Same way people forget that ronaldo had always had almost the same no of assists as messi until 2018, ronaldo also had comparable dribbles per game , messi had 3.3 while ronaldo had 2.7 up until 2014 the injury. They also forgot that ronaldo was a no 7 who puts in crosses better than almost anyone on the pitch, they don't remember the through balls , they only remember the ronny from 2 years ago. So I think messi is doing alright
@@engrademafias it shows that u don't watch football. In United Ronaldo was better, in real Madrid he has more success but not better, he was only mostly a scorer
My dad watched Pele, Maradona, Messi, and Ronaldo live. He said he's never seen anyone like Messi. We're Mexican so he was a bit salty about losing to Argentina but he admitted he's the best ever.
That’s a f00ls logic. Messi worked just as hard. Ronaldinho (if you know who he is) was super talented, but didn’t work hard and lasted 5yrs max. Messi is closer to 20years at the top. That’s not a “gift”. That’s graft
Nonsense...talent alone doesn't keep you at that level for almost 20years. Look at Ronaldinho, Robinson. Messi works just as Hard if not harder than Ronaldo...he just doesn't make videos of it and show it to you. Have watched how physically powerful Messi was between 2005 and 2017??? YOU LITERALLY COULDN'T GET THE BALL OFF HIS FEET DAFUQ
I saw them talking about F1 once. It was a hard watch. If I discover a new sport, only after years of watching would I even consider making a video showing my "knowledge" of it.
Tbh honest thou they are evaluating their careers on point. What they are saying about each one of them is true. Ronaldo is a physical beast that is declining due to his age and Messi is such a highly intellectual individual he is playing chess while everybody is playing checkers
Lol these guys expect Ronaldo to have a World cup no matter what despite playing for Portugal. In Portugal's entire history they've only won 2 intl trophies. Guess which era that was in..yep Ronaldo himself carried Portugal to intl success. They've never been known as a contender to all these major intl trophies so expecting Ronaldo to have a world cup to be classed as the Goat isn't only not fair it was always damn near impossible
@@engrademafias the team they had in this cup was the best that they've had in their history. It was so so much better than Argentina. That's not an excuse anymore. It was the probably the most stacked team after Brazil and France tbh.
I agree Messi is the GOAT athlete i have ever seen and i hate these basketball comparisons. Football is far more technical and skillful than basketball and it is truly the world sport.
Básquet all it's SO overrated like most usa centered sports, when You actually have players arround the world in your biggest league and then have strong squads on other teams to compare, for now it's just they playing on their house field and pretending it's a worldwide event
Messi has completed ALL PRICES to he won with the BEST STATS! Pele never played in Europe, Maradonna never won the Copa America, Cryff or Ronaldo never won the World cup, Brazilian Ronaldo never won the Championsleague.. Messi did it ALL!! The true GOAT
The only thing left is LA LIBERTADOTES championship, only player who won everything that messi did + this, is ronaldinho. messi would have to play for a CONMEBOL club tho
@@lacheliereinstein5872NEVER compare Kakà with Messi 🤦🏼♂ Kakà won World Cup with 0 goal contribution and played in just one game Messi won World Cup with 10 goal contribution ( played all the games , won most man of the match awards (5) , won World Cup Golden Ball ( best player of tournament ).
Ronaldo is also 38. 3 and aha half years older. I agree Messi is the goat and i thought so too before he won the world cup. But Ronaldo doesn't deserve the disrespect he's getting from fans around the world
No he’s not… Hes turning 38 in February while Messi will turn 36 a couple months after.. they are just over 2 years apart.. why exaggerate Ronaldo’s age? Lmao
Also it’s funny how age was never taken into account when comparing their career totals…when comparing stats by age messi has alwAys been far superior.
You can't compare Messi to Curry, Schultz. Just Say it. Most assists, most goals, smart passing, great defender, most championships, MVPs... MESSI IS COMPARABLE TO JORDAN, SCHULTZ! He reached this status when he showed the hunger every game, the shit talking, the 20 year vengeance on van ghal coach vs Netherlands (he took it personal), the cold haerted leadership when he kicked that sloooow penalty kick vs France ON THE WORLD CUP FINAL. This guy reached god level and GOAT status no doubt. Perhaps, maybe... MESSI>JORDAN.
Yeah messi was ‘born’ with talent. But so are many footballers. We saw many who have so much talent but dont reach there potentials. Balotelli, hazard, depay, etc etc.Messi and Ronaldo just worked harder then most in there own ways. Love them both, both a gift from the football gods.
