowing fighters to have sponsors on their gear. Not sure when the deal with Reebok is over but individual sponsors should definitely be considered right now
Yeah... I think it's pretty crappy that when they signed the Reebok deal, they stripped a LARGE portion of the fighters income from multiple different sponsors!
UFC let fighter have sponsors, these sponsors would not pay for being on PPV or TV though, that's why fighters get money from Reebok which still is not a lot.
They did when the fighters complained about it. Dana was lying about Brendan Schaub getting close to a million in sponsorhip and losing it because of Reebok. Dana and Schaub had a public beef, Joe vouched for Schaub when he showed him his proof. With UFC being on ESPN, fighters could be making millions a year with sponsorship but that would cut off UFC revenue with Reebok.
@@ademircb that is not true. Fighters used to have sponsorship deals that payed them a lot of money. Then the UFC signed an exclusivity contract with Reebok. This exclusivity deal translated into a huge payout to the UFC as an organisation but fucked over all of the fighters. Since then, fighters are NOT ALLOWED to be sponsored by anyone else during official media events and fights. Meaning fighters get paid peanuts by Reebok instead of the bigger amounts they used to receive when UFC allowed fighters to have sponsorship deals
@@mordorprc1 Fighters can still get sponsorships, that's what I meant but these sponsors won't be on TV or PPV. It sucks for small business that want to help the fighters.
@@ademircb no it isn't top fighters get 30k from rebox new fighters 2k between 2k and 30k depending on there name is the rebox deal for fighters what ufc gets is totally different nike would pay Jones over 100k to wear there nike logo bellator sponsorships pay upto 100k to top fighters..........
Thank you for bringing great memories about my german shepherd , he sounded exactly like that , i was always joking how he sounds like an old man when he lays down
Yeah he's one of the most annoying guests. He just asks dumb ass questions and says "right... yeah..." just repeats what joe says over and over. Acts like he already knew. If he did, why ask in the first place? Moronic.
One of the few times Joe has pissed me off in one of his interviews. Got 15 years of this being an issue, and he tows the company line for uncle dana and pretends this has only been an issue ongoing for 6 months due to covid. Gimme a F*(##( break. If you dont want to talk about it (because dana is your employer, which we completely understand), just say that. dont feed into the BS dana white narrative and mis-lead listeners who arent familiar with the issue. just tell andrew, "yea, I see it from both sides but its not something I can really talk about due to my employment situation".
In 2006, I was vacationing in Hilton Head island, SC... I met a lightweight UFC fighter who was vacationing with his parents (they were golfing which was big there)... He was a headliner in Vegas with a 6 - 0 record (for lightweight... He was very clear that nobody was showing up to see him fight) in just over 2 months. We were chatting. And he was talking about moving on to something else because he had to train a minimum of 6 to 8 weeks for every bout, but only made $30K a year...
8:50 - Rogan downplays the possibility that fighters family members could get sick and die from covid. 11 months later, Khabib's father is dead and Khabib is retired.
Joe picking his words wisely, it’s the few times Rogan will hold back from speaking the truth and what’s really on his mind when it comes to talking bad about Dana or the UFC
I like Rogan, but he doesn't treat everyone the same. For example, he's talked shit about Wing Chun as a martial art, but when Robert Downey Jr was on the podcast, he surprisingly said he practiced it and how Wing Chung helped change his life. Joe's response was that it's an underrated martial art. There are other examples of Joe holding two positions on the same topic.
@@Nepthu exactly. joe is just a coward at times, then puffs his chest at odd moments, but ive enjoyed the ride over the past 8 years. learned a lot from some good guest
Rick g he also is just a world class commentator and interviewer and has done this podcast for years, he just knows how to talk to people. I mean if someone says something like wing chun helped change their life maybe you just hold your opinion on wing chun that way the interview still flows and RDJ doesn’t potentially get upset for him insulting a fighting style that he said helped change his life
I love the UFC and really think they did an amazing job keeping the sport legit and growing it to be a mainstream success but while the UFC doing amazing things for the sport it does have the problem of fighter pay not being as high as it really should be. While boxing is a shady sport but the stars get what they earn while the UFC literally pays their commentator in Joe Rogan more than 99% of their fighters
I know it doesn't seem like it, but after 100s of events and show, I can confirm it can be really extremely difficult to stay in profit and constantly grow the show experience like the fans expect. People woul'd be surprised how much is done with relatively small budget.. Even with top-10 level artists and sold out arenas, spending a few grand is usually just not an option. People overestimate the profit made at these kind of shows, it's why only around 5% of events make it trough 2 shows, less than 1% of events make it into a viable business.
