The MSM and Army PR lied their ass off about what happened and tried to make out Jessica was a war time hero. They wanted her to go along with it. Pressure was put on her but she would not have any of it. She would not dishonor her fellow soldiers. She told the truth from the very beginning. That makes her a very special kind of hero. Jessica, there's millions of us military vets who love you.
@@user-ff2yl3bx2sshe was a young woman being pressured in a way you have never…but tell us how it should be and how you KNOW you would do different. With never actually doing shit ever.
@WhatnotChaser Okay but that's irrelevant to the Point he's making though She's the one who went along with the story. Willingly and only recanted it when her bullshit was called out
The one thing I learned about combat…..it is nothing like the way it is depicted most of the time. There is no drama, no music, no bravado, there is fear, anticipation, anxiety, and if you are in a good group, absolute focus. Emotion is either totally suppressed or only vented in private. The thought of “ How the hell did I end up here?” Seemed pretty common to me. I never remember feeling fearful for myself, but I remember being scared to death for the friends I couldn’t immediately support. Decades later, I am still trying to make peace with the ghosts.
Donald Martin thank you for your sacrifice I believe serving your country is above all! No Congressman, President,Athlete or what have you deserves higher praise than you ,so thank you
@@robtolley1647 100%. Well put. I'm glad that 99% of our people never have to experience something like that, but at the same time yeah like you said, for those that do volunteer to run towards the bullets, there's no higher calling no greater sense of purpose, no more meaningful charity than being willing to lay your life down for your brothers, your ideals, your country
I'm sorry you have to deal with that man. If you ever need someone to talk to I can give you my phone number or email. I've never served but I want to join the army soon, and while nothing is the same as experiencing combat, I've been an addict and had severe depression so I'm not coming from a place of total ignorance anyway. Jason, the main character on an incredible show called Seal Team, describes it as footsteps. The folks he's killed, even when it was 100% justified n saved the lives of a ton of innocent people, the brothers' he's lost, people he was unable to save, friends and loved ones....their footsteps follow him and he mentions that they keep catching up. However later on in season 5 he's had enough and seen so much that on someone else's recommendation he tries San Pedro cactus (Mescaline), and like most psychedelics for folks who are willing, ready, and able, it significantly helps with his ptsd, depression, and anxiety. Didn't know if maybe you'd be interested in something like that? : ) Good luck and best wishes regardless brotha, I hope you find peace and contentment with everything, genuinely
@Alexander Smith Oh the irony of you commenting this ridiculously misogynistic and asinine drivel made me smile. Keep on being the shitbag you were intended to be to give statements such as the one above the validity it needs to give it that extra push it needs.
@Alexander Smith Lol dude, if you have a problem with soldiers only joining up for the GI Bill then you basically have a problem with almost every enlisted man or woman we have or have had since 1945.
@@reattacasarochas7286 The individuals dying on the battlefield likely often believe in their hearts they are helping and liberating the oppressed. Yes, I understand it's more complicated than that... But a hero is always a villain to someone. Also, the ants have rpgs and pkms, not the best but they're not fighting with sticks. Plus theyre in their homeland (think vietnam), and there's only so many AC-130s to go around... I'd say there are many actions worthy of 'heroism' within these parameters.
It is pretty shocking but they don't like to be called heroes even though they are. I was watching a documentary about a kid who died on his second tour. It was strange because he came back the first time and suffered from ptsd and really struggled but then reenlisted and his parents couldn't understand it. What shocked me even more was the military letting him even though he was in counseling groups. This guy was really screwed up but for some reason he just wanted to be back in the war. I consider him a hero but man if I was his parents and saw him having fits of anger, road rage, smashing up the home, then he went back and died.. Wow that is hard to process.
You went to a war based on lies. There are no heroes. I’m sorry for being harsh but we need to hold these evil men at the top accountable and stop calling the ones at the bottom heroes. Being honest about the situation is the only ethical way forward.
"The helicopter took 27 rounds but not a single person was even hit, it was crazy" Oh wait no, the door gunner was shot right through the head... yeah he died instantly But everyone else was good
You should listen to Joe’s comments about LEO tactics and drunk drivers he made the other day w/ Weinstein when discussing Rayshard Brooks. Love his show but sometimes he tries to speak authoritatively on subjects he does not know a lot about....
@@nickcurry3051 I'm glad to hear someone who felt the same. I have no sympathy for drunk drivers. Every single drunk who gets behind the wheel of a car is a potential murderer in my eyes. Disappointing to hear Joe so dismissive of it.
What shocks me the most is we men get raped to if they capture us. I figured the usual torture and head cutting off stuff but not men getting raped by other men.
Andy’s stories are endlessly interesting. And they’re still not long enough. You know it’s a good pod when Joe is silent and listens. Nothing but respect for Andy.
