Apex Tactical "Flatty" trigger Review for the M&P 2.0

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I am a huge fan of the Apex Tactical "Flatty" trigger for the Smith and Wesson M&P 2.0 pistols, and in this video I provide a comprehensive review of this awesome upgrade. I provide comparative trigger pull weights and shooting footage. This trigger has proven to be 100% reliable for me.
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24 авг 2022

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@procky5992 Год назад

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@OLinUnix188 Год назад

I appreciate you taking the time to do the trigger pull comparison; Thank you!

@faithkillsfear Год назад

It’s a huge difference! I’m glad it helped you.

@lucaszavala2953 2 месяца назад

It's wild how manufacturers don't just dial in the triggers right off the bat. I considered adding an Apex trigger to my 2.0 but with the added $180 to the base price of $729 out the door I may' have leaned toward a 9mm 1911 instead of the S&W 2.0 if I had known what I know now.

@kevingeenen3285 Год назад

Just installed mine . Had no issues removing the rear sight in a vise with a punch . No scratches either . You just need a steady hand and make sure everything is square before hitting the punch

@mmafanatic-tz5or Год назад

I had bad experience with changing two of my M&P's trigger to an apex. I was having light primer strikes with browning ammo and Winchester ammo because of their hard primer. When I fed the same ammo through my other stock M&P 2.0 and through my Walther PDP and my Glock, they fed easily. Suffice to say that I'm no longer all train my trigger

@OBZ74 Год назад

Thank you for the amazing video! Quick question,I have replaced my M&P 2.0 trigger with the Apex and I really like it pulling 4lbs but from some reason the reset has not been changed… I have replaced the springs and the safety plunger and still have not fixed the reset issue which is still not tactile or audible, can you please let me know what am I missing.

@faithkillsfear Год назад

Look at the comment section below; I go into detail how you can change the reset

@Photomeike Год назад

What magwell is that?

@BigZsethh Год назад

Wow these builds are amazing

@faithkillsfear Год назад

Thank you!

@cczseth Год назад

@@faithkillsfear YW!

@crsquirrely73 Год назад

Who did your custom gunsmithing can you comment with the link or number/website

@jamesbroughton7870 Год назад

That’s the old stock trigger the newer stock triggers are more of a flat trigger. They’re still not that great but they’re a big improvement over that hinged curve trigger. And I have the Apex trigger in mind but I like the pull weight but the reset is anemic it’s not tactile or audible, and there’s still a lot of grit in the pre-travel

@miketaylorID1 Год назад

Grabbed up a New 4” compact. Wish it had the new S&W flat-faced shoe bc the stock trigger is just fine, I just prefer a flatty to the hinged shoe nowadays. So for consistency sake in training I’m back to researching options for flat shoes. Apex, Overwatch, Agency or flat/hinged Timney?? Thoughts?

@faithkillsfear Год назад

If all you are looking for is the shoe itself you can usually find the shoes for sale separately. And the trigger shoe shape and size is totally a personal preference thing. But if you also want a shorter break and reset AND a better shoe, then you can’t beat the Apex IMO.

@miketaylorID1 Год назад

@@faithkillsfear yep. I Put an Apex in my 1.0 way back and the improvement was incredible! Unfortunately it did not change its lack of a perceptual reset. This new compact has a slight reset - stock - would a new Apex kit improve that reset? I know the Timney has a pronounced reset, but that’s a hinged shoe. 🤷‍♂️

@faithkillsfear Год назад

@@miketaylorID1 read through the other recent comments on here. I explain how to increase the audible and tactile feel of the reset. The apex does increase this as well.

@miketaylorID1 Год назад

@@faithkillsfear good deal. Will do. Thanks 🙏🏼

@LoveLikeaHurricane 7 месяцев назад

I have a full size with the new flat trigger and a 3.6” with the old hinged trigger. I have to say I prefer the feel of the trigger pull/ reset of the hinged trigger.

@stevestory8483 Год назад

I'm curious all the trigger flow chart trigger weights are much heavier. Are your trigger pull weights lower just due to the springs being broken in more?

@faithkillsfear Год назад

Yes. I believe my round count plays a big factor. But I also believe their number estimates are a tad high. The biggest change will be with the use of the apex trigger return spring. Apex can’t really estimate the break when you stick with the factory trigger return spring as there is likely a variance between them. All of my pistols have the factory trigger return spring’s in them

@mi_cheap_guns2925 Год назад

Just my personal experience, I’ve always thought the digital Lyman gauge is low to me. I have the Lyman and a cheapo Wheeler spring trigger pull gauge. The Wheeler always seemed more realistic when it came to the pull weight and the numbers you were trying to achieve with the spring combinations. Surprisingly, the cheapo gauge is pretty consistent.

@faithkillsfear Год назад

@@mi_cheap_guns2925 thank you. That is interesting. I have the same wheeler spring style gauge. I will have to compare them.

@mi_cheap_guns2925 Год назад

@@faithkillsfear The only reason I somewhat came to that conclusion is I did some comparisons with both gauges after I bought the Lyman, I have quite a few handguns with various kits from Apex and also Powder River Precision. The one that really arose the red flag for me was an old PPQ I used to have. It has the Apex flatty in it and a reduced weight trigger return spring, that was supposed to put the pull at 2.5 lbs. The Wheeler registered around the 2.5 every time. The Lyman was saying 1.75, which really didn’t seem believable.

@Vernonu9 5 месяцев назад

I have a 2.0 and I hate the amount of travel it takes to fire the pistol. Based on your video, there is a clear difference between the stock trigger and the Apex trigger breaking points.

@heeebeeegeeebeee 11 месяцев назад

Where did you get that optics ready slide for the subcompact? Did you just mill it or is it an aftermarket slide?

