For those wondering; Diana is related to Anne through Anne's sister Mary. Anne and Mary were both in a relationship with King Henry 8th. Diana and her sister both dated Charles. Anne and Diana are both seen as martyrs to the crown.
@nocturnalcove Charles is a descendant of Mary Boleyn, too. Looks like that family, who Henry VIII and his higher-up courtiers tried to wipe from history, got the ultimate last laugh. Their blood CONTINUES to sit on the English throne. (12/13/2021)
@@Coco_Loco95 how is charles a descendant to Anne? Anne’s child Elizabeth didn’t have any children. Elizabeth is apparently related to Mary Boleyn though
@@Whitneypyant yea you’re right my mistake. They’re only related to Anne through Mary. Elizabeth II & Charles are direct descendants of Mary Boleyn through Elizabeth II’s mother who is descended from one of Mary’s 4 kids. It’s the same case for Diana.
@@lc3920 Curious where you got this idea? All contemporary descriptions of her say her hair was dark. There are no contemporary paintings of her. We can only go on descriptions that others have written.
@@DenaInWyo If you read historical descriptions of her from around the time she was alive you’d see that she’s often described as having auburn hair. The same way Henry VIII had the Tudor red gold hair and Catherine of Aragon also had red hair and blue eyes even though they’re often depicted as brunettes.
@@sugarpearl9781 She is never described as having auburn hair in her lifetime, nor even before the advent of her as a popular character. She had black hair and is repeatedly described as having black, or incredibly dark hair. There are no accounts claiming she had auburn hair; in fact even when Elizabeth was born, "Ives also points out that when Elizabeth was born it was remarked how fair she was and that she’d obviously taken after her father not her mother." (Ives, p41). She had a dark complexion and dark hair, this is attested to by nearly every source that mentions either. George Wyatt wrote of her, literally within arms reach of her, and described her. These sources are primary and while many are tinged with propaganda, the salient details are clear.
1:08 Cool reference! Shortly before Queen Anne's downfall, Henry VIII started taking interest in Jane Seymour, Anne's lady-in-waiting at the time, and gave her a locket that had a picture of himself. She would occasionally take the necklace out to admire it. In one instance, Anne caught her and snatched away the necklace so hard, her fingers bled.
@@Ronkyort0dox You read again lol I didn’t say it was the exact same, but there are enough things in common. I also thought about Catherine at first, but there are parallels with Anne Boleyn.
@@Ronkyort0dox so true, Catherine has much more in common with diana than anne. The only thing anne really had in common with diana was not understanding and following royal protocol (not saying it's a bad thing). And catherine also deserves way more recognition in pop culture
+edoboleyn As long as she didn't appear holding her head or no head at all LOL. I'd be like "Queen Anne is that you" and I'd listen to her and try to help her.
I love this comparison, although it might come off as bizmare at first, once you truly look at it; it is an artistic representation of where Diana was heading, (and if you believe that Charles killed her ) you can even say where she did head to.
But Catherine of aragon died a slow and lonely death. She was exiled and wasn't allowed to see her child. C of A was suppose to have been married to Henry's older brother. And she was of royal blood. Not like diana at all.. Anne boylen was more like Diana because 1. they are actually blood relatives. 2. Because they were both commoners that were thrust into royal spotlight. 3. They were both forced to smile in the face if infidelity and mistreatment. 4. They were both killed by the royal family.
I must say, as much as I loved the stylings of the film, why Anne Boleyn, if they want to find historical characters similar to Lady Diana why not Princess Charlotte the princes of Wales (the OG people princess) or Lady Georgina Cavendish duchess of Devonshire, her actual descendant, cos there life's practically mirror Lady Dianas.
I think because the similarity is in Anne Boleyn’s mistreatment. She was discarded so that the king could marry another woman. Also Anne Boleyn is in fact related to the Spencers.
Well, I don't know if this has anything to do with this but Diana Spencer was not only a descendent of Georgiana Cavendish but also (through Georgiana) a descendent of Anne Boleyns sister Mary.