@@NinjaSushi2 oh man couldn’t agree more. Joe is a super under rated interviewer. He knows what to ask and how to listen. Two qualities most interviewers or pod hosts can’t comprehend
@@AKinkySasquatch you are 100% correct I sub to Jocko’s channel as well but haven’t listened to Reeder or Meyer. I’ll definitely check it out. Big thanks
Our Drill Sergeants always made sure we cleaned our weapons and said we didn’t want to be like Jessica Lynch. The real narrative has always been out there amongst the troops.
The real narrative is that in the Middle East, cleaning your weapon will only keep it clean for a short time. Realistically, the M-16 is a shit assault rifle. Jams if you look at it wrong.
Andy Stumpf was in DEVGRU for some years, until he got shot and severely wounded in combat. He’s got a hell of a story and the fact it isn’t more well known speaks volumes about his humility.
@@jackcissell9647 At one point Andy was also a white house liaison, so involved directly with targeting and deciding what goes on in the region, while still going back to do a combat rotation after this....dude is legit.
Joe Rogan is a great interviewer. Really knows how to ask a question, STFU and listen to the response. A lot of interviewers today need to watch this guy and learn from him!
@@yikes6969 Go watch a Howard Stern interview. You’ll be running back to Joe Rogan. Howard Stern should offer a class in how NOT to interview anyone because he’s fuckin’ garbage at it.
I think Joe is good at interviewing He asks short open ended questions and follows up on key parts So many get in the middle of a question then start a second question so the first question is lost.
It's the long-form format which allows for this, on TV their time is limited so they have to try to get to the nub of the story much quicker. I don't watch TV anymore because I have become spoiled by the likes of Joe Rogan, Lex Fridman and Sam Harris, there's no going back for me!
Imagine training for years to be part of a special operations helicopter crew, get shot in the head before you even drop off the SEALS, and almost 17 years later you are a meme in the comments of the guy from fear factor's podcast.
@Colonel Silver That's life, dude. We don't have the brain capacity to remember every little life, unless we know them personally or they did something to become a legend. History is written by those who make it to the end; and for those who are lost along the way, they live on in the memories of their loved ones. So, spare me the tin foil hat anti establishment routine.
I have a friend who is also a operator involved in the rescue, he had told me the same thing. And this was shortly after returning. Good news was that our team had also gotten a hold of her captors and retribution was given
I don't understand why they get to torture us when we get kidnapped but we are supposed to treat them a certain way when we kidnap them. It pisses me off when I hear about soldiers getting in trouble at home because they did something "dishonorable" to an enemy. These bs fake moral concepts are so stupid.
@@niksatt4843, It's called the Geneva Convention. As a part of the UN, the US adheres to a code of conduct. Most middle eastern countries aren't a part of that and could give two shits.
Jessica Lynch didn't fight to her last round and get captured. I was deployed to Tikrit during OIF-1 and got the real story in the TOC. To start off, her unit got in trouble for 2 reasons: 1. They got lost. I don't know how they managed that with all the GPS access they had and a handful of vehicles that also had Iraq maps downloaded to computers mounted in leader's vehicle,but there you go. They got off the MSR and wandered into an ambush on a tight road in a small town. Wouldn't you know they ran into the few of Saddam's forces who were still fighting. 2. She was in a Maintenance Company and they did piss-poor maintenance (on both their vehicles and weapons. They had multiple vehicle breakdown (and I assume had their mechanics working their asses off) and when it came to the fight, the survivors reported multiple weapons stoppages. You can't set up a perimeter if the best you can do is throw stones. This wasn't the soldier's fault. They didn't know anything and a soldier will try to get away with what they can. This was a failure in leadership. Even if the leadership had never been to combat, they knew the standards for Land Navigation (with a compass or with a GPS with maps.) They knew the standard for PMCS. They knew the standards for rifle maintenance and qualification. They just didn't enforce any of them. There were to heroes deserving of medals. One soldier (who'd properly cleaned his rifle returned fire until he was killed. Another returned fire even though he kept having to slam up on his magazine to seat a round and manually charge the weapon after each shot. He survived and was picked up by a QRF unit. So Jessica was driving a truck that either took disabling fire or broke down during the ambush. Soldiers were getting killed and she saw her roommate's vehicle. It was either the CDR's or 1SG's vehicle. (Y'know, the ones that got the company lost.) She got in the vehicle and had to sit in the flat middle of it. The truck crashed and Jessica received her injuries from slamming into the metal radio mounts. I believe the only survivors from that vehicle were her and the driver (her roommate...who later died from her injuries. They were taken to a hospital and we know the rest of the story from there. To Jessica's credit, once she was mobile again (and able to deal with the psychological stresses), she told the truth about her experience and put the BS Bush administration narrative about her "heroic" actions to rest. To paraphrase her, the truck she was driving broke down and she hitched a ride in another vehi that crashed. And how do I remember this? My unit was at Fort Hood prepping for deployment when this happened and we spent (at least my section - thank you MSG Favela) all the time we could ensuring our vehicles were perfect (and had extras of what we needed. He set us up for success and I looked at Jessica's Maintenance Company as an example of what NOT to do. My command and fellow NCOs made certain that our soldiers had refresher map reading, Iraq-specific map reading, were familiar with our GPS devices (to include FBCB2) and of course did all the weapons maintenance and small arms ranges we could. If we went out, we weren't going out like that. Still, Jessica and the other soldiers in her unit do deserve some credit. They went to war and put their lives at risk. That's something you won't see many civilians do even under the safest of situations.