@@billjames1216 can you read bruh, im saying theres footballers who are said to be special talents but fall short because they’re lazy and dont work hard enough to reach there potential
In basketball terms, specifically body feints, messi is very reminiscent of Allen Iverson and his crossovers, but yeah also Curry, specifically his 3 pointers, as messi these days has become one of those players who keeps banging in long range shots, but also passing and vision like tom brady, being 3 steps ahead. Apparently, kerr based some of his tactics on prime barcelona during the tiki taka days of 2009-2012.
Watch Messi’s old football footage when he was very young(micro dribbles, pristine finishing, super human awareness). He was doing the exact same thing at that age against his peers. He’s gifted. It’s like Will Hunting in Good Will Hunting…he looks at a problem and the answer just comes to him.
agreed he worked hard like everyone else, but who said other footballers worked less than him? They probably work the same or even more than him but they will never get to messi's level. If hard work the only reason, why isn't there many players like messi?
Ronaldo won 5 Balon d'Ors during the peak Messi years. And he won 5 Champions League titles plus a Euro and Nations League with Portugal 🇵🇹. And he's the greatest goal scorer in the history of football. Not bad for a guy who's leagues behind Messi.
The Goat debate was not decided by the World Cup. Messi is a player who cannot be described by statistics, anyone who has seen him play during his prime knows that. Nevertheless, together with Ronaldo, he leads almost all statistics. In 15 years we will look back on these careers and there will be no more debate. Messi is the greatest footballer in history. The debate will be whether Ronaldo is the second greatest footballer in history. PS: (It was the greatest final, but no way this was the greatest World Cup)
Did you forget pele? Even as a messi fan i would still have to admit Pele had more impact both inside and outside of the field while still having better stats per game than anyone else. Even tho i would still call messi the goat, no one can say that debate will ever be over because they never played against each other
@@bruh-tq2pw How fucking retarded do you have to be to believe something like that, even if you count out friendlies (most of which were against European clubs and national teams), he still had 0.92 goals per game and 0.42 assists per game(official stats), that's much better than both ronaldo and messi by far. And brazil had the best players in the world at the time, the vast majority of them playing in brazil, Europe didn't dominate football back then as it does now, the Brazilian league was very strong at the time
3:30 you're actually completely forgetting about his assist against Croatia where he left the defender for dead. A defender who was widely-regarded as one of the tournament's best up until this point. Built different.
At this point is insulting too Messi to compare him to Ronaldo. The debate now is not Messi or Ronaldo. Is Pele, Maradona, and Messi. But everything Messi has acomplished including the World Cup and his longetivity , he is the Greatest footballer of all time.
4 champions League from 3 different contry and 1000+ gaol at top more than pele maradona messi and just because of a cup he's not in the goat debate shut your mouth
Funny to see how people who just recently entered the football world don't take into consideration all the different factors that influence results in a players career. Team, manager, league, country, fatigue, quantity and severity of injuries, between lots of other things.
Also, every WC final is awesome, that's why football is so damn attractive to many countries. This maybe is the first final you guys have fully payed attention to because it had Messi whom is a huge image worldwide.
Lol these guys expect Ronaldo to have a World cup no matter what despite playing for Portugal. In Portugal's entire history they've only won 2 intl trophies. Guess which era that was in..yep Ronaldo himself carried Portugal to intl success. They've never been known as a contender to all these major intl trophies so expecting Ronaldo to have a world cup to be classed as the Goat isn't only not fair it was always damn near impossible
Tf? It’s not that different in the nba sports world tho 😂 Their analogies were far better than so called experienced euro pundits who have no business talking football like Piers Morgan 😂
How can anyone say Messi is less hardworking? He had to overcome physical disability + the side effects of the treatment. And is still incredibly fast and stable.
Cristiano Ronaldo's problem started in 2014 world cup when he suffered tendonitis and again he was injured in euro 2016 final. Prime CR7 was a joy to watch. He's decision making stepovers, knuckle ball shots and free-kicks. Dude was carrying his team on his shoulders when Madrid didn't had the likes of Modric, Kroos etc. Meanwhile Messi had one of the best manager in Guardiola, a very well gelled team with the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Dani Alves, Puyol, pique, etc. Even after the injury Ronaldo reinvented his style of play and became a deadly striker. This season really was a blot on Ronaldo's legacy. Thanks to Man Utd. I hope he recovers and we could see good farewell on the top just like Messi did.
