Anime Has a Villainess Problem 

This hurt to read, well done

Please, no more politics that promote perversion.

@@seijin4426?? What? XD

​@@seijin4426 i agree, we shall free this world of the owo-talk that burdens our eyes and tarnishes our souls /j

@@seijin4426 That's the joke.

the delusions of people are immensely increasing

Sure, but their outlook on doing so is what makes them non-binary or agender. There are plenty of people who can shapeshift in Naruto but are cis despite this. Ultimately, these are characters, they have no internality so we can never truly know what their gender is, only what it reads as. Orichimaru doesn't read to me as "Orochimaru the man in a woman's body sometimes", they read to me as "Orochimaru the snake piñata in whatever body is convenient at the time". The fact that someone who views Orochimaru as a parent (I don't know the context, I haven't seen Boruto) doesn't know what binary gender to view them as is pretty telling. So is Orochimaru's answer of "eh, who cares, gender doesn't matter" when asked (which has me leaning towards agender over non-binary).

@@justacuteonigiri???

When IT comes to Parasites Like trills or goa ulds or shapeshifters IT is so different from human conception the Terms make No Sense ,for These creatures bodies are Like clothes so WE really cannot pinpoint a Made Up human Attraction Label when they dont even have a conception of human Attraction

Oh, so that’s not valid? Just say you hate orochi-gender people and leave. 😒🐍

While Makima from Chainsaw man does share attributes with your typical femme fatale, it does work really well in her favour- With the sheer authority she commands.

There's one in I'm The Villainess So I'm Taming The Final Boss. No its nit the protagonist. Also in the manga Observation Log of My Fiancee Who Calls Herself The Villainess... Though due to the nature of that story's OP protagonist she isn't a huge threat. That Time I Reincarnated As A Slime has one though all shes done so far is almost kill the OP protagonist and them basically nothing else... And given the nature of the show she'll almost definitely become a hero eventually. Log Horizon is interesting because it looks like its going to have a femme fatale villain but then mostly subverts it and a very different villainess takes her place.

Oh yeah... Also Mobile Suit Gundam The Witch From Mercury

What about azula from atla?

Ersebet Bathory from Castlevania Nocturne is the closest thing you have to that, but her lines about men make me cringe. Like, imagine taking a drink from a woman's bloodstream like a drunken hedonist and chiding a man for being unable to control his sex drive. But like. . . .She seems a bit. . . .Early? Like the heroes have a hard time with Drolta, Ersabet Bathory shouldn't have been here for 3 seasons. Now that she's here and unable to be stopped, Alucard has to show up and save the ratings.

souleater is MAD underrated. Heavy on medusa

THANK YOU I WAS JUST BOUTA SAY THIS

@@joxiejoxie6457 The problem is that you have to read the manga in order to get the end of Medusa's arc.

@@orangeslash1667 unfortunately, that is true

I'm currently reading the perfect edition of Soul Eater and I wasn't convinced when I read the first volume, but ever since Medusa appeared I've been hooked.

This.

I liked how he was “around” in manga, it’s nice to have someone to do minuscule tasks of catching / shielding you. Also loved his lament about mentioned uselessness

He was never truly useless, though. The 90’s anime destroyed his character, but even then he did distract the villains long enough for Sailor Moon to do her final attack. In the (canon) manga (and Sailor Moon Crystal) it’s shown that he repeatedly gives Usagi power through his Golden Crystal, which is both his Sailor Crystal and Star Seed, just like the Silver Crystal is Usagi’s. He has his own powers, his own soldiers, his own kingdom that’s watched over by his priest (Helios) and maenads, and is just as important as the Sailor Guardians by the end of the series, which is part of why Galaxia killed him first. I’m sorry if I sounded mean or anything! It wasn’t my intention! I just gotta defend my boy. 😂 He’s such a humble sweetheart in the manga!

@@murakamiyoko681 He is then, at the very least, less of a physical participant in the action and plays more of a supportive role, which, especially for that time, was very different for gender dynamics compared to what this video is trying to claim.

He literally jumps in to save Sailor moon from an attack she could've fought back against, makes a speech, let's Sailor moon defeat the monster, and dips.

Most of These people are new Kids that overfocus on shonen than cry about Lack of strong women in anime that specifically Focus on men

I was also suprised that she didn't mention Galaxia, she is the final villain in Sailor Moon after all (if you ignore the timeline and just count by volumes/episodes )

@@laisphinto6372yeah basically

Idk, having only read the manga, the real villains are the father-daughter duo

Mistress Nine literally stole the body of a little girl and lived inside her like a parasite for years, not caring if it would eventually kill her. In fact, she was probably counting on it.

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well, he is a good "villain" in the sense that he does despicable things, he just isnt written very well in terms of his origin.

@@rockargen9591 🙄

He may not be well written or hve a particulary interesting backstory but he is a good villian IMO in that he is a constant threat or in the "shadows" from episode 7 He is evil, desipicable and the root cause behind most bad things ithat happend to the MC and main cast HE does his job well enough

I was honestly so surprised by people who said "yup I knew she was the villain all along". Like how?? Because for me, I actually thought she was a good person, she was always there for Denji and was so kind to him. But when things started to get worse and worse, I *still* didn't realise fully... but when it hit me, the same way it hit Denji, I cried so much. But at the same time I was so moved by the writing. The writing in CSM is unbelievable and unparalleled. My favourite character is Asa

@@syedarizvi7290 In my case it was pretty obvious because she comes off as manipulative and emotionless. Maybe not that she is the villain but it was evident that she was evil or hiding a lot of things. Once you get in your head that someone is manipulative every kind action gets re-contextualized even if you're wrong. In this case I wasn't.