I was in nasiriyah when all this shit went down, I over heard tons of shit over the net ( I'm fleet sat comm) you my friend may have details but they are finely skewed.
Army Pvt. 2 Ruben Estrella-Soto WAS A HERO NO ONE REMBERS. he was one who returned fire got hit and kept firing and died. THEY WHERE MY SUPPLY UINIT FOR OUTR DETACHMENT. and I hate no one remembers this hero. He was Hispanic she was white and she is the hero is utter bullshit. He took 11 shots and kept on firing.
they crouched behind the tires her and her TC. I don't blame them not everyone is cut out for this but yes I 100% can vouch for this like i said they where our supply unit.
@@charlesadams1501 You can't blame people for wondering what happened when they burned his uniform and journal then repeatedly lied about it. So there was conspiracy just no one knows if it began before or after he was killed.
I was an army air assault infantryman with 2 dudes that went through RIP with him. They said he was a huge dick but a monster super athlete. I guess that’s what happens when you’re around highschool age kids and you’re a nfl level athlete lol. No patience.
@@manuelmateo3392 that guy can barely squat 200lbs. This what is called a big fish story. People that say they ruck with 100lbs for several miles are full of it. Anything north of 75lbs with full kit is break anyone. SEAL Ranger SF crossfit turd doesn't.
@@paulmeyers1940 what makes you so knowledgeable on the situation? Have you served? Are you trained in the art of war? Are you aware of what some of these gentlemen are capable off? NO? didn't think so, so stfu and thank them for their service.
@@MrAdamske lol yes. But dont take my word for it. Get a ruck put four 45lbs plats in it. Thats 180lbs with the ruck frame of 10lbs to 15lbs depending on the model. Make sure its on a desk or some place position you body to it because you not lifting it to your back unless you very strong. Then simply walk as far as you can. Im sure you'll do great. 200lbs rucking is a big fish story
Thank you for the honesty. My uncle was a POW in Japan during WW2. Of everything said or printed about the POW experience the FACT of rape is never mentioned. People assume it for women but for men it is an unspoken horror. Thank you.
Rape is one of the most effective tools of war. I learnt about it in class. In Africa in some conflicts over there rape is used to emasculate soldiers, and some are even rejected from their communities if they have been raped. (Talking about the rape of fighting males)
@@spookyt8692 I've watched a good many presentations on the Japanese atrocities of WW2. One of the things that pisses me off is when people like to pretend that "oh, everyone does bad things in war, there was bad stuff on all sides, whatever"; all that moral relativism crap. Nah, it's pretty simple to me: whichever side has torture/rape/execution of helpless people as SOP are the bad guys. You dont have to bend your mind into a pretzel to figure that out, it's real simple. It helps explain why the Japanese didn't want to surrender. They knew that in reality they DESERVED to have something like the "rape of nanking" happen in each one of their cities. The bombs were a mercy.
@@ManDuderGuy wanna talk about the rape of German women by American soldiers after ww2? There are books about it. The numbers are horrendous. There are interesting statistics in regards to abortions being made during that time. Between 10-20% of victims kept the baby and given that number, the likely amount of rapes perpetrated by American soldiers are an embarrassment.
In 2015, I worked with a guy who was also on the team that rescued Jessica. All he said was “Jessica Lynch, Jessica Lynch. Everybody wants to talk about that. Of all the missions we went on, that was one of the easier, less dangerous events.” The media hyped it up so much, it doesn’t surprise me that some know-nothings were trying to get her an MOH.
I’m gonna assume seeing people die instantly isn’t part of your day job and this is probably pretty shocking to you. He was probably thinking of his particular squad that didn’t get hit. The air crew isn’t always part of the same team as the ground.
Rocko 333 traumatic brain injury from multiple concussions which you get tons of during multiple combat deployments plus PTSD makes your memory shot. Not to mention the likely use of drugs and alcohol when he came home. It’s easy to forget stuff when you’re battling all this shit
He never says the guy dies when a concussion could have occurred or the gunner deflecting a bullet. But, it’s common to see so many deaths that it becomes a casualty of war.
@@ArmyHulk These SF teams are also full of a lot of infighting and bullshit PTA/HOA-esque politics. Could have just been a dude he wasn't very fond of or didnt like so he didnt really remember him. Not that it's an easy thing to forget but if you do 50 missions with a bunch of your buddies you might forget that one guy you didnt like who got shot.
We were engaged in our first combat mission ever in Iraq. I was the .50cal gunner in the Humvee and I actually enjoyed the adrenaline rush and felt my training kept me very calm and focused. The training the military gives for these situations really does work and it comes when you need it most like second nature.
