AOE2:DE | Tatars Multiplayer Gameplay 

We are definitely on the same boat...

I know right, i can't wait to play... And i'm stuck with Windows 7 :( Time to upgrade.

i know right, DE is like my crack right now.

Yeah in Starcraft 2 until Diamond it's just who has more APM and can pull off his build order correctly. Zero decision making. Starcraft 2 actually did the same thing though and tried doing mroe of it, but because of backlash from the community they changed some of those quality of life improvements back. (For example automatic injection of zerg bases)

@@Crowbar this refusal to "move forward" is the biggest reason why the RTS genre is pretty much dead. these people in the chat saying "when are you gonna leave this nightmare and go back to the original?" are the reason for that. People get attached to their "work around the game's stupidity" routines and won't accept changes. Also they must not remember, but it's really hard to tell vanilla AOE2 units apart too when you see them for the first time. it's because of that that i couldn't convince my friends to start playing again :\

@@GraveUypo This.

Yeah, also as a watcher I also want to see who can come up with new strategies, flanking attacks, etc. Instead of seeing who can micro their lumberjacks the best.

Yeah, and agree with the comments here too. Besides, unit design wise its not like it’s only affecting them; the playing field is equal and everyone’s gonna have to get used to the new designs. It’s not like they’ll be fighting someone on the previous graphics and thus be more familiar with how units look, if that’s even an advantage. (unless that’s a feature?) On a side note, I love the new treb impact effects; actually looks like the amount of damage it does.

Definitely agree. I mean, Viper was scary even when he had to micro AND manage economy; how scarier is he gonna be now that he’ll have more time to micro? Can’t wait to see more serious plays, whoo

Totaly lol

They'll be nerfed

lol jajaja

They are weaker cumans. +25% can be quite useless on open maps

@transylvanian They are not same with mongols or huns Their language is nearly same with cumans and turks. All of these 3 are turks anyways. What you say is like teutons and franks are same, boht are central europians with cavalry and heavy armor.

loooool

Triggered me too

I hope you are being sarcastic...

People will now be frantically clicking away from enemy Kipchaks.

if they make it any easier you would be able to play with yourself on a 1v1

I know i have to put more efforts in my army micro instead of the economy !!

And updated visuals to keep the game fresh and not feel like out of date shit on it's last limp.

You can zoom closer

Are they any good, I got wasted as the tartars. Even though I was winning at first.

@@Jasonh564 Well I don't really have the experience, but ZeroEmpires did a video on how they're really strong, especially in larger numbers.

@@Hennu_TRM Making steppe lancers vs cav archers and halbs seems like a waste.

Im not sure if he will replay the old ones. I think he will only do the new campaigns.

@@HFTVChannel He said he was gonna do the old ones again at some point.

@@MassEffectReaper That's great news!

Anyone know if they changed any old civs in the campaigns?

7PlayingWithFire7 Rumors say, they changed some for historical accuracy. I hope in the last Genghis Mission Hungary instead of Teutons is Magyars etc

The competetive standard is 200 pop. 300 population games are only gonna beplayed unranked in AOE2:DE.

@@TheViperAOE Meant to say I hate 200. I do not like having to delete vils every game because I boom my eco too hard and dont put enough focus on milit mid game unless im getting rushed. I enjoy controlling large armies more than struggling with 200 pop I just think its a shame competitive is only 200

@@dslam22 no it's not. 300 is too much. 200 is the way to go. no one cares about your turtle strats

Sausages use intestines too

@@7PlayingWithFire7 sausages have everything even bones :D

Youll get used to it

@@bahadatch4716 Will we? The units are definitely less distinct from each other, natural-looking textures and armours mean a fairly "dull" colour palette

@@MikeHesk742 yeah, will we.

@@MikeHesk742 I disagree, as someone who played the game for a long time, I can still distinguish them fairly easy.

I'm in the beta and it's very easy to distinguish. When I saw gameplay I thought the same but it just was much easier when you play yourself. Also this is fully zoomed out

That bonus is so situational and requires good map luck that I don't think it makes big difference.

@@icarian553 In open maps like Arabia you always see hills and they are very important. Furthermore, 25% definitely makes a big difference

Like I said: It's situational. On some maps, it may give a benefit, on others it's useless. And it still depends on luck. It isn't something to rely on.

Hill bonus is good but still seems really situational. Plus in most situations people don't take uphill fights anyway, reinforcing that bonus seems redundant. Only situation I can see it shining is if someone thinks they can take an uphill fight due to numbers advantage, in which case +50% dmg is really powerful.

whats veto?