What a frigging lie , Madrid was always stacked under Mourinho, the difference is they bought players that fit the mentality and some of the others that were there just grew
Ronaldo during his first stint at Manchester was with quite possibly the greatest Manchester united squad ever with SAF at the helm. So not just Messi but Ronaldo also was always surrounded by great players and coaches. And btw Barcelona's senior team was Guardiola's first job. So Ronaldo had a bigger advantage by getting to play under a more experienced manager
@@jonnstewart2023 really? The likes of Fernando Gago, Drenthe, Garay, Arbeloea, an aged Raul, Guti and they had Negredo as their striker that were the starting players for Madrid when Ronaldo arrived. And Mourinho came later in 2011. And we know how toxic was the dressing room under his time at Bernabaeu. The likes of Kaka and Casillas were falling off with him whole team was in distraught on many big occasions. Yet Ronaldo was constantly delivering. And you are comparing a Barca team which was pretty much the same with its playing style since 2006. Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Messi, Valdes, Pique etc were playing since their childhood at Barca. So, there was easy flow of game and understanding. You can't compare it with what Ronaldo dealt with.
@@jauharshahbaz then explain Messi at Argentina, why do people try to discredit Messi saying he has a good team. Ronaldo always had a stacked team that even after he left Madrid they can still win the Champions League, joined Juventus who dominates Italy and United who are 2nd place in England before his arrival. My point is both Messi and Ronaldo have a very good team that adapted to them both.
Andrew actually speaks the truth. I am a Ronaldo/Pepe fan in the Goat races. But this is true. It's like with Vidic vs Ferdinand debate. Once his physicality left Vidic, he didn't just become bad, he started playing with his head more to balance his lack of physicality. While Ferdinand deteriorated faster as he didn't switch his play style.
@@metallicarequiem2936 go anywhere you like and basketball its basketball, same as baseball, biking, racing, skiing, snowboarding, tenis, golf, hockey and so on. Its like naming boxin kickboxing and kickboxing soccing
At 35, Ronaldo was scoring hat tricks against alteico and Spain. He was still 37 when he finished as the 2nd top scorer in the hardest league with an unstable toxic team in it's worst ever form. They sucked him hard for so long and 3-4 months in, he is now a liability. Wouldn't be surprised if this happens to Messi if he ever moves to PL.
United are now in a better place because they got rid of the problem! They were playing for his tap ins is the reason why they were so bad now with him gone they are in contention for titles and in the CL hunt tied for 2nd ,thanks to ETH!!! All those goals during his United return didn't amass to anything!!
I never thought i’d see the day where Americans debate over soccer.😄 You guys need to check some video’s from the Brazilian Ronaldo… But comparing Christiano and Lionel based on this worldcup, just isn’t fair
Ronaldo and Messi play different positions as well. For all intent and purpose Ronaldo is a striker or a pure attacker and Messi is more of a playmaker/ Midfielder.
This is one of th millions reasons why messi is better. Ronaldo can't play that midfield role, Messi controls and dominates games from anywhere with his playmaker skills but can still play that attacking role with goals, he can literly do it all. 🐐🐐
This is one of the most annoying myths ever. If there was anybody who was a midfielder between Messi and Ronaldo it was Ronaldo. Messi was placed in a pure false 9 position under Pep guardiola meaning he could roam any point of attack he wanted. This has been Messi's position for years. Ronaldo on the other hand has only been a striker for 6 years (6 years out of his 20 year career) originally he was a right midfielder crossing in balls from flanks, before later on he adapted into a fully fledged left winger. Reducing him to a "striker" just shows when you started watching football
@@engrademafias exactly. I hate seeing new fans decide who's better when they haven't seen both of them in their primes. Setting aside the goat debate, what we witnessed in these two, still gives me goosebumps and no other footballer ever will be able to match their class
Okay Schultzy I usually agree with a lot of what you say but you don't know anything about Football. Please don't do this. It's worse when Messi and Ronaldo fans do this, but it's just cringe when casual fans chime in.
CR7 fans getting emotional. 🤣🤣 Schulz was actually spot on. Cristiano is always the worst player on the pitch when he plays now. He literally had no offers from any Champions league team, and offered to play for half his wages! As Schulz said, Cristiano wasn't a natural talent, he was a super athlete.