All jokes aside you have to have balls of steel to run a technical back then now as days we have computer commanded auto turrets with operator sitting in a control seat with monitors in the back seat of the bearcats
Hearing about Jessica giving Andy a huge hug is just awesome! Went and saved a P.O.W. For his second mission. That was a great episode on “Cleared Hot”
What actually happened to Jessica Lynch made her 100% worthy of honor, respect and sympathy. She rightfully earned her country's admiration and respect. The fact that the government chose to twist it 180 degrees into a completely made-up tale is disgusting. Us service members and veterans are always appalled at veterans who overstate their service or make up heroic shit that didn't happen. (Which Jessica herself did NOT do) We call it "Stolen Valor." The fact that the government itself takes part in that disgusting practice is quite disturbing. But then again, what do we expect? 🤷♂️
@@terriecotham1567 I was made to watch that stupid movie back in High School ( in the late 1960's) Me and my classmates were not very sophisticated back then but we even knew then it was crap and laughed thru the whole movie.
@@2bigbufords What's sad is some people possible thank it's real even onto days world Kind of like seeing police take someone to jail for DUI because they smell pot when there's no real test other than a ride Side stand wall and touch your nose. But Alcohol still is a dangerous drug after all just look at the Ex speaker of the house husband who went to jail Makes one wounder what some police departments are teaching the young officers If you get the time open a cold beer or not and watch policing for proffer News 5 story it's not a 15 hit peace on the police going after cash on I 40 across the state of Tennessee But a well done deep dive across the state over 2 year's if I remember right and it's one to two hours long Be safe
Jessica showed true honor and integrity when she refuted the claims that she fought until she ran out of rounds. I know plenty of people in the army who would’ve taken that story and ran with it.
Because people are stupid,she had a severely fractured spine,broken hand,broken leg,and various other medical issues,any idiot who thinks she did any fighting would be a fool
What pissed me off about this Mitch was she was awarded, purple heart, Bronz star, my buddy who was in Fallujah battle, he was awarded the same 2 Medals, he actualy had bullet holes in his body, and had more than a dozen kills. UnFair.
@@paulhowell4433 To add onto that, now more than ever is a time where awards will be given out like candy. Due to the drawback of combat operations. Such as, Purple Hearts for concussions, CIB/CAB/CMB for IDF and some others. When I was in Iraq earlier this year. BDE put down a requirement for all combat badges to be “Performing duties during indirect fire such as seeking a shelter during an attack.” The first time we took idf. The closest mortar hit about 200-300 meters away (there were conflicting reports, they barely made the ground shake on impact) people felt they deserved their combat badge for that. I laughed and thought “well if I get it at least it’s worth promotion points.” It’s sad. The army has turned into a fashion show in regards to awards. Here’s an ARCOM for doing your job to standard. Here’s a CAB for running to a shelter during an IDF attack that was nowhere near danger close.
@@generousmitch1674 Just to put in you the "Now". They put a cap on most these awards per BDE and higher and make them very challenging to get. You can always contest your buddy award for an upgrade! Others have been trying for years to get upgraded!
I heard jessica lynch speak after her rescue. She stated that she laid on the floor of her vehicle and screamed. She said that she never fired her weapon at all. And the STUPID army brass gave her the Silver Star. Shameful.
"people are often in a rush to talk in an educated manner about things they know nothing about" the most accurate statement ever, especially in society today.
Just seeing this video now after watching a Jessica lynch documentary and this Andy guy is a hero for helping to save her. I praise all those ppl as hero's because they deserve it 100%
First off, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE! I was a diesel mechanic during the 911 attacks for the US military. in 2003 the war in Iraq started, and we went from 40 hours a week to 7/12's and then 7/16s over night! After a while we all fell into routine and it was just sleep, work, work sleep. After the MOB of 2003, we were tasked for the DeMOB, of that year as well as anything that was going back. I had a 5 ton tractor come through my bay, work order was not complicated, but I brought it in anyway. As I was waiting for the air to build, I did my usual checks , and since the air was slow, I had time to see more. I was looking at the cab stuff, and noticed there were names carved in the steering wheel. It was like, Carverkia, mendezmia, joneskia. It made no sense to me, until I was about 500 feet from pulling into the shop bay I used. These weren't the actual names, but these were the names that were killed, and missing in that unit! MIA, KIA, it took a bit for me to get that! Almost immediately I started to cry, I pulled that truck into the shop, and called all the guys to it! I told them to read that wheel, and think about why we are here! That moment bonded us all to that war and too those kids we lost! Never again would I overlook anything on any vehicle I sent to that sand box! It's been almost 20 years since this, and I still cry! I cry because I may have not done enough, or I may have saved a life, or I may have not made any difference at all. But our kids did! Our kids died! And our families hurt every day because of these sacrifices! My pain is small, but it matters just as much as any other loss to this war!
It is chillingly apparent that the people who make war their aim never truly understand what a train wreck they put their soldiers through in action. To live through that and come out intact is rare indeed. Great information and interview right there.