@@AVDONE the pick and ban civ feature

It's because of the stone used for it, so no. It's the color of that stone...

maybe some details around.. but it's too late

You can

That's not entirely the case. I 1v1d the cumans today and went m@a Archer rushed and killed like 10 vills so he TCd his woodline which made raiding way harder and bought him some time. I went knights + skirms and he went kipchek and my army was larger and his kipcheck just kept melting me. It's unreal. I know I played a better game from top to bottom and lost cause the kipcheck is so broken.

Remember the days of broken Berbers and Burmese? The trauma continues...

To produce more villagers faster.

I dont think there's a grid mode for DE yet

@@imcarolean he meant that grid can be activated directly from the game without a mod, and Viper disabled it at the start which is weird since he pays with grid mod usually on aoc

@@alejandrochataing5341 ooh ok. didnt know, mb

Diagonal gates now block units properly :)

@@samson_ sweet

Who cares

gotta enjoy how the 'tatars' are turning into the 'tatters' among the casters. a default potato civ for MbL, he must be beyond excited.

@@gerhardvanniekerk7703 Are you stupid or something? Non idiotic people care. If the pros, casters and streamers are gonna be saying it all the time it would be nice to properly do so.

Caner Topçu I think the main point was how the a’s are pronounced as in ‘tar’ (the sticky substance) and not ‘tan’. But no ‘r’ in the first syllable, so I guess ‘tar’ pronounced like a Brit followed by ‘tar’ pronounced like an American. Does that sound about right to you?

For what I heard all of them say, the option is there in the game, they aren't using for some reason (same as the grid)

@@renzoloco great, ty

Yes

Tatars are Turkic. A different nation.

Already been confirmed in an interview with one of the devs that yes, the new boys are stronger at first and "will be looked at later" Can't recall I think it was on a very recent interview with an age RU-vidr.

They and other reviewers/pro-players have access to the beta.

Ottoman Empire consisted of more than 70 ethic groups bro, not just Turkic tribes so calling them "ottomans" wouldn't be politically correct. Well calling Cumans and Tatars a civ wouldn't be politically correct as well since they were mostly nomadic people with a little agriculture.

@@SavranS007 Tatars actually settled and had a state but anyway what you say about the Ottomans you could say about many of the in game empires so I am not sure what your point is. There were many different ethnicities in the Persian, Chinese, Spanish, Portugese etc etc empires...

Online.

Un Narrador Sevillano. No. DE is like a whole new game.

@@LeftJoystick Not a whole new game, but it uses the base AOC source code and won't be compatible with HD. (And yeah, WK, HD and AoC will have way fewer players than they have now.

Yes, it's called Arena.

AFAIK, they are still there

It will

@@0megaStyle Ty for ur answer :-)

Is that how it works? I always thought that unit was meant as a stray-building punisher of sorts, was thinking that they're made to be mediocre in combat but their bonus would apply on buildings and that the enemy would be forced to either delete the buildings they can't defend, or give the opponent free gold. That's how I saw it at least...

I noticed this, that everytime they killed an unit and you heard the dying sound, the gold count upped by 20. For what concerns buildings, it is said during the video that it doesnt apply to them..it would be too op

@@vartosu11 You know, I wished the Tarkan's actually did that. There's even a point in the Hunnic campaign where you get gold from razing buildings. Would've been a nice unique thing for that UU since they're rarely used.

​@@matthewcarroll2533 Rarely used is an understatement. The unit is essentially obsoleted in game by the age and training requirements. Tarkans would probably make the most sense in the feudal age, albeit with way lower stats, on par with scout cavalry maybe, and trainable at stables, perhaps with a castle age upgrade for early castle age too. After knights join the battlefield, and since castle age has access to siege, they're no longer relevant. This coupled with the fact that they require a castle to train and have mediocre stats pretty much means they're almost useless. I say almost, because pretty much the only scenario in which they are good is to somehow train a sizeable squad of them (at least 12) and sneak them through the flank of an oponent while somehow holding their armies at bay/occupied for long enough to get the tarkans to quickly rushdown 1-2 town centers, potentially disrupt their food and villager production a bit.

Huns have cheaper cav archers and no houses as eco bonuses?

@@lamegamer4607 I don't think that no houses is that much of an eco bonus. What I ment was their bonuses were directed toward cav archers and that makes them really predictable.

@@martinrusev3502 I know what you meant for the first part, but you said "Tatars have something that can be classified as an eco bonus" which Huns also do. No houses is still an eco bonus and kind of significant