Nope, she Sucks too

Makima makes my blood boil and that shows how good fujimoto wrote her

@@drakesacrum8445 you've got a good eye

I feel like the critique on the Sailor Moon villains sort of leads into shaming Usagi and feels like it's portraying softness and innocence as a bad thing. Sailor Moon made waves because it showed femininity as strong and a force to be reckoned with back when that wasn't common at all so it makes me so sad to see people accuse it of feeding into gender roles. Not saying it doesn't at all(such as that fatphobia episode and all the girls being stick-thin), but yk.

@@hehashivemind6111 Agreed 100% It's one thing to say "women are encouraged to be passive and delicate and virginal and punished harshly for venturing outside of that tiny box". But this just feels like it's saying "women being cute innocent and girlish is a bad thing that makes you weak, only by being dark and seductive can you truly free yourself from the shackles of the patriarchy." and worse yet, accusing THE iconic Sailor Moon as reinforcing the former. Ridiculous.

She's citing an essay from 2014 that overly relies on boilerplate feminist Freudian analyis from the mid to late 20th century. Its horrendously out of date but that's what happens when you want to cite peer reviewed material in a niche area of literary/cultural studies. To be honest its better to not bother if that's the level of stuff you get. The full essay is passable when it isn't lazily applying out of the box critical lenses but quoting that specific section ruins what little nuance the original paper had. @@hehashivemind6111

​@@imthebossmermaid3648No, she is just saying how Usagi's supposedly pasiveness us shown as a good thing in the series, while the villainess' lack of it is portrayed in a negative way and later punished.

@@judgement7164 Except Usagi is not passive. That's my point.

All right. You've convinced me.

@@josephdavis9234 hope you enjoy reading it. The start might look problematic or generic but it's mainly setting things up for the twists in the middle and ending

Ain't reading all that.

@@wmaiz0anococo345 cool

>problematic >sexist Well, too bad that japan people don't care about your shizo feminist (Male hating) ideology.

lol so fr they like at max will gasp blood thats it

I really love PreCure for going against the grain like that. *Those little gals can throw hands!!!* Also Punie Tanaka from Dai Mahou Touge to a much more terrifying degree! .... She's also the only magical girl I know of _toting a blicky_ specifically a Tokarev TT-33, what the hell even. So much for the monologue and lengthy called attack animation! 😂

Appreciate gege in jjk lol he does not hold back

A good example of this is in CyberPunk:EdgeRunners, all the females die off screen or in a cloud. Meanwhile males have their heads vaporized, gut shot, arms knocked off, cut in half... I think manga like Berserk is considered so edgy, because it went there. All the "hot takes" are always about the murdering and violation of female characters. The fact that Guts is also victim and is depicted hardly gets brought up (not that I want it too), but Berserk went places people "aren't allowed to", yet experienced by humanity all the time. She brings up "mysogyny" and in a way she may be right, but not for the reasons she seems to think.

Videl from dragonball z got the shit kicked out of her man… so did uraraka. And mitsuri got dismembered…. And if we include claymore and attack on titan and jujutsu kaisen…. I mean i get what you’re saying but come on… youre ignoring a shitton of females who fought and died brutally like the males. But i guess in magical girl franchises they dont “die brutally” except they kinda do.

They are still great especially the ones with the perfect laughed ohohohoho

Also women tend to write female villains but rarely write anime/manga that focuses on physical conflict.

@@uanime1 Ironically women write some of the best battle manga it seems if Full Metal and D Gray Man are anything to go by or Demon Slayers financial success

It's not women, like they may be 2 or 3 but at the end of the day it's mostly men who write those​, so some of the best female vilain were alors written by men@@CursedShinobiClown

​@@daeith1233Yeah, sorry to burst your bubble but most men cant write female charas even if their life depended on it.

justice for jonathan, report dio's plagiarized build!

Dio wears them better

Jonathan > Dio

@@oimate6357Jonathan became sexy in the pursuit of self discipline and betterment so he could protect the people he loved, particularly from Dio. Dio took that sexiness and used it to seduce women and a priest, and to wear a tank top which did nothing to hide it.

You invalidates your point the second you mentioned sexism

@@Fear-Stirring-Avatar Care to elaborate?

@@Fear-Stirring-Avatar You can't reply can you?

@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 nah just don't feel like it

@@Fear-Stirring-Avatar Yap, you have no argument.

No hate but she did alors better than having a crush on Tatsumi, in the anime she was litteraly so dangerous but maybe you need the manga to realize, I personnality remember a lot more from Esdeath than her crush

@@daeith1233 that was my point anyway she didn’t need him.

Esdeath wanted to find love and was very specific about it wanting to be the dominant partner it didn't hinder her character at all only added another dimension to it other than being a sadist who believes in "Dawrism" taught by her dad and caring for her allies in her own way

speaking of guy in girl body . orochimaru is exactly that.@@will_of_europa

I think the author realized it too, which is why her attraction to Tatsumi only stays relevant for a couple chapters or so, before being luckily put aside.