I hear/read a common idea that is within your comment, "fighter pay not being as high as it really should be." Who gets to decide what it really should be? Most of us as fans lack the knowledge of the true financial intricacies of both the promotion(s) and the fighters, so our opinions are really invalid. And don't fighters make this decision when they sign a contract to fight? Don't they make this decision again when negotiating a new contract when the old one ends? I certainly want to see every fighter, hell every person, maximize their earning potential, but it is on each of us to do so. Know your worth and stand fast to get it during negotiations. It is too late once the contract is signed..
The absolute minimum that fighters get paid is 10,000 per fight + 10,000 bonus if they win. That's for the lowest ranked, unheard of fighters who at that stage normally fight 3-5 times a year, so right there is 100k if they win their fights, + the fact that later on they'd be more likely to get 20-30k per fight. As they get more popular it becomes 80k-250k (doubled if they win) per fight then the highest tier are upwards of 500k per fight, up to millions (doubled if they win). If you compare that to boxing obviously it's going to seem low but realistically, these guys aren't paid peanuts. They're paid decent amounts. And it's true, people don't think enough about how the UFC is the biggest fight business because of how they manage money. People aren't fighting to get into anywhere else but the UFC.
Anyone stupid enough to sign those contracts for a combat sport, deserves to be stiffed on pay. It's not the organizations fault that fighters are morons.
I wanna know how much money came out of those sponsors, I think it's cool and I feel like they should be able to be paid by their sponsors, but how much did it hurt the fighters that made money off sponsorships, and was it worth it to take away that privilege for a reebok deal that no longer exists, why not let fighters pick the brands they wear, and what goes on their shorts, that makes sense to me
@@jacobgarza3817 a lot of them made more money from the sponsors than from the money the UFC directly gave them. If you're not one of the higher profile athletes or a champion you don't make crap these days.
Yea people don’t get that. The bigger the business the harder business is to do. You have more people relying on you, more over head, and trying to keep all your employees happy. Big business is fucking HARD. Not saying small business isn’t, but the bigger a business gets, the harder is to keep afloat.
Joe: Talking Andrew: MHM. **Inhales** Yep. **Nose breathes** MM. MM. **Creates gusts of wind breathing** Yep. Yep. **Smacks lips and inhales in the microphone** Yeah. Yeah.
The thing about UFC fighter is that it's a solo sport. For other sports that have unions, they are team sports. So if half your team go on strike, you kinda just have to follow them, because it not like the team can field half the rosters, it's either all of them in, or none of them in. But for UFC it's different. It just take a couple of people, who probably desperately need the fucking money, to say yes, and the whole movement is fucked. The UFC can just go "fuck all of you on strikes, we just gonna promote these guys" and as long as they put on the show, the fan will continue to watch.
Paige Van Zant recently said she made far more money from appearing on a single season of "Dancing with the Stars" than she has in 4 years of being with the UFC. That says it all.
@@too_sturdy More like 8 fights and she's headlined shows and had FOTN"bonuses". She gets $46k for a fight. It's pathetic. She'd get more if she was a manager in a local Walmart, instead of being a headliner for a multi billion dollar sports organisation. UFC is fucking border line criminal with its pay. It's disgusting.
@@humann5682 when has paige fought 8x since 2016??? She fought Bec Rawlings. And broke her arm in the 2 fights that followed. Possibly 4 fights but 8. You're trippin. Maybe 8 fights total since 2014. And been most inactive female besides stitch albu.
@@humann5682 She could fight 3x a year. She chooses not too. The UFC by contract have to "offer" you 3 fights a year. She has taken nothing. Her bf seems like a solid middleweight in Bellator. But her??? Please? She fought Rawlings, Which she lossed and broke her arm. Next headline broke her arm again. Maybe she had 2 fights in 2016 and 2 since 2017. And I dont even follow her. I'm watching Poirier vs Hooker now. 🤙
@@humann5682 its also 46k to show. And 46k to win. You didn't know this?? So that's 88k if she wins. That's the major problem. And a bonus is 50k. And could've made alot more tho is my point.
Quick easy answer...its a business, and they signed the contract. If they don't like it, don't sign it. But if they don't, someone else will within seconds.