They don’t give a damn. The true powers that be profit off of war immensely, they don’t care about Johnny private 18 years old from West Virginia. Our congressmen aren’t any better either, save for a few that have actually served… but my belief is that to make it to national level politics, you have to be somewhat corrupt in todays day and age. It’s all very sad what has become of this country. We learn about all this gender crap, political correctness, pandering to certain groups… yet the people that actually make this country successful or that sacrifice for this country are barely remembered or honored. Athletes and rappers get more attention than people who have sacrificed. It won’t be much longer until nobody learns how this country was formed, the sacrifices people gave to the country, the meaning of freedom, and so forth. They are already telling us the founding fathers are racist, that this country is only for a certain group of people, and everybody is a victim who isn’t part of that group.
To this day as an E-8 I still argue with commanders and soldiers alike about why mechanics and cooks need to be familiar with their weapon systems, how to do map reading, and certain other soldier tasks they routinely get left out of….. Jessica’s unit was a maintenance unit, and they should have known they weren’t where they were supposed to be when they crossed a bridge. Even someone shitty at map reading should understand the significance of a bridge if they went over the route earlier (map recon) and there were no bridges on their route…
U know this guys life is crazy when he forgets that the dude next to him got shot in the head on his first mission. Like “was that on my first mission? Or was it on the one a few months later? No it has to have been the first cuz I remember it was so and so who got shot the next time”
His mind was on his team. So he is probably thinking like "nobody (in my team) got hit. Probably also a survival/defense mechanism. If he dwelt on it too much he might loose perspective or even worse.
Thank you dude, I had to aslo. Thought maybe he was talking about a vehicle, and then I was like wtf, he said he is talking about his personal gear.. lol dudes superman
The convoy Lynch was in got jacked up cause you had a bunch of soldiers who had MOS's so far from being infantry that these guys were condition 4 (no mag inserted, no round in chamber, bolt forward blah blah blah) in the middle of a war warzone. When they took contact they had no idea how to handle it. There was one male soldier who returned fire and dropped a few guys but everyone else was caught with their pants down. J.L. was literally just a public relations stunt. Its pathetic and unjust how bad the story was spun that it wasn't until years later the public learned about the one guy who actually fought back (I think he was posthumously awarded a bronze or silver star with Valor device).
Andy interviews Jessica Lynch on his podcast “Cleared Hot,” episode 45. In reference to his description of the helicopter he flew to the hospital on, he made clear in the episode that it took 27 rounds while flying in and landing. The gunner was not struck in the head until the helicopter had landed. And the gunner survived. He went on to note he (Andy) used his own jacket to wrap the gunner’s head, and after getting back to base he recalled looking out into the desert and seeing Pat Tillman (also acted on the same rescue mission and a hero in his own right) doing parachute wind sprints in the desert heat as Andy washed the jacket he used for the gunner. You can’t make this stuff up. Unbelievable.
Nothing but respect Mr. Stumpf. I have nothing but respect for Jessica Lynch.as well. She came out and told the truth as she remembered more and more. She brought attention to the people that died doing the very things she was alleged to have done
We were in Nasiriyah fighting when that went down. We recovered the bodies of the left dead in and under their convoy vehicles. I know some parts of that story leading up to her rescue. We searched for them for about a week after our route was secured. An Iraqi doctor stopped at a check point finally and told us where she was. Very very accurate about their ambulances being used to launch attacks.
@@jamess5226 it’s a great story. We lost 18 friends/ Marines that day. A lot of it was due to their convoy failing to make turn. Drove right past our tanks and tracks. We were supppsed to secure the two bridges in the town and clear the city. I’ll never forget the look on our gunny’ season face when they sped right past our a tanks and armored tracks. They drove right in the teeth of Indian country. Made it through the city without incident. When they realized their mistake their CO turned around and drove back to through the city. I imagine it gave the fedayeen and republican guard tons of confide, think that was an American direct action force. They fought like hell. I remember making it past the second bridge over sadam canal, right where they turned around, and came upon an Iraqi army barracks, HQ.Eight of our 18 Marine killed that day came at the hands of an A10. I don’t know how the didn’t see our panel markers, but they made 3 Gunn runs on us before word got to them to cease fire. The road between the two bridges became know as ambush alley. It literally looked like someone dumped hamburger meat all over the road in that two mile stretch. We would drop them in the street. When our Abraham’s came thundering down the road, there was no time to turn or dodge them. It’s surreal to this day to think about it. But after awhile they would charge us with ambulances and white taxis with orange quarter panels. A day before the rescue went down, I remember these long bearded American using civilian trucks to move around. The night of the rescue, we took up a perimeter down from the hospital. They would come out of the wood works when they heard our gunfire. So we staged a faint fire fight that night right before the rescue went down. Their CO’s mistake change our whole objective and we paid the price. Ewwww I was bitter at that woman for so long. When we got back to the states, her story was everywhere and zero about our brothers who died in that shit hole. But the ended up writing a book about it all. It’s called “Marines in theGarden of Eden’. I strongly encourage you to read that book. Remember the remains and their badass lives. Thanks for letting me share. There is so much more to the history.