Well, that's not entirely true. Beryl fights to steal energy, with the ultimate goal to steal the silver crystal, according to the anime. In the manga, she is corrupted by the TRUE villain, Queen Metallia, who wormed her way into Beryl's psyche through Beryl's jealousy as she was in love with prince Endymion, who was in love with Serenity. Queen Metallia wants the energy and the crystal for her kingdom, Beryl just wants to get revenge and also brainwash Endymion into loving her. tbh, I find the evaluation in the video to be a bit.... disingenuous. Beryl was bad and faced the consequences she did for her actions, she EARNED her punishment. The imagery of "sexiness" is to make her look older, as a common trope in any show for young anyone is "kids vs Adults". The bad guy is to look older, the good guys look younger. It's to appeal to younger people's rebellion to authority. The more adult clothes, the make-up, the sharper eyes, it's to make her look more grown, not necessarily sexier. Beryl didn't face consequences for being ambitious, authoritative, or hell even jealous. She faced consequences because she did terrible things.

@@heavennunya809 I agree, anime in general has a lot of problems, real problems but people sometimes overlook the genuine reason for a bad person getting punished (because they did terrible things....duhh) and just focus on their other personalities and aspects of their character traits to produce a correlation between said character's punishment and sexism, racism and so on. It really undermines even genuinely good arguments and makes the person talking about them feel disingenuinous and a bit of a agenda-panderer tbh.

Talk about surface level analysis.

@@Fear-Stirring-Avatar it's important to look at the surface too!

@@antoniolewis1016 too bad you can't look past it.

She obviously did not pay close enough attention because if she did, she would fucking understand that the conflict between Ochako and Toga is more complex if you dig deep enough.

​@@zemox2534You could write the complexity and depth here if you want.

@@zemox2534 So Himiko having a crush on Ochako is going to excuse her being a yandere, having to be naked for her Quirk to work, and the fact that she's the only prominent female villain in My Hero. Also, there are some LGBT-phobic themes at play with Himiko (the villain who stalks and sexually harasses the heteronormative heroes) being bisexual. And while Ochako does "reciprocate" those feelings in their final arc, that doesn't actually confirm that Ochako is bisexual herself.

​@@EddyA-sw5oxI'm confused. How is it LGBT phobic for a bi-chick to be a villain and do villain things. Also her yandere-ness comes from the fact that she was born with a quirk that involves drinking blood, so she expresses her love by drinking the people she likes blood but became a villain because she was treated as abnormal by society. What's wrong with that?

@@blacksmoke6292 It's problematic when she's the most prominent LGBT character in the series or the easiest to identify. And while we do have some LGBT heroes, (Thirteen being nonbinary and Tiger as trans), they're only side characters and have little involvement in the plot. Compared to Himiko who's a major villain and a teenage girl. It also doesn't help that none of the main hero teens, the one the story focuses on, are canonically LGBT. Most audiences will see the difference between how the "heteronormative" girls act towards their respective crushes and compare that to how the bisexual Himiko reacts to her crushes. If the Hero girls were confirmed as LGBT in some ways, then this wouldn't be a problem so the bisexual Himiko wouldn't be the only one. And for me personally, I'm just not fond of the fact that the only prominent girl villain in the series is a yandere. I don't enjoy that trope and it's disappointing that Himiko embodies that trope. Plus there are other ways you could have kept Himiko's love of blood and being outcasted by society without turning her into a hormonally stressed out teen who gets "flustered" whenever her crushes are present. Plus, have we seen any of the other male villains get flustered or excited when they see their crush? Why is it only the girl who gets this treatment? But again, like the top example, if there were other major girl villains with other archetypes or motives then this wouldn't be a major problem.

I would critisize that. There are many times when older men creep over young girls, who are virgins (because it's easier to manipulate them), but at the same time sexualise them and demonise older women who aren't virgins. In shounens, you can see that all these Madonnas have big boobs, thighs, butts, but they're so infantilised and then sexualised it becomes so creepy.

Everything she says is some kind of shit. When the evil, power-hungry woman from Sailor Moon loses for her evil and greed, it is bad and pandering to gender roles, although the same thing happens to the evil, power-hungry villain from JoJo, who is literally burned alive. What does gender roles have to do with it if in absolutely all stories greed and evil lose to innocence and goodness. She's just stupid

THIS - Also cuteness culture being a form of rebellion in japan plays a role into it

I think she’s a little too evil. Like yeah I hate her, but I hate her so much I don’t even like seeing her because all of her screentime is spent making me deeply uncomfortable.

she's awful, but a little cartoonish for me, like what she did was despicable but like eh I guess.

True

Nui is quite fun aswell!

No that's for Disney listed anime is mostly for men there is a bigger male audience in anime than women

yeahh it is more of a kid vs adult type of thing

All of the character interpretations in this video were extremely surface-level.

OH MY GOD YESS!!! AND THE AMAZON QUARTET WERE LITERAL CUTE KIDS Y'ALL 😭

Hee hee!

Medusa? Which one? Kid Icarus? Percy Jackson?

⁠@@HellVirus0919Percy Jacksons one is rather an obstacle rather than a villain.

@@HellVirus0919 Soul Eater Also Haman Kahn is probably my favourite female anime villain to be honest

Junko is so cool, and same with Makima. I don't like them as people, but I'm loving them as characters

@HellVirus0919 as @tiffany-chan1235 thought, I was referring to the Medusa in Soul Eater, since this is a video about female villains in anime. Soul Eater is great if you haven't watched it. Medusa is such an amazingly fun character.

Bravo.

Excellent work

Yes

Bayonetta and the angels basically lol

There are manga that has a concept similar to this, except the girly villainess is actually a seductress. Turns out that seducing people to manipulate them is not an heroic trait.