As football fan we will never forget how good 2022 WC matches and football was and we will never forget the people who died these two topics are separate we could have good WC without people dying. In 2022 WorldCup Football won and Human Rights lost😢
@@SANDUUQA_QISOOYINKA As a person who lives in Middle Eastern country that freedom of speech doesn’t exists and government doesn’t care about human rights don’t let anything like football,money,… go above these cause in long term you’ll be regretting that.
11:13: Johan Cruijff a Dutch player from the '70's is a player who never won a WC yet he's considered one of the top 4-5 of all time. Plus, his impact on the game was immense even after he retired, he was the mastermind behind the youth academy of Barcelona (La Masia) which produced Messi, and the system of total football (technically the Dutch coach Rinus Michels came up with it, but Cruijff perfected it) which led the club to a complete domination globally, Barcelona was the numero uno football/soccer club in the world for half a decade in mid-2000's
Yes, Cruyff is the guy who revolutionised modern football. He had an immense impact on the sport as a player, even a bigger impact as a manager. He'd probably be up there in debate with Maradona and Pele as old time greats if he had won that 74 wc final but for me, wc doesn't define a player.
He is also the first true professional football player as he was the first in the world that demands a contract renegotiation (with Ajax) and the first football player that using an agent to do just that.
I think that's a silly statement that I hear. Engineers would choose the most effective player. Messi chooses the most effective options almost every time.
Don't agree. Messi now is clearly one or two levels above Ronaldo. He is on the Maradona and Pele level. Ronaldo, although being fantastic and the second best player of the generation, isn't on that level
He had more natural talent as did Brazilian Ronaldo. But they had poor longevity. Messi and Ronaldo especially are extremely disciplined and consistent. But R. Nazario was unstoppable on the pitch and Maradona was put magic. I still watch Maradona clips and I’m like “how the hell did he pull that?”
Coming back 10 months later to say Ronaldo is accomplishing more than Messi in 2023, and the Saudi League skyrocketed in the competitive level in a few months so... 😅
You are forgiven from comparing Messi to Antetokounmpo because football may not be the sport you grew up watching. And that’s key. As great as this 2022 WC final was, Messi’s legacy is remarkable. Having grown up watching football and 80’s basketball I’d compared Messi’s legacy and problem solving abilities to that of MJ himself.
Great analysis Andrew. Bravo! I've been watching both these guys for their entire careers and I couldn't agree more. Messi has always been leagues ahead of anyone...
People seem to forget Ronaldo’s leadership quality, and the fact that he has consistently challenged himself and went from club to club and won virtually every trophy there is. Apart from the world cup obviously. But the man loves to push himself and is constantly driven to improve.
He's not the only player in the football world to push himself. Y'all hype him too much. Even with all that pushing he isn't world class anymore. Thus no UCL club wants him. Every player requires to push himself to keep relevant according to game especially when it comes to division 3 and above
@@anasazhar2525 at the age of34, 35,36all of the greates player finished while ronaldo still third top scorer in the premier league nominated to a baloondor at the age of 37 🤷🏽♂️
@@CuriousPug12 it's fascinating how much of a difference being much gifted does. Both in their prime are probably close in level. Some would argue Ronaldo got the advantage because of his hight and physicality. But the difference is obvious once they get older.
I’m surprised they’re not talking about Mbappe after this World Cup. But then again they don’t follow football that closely. I appreciate that they’re trying lol
The only things that were missing in Messi's game were appearing when their team needed him most and winning the world cup. In the end of his career he achieved both. It's the goat.
As a Messi fan, he's absolutely the goat but Ronaldo is getting too much critique rn. It's his first bad year in like 20 years. Comparing him to Harden is an insult. Ronaldo is factually in the top 4 of the sport ever. Arguably number 2
People who never played football at highest level will never be able to understand that both CR7 and LM10 are incomprehensibly skilled both physically and football IQ.
I did and Ronaldo wasn’t even close. I’ve never seen Ronaldo dribble past 2 players or chip the keeper from the edge of the box. I’ve seen Messi dribble pst 5 players and make passes that would slice the entire back 4. Ronaldo is just a great athlete but Messi is the greatest footballer.
@@EnterNet9 "miles better" is such an exaggerated statement considering the fact within that same era they both had an equal amount of Ballondors and Ronaldo won 3 champions leagues back to back... to back. They both shared the stage but Ronaldo was owning Europe you can't deny
@@engrademafias I'm talking about individual performances. Go check their stats, match ratings within the same time frame. Messi was a clear top. Real Madrid had a very good squad which dominated Europe, that's why CR won the ballon d'ors consecutively.