@faithkillsfear 11 месяцев назад

I had the slide work done by Floyd’s Custom Shop. “FKF10” will help you not spend as much

@heeebeeegeeebeee 11 месяцев назад

@@faithkillsfear Nice, thanks for the code.

@willg6997 Год назад

Apex is king when it comes to M&P, but I might prefer the Overwatch Precision if I chose to go the aftermarket route. I'd love to shoot both back to back.

@Spidey_Ethan Год назад

If you do get them both, please do report back and share you're thoughts! Thanks!

@frankie209fs Год назад

Idk about the overwatch trigger. I installed one in my 2.0 performance center and the reset isn't audible or tactile.

@willg6997 Год назад

@@frankie209fs both of those are nice features to have when you're showing off the gun, but in actual firing, not so much. Smooth and fast is the name of the game with quick follow-up shots and rapid fire. And both are fast, I just prefer the Overwatch without a comparison, so far.

@frankie209fs Год назад

@@willg6997 wish I could say the same. The shoe on the overwatch is nice. However reset leaves me guessing if I let it out far enough to actually reset. Reminds me of the 1.0 triggers. Glad you're enjoying yours.

@miketaylorID1 Год назад

@@frankie209fs guessing at the reset even with an apex in my 1.0 is NFG IMO. Grabbed up a 2.0 compact and am pretty happy with the stock trigger except for the hinged shoe. I Would just replace the shoe if I could find a flat or nearly flat replacement like The new non-hinged stock shoe from S&W. But I don’t think they offer the shoe solo. 🤔

@StreetDogWrangler Год назад

Sweet looking gun. What's your reset like with that trigger? I just installed one and I can barely hear/feel the reset. It's there but compared to most triggers I've used, it's barely noticeable. I'm wondering if I installed mine wrong.

@faithkillsfear Год назад

The reset is very tactile and audible. I would reach to apex with a video of yours and see what they say.

@josephsantana3094 Год назад

Did you ever figure this out? I just installed one as well and I’m experiencing the same thing. The break is incredible but the reset has almost zero audible or tactile feel to it.

@faithkillsfear Год назад

@@josephsantana3094 the advice that me and several other friends agreed upon was that the trigger bar needed to be bent ever so slightly (the end closest to the rear of the frame towards the takedown lever/left side of the frame). This will apply more lateral pressure to the sear connector which will give you more sound and feel to the reset.

@josephsantana3094 Год назад

@@faithkillsfear I appreciate the reply but I'm not really following. You mentioned closest to the rear of the frame but takedown lever is definitely in front of the entire trigger assembly on the frame? And then the trigger bar runs back along the right side of the frame where it meets the sear housing in the right side rear of the frame. What do I need to do on the left side of the frame? Do I need to bend the front end of the bar that the trigger shoe is connected to or do I need to bend the end that connects to the sear housing? And which direction do I need to bend it?

@faithkillsfear Год назад

@@josephsantana3094 if the frame is facing away from you (muzzle end away from you) and the trigger bar is on the right side, remove the bar; with the trigger in your left hand and the pointed part (which goes into the sear) in your right hand, put your thumb in the middle and flex the bar towards yourself ever so slightly. The goal is for the pointed part of the trigger bar to push a little more towards the left side of the frame. Don’t over do it though. If you DM me on IG I can send you a video

@tc5691 6 месяцев назад

Has anyone replaced their trigger with m carbo trigger?

@cardonmerrill5741 Год назад

What color cerakote is the slide of the 5” m&p?

@faithkillsfear Год назад

It is Cerakoted with “elite blackout”

@musicman1eanda Год назад

How does the apex in the M&P compare to the Canik Rival trigger?

@faithkillsfear Год назад

I’ve never felt the Canik rival trigger. But I really doubt any factory striker trigger is close to an apexed M&P 2.0 trigger

@josephsantana3094 Год назад

I have tried the Canik Rival. It’s great but still doesn’t compare to an M&P Apex.

@miketaylorID1 Год назад

The canik pre-cocked striker is basically a faithful copy of Walther’s PPQ trigger. Doesn’t really get much better than that - especially as a stock trigger in a 600 pistola

@lojr2 Год назад

Have you had any issues with the groups opening up after the barrel being ported?

@faithkillsfear Год назад

No I haven’t experienced that.

@lojr2 Год назад

@@faithkillsfear were your barrels also back bored when they milled them at Floyd’s ?

@faithkillsfear Год назад

@@lojr2 I believe so, but I don’t know the exact process he uses to ensure there’s no problems.

@lojr2 Год назад

@@faithkillsfear I know at one point they just milled the ports. And sometime the decided to back bore the internal barrel up to the ports to prevent spalding from the jacket. Either way the look awesome and seem to run equally as well. Thanks again

@lucaszavala2953 2 месяца назад

So much slop in the stock triggers before the wall. Even in the new flat faced 2.0 trigger

@GunsmithBeard Год назад

First Like, First Comment... Awesomeness.

@faithkillsfear Год назад

And that’s why I love you 😘 😂 Thanks Homie!

@dbcook1967 Год назад

What kind of holster are you using?

@faithkillsfear Год назад

I use Legacy Firearms Co holsters. “Faithkillsfear10” saves you 10%.

@ahmedreyes1176 7 месяцев назад

Is that the compact 15rd or the full size 17??

@faithkillsfear 7 месяцев назад

It depends on which one you are referring to.

@SigMan66 Год назад

99.9% of the time you're shooting the gun...the magazine is in the gun. When you do a trigger test you should have an EMPTY magazine in the gun. It makes a difference on the break weight...just my two cents.

@faithkillsfear Год назад

Interesting. I will have to test that to see if the difference is noticeable