@@CD-pk7xr Wow. That's an epic story and insight that you don't get often. There is nothing worse than a blue-on-blue and to lose 18 brothers that way.. that's hard to reconcile. Thanks for the book recommendation, I'll look it up. Finally, thank you for sharing this first hand account, and of course, for your service!
@@jamess5226 we only lost 7 at the hands of the A10 pilot. The rest were killed in fighting. Fog of war is real and can be very terrifying. Still, I recommend that book. I haven’t read it personally. No need to really. But I do know the author well and trust him to share the stories of our guys. Thanks for reading if you can get around to it. I’m sure there is a lot about the Lynch ordeal. It blew our minds when we got back and all the media pay it got.
@old man strength Air Force not working with marines. We had no JTAC controller. This was in 2003 so it’s not too recent. We had panel markers on our vehicle. I don’t know. I’m thinking the pilot was operating out of his area. But the fog of war is not a made up thing. Especially in the early days of Iraq invasion.
Everyone should be as humble..and kick ass when needed..I'm Canadian but still thank you for your service sir.. My grandfather is retired air force Greenwood nova Scotia
There was once a time when things like Andy is talking about were kept to behind the door conversations or never spoken of again or made into folklore in a sense. The fact that he can come out and humbly depict actual events versus what was portrayed by the media and the people in power at the time sums up enough that the truth is never truly spoken of. I really appreciate men like Andy who just keep it real a don't BS the facts or talk about stuff they know nothing about. I've seen plenty of stuff in my time in the Navy that gets easily misinformed out to the public.
@@bigdeal6852 Don't think the military going "woke" has fucking thing to do low recruitment numbers low recruitment is probably more to do with the fact we just got out of 2 decades long pointless war and patriotism is at an all time low
@@michaelmayo2489 Yeah okay.....tell that to the people that resigned or were told to resign because of the Woke agenda ! Even though I will agree with you about the last two decades of war didn't help....but that's DEFINITELY not ALL of the reason. Uncle Joe's debacle withdrawal in Afghanistan didn't help either (especially leaving Americans behind and taking who knows what on planes) That lying no good puppet piece of 💩.
Andy is legit !!!!! Most humble and honest man I got to meet personally. He was my Crossfit Level 1 instructor and till this day the best one I ever met !!!
My unit was tasked with taking Al Nasiriya. We entered the city and drove past all of the 507th burning vehicles. We were told we were the first Americans to go in and were surprised to see destroyed American vehicles as we entered. We later learned that they were lost and separated from their main convoy (the Army’s 3 ID)and enter the city by mistake. We took our objectives and then supported the rescue. Still bummed we didn’t get their sooner.
Neal, my son was a marine then in Task Force Tarawa, and told me back then the same thing you are saying. They were pulled over between the two bridges (to enter An Nasariyah) and watched an army crew who were lost and entered the city first (when only the marines are supposed to go in first) that's when the "Jessica Lynch" saga began, after she smashed into a apc with her hummer and got busted up! Then came the capture and then the rescue. Anyhow, thanks for your service man!!!! One of the few times that I got to speak to my son was in Iraq, he told me "dad, believe very LITTLE of what you hear on the news about this war!!!!!!!!! Bad then and worse now!!!!!
I was flying that night (Badger 22) and basically watched it from overhead. In addition I had comms and ran high escort/CAP on the egress. The beginning of many long days and nights over in the sandbox! Thank You to all the troops on the ground who did the dirty work...
@@taylorfeece9248 she was most certainly abused as a POW however due to the immense trauma it's unlikely she has any memory of it (which is probably for the best)
The stuff you learn from listening to gentlemen like this is immensely valuable thank you for valor and your ability to convey to us people who have absolutely no idea the levels of proximity you fellows endured thank you immensely, (and I'm a hippie lol) peace out.....
Jessica is from a county over from my home here. I have never met her, but just want to say that I know she spent much time there at home after her experiences. While it is not materially rich, it is full of small town charm, wonderful people, beautiful countryside and very serene. Hopefully, it was a big aid in her recovery.
Eddie Bravo wad desperately trying to dial in during the podcast to tell the "real" truth of what went down in Iraq but Jamie kept hanging up on Eddie.
JR needs to have a podcast with Eddie Bravo, Jesse Ventura, the Greek guy from Ancient Aliens, Bobo from Finding Bigfoot, Bob Lazar (his new “manager” too), and Alex Jones.... just let them roll with no interruption. Now that will be some entertainment.