The only World Cup Mbappe lost was against Messi The only Champions League Ronaldo lost was against Messi The only Copa America Neymar lost was against Messi Debate is over. Messi is the GOAT. He won everything.
The Ronaldo disrespect is crazy. He hasn't been the same since his son died, yeah he currently isn't as good as Messi, but to ignore his entire career and pretend like he hasn't broken records that the likes of Messi still hasn't broken... Just crazy. People been calling both of them GOATs for years while neither had a WC trophy, so why does Ronaldo lose GOAT status now? If Argentina hadn't won, would Messi not be a GOAT?
When the guy on the left mentioned bench Andrew said ignore that and focus on their peaks they are not considering off the field issues but what they said is inevitability true Messi at an older age is more effective the world cup changed nothing for me he was always clear in the later stages of their career Madrid had the best team in the UCL for Ronaldo while Barcelona had a weak team for 4 years after Neymar
@@Syndor12 thats how I know u don't watch ball , barca had some of their worst squads those years , messi was outscoring and outsssisting ronaldo but the team was just really bad
I have never seen an American understanding football/soccer this much. The way he is explaining every single detail is just wonderful. And I wish the next 2026 FIFA world cup in the USA, Mexico & Canada will make a lot of crazy football/soccer fans in that north zone.
@@christophplank8972 I agree but casuals are more impressed by step overs, bicycle kicks, 40 meter shots, etc. Messi plays more fundamental football, more effective but less flashy
Johan Cruijff is one of the greatest players to have never won a World Cup, But I believe that the greatest player to have never won a world cup was Alfredo Di Stéfano! (Honorable Mentions : Eusebio from Portugal and Michel Platini from France)
@@fahda04 they competed against each other for over a decade on stacked teams with crazy budgets and their stats were often down 50-50, switching Ballon d’or, prizes, breaking records, and openly competitive against each other. Argentina is and was a better team than Portugal.
@@Fivetimesthree look up the stats man, in terms of goals, and especially assists, dribbles, chances created, key passes messi is way better. In terms of trophy’s to, but to be fair, ronaldo has 5 titles of the champions leugue and messi 4.
Well yeah, but when talking about the number one, he is no in the selection. That is the theme of discussion. If it was about inspirational bullshit, so subjective, well, there you have it, CR7 is the best...
@@Andres_g.Vinspirational is failing as many times at the international races and failing again and getting all the hate from his own country media and the Spanish media, and failing and trying again and coming back and wining copa America, finalisima, and the World Cup.
@@Heimerh..... I don't care... What he is. If you say Ronaldo doesn't have the skills like Messi..... And he is still among the elites at 38 years of age, and the debate is still raging..... Then ofcourse Ronaldo works harder than him, that even without having the so called talent .. He is up their amongst the greats. So his work ethics is beyond comparison... Or he has got equal skills to Messi. Which one is it?
I see that we have a gigantic generation of fans that grew up on CR7 and Messi, and that is fantastic. We will hardly witness a bigger and more controversial worldwide discussion than Ronaldo vs Messi. These two were UNBELIEVABLE. That said, Kaká was the one who made me love Football. I support Milan just because of him. He was magic.
Do you guys even realise that Ronaldo has literally scored more goals than any other person in Footbal History??? Messi and Ronaldo are not leagues apart. And I'm a Messi fan and prefer him over Ronaldo
@@Attitude-royale what does that prove? Messi still has a higher goal ratio and far more assists, Messi can dribble and create plays. Cristiano was never able to do this.
No, deffinetely not leagues. They were wrong. They are Galaxies apart. And with this WC performance and win, Ronaldo becomes irrelevant in this debate.
Messi is miles ahead in terms of talent. However, in terms of the players they eventually became and the careers they had, its very close. What bridged the gap was ronaldo’s unrelenting work ethic and drive. This by no means implies Messi does not work hard himself, he sure does, but Ronaldo’s work ethic is the standard that the vast majority, if any, will ever reach. This is also why many idolize him over Messi.
I prefer Messi way of being humble over Ronado's ego and arrogance. The fact that he was realty quiet and still a beast on the field was the thing that made me like him over Ronaldo. The guy never, ever, claimed he was the best (unlike Ronaldo that said it many times), and yet he was the better of the two all the time. Ronaldo fans like him because they probably relaye more to his personality, many of us Messi fans like Messi more because he is pretty much the opposite of Ronaldo. A humble and selfless prodigy