Its called Oku-sama wa Majou Shojo and it sucks. Okay the villainess doesn't get sent to the shadow realm and the real main character is the dorky male love interest and is why it sucks but it fits the description. There's also Re: Cutie Honey but the girly villainess is just one of the lower ranked henchmen. She does get obliterated though and the show doesn't completely suck even if its late Gainax proto-Trigger style is an acquired taste.

​@@chxrrmie I was gonna say that. Since Jubileus is described as having a personality of a bubbly teenage girl 😂

That doesn't make her less feminine.

I'm sorry, but Konan is very much a villain. An antagonist/villain doesn't stop being one just because their motive seems noble. It's true after the Pain arc ended, she is no longer a villain. But before that? 100% still one, and not a very well-utilized one unfortunately.

I’ve never personally watched sailor moon but I thought that reading was off too considering calling a manga written by a woman sexist sounded a bit strange!

@@plaguedoctor6623 it's absurd and insulting. Acting like her credentials give her this goddess tier opinion but not taking the media seriously enough to actually read the source material. Sailor Moon is passive, she doesn't want to fight. She's like Wonder Woman, only without enjoying the battle for peace. She's more than willing and capable of throwing down on a multiversal scale, but apparently it's sexist to have her just want to be an ordinary girl who falls in love and gets married with a simple life. Which on the end she doesn't actually get, because she becomes a global queen and it's literally canon that she never grows into liking it but does it anyway. The hypocrisy required to condemn Sailor Moon while also jumping on the "girlhood entertainment doesn't deserve the respect of doing my homework" bandwagon actually drives me up the wall. Between this, Fate the Winx Saga, and Black Widow now actually using her comic book weapons properly until a posthumous story I almost start to lose hope in save the world media. Sorry for the rant, a bit on the passionate side.

@@ETPlayground no need to apologize! I enjoyed it, and I can’t thank you enough for informing me! I love hearing people who know a whole lot more than I do agree with me!

You have watched my hero academia? Lol what a loser

What do you mean by "isn't a male that was gender-swapped"? Shouldn't good female characters, including villains, just happen to be female? The reason why a lot of female characters are written poorly is because authors overfocus on the gender, leading to sexualisation or plot-points adhering to gender roles. I get that you can have a good female character who has a conflict or plot point regarding or because of her gender (blue eye samurai is a good example). But it doesn't have to be, right?

@tiredtranslator485 There's a trend where qualities associated with masculinity are prioritised in women xcters so as to show that they're capable too (I don't find this appealing) what I seek from both genders is entirely different... femininity has its own charm and strength U seem to prefer when gender is not a factor, and sometimes I like that, but mostly I like my xcters to feel like the gender they were assigned (men feel like men and women feel like women)

@@TawnyGrynI get what you’re saying and I won’t disagree, but what do you mean by “men feeling like men” and “women feeling like women”? What makes a female character feel female? What quality’s does she have that make her female? What are considered feminine quality’s? And vice versa

@2KREDK well... men being more masculine and women being more feminine... eng is my 5th language, and this is the best elaboration I can give beyond what was already stated

@@TawnyGryn wow that totally answers my question 😭 whatever cool u know that many languages though

She is also not the antagonist of the series. She is at worst the Villain-protagonist. At best an anti-hero.

She's not a villlain... an anti hero maybe but clearly not a villain. Spoilers She literally try to stop a world war but she's too young and don't have enough power

?????

She is neither a villain (villain-protagonist) nor an anti-heroine She is morally ambiguous and a Lawful-Neutral psychopath (not Lawful-Evil, don't get me started on that)

@@Algorithm_God_Cult What abound Medusa from Soul Eater???

This man understands MHA in a way not enough do.

Yes! Thank you, her selection for this point didn't feel right to me either. This video's topic is definitely a conversation worth having but using Toga as an example didn't really work here.

Well she did prove that it was true tho

@@-bloom-9267 What about Medusa from Soul Eater???

​@@orangeslash1667 idk who that is

@@-bloom-9267 You can "prove" anything if you take standards of one culture, contrast them on another and then only present data that could back up your point. Regardless, the title of the video had little to nothing to do with female villains, but with female characterization in anime/by the japanese culture.

@@-bloom-9267 The villain in the iconic anime/ manga series Soul Eater. Who is also a female villain.

integra is a girlboss, I love her so much, rarely I see someone talking about her, but yeah, she's amazingly well done

I agree with everything except calling her a villain. She is a character in a morally bleak show who almost never opposes the protagonists, in fact she is usually on their side, and is generally more morally acceptable than the other characters of the show. Revy is closer to being a villain than Balalaika, at least to me.

And I loved her scenes, such as the one in the editing room... It's so relatable seeing her doing a mind-numbing task, yet she didn't delegate the task, which speaks of her character... The other scene was when she went to Japan and threw Rock on the car hood...

@@tesnacloud What abound Medusa from Soul Eater???

@@orangeslash1667 It has been years since I watched Soul Eater, I would need a refresher on Medusa. I know she was easily the most devious villain of the series and the awful mother of Crona, but other details escape me.

@@tesnacloud The series takes inspiration from both Harry Potter and Tim Burton films. However the tone leans more into Tim Burton with the humor. However there is one downside. One the anime stops being faithful to the manga at ep 35, because the manga wasn't finished at the time.

She's also literally insane. You can tell from how she talks about her father and his death. She has no endgame.

Dante is one of the main reasons prefer FMA 2003 to Brotherhood.

I think most people have issues writing the opposite sex in a away that is satisfactory to those of that sex. Like you said, it's simply that Shonen, focused on a male demographic, is what is more popular rn.