Because nobody knows who tf those people are but every British person studied Henry VIII at school so more people would have at least a vague idea of who Anne Boleyn is.
Recognized this actress, Amy Manson, right away from her role as muse/artist Lizzie Siddal in Desperate Romantics. Her haunting presence in that role is used to such great effect here!
Catherine of Aragon would have been a better comparison . She was loved by the people but her husband openly preferred another woman to her. Their marriage ended in divorce the way that Charles and Diana's did.
Actually, Catherine Howard is the best comparison. Like Diana she was practically a child being married to a terrible man and they both paid the price.
Yeah, Anne and Diana is a bit of stretch other than the familial connection. Very different personalities, by all accounts. If there are any comparisons to be drawn, it seems a closer fit to Catherine of Aragon for sure.
Interesting fact if you remember Anne boylen’s sister Mary she continued on with her life and had many children so Princess Diana was Mary Boylen’s 13 great granddaughter so queen Anne is her 13 great aunt
The Anne Boleyn dinner scene reminded me a lot of the scene in Phantom Thread where Reynolds hallucinates seeing his dead mother... Not surprised to find out that both movies are composed by Johnny Greenwood, very similar vibes.
I honestly think they picked Anne Boleyn instead of lets say her sister Mary, who Diana was actually a direct descendant from, considering Anne's line ended with Elizabeth I, or really any other queen she had more in common with because Anne is so well known, even to those who don't know much about history.
Mary Boleyn is a footnote in history that a trashy writer has made a mountain out of a molehill of. Nothing against her personally, but virtually no one who isn’t very familiar with Anne’s story would even know who Mary was.
Catherine of Aragon would of made more sense as both her and Princess Diana have the title “Princess of Wales” and both have been betrayed by their husband .
Exactly . Catherine was beloved by the people but not trusted by the family she married into , then she was tossed aside when her husband fell in love wih his mistress and suffered for years with only her daughter for company . Just like Diana , Charles , and Camilla .
I have a feeling that Lady Di (if she had been alive today) would've found some bits of this relatable. Not accurate, but sprinkles of it in her life, i can totally imagine her watching this with an unreadable but sad expression on her face.
Anne Boleyn was a lot more similar to Camilla than to Diana, she was Henry’s mistress and he eventually divorced his first wife to be with her. Catherine of Aragon or Catherine Howard would make a lot more sense, and Catherine Howard is also related to the Spencer family. Even Mary Bolyen would be more like Diana, she was Henry’s mistress too and could’ve been in her sister Anne‘s position but she ended up eloping and leaving court, which is what Diana wanted to do when her sister famously told her “it’s too late to go back now darling, your face is on the tea towel.” Or they could choose another relative of Diana‘s, duchess Georgiana Spencer, who had a very similar life to her.
Anne Boleyn wasn’t King Henry’s mistress she always refused to have sex with him until he was divorced from Catherine of Aragon as a way to protect her honour as a high class woman
I think Anne Boleyn and Diana is more of a spiritual connection because they were brought up in the same situation or similar to each other. Diana was brought up to the royals and come out unprepared attacks from her husband and his mistress. Anne Boleyn was brought up like that too since Henry lost interest in Anne later as well. They both did not come from high standings and noble status but from outside of their worlds. However, they risk everything to try and be happy even in the wrong ways. I would say they endure the greatest strength because they knew how to find the right words and speak what is inside their hearts.
He's been dissing the illuminati and specially the royal family, he got the balls to show how ruthless the queen was and when Charles says you have to "make your body do things that you hate" is not only for a meaning for just manipulation and just play along with the rest but also to the disturbing sh*t they have to do, pedophillia, satanic sacraficies, cannibalism. They never say it outright but look at the last scene with Charles even when there's no dialogue the exchange with their looks was meant to convey that the royals gave him the look of, she needs to be dealt with ASAP
How? The similarity begins and ends with their husband's being in love with another woman. And even that's a stretch because Henry was King and annulled his marriage to Catherine against her wishes whereas Diana and Charles mutually agreed to a divorce.