I Remember when they rescued Jessica Lynch... they also rescued Lori Pestewa first Native American female to lose her life in a war Jessica later name here daughter after Lori
I remember my drill sgt in basic 2004 using Jessica as an example of why you need to maintain your weapon. Even in 2004, the narrative at least within the Army was “her gun jammed and she never got a shot off”. I haven’t watched the podcast with her side of the story so i don’t know if weapon maintenance played a role or not. I wonder if I was receiving some sort of inside info from my Drill Sgt now looking back. This was early 2004 too. March to May 2004
I seriously doubt her weapon was dirty from use but it could have been dirty from dust plus as a maintenance soldier who deployed in 2003 she most likely had older rounds and a M16A2 from the 80s. Maintenance units always got shitty equipment compared to combat units.
they did a investigation and tried every which way to make her weapon jam and couldnt, thats fine whatever she wants come clean but it sure dont stop her from making book and movie deals and accepting awards for heroism
@@klassky17kingklassky81 Dude looks normal these thirsty bitches are overacting there is literally nothing to be jelous about.Comment caught my eye because you can see milions of comments just like hers obssesing about age stupid stuff especially when some looks his age.
I’m guessing the pilots and something like a door gunner are separate units. So to him they didn’t lose anyone on his “team”. For him his team would be the guys he trains with for thousands.
Regarding the amount of equipment and weight he had to carry, it's interesting how each generation within the military repeat the same mistakes that was learned and forgotten. During D-Day invasion of Normandy, US soldiers who hit Omaha beach were carrying so much equipment that many drowned when their landing craft were hit and they had to jump into the water. In one of the famous footage filmed of Bloody Omaha, you can see infantrymen trying to run to cover all so slowly because of the massive weight of what they had to carry.
when there is a significant chance there will be no supply, no reinforcements, and no evac out, you pack everything humanly possible in preparation for the worst case scenario and everything you need to complete the mission.
A buddy from high school was in Blackwater at that time and claimed that they were security for the SEALS on that mission. He always said it didn't happen at all like they said on the news.
The guy that trained me in my armed security job was in Blackwater and his version was nowhere near what the news pushed. They came back as Triple Canopy and he went back as a contract negotiator and he told me that he’d bring me in when he gets settled.
From what I remember, her convoy got lost. They drove through the ambush site, realized they were lost and then proceeded to attempt driving back through the same area again when they got hit. The ambush was set up and waiting when they came back the second time. I was in a reserve Intel unit at the time. Having come from active infantry, I kept pushing my new CO for land nav and react to contact drills. Luckily, my reserve unit just got farmed out for personnel rather than deploying as a unit. As a unit, we could do the Intel jobs just fine, but anything requiring basic soldiers tasks, they were pretty chewed up. There were only 3 of us in the company with any training for anything remotely comparable. 2 ex-infantry and 1 cav scout. Everybody else just lived in the SCIF.
If her convoy got lost - what the hell happend to the security team that guards the convoy? The Commander should have been all over this. A mechanic recovery team needs to have security and a lot of it! If they had a security team with commo they could have got a feed on the town they were going through - and most towns are hostle anyway. Looks like they had bad commander and intel when they went out! BDE & Their Convoy Commander and Security should have been briefed on intel and provided the proper security and keep them on line with coms.
@@Traveler-PKK it was during the initial invasion of IRAQ before all the insurgents came out of the woodwork. They were meant to be on the MSR which was pretty secure at the time. They turned off of it. They also weren't rolling with all the extra security yet like later in the occupation. Their whole situation was FUBAR. They had no training in react to contact or ambush drills. They were just bebopping around like they were off in the back 40.
Andy; "Not a single person got hurt, everyone was fine, it was a miracle. Well I take that back, the door gunner got sniped in his dome and skull fragments were all over the inside of the cab, that was the first time I saw someone die."
As former I combat engineer, I can relate to wearing mopp gear in heat, on top of carrying everything I still had to carry lane clearing equipment. It's torture.
As someone who was in the area when that went down, I can say that he is being 100% accurate about the media portrayal of what really happened. I would always tell family and friends after a deployment of what really went on. Our government had a specific agenda they wanted pushed, and used the media to help facilitate it.
Tell me about look what there doing with this Election I recall we where being handed pills now take this whats this o its for X under tong and spit out they started checking under tong just give me and empi pen
I don't think the government had an agenda. A member of the executive got a little over eager on the first report on the incident and painted the event in the best light. As Stumpf suggested, people talk with certitude about things they have limited knowledge of. First reports are usually wrong and one of the first was that of a "blonde" soldier in her unit who fought heroically ( "like a lion") and the assumption (hope? ) was that it was a female soldier. Once the media got hold of that, it was off to the races.
@@MB2.0 That's how it was portrayed by the heavily left leaning media about a Republican administration who was elected while "losing" the popular vote. Just as it made a huge deal about the first sand storm and claimed it was an operational pause.
@Jen farmer Lol. Most likely not. But as us old school old guys say, never trust an adult male in baseball cap unless he's playing baseball! But, hey society is changing. Thanks for the message and have fun and be safe. Cheers
Jessica Lynch, just riding shotgun on a supply mission that got lost. She told part of her story around 6-7 years after this happened. Heartbreaking and infuriating.