Actually you do get that, you have to look at different genre’s don’t just stay in Shonen or the mainstream, I’ve seen masculine women, of course feminine women, tomboyish women, female characters that are A-holes in Anime, you just gotta try outside the box and watch an Anime you might think you wouldn’t like but wind up surprising you

Japan produced way more gay and lesbian content before the West ever jumped on that Bandwagon ,you cannot seriously Look at Anime content yes this IS clearly super conserative hell the West conseratives crusaded and some still do against Anime for the longest time without success

“Japan is super conservative l”? Strange, Anime America says the U.S. is the conservative nation as we have puritan tradition that has made everyone here have double standards against male sexual fanservice. Japan, according to her, “is more marture when comes to sex than our ever conservative nation ever will”.

@@warrenbradford2597 it's true that there's more niche anime with fanservice for girls and gay people, but that's because animation is bigger in Japan and it's more free as in it's not considered a kids only thing as much. As a nation, Japanese are very conservative compared to three uk or the us.

What nonsense are you saying ? The society mean nothing to creativity. Ok, Avatar, one show, from america, give other examples (and you will notice how few they are from America) Japan have more that 10,000 anime currently, so to say that most of them are conservative and rarely have nuance characters is just plain stupid. The easy way to actually see interesting plot is to not watch mainstream anime (which is easy to do) to begin with. Not all anime are shonen/harem stuff. Many are heavy story oriented. Litteraly most things made by Kyoani to begin with. Anime that are adapted from light novels or manga that are not translated yet overseas. Out of the bat I can list you: - Natsume Yuujinchou - Hourou Musuko - Nana - Paradise kiss - Princess jellyfish - Hell girl - XXX Holic - Paranoia agent - Eureka Seven - Psycho pass - Utena Revolutionary girl - Serial experiments lain - Toradora - Angel beats - Hyouka - Psycho pass - Anohana - Kids on the slope - Tsuritama etc Complaining about the lack of nuance and well made characters while not even looking for the said interesting show is just plain lazy. Japanese studio pump out tones of anime, not just series but also hour long OVA or short films. It's easy to find if you are really looking for it (synopsis and tags exists for a reason for god's sake)

Also the same girl who almost every night fights monsters and villains. What's passive about that?

but does that make it better or does it just make Toga a [SPOILER] "bury your gays" trope?

It still doesn't excuse the fact that she's still a yandere and how her main motivation revolves around love for the protagonists. That and the unnecessary fanservice involving her Quirk.

⁠​⁠@@EddyA-sw5ox what do you mean unnecessary fanservice? It makes sense that she doesn’t wear clothes, since she mimics people using their blood (and her own body). If she has clothes on she probably can’t transform, since they would get in the way (and most likely be all goopy when she de-transforms)

​@@EddyA-sw5oxtbf the "love" motivation is actually pretty well done and integrated within both her character and how mha's world building works in general, with her wishing for the validation that love brings because it means acceptance for someone like her, who has been rejected and forced to repress her quirk ever since it manifested.

@@sakurahirawa It still feels gross since she's not the only mha girl who needs to show skin/be naked in order to get their Quirk to work for them. There are tons of creative ways Horikoshi could have written out her transformation while keeping her from exposing her body and keeping her vampirism in mind. It also sucks since he could have done it if she was a boy character. Which he did with Lemillion.

Ellen Ripley was written as a man at first, then just changed into a woman with nothing else changed. That's actually a solid approach.

Meh they are predictable mostly boring

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​@@laisphinto6372i hate to agree but you're not wrong I guess. I used to dislike femme fatales but I've grown to like them

@@laisphinto6372 Better than stereotypical fan service bs that's been peddled the past 100yrs, which is even more predictable, so really we've no where else to go beyond this split.

The fact that women , even in the most 'patriarchal' (most weren't even really 'patriarchal' let alone an andrarchy like feminists are really talking about ) societies in existence have some power and agency is roundly denied by ridiculous sophists like this video creator. I bet she got a degree (prob undergraduate) in "Gender Studies" or "Critical Theory" and thinks she has the keys to reality.

most female villains of MLP break the norms, and marvel and DC hot villains arent treated the same way, they actually fight and get hurt

It's so fucking obvious that I can't fathom how someone can't see that.

but marvel female sucks along with dc women as now they act like men unless you mean the old comic female then yea @@olaf-chan-728

@@Kitsune-kun663They don’t see it because they want everything to be a social problem

​@@2BAMaster9That's not a good enough excuse....

because these people don't pay attention or understand the media they are critiquing

@@milliondoller06 Or have a political point to make and this is just a vehicle for that point. Afterall, the author of the video's solution to the problem is to put more women into the production process.

I mean it's not wrong to want more women media to write but it doesn't really solve the core problem of people just writing characters better, which isn't easy, writing it hard, but it would be nice for more perspective. @@zanitzeuken

@@LewdNoodz Remember, we're talking about why female villians are bad. If you're going to forgo artistic, creative, introspective, or literary solutions and go straight to political ones, you're going to end up making corporate training videos. Not good anime.

@@zanitzeuken @zanitzeuken What? I don't understand your point or what corporate training has to do with anything. Do you think women are... all those things you listed.

Yesss came here to say exactly that ❤

They didn't take liberties, they were parralel productions with the anime being a weekly series and the manga being in a monthly magazine. Only four chapters of the manga were published when the anime's first episode aired and production starts way before that. The original anime is not a true adaptation as it was comissioned based off the prototype series Sailor V which was then put on hiatus as Naoko was told to re-tool it into a team series. This video is citing a confusingly written essay from 2014 by Dr Kathryn Hemmann not the speaker's own opinion. Its okay as a standard freudian-feminist reading of season 1's narrative but makes no sense by the time Neo-Queen Serenity is introduced and falls flat if you look at the broader sexuality of the manga where you have to be sequential art iliterate to believe Usagi is still a virgin by the end of the second arc.