Diana lucked out in the paranormal scenes. Usually Anne Boleyn's ghost appears headless, carrying her own severed head while her severed head screams in despair. That's how the tower of London staff usually describe her ghost
@@melpomenelamelodiosa Sorry. I didn't mean to upset you. I was just saying it is what it is. They work at the tower of London every week. She was executed there. If ghost are real then the people that work at the tower of London would have seen Anne's ghost more than most people
Both Anne and Diana married into the royal family. Princess Charlotte was already in the Royal family and Georgiana wasn't part of the Royal family. I think they're just trying to show how they both struggled being married in the Royal family with unfaithful husbands. Both women were ahead of their time at the time. They both didn't want to put up with their unfaithful husbands even if it seemed like they could do whatever they wanted and get away with it. The both loved their husbands in the beginning but found out the truth after they were married.
Hate to break it to you but despite how adored Anne Boleyn is today she was the 16th century Camilla. Diana would definitely resonate more with Catherine of Aragon than Anne.
I would’ve rewritten these scenes using a different angle-with Diana being frustrated and angered at her distant relative Anne Boleyn for possibly cursing her with bad karma, since Diana was finding herself in a similar situation to Catherine of Aragon, who had to endure seeing her husband wanting to replace her with a mistress.
Can I ask what is the connection between them in this film?? Has the real Di every spoke of Anne?? Or is it because both were married & betrayed by there husbands?? If so I'd say Catherine of aragon would've been used.... I really don't get why Anne is even thought of in this
I assume it's more the premature death at a young age which connects the two in a dramatic sense. Catherine of Aragon didn't have such a dramatic end to her life.
So wait..the Spencer's are related to Mary Boyelyn (spelling is wrong I know), Queen Elizabeth that sits on the thrown now is related to Ann Boyelyn, and so that makes Charles and Diana related through the bloodlines?
The part where she is screaming tell them I am not well, confused tf out of me...was the injury she gave herself right before this scene in her head too?? Because she doesn't have any injury on her in the scene after
Great scene, but why oh why can’t the costumiers get the French hood right?? This one has big fake pearls and a wonky, irregular edge, very amateurish. There are excellent historical costume channels on RU-vid, where expert milliners explain precisely how this important article of apparel was constructed. If only the film-makers would consult historical costume experts, they could easily get look to be convincing and the horror consequently more powerful.
The purple dress at the end I notice is close to the dark purple dress Diana wore when she was happy dancing with Travolta...look at a close detailed pic of each one and the bodice and skirts are similar..the pearl resembles the big pearl that Charles gave Camilla ..Diana in her head is picturing Anne as herself
@@mistressseymour I heard them all but I didn’t find this one in particular but thank you anyways!! I loved this movie so much Kristen Stewart is amazing 💕
I understand Catherine of Aragon and Diana are similar with them both being betrayed by their husbands but Anne was betrayed as well. She also was killed so Henry could marry again which (depending on what you believe) some say that was the case for Diana. And I’m pretty sure Anne and Diana were related too?
I agree! Also Anne Boleyn, despite being her smart and independent, was still used as a pawn by powerful men. Not only that Anne is not as known for being charitable, but according to historians, she was. Henry literally played with all these women, and still they're blaming Anne Boleyn. It's not like if she said no to Henry, he would've backed off. He's literally the King, and even if he married Anne against her will, no one would've questioned it. Goes to show the misogyny that still lives on to this day.
@@rainbowpiss7369 and the crown back then held lot more power than it does today. People seem to forget that. Most kings believed they were chosen by God and the populace believed it (the whole belief in the laying on of hands by the king/queen to cure them). No one could refuse the king back then. Once a woman caught the eye of the king there was no denying him as he held full power and used it as he pleased. He could destroy a family or a person.