He just agreed to a 100 million dollar podcast deal. He doesn’t give a damn about protecting that gig. He’s being honest, and he’s right. That’s exactly what’s happening right now and fighters wanting to renegotiate their contract is often times what happens as fights gain popularity.
Dana keeps bringing up the pandemic but what he fails to include is that fighters weren’t getting a cut of the gate anyway. Let’s not forget the Reebok deal took away the fighters sponsorship on banners, t shirts, hats, etc. prior to the Covid
He brings it up because it’s overall a bad time to start complaining about this, if they did this a year ago I promise more things would have been taken to action, the pandemic just puts every bad situation into a very bad situation overall 🤷🏼♂️
Dude there are no gate sales how do you expect to pay the fighters more if there are no people coming to just and just rely on ppv sales which is absurd ! No fighters can get 1 million ppv buys now except if Connor or Nate step up or even khabib Dana has a point once the crowds starts coming into the arena you can see all theses fighters returning and shutting there mouth
Angelo Pillai I think Khabib is probably the biggest PPV star outside Conor now. In his last fight, he made the biggest fight purse ever in the UFC because he got something like 20% of the Russian population to watch + his Muslim fan base. Crazy how much the UFC makes from selling the rights to those countries
This is the first time I’ve seen Joe be misleading and deceptive about answering a legit question. He could have acknowledged the history of underpaying fighters without defending the UFC due to the rona 🤦🏻♂️
This isn't the first time. Now that you've seen this, go back and re-watch everytime Joe had money on the line or a big name in studio. How much he flip flopped. Like people talk about the moon landing one with NDT but there's others. I thought he was genuine, honest, had integrity and all that too. But there's a reason people call him a shill. And it's not the stupid flat earth stuff like he wants you to believe. It's because people buy his opinions to be sold as ads to his massive audience. And it's gross.
Is there anyone who has said fighters deserve more money or talked about how dangerous fighting is and that should be played as such as Joe? People love to nitpick and exclude his words so they can hate on Joe. It's become popular to shit on Joe. It's obnoxious especially considering I don't think there's a person that's more respectful towards fighters than Joe.
Uhh did you just start listening? He shits on the way ufc pays the fighters all the time. He talks about different organizations and how they do things better. Weight cut, pay, fighter treatment, fame. You need to watch more of the podcast before you talk shit.
Ermm. Ufc pays joe Rogan and bruce buffer $100000 flat per event now maybe most than alot of fighters but that depends on the amount of fights they have as 20 + get you $20000 from the Reebok deal the the fight purse and win bonuses and maybe $50000 gor fotn or sotn or ko otn some time they get 2 × 50000
There is one fact that did not get mentioned in this interview. The fighter pay has been a consistent issue even before the covid. So now to blame the fighter pay due to the lack of gate that was caused by covid is a chicken shit response.
Exactly what the guy before me said. Why would he know he just works there. I have a friend who owns a small film production company I know literally nothing about the financial side of his business. Hell I know next to nothing about the finances of my housemates
Joe is covering for UFC A LOT right now. He knows how to toe the line with UFC don't bite the hand that feeds. If Joe isn't in UFC he's a comic. If he didn't have the notoriety from UFC, is he that big of a comic? He has his moments in standup, but he's hit or miss most of the time. And he wouldn't have his lifestyle and status of his podcast is he wasn't the commmentater for UFC.
I remember years ago hearing about some of the fighters on UFC cards were making like $1,500 a fight, and meanwhile Dana White did an interview showing off his Ferrari.
I think Andrew was generalizing not just during the time of the pandemic but in general and there's an infamous video of Dana White saying boxers are paid too much that's why they don't fight he keeps his fighters hungry if they made 36 million dollars which you could use Conor McGregor as a great example or even Nate Diaz after he got a multi-million dollar fight he's been hard to drag back in
The biggest takeaway is at 0:45. Guys, if youre a fan of the fighters, support every organisation, not just the UFC. Bellator, PFL, ONE, RIZIN, KSW, and many more have some great MMA fights
yup. if he wasn't a UFC employee, you already know Joe would be talking so much shit about how the UFC pays their fighters peanuts, and treats them like mandingos.
@@Yomamaissoo that's what i figured lol joe rogan can flip flop all he wants on the topic but you know hes one of the safest humans on the planet. 😂 but anyways I think this was just a joke btw.