@@AC-dk4fp I understand that. There still wasn’t enough consultation with Naoko, though. She’s stated that she doesn’t like the 90’s anime adaptation, because of all of the changes made without her consent. That’s all I was trying to say, as far as my qualms with it go. Also, I personally think that sexuality takes a backseat in the manga. It’s shown twice that Usagi and Mamoru slept together, for sure, so I’m not arguing against you. I feel that Usagi’s power and the point of Sailor Moon isn’t really linked with her “innocence” anyway; but rather her pure heart and the love within it. Whether that love be platonic, romantic, or unconditional.

Intimate sexuality takes a back seat because it was published in a regular shoujo magazine but there's also an aesthetic sexuality that's pretty pervasive even in Usagi's platonic relationships (more obvious in Crystal but some of those scenes are in the manga and open to biromantic readings there). Magical girl series are coming of age stories (as are most Japanese TV and comics aimed at pre-teens and early teens), it would contradict the genre completely to make them about innocence. Some series do have innocense derived powers that have to be symbolically given up at the end but Sailor Moon is the complete opposite of that type. Sailor Moon is pretty simply a good vs evil story and trying to interpret it as anything else like 'innocense vs maturity' doesn't work. Its also very milleniarian (in more than just the name of the crystal mcguffin) so the whole 'villains represent change heroes represent the status quo' element of many super hero stories just doesn't apply. Naoko has said contradictory things and different times and is unlikely to have static opinions. There's an author's note in the original English release of the Manga where she talks about having deliberately written Sailor Mars' introduction differently between versions so unless that's just wrong then not all the anime changes were outside of her control. She also claims to have written some lyrics for the anime music but that's all before she distanced herself from the production due to work load. I also prefer the manga I'm just not an auteur theory fan so I can't criticise a work for being collaborative and not reflecting a single creative voice. @@murakamiyoko681

Yeah i think she had some bad takes as well. America DESPITE its gender equality has poorly crafted female characters. Japan DESPITE its gender inequality has way more females who are way better written

The only one i can think of is azula from avatar the last airbender (it is not a anime)

⁠@@MrEvldreamrthat’s a major oversimplification. neither countries have any real gender equality and it still shows within media, via the presence and aspects of their female characters (let alone specifically villains).

@@peppermintzi If you look at pretty much every law and policy in the United States that concerns men and women, girls and boys they all pretty much favor females over males and female desires over male desires. I agree, that's not equality. But here I bet you were going to go on a rant about how hard society is set up against women, weren't you?

@mintzyish no. Japanese women live in an actual patriarchy. I've lived in Japan, trust me the culture is extremely isolating, lonely, and sexist. (Also racist) America is LEAGUES above Japan when it comes to social inequality. So much so, it isn't even up for debate. I actually believe anime exists as escapist fantasy because Japanese people hate their lives so much.

I agree. Although I do feel like she fits some of these traits, reducing her to just these traits, even though she also has many of the "cute" traits of Uraraka, feels rather like a surface level approach. Fundamentally Himiko is a sad and traumatized little girl who was turned evil from a tragic upbringing. And I would hardly describe her as "jealous" either. She might want to be Uraraka, but it's not because she hates herself. It's because becoming the people she loves is how she shows her love.

I would say Haruko is certainly an antagonist, but then as I remember how power hungry and selfish she was maybe villain is better fit 😂

Eh, Haruko's a villain in the same way Daffy Duck is a villain - when you make everything ridiculous enough, good and evil start to lose meaning.

one issue with female villain is the one that are popular tend to be redeem at some point. So just when you start to really get into one of these ladies they are now part of the good guy team. I am looking at you nico robin. Some of the older villain that no is going to remember cause most people on here are too young such as Queen Rafflesia. or Baron Ashura who took gender bend to a whole new level. While these villainess would had been popular back in the 70's they had long been forgotten in the public mind.

@@ravenwilder4099 What abound Medusa from Soul Eater???

You think anime is bad have you ever watched female villains in western media? 99 percent plus are given excuses like you say (Some Man Made Them Do It Usually Because Of Abuse) or are misguided in some way. This is because western media is infected with the Women Are Angels or At Least Always Better Than Men moral pedestal that modern victim feminism demands even though the trope was a major one of the 19th century Victorian Era. Look at how far we've come! One the reasons I like anime and manga so much is that they are far more willing to admit the existence of female evil and of the various types that exist, but they also just have better and more in depth female characters in general.

They seem to be part of the newer crop of anime fans from the last 3 years. Quarantine really help expand the anime viewer count since then. Its more mainstream, unfortunately

@@viviangarcia5696 what kind of rock do you live under? Lmao anime has always been mainstream since 2010 it got more popular yes but again still mainstream for a decade and a half at this point

It kind of hurts your point when you have to ignore the top spots Also Deku definitely isn't idealized masculinity. Like some people constantly complain about how much he cries and I'd say a portion of those complaints are because crying doesn't fit into idealized masculinity. He's an example that although male characters are also restricted in how they're written because of gender roles, it's not as rigid as it is with female characters.