@@rainbowpiss7369 People also forget Anne was innocent as everyone thinks she is. She was abusive to Queen Mary and often treated her badly. Especially during the time, Mary's father took her title away and was trying to force her to submit to him. He also refused to allow Mary to see her mother before she passed away.
@@rainbowpiss7369How do you expect Mary to accept that? She was taken her birthright to rule away. She went from being a happy talented child to a miserable depressed and lonely teen. Mary was actually a nice person, who was seen as the rightful future Queen of England. With her being denied to see her own mother who was loved by tons of people, made it worst for her. Henry wanted her to submit to him and to accept she nothing to him, just so he can ignore his divorce. Continue to be hoe bag sleeping around with women. All Im saying is Anne isn't all innocent as people think she is. Mary was mentally and physically abused by Anne and Henry.
@@rainbowpiss7369 Anne despised her since the beginning. In Mary's eyes, she saw her replacing her mother role as Queen. It was both Anne and Henry. I know we can't say much due to not enough information.
I've just finished binging Wolf Hall right before the release of Spencer. Anne Boleyn is depicted very differently in Wolf Hall so this kinda confuses me
Because Spencer inaccurately portrayed Anne Boelyn. She wasn't this paranoid victim. Constantly wondering what if. She was strong and level headed. Wolf Hall is a much more accurate representation of her character.
Don’t trust wolf hall. It was very dramatized, especially The Tudors (god that show is awful) I recommend watching documentaries or Anne of a Thousand Days for better understanding
What about Catherine Howard? She suffered the same fate as Ann Boleyn. I do not see any parallels between Diana and Boleyn. If you had to make comparisons, then I would say Catherine of Aragon.
Because her situation was a lot different from Diana and atleast Diana had time to grow and mature, Katherine Howard didn't get that, she was still 17 or 18, quite immature and carried out a secret love affair.
1:17 the way Anne walks with her neck looks like elongated really creeps me. Like the scene in IT movie where the woman in the painting comes to live. Spooky
OMG PEOPLE!!!! Can't you just let her rest in peace, FFS!? This never ending CONSTANT movies, shows, books, interviews.... Compare this or that person to her, this or that style to hers (and acting like Everything a royal wares is a tribute to her - instead of just thinking maybe a woman with an insanely huge wardrobe is going to have clothing that looks SLIGHTLY/BARELY similar) and her children... You people are Just CONSTANTLY hounding, pestering and poking about the trauma and story of it all. And I SWEAR if there's one more documentary or funeral clip I'm going to freakin loose it! FFS let her rest in peace for once!!! Holy cr@p, people! Find something else to obsess over, this is going beyond ridiculous!
Not a ghost, more like Diana imagining it through her mental state. This movie definitely goes for a more psychological horror vibe at times. It's just a normal 'biopic' by any means.
The comparison is a bit odd and jarring. But I guess is they're portraying Diana as paranoid...that kind of compares to Anne who was pretty notoriously paranoid near the end, knowing what a precarious situation she was in. But it still feels off.
‘Diana is Catherine of Aragon, Camilla is Anne Boleyn. that’s more than correct for the compared to Diana and Anne’ some people say. but I think hard to regard Camilla to Anne Boleyn, is an indirect insult to Diana, a descendant of the Boleyn family. How would you feel if you were told that your ancestors and people you hate are similar or the same?
There is no reason to include this in the film. Its supposed to be about diana. While i understand why.. it's not the best descision. Also, casting KS was definitely a mistake
Disagree entirely. Kristen killed it, and this was shot so well. The tension and almost horror movie atmosphere sets it apart from most bland retellings of Diana's life.
They both died tragically young and wouldn't have if they hadn't got involved in the Royal Family. To be honest I'm surprised so many people in the comments don't seem to get this.