I remember how Lynch harshly criticized the media for reporting only about her, while completely ignoring the two women of color that were involved in her story. That was a really awesome gesture on her part.
@Death is the only freedom Oh, but it very much is. Jessica, herself, openly stated that the media blatantly lied to the public by focusing only on her due to her being a blond woman, while calling the two women of color that she served with, and I quote, "in fact the real heroes". On behalf of her fellow soldiers, she publicly tackled this media behavior for exactly what it was: a racial hierarchy that maintains itself by making non-white women as marginalized or invisible as possible next to white women. And I, a blond man, fully support her in calling it out. This "white is right" nonsense in the media simply needs to stop--yesterday.
@Death is the only freedom A Jewish person who is regurgitating White Nationalist talking points like a braindead zombie. Seems legit. This reminds me of when the Nazis burned down the Reichstag while pretending to be Communists. Far-right types like you are pathological liars and are to be publicly mocked and ridiculed at every opportunity.
@Death is the only freedom Since you're supposedly Jewish, you no doubt know what a fucking Kapo is, right? Go ahead and explain it to everyone here. What is a Kapo, exactly? What did those guys do? Be specific.
There were no WMDs because they didn't exist; it wasn't "Bad intel" that sent these guys to an agriculture school, they knew nothing was there from the getgo.
@Nikolai Ninja thank you. which is exactly why I said what I said. No one likes to think they're wrong. They only like to hop on the edgy bull shit band wagon of, "they fuckin lied bro."
While her weapon did jam, the fact she got it out and try to use it shows her heart. One of the personnel inside the vehicle got out his saw and fired back in self-defense. He is the one who expelled his ammo. I was there in An Nasiryah at the time as a Radio operator and was attached to Charlie Company 1/10 artillery. My unit were the ones who were supposed to go through the area her convoy went through, where the mixup happened that leader ship didn’t fix. To aid in her rescue my company as well as others laid down suppressive artillery fire on enemy forces to clear the way for the special forces. If memory serves me correctly, there were two special forces choppers that went in and one did engage the enemy. Knowing what Miss Lynch went through, my heart goes out to her and I hope that some sort of peace has been found and restored. I pray that the Lord looks out for her as she goes down the road of life, knowing the people within this nation care for her and that there’s a light at the end of every dark tunnel. I know this for a fact because I know the cost of war after five combat deployments. Friends have been lost but I also know that the purity of light is more powerful than the combined might of evil throughout the world. Just know that you’re not alone and it’s OK to be scared.
@@lKILLA well I can’t prove a negative but I can tell you most certainly that the marine Btn 1/10 had nothing to do with and were not in any real proximity to the army supply convoy at that time of the Iraq war so when this guy says he was supposed to be somehow involved in this route is almost certainly false on its face. As a veteran I do pause before calling out fellow veterans but this is clearly a lie. Anyone who knows anything about the first months of the Iraq war knows this is a lie.
I was with the Marines that set up the cordon for these Seals and other SpecOps and I can vouch for this Seal that what he said is true and accurate. This is what I saw happen and he actually is the same age as I am. He is dead on correct. What the media exaggerated, did not happened exactly. It was a mission with little to no resistance.
I didn't work on that story, but when I was a newspaper reporter I did some US military stories, and from my experience and that of most journalists I've worked with, that kind of exaggeration comes from the military PR people, not us. You have to bear in mind that for military stories we are outsiders relying on a very closed system that keeps a very tight control on information and only releases the narrative that it wants told. Too many reporters and media channels don't question those narratives closely enough, but all that stuff about Jessica Lynch that later turned out to be bullshit was the US military and politicians releasing the propaganda story they wanted told - the press had very little opportunity to fact check it until much later.
Judge Glanton that is so cowardly for you to insinuate that military personnel are making up stories for us to look good! Are you shitting me?!?! Just like Trump said, you’re fake news! You journalist main goal is to sell and make money. That’s all you care about! You don’t care about the truth; you care about selling your story. I’m deeply offended for you to blame the military PR personnel as liars looking to make us hero’s!
ISLAND TATT00 as a former Marine myself, I wouldn’t be surprised if the military or government fabricated stories. Like it or not, they have to make the people at home feel good about what’s going on in war. Look at Vietnam. The people turned on the military. So I wouldn’t be surprised if the military fabricates stories to control the narrative. Actually, it makes perfect sense when you think of Vietnam.
Turn Tavern I’m not talking about Vietnam! I’m talking about something I was involved in. Yes, there were lots of lies during the Vietnam war. But this particular story I was involved in I know is legit that media exaggerated it. We were like what? Who said that? That’s all I’m saying.
@EliteJag Except he was far from "infantry", mission drives the gear train. His mission set would have been lots of quick in and out raids with lots of support. He isn't speaking for all combat troops, just what he carried in the unit he does't name.
6:30 - "27 bullets came through, no one got hurt. Guys were scratching their arse... I take that back, the guy next to me got shot in the head". WTF is this?? 😂😂