I really don't see how deku and bakugo would be idealised masculinity, especially bakugo. Also I haven't seem many male villains who overexaggerate masculinity. In fact many male villains are somewhat effemminate and sometimes gay coded. Even if they are traditionally masculine, it usually isn't the focus, or even the central part of their character, while female villains tend to focus a lot on their femininity, such as femme fatales, where their sexual appeal is the whole point, and are easily some of the most common female villains (and I've never heard of masc fatales), or sometis they have a lot of focus on their love life, such as them only being evil because they are in a toxic relationship, or redeeming themselves because they are in love with the protagonist (these tropes are more common with male antagonists, but still not as much as female ones). There is also a severe lack of female "pure evil" villains: female villains get redeemed much more often (this might be because they're usually relegated to being side villains rather than main ones).

It feels like femininity is seen as a bad thing in women no matter how we express it!

@@Cube-xm6vt the deku and bakugo thing, bakugo us ridiculously popular with female viewers, so he definitely got something. If I had to pinpoint it, strength, agression, egocentrism, brutishness, ambition, a desire for power, fame, dominating others, he is blunt, bold, rugged. as part of his personal character development journey he/we discover he also has a "softspot" for those he cares for, just in his own aggressive, brutish way. its a very common male archetype. Deku is a Shonen protagonist going through a hero's journey, it doesn't get more stereotype than that. As is standard In hero journeys in the beginning he is still lacking in most practical aspects of masculinity. he is weak, powerless, naive and easily swayed by his emotions. however, his ambition and courage are already there, and lay the groundwork for his growth. a classic story about the journey from boy to manhood and the subsequent growth into stereotypical masculinity. How does he grow? Fighting, struggle, competition. all stereotypes of masculinity. He embodies/grows into strength, courage, independence, leadership, assertiveness, competitiveness, less naive, less emotional, more self sufficient and less reliant on others. he protects and provides. "but he still cried in very emotional moments in the last season" yes, just like uraraka shows courage snd determination in that same scene. I'll take a look at the villains another day.

@@imthebossmermaid3648 indeed, and part of that is the current cultural narrative that woman ought to be just like men in behavior and personality, as if femininity isnt equally important and valid. I do notice this a lot with videos like this one, which criticize the depiction of traditional feminine archetypes as if every fictional woman ought to be super masculine, implying every IRL woman ought to be a strong willed, independent, dominant and aggressive etc. Yes, uraraka is a stereotypically feminine archetype, but why is that bad now? If it's about her shallow writing compated to the main guys, that's a valid point, but then again, this only means the author is not good at writing feminine archetypes with sufficient depth, which is common with men which lack the lived experience in that department.

I agree I don't think it's an issue of agency there a ppelbty anime organisations, it's the issue that none of these villains are ever women. Shoutout to Makima Big mom, Medusa and Dante bcs those are the only ones I know tbh.

my dear, you have to be less emotional about a japanese cartoon. you can criticize these statements without being crazy aggressive about it also, just because particular points justified by the plot, it doesn't make them less true or worthy of critic. these are fictional people living in fictional worlds

Your First Problem is that you want female representation in a Genre mainly focused on Males.

@@laisphinto6372 I don't want representation, I just want well-written female characters that aren't constantly objectified by fan-service. Like I said, there are some really great female characters in manga, like chainsaw man and jujutsu kaisen, so it's not impossible, it's just unfortunately a rarity to see

If you actually looked more deeply you will find plenty of well written female characters. Gintama has loads of female heroines, each one with their own distinct personality and complexity. Kill la kill has 2 imposing female villains and 2 complex heroines, FMA has a great number of strong women who can be vulnerable and Vinland saga S2 introduced the world to one of the most tragic female figures on anime. Your problem is you focus too much on surface level derails instead of looking more deeply into the subject you are complaining about. Anime has all these strong women you want but you are too blinded to actually go and fuckong look for them! You and the analyst uo here should do your fuckjng research before you complain again!

​@@goldenrose4864 I would recommend you Black Lagoon

I love Re Zero because of its characters and their dynamic that makes up the story of Re Zero. It has many well written character and possibly the most complex MC I've seen in any form of media. Female villains in Re Zero are unhinged, insane and Majestic, they don't follow typical stereotypes and the author is really good at his job.

Yes

What abound Medusa from Soul Eater???

It’s so annoying how Japan just cannot get it together, and how for all the media they do get about self-expression, their real-life feels so regressive.

@@emblemblade9245 Word

@@emblemblade9245 What abound Medusa from Soul Eater???

You mean university 🤓

same for games i played a ton and got pretty tired of this trope

Because the demographic is for the school that's why it got "high school drama" You people just use strawman after the strawman arguements

Yeah, I thought that was weird too once I thought about it. Like I don't think anyone but the creator saw that face as a 'porn face' nor would I call toga seductive, obsessive yes but not seductive.

Well that's good for you, but that doesn't take away from the suggestive undertones of her 'ahegao' faces. Toga gets sexualized all the time throughout the mha community, drawings, and in cosplays - and most of the time regardless of the cosplay or art, she's usually making that suggestive face. It's the most notable part of her character. As someone who had the unfortunate experience of ecchi anime - 'ahegao' is the mark of an ecchi/hntai anime. There's no way the Author was creating this scene without a suggestive intention, Especially since the author is japanese. To further prove my point, if you search up what an ahegao face is and compare it to 7:31 there is next to no difference. It is a porn face. If the Author wanted to Express a character who is crazed or bloodlusted, there are other ways. I wouldn't say it's a far stretch that the author did this deliberately. He created momo's costume, he created mineta, and he did that one scene with the girls in the spa scene naked The drawings didn't draw themselves, someone had to have drawn this deliberately.