@@philbecker4676 I can see that, but Catherine's story is very similar to Diana's. She loved her husband but he left her for another woman, the rise and fall of their marriages are quite similar
@@lizzydarcy7257 Yes but Catherine of Aragon is perceived (however unfairly) in popular culture as a frumpy menopausal hag who got ditched for Anne Boleyn, who is perceived in popular culture as a sexy, seductive and incredibly stylish temptress. Who do you think the audience would relate Diana to more, considering how dazzling Diana was? And more than anything else as I mentioned it's the fact both women died young and they wouldn't have done if they hadn't got involved with Royalty. On a cosmetic level it would also look very weird if some old lady with a Spanish accent started appearing to Diana saying "Donde este el baño?" or whatever Spanish people say.
Diana was much more similar to Catherine of Aragon. Even their personalities matched a lot. Both had the same title. They both were loved by the public a lot. Anne Boleyn was actually hated by the public and was considered the other woman or mistress of Henry VIII very similar to Camilla . Lady Jane Seymour was also an empathetic woman like Diana. Diana have no resemblance to Anne. I understand both had sisters.
@@DeepScreenAnalysis yes true . Also she was perceived as being the reason why England broke away from the Church. Like Megan is seen as the reason why Harry shifted to the U.S.
Jane Seymour was either ruthless herself or allowed herself to be used as a tool to bring down Anne, all while acting like a modest, demure and obedient woman.
This is just cringey as hell. Did they really not think this performance and story could stand on its own without conjuring Anne Boleyn as an imaginary friend goading and stalking Diana?
Uhhh...you might want to read some more about Anne. She literally fled court for a year, trying to avoid Henry's advances. Not because she was playing hard to get, but because she 1) didn't want to be his mistress & 2) didn't want to end up like her sister. Henry wasn't used to being told no. He wanted Anne, and she literally had no choice. The king ALWAYS got what he wanted. His final wife, Catherine Parr didn't want to marry him either. She was in love with someone else. But, she too, knew she didn't have a choice, and said yes, because Henry was the king and you didn't say no to the king.
@@pamelaoliver8442 i haven't read a single one of her books and I refuse too. I hate how she portrays Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn. I'm not the biggest fan of Anne. B, but I'm aware that she was a victim to Henry VIII.
Henry the eights was first going out with Anne's older sister Mary. Charles was first going out with Diana's older sister Sarah. Anne boylen was unhappy in her Marriage to Henry the 8th. Diana was unhappy in her marriage to Prince Charles. The thing Henry the 8th wanted was a Son but all anne gave him was a Daughter Elizabeth. Charles wanted to have a Daughter after William was born but Diana had Harry. Henry started haveing a affair with Lady Jane seymour. Charles started haveing with Camilla Parker Bowels. Anne was beheaded in 1536 and the age of 35or 36 Diana died in a car crash in 1997 at the age of 36 😮
Missed opportunity the directors of this movie, to use the parallel between the Then Diana, Princess of Wales, And Henry VIII 5th wife Catherine Howard. They had much more similarities.
Anne Boleyn is famous for being extremely intelligent as well as a remarkably modern woman considering the time she lived in, as well as being renowned for her fashion, charm and charisma (who does this sound like?) if not her beauty. Catherine Howard (despite her tragic end) was a relatively uneducated silly teenage girl who liked dancing. Obviously they're going to compare Diana to the more impressive woman.
@@philbecker4676 grace kelly. I don't see the similarities between Diana and Anne Boleyn it's actually quite insulting to Anne Boleyn to compare her to Diana. The only thing the had in common was a cheating husband. Catherine Howard was more than a silly teenager, and is often misrepresented in pop culture and history.
Anne Boleyn is more relatable to Camilla as they were both Royal mistresses to Kings. Catherine of Aragon would be a better choice for Diana in this film.
Wrong actress... I don't understand why they keep casting her... can u imagen what a fun movie it would be if they casted someone with talent and energie???...
Well, I'm sure the twenty and counting critics' awards she's won for this performance (3x more than Alana Haim, Jessica Chastain and Penélope Cruz combined) might answer why she was cast.