@Helpmefindthewilltolive I just can't see it as a porn face, amd of course the community will sexualize here communities do it to all characters I just think the face used isn't a 'porn face' it looks deranged unless that turns someone on

@@Helpmefindthewilltolive All art is subjective. Any kind of opinion you form from it is a reflection of yourself. To break down your points. You say that Toga is sexualized by the community. Thats a bad take, all characters are sexualized. The internet sexualizes literally everything. Thats just a aspect of humanity that we have to live with. Assuming that the author is somehow copying some kind of sex meme that you happen to know of while most other people dont and then assuming that it must be because they are japanese is a reflection of your own experiences with ecchi and also creepy in how you autmatically assume something of someone due to their nationality. As for me and most people, when I see mineta I see a very immature child thats doing things he doesnt understand. A joke at boys going through puberty, Momos costume shows alot of skin, but so does Kirishima. As both need to show skin for their powers. You could the say the same for wetern characters like batman and spider man who wear skintight costumes and have constant shots of their legs spread open as they soar through the air. If you sexualize these things, thats all you. You chose to sexualize them. The bath scenes didnt have the characters doing anything sexual or implicating anything sexual. Japan is a nation where people take baths. Whether or not you think it is sexual is something you should reflect about yourself.

@@GlaDos321 *"All art is subjective. Any kind of opinion you form from it is a reflection of yourself. To break down your points. You say that Toga is sexualized by the community. Thats a bad take, all characters are sexualized. The internet sexualizes literally everything. Thats just a aspect of humanity that we have to live with."* yes, its true every character is sexualized - but you fail to realize the majority of people who cosplay it/draw it, draw it with the same notable suggestive facial expression she wears. because it's a crucial part of her character, for all the wrong reasons. *"Assuming that the author is somehow copying some kind of sex meme that you happen to know of while most other people dont and then assuming that it must be because they are japanese is a reflection of your own experiences with ecchi and also creepy in how you autmatically assume something of someone due to their nationality."* ahegao culture is EXTREMELY popular, the reason toga even has this face is because of how popular the genre is. there is absolutely 0 way the creator has 0 idea what ahegao is when it's one of the most popular anime tropes of all time. anyone who has barely any contact in the anime community knows what an ahegao face is, i highly doubt a very popular and established manga creator who is also japanese has 0 idea what it is. and I say "japanese" because ahegao is a japanese term and japan is where it's originated from, I say this as a mangaka myself. *"As for me and most people, when I see mineta I see a very immature child thats doing things he doesnt understand."* mineta is not a real person, he is a perverted character created deliberately by a manga creator to create fan-service and creep on the female characters, comedic relief. him lying to the girls to wear cheerleader outfits, trying to peep into the girls room, trying to see the girls in bathing suits, trying to peep into the spa house, is not "immature child" things. its creepy - even creepier when you realize this was written by an adult male *"Momos costume shows alot of skin, but so does Kirishima. As both need to show skin for their powers. "* momo, again, is a fictional character created by an adult man. her entire costume and power was entirely planned, thought out, ask yourself why out of every character design and power, that the adult author decided such a strange one that requires you to show soo much skin? and then the comedic relief? the fanservice we get in the USJ arc attack, the boob shots when her and todoroki fought vs aizawa, and the upskirts we get of her?] she can use her quirk anywhere on her body, why not on just her back or her stomach? or better yet, WHY NOT A ZIPPER IN THE FRONT? why does it have to be this way? there are endless options. "they need it for their quirk" is bullshit. and about kirishima, yes, he is shirtless - but him being shirtless isn't fanservice itself, its about wither or not it's suggestive. kirishima has been shirtless, but not in a way that was sexualized or to sensationalize it. now, after my explanation: which is more probable, the author creating this character and making her a skimpy outfit for the sake of her quirk, or the author creating her character with the intent for fanservice/comedic relief? i think we know which one it is. *"You could the say the same for wetern characters like batman and spider man who wear skintight costumes and have constant shots of their legs spread open as they soar through the air. If you sexualize these things, thats all you. You chose to sexualize them."* this is incredibly absurd, I'm not that familiar with western comics because im not from the west - but it depends on context and the intent. if batman and supermen are on screen and are presented with an animation scene from just the back area, with no zooming in on the butt. there is no sexual subtext but if batman gets his shirt and pants ripped off and he's butt naked flashing the camera at a suggestive angle, yes, that is sexual and fanservice - which is fine because they are adults. it all depends on how it's presented. *" The bath scenes didnt have the characters doing anything sexual or implicating anything sexual. Japan is a nation where people take baths. Whether or not you think it is sexual is something you should reflect about yourself.""* in the bath scene, kota - a 6 year old boy, stops mineta from peaking over the girls spa house. in doing so, the girls thank him when he turns around, it shows a scene of mina, who is naked with her boobs blocked from the camera with only her own hand holding a thumbs up. along with various other naked women. kota, with a blushed face, falls down the boys side with a red face. the scene even plays a suggestive song and voice effect in the back. you cannot tell me with a clear face that it has no sexual subtext when an audible, suggestive "wow" sound effect plays while the camera pans to the very clearly naked teenage girls. especially when the guys side doesn't get the same treatment. this just seems like alot of justification on your end by not wanting to accept the reality that MHA has fanservice, and lots of it. I suggest taking a moment to eliminate biases and try to look deeply into these "nonsexual" scenes, and then evaluate the probability that the author didn't have any perverse intent. you'll realize majority of them do, and they make no attempt at hiding it. sorry for any bad English, not my first.