Apex Triggers Slim Frame 43 And 43X Version 2.0 

Yup things have ugly and gonna be that way in the ammo world for a while.

Glad you like it. Apex focuses more on cleaning up and shortening the break on the 43 and 43x models. They were not trying to reduce pull just make it clean .

I did love Overwatch as well a bit shorter than Apex imo

I'm glad you like it man. It really does clean up the factory feel . Always good to hear others experiences with these

Enjoy it

Thanks Danny O glad to have you aboard . Hope you have a Merry Christmas.

Sure thing, sounds like you got a nice collection going .

Thank you Sam

@@TacticalConsiderations You certainly earned it. You're welcome!

Sweet

That's a low trigger pull. Range fun edc not so much. Thanks for watching . Merry Christmas

Nice. Enjoy it.

Glad you liked

I am bringing it back lol .

Nice.

Thank you Larry I appreciate that .

They are a big player in the game for sure.

Awesome the gift of 2A. How's the hellcat

The factory stuff is just really conservative most times on take up , reset, pull weight. Totally usable for sure but some like to change it out for a little cleaner set up. Some of the 43, 43x and 48 trigger are really nasty out of the box.

Nice. Seems they are hit and miss on triggers

Yup the trigger on these is not great from the factory.

I love Overwatch as well. This apex is imo a bit better with the thicker shoe safety. How you liking the g45

@@TacticalConsiderations I love it , it's by far my favorite Glock , it's cold as hell here so I've been avoiding carrying it because I have an rmr on it and the constant in and out seems to not far well on the glass .I've been becoming more and more of a CZ fan boys these days , been carrying the P07 more often 👍

I'm loving my 45 mos one of my favs. The p10c optic ready too just fun

Much appreciated

Much appreciated.

Yeah stock has been hard to find. They have offerings for gen 3-5 and the slimline like in this video. Initially on the gen 5 stuff for full sized triggers the machines gen 3 bars due to lack of gen 5 trigger bar availability . The slimline stuff is factory trigger bards as far as I know right now.

@@TacticalConsiderations Thanks for the info👍

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Very cool! thanks for the compliment.

They definitely wear in after about 2k the gun generally cleans up a lot. Most don't shoot that much though. Its crazy how many glocks I see with like 300 rounds through them that are 6 years old.

@@TacticalConsiderations my Glock I carry everyday G19 Gen4 is just a tad over 2 years old and it looks like it is 10 years old. I have shot the crap out of it and it looks like crap but, runs like a champ. Not sure what my round count is but, it is way up there. I kept up with it until I hit 600 but, started getting depressed thinking about all the money I spent on ammo. Brass, Steel, Aluminium it has ate it all so far it has never failed.

Well done

Much appreciated

As Do I, but on the FN and some of their other offerings installs can be a bit tough for people who are new or just not comfortable. Its nice to see a company open their doors provide food, tours and installs. I appreciate you watching.

Free install??? That’s cool and I’m in. It’s worth it just from the peace of mind aspect.

Yup they do it at their open houses

Well try this while pressing the trigger instead of using the joint near the tip of your finger try bending the first joint leaving your finger tip totally flat feels weird at first but makes a difference for some.

Hopefully they get caught up

I have has the same both the 43 a d my 43x stick triggers were basic glock feel. But others have had really gritty ones. The shoe interface is why many change them out and the extreme pre travel

Thanks brother.

Gald to hear it.

Nice. different frame react differently to certain parts. It is nice when it call comes together.

anything glock is a mess due to lack of availability or the trigger bars.

I lived in a town there once for awhile, Beson

Thanks Salvatore zaso Glad to have you aboard.

@@samzaz6846 Benson?

Benson az I worked in Tucson for Gary's towing Used to carry 44 mag there ,,, I love az

As many say the man is a trigger god .

Tactical Considerations customer service is by far the best he will talk to you 1 on 1 . No dang computer.. lol .. it’s real

I've heard . And that's tough for busy guys

The factory trigger bars are the best for use. the aftermarket ones I have seen did not preform as well. Chancing the trigger shoe is pretty easy and you can use your factory bar. Glock has in large part cut off factory parts to anyone outside government entities from my understanding.

@@TacticalConsiderations okay awesome yeah I didn’t think it would matter. I prefer keeping as much oem parts in the firearm anyway! Thanks for the response 🙏

The only one I can think of is the ghost connector for it I heard it’s super smooth.

Its a solid choice

Enjoy man remember to lube the connector where the trigger bar makes contact 👍

How do you like it? Got on coming in mail for my 43x.

Still loving mine its in the light wear edc rotation

There shouldn't be any more pressure than with the factory set up . Make sure the trigger is depressed and not in the forward or fire position as I'm sure you know. The 43 and 43x are quite a but tighter than say a 19 when re assembling but should feel same as stock

Yes the trigger safety goes flush

well your finger placement will be different on each pistol smaller pistols your finger may need to land further into the tirgger than full size. If you think more about how straight the first bone in your finger should be rather than where your finger pad is

Lol right

In my 43 and 43x the apex is pretty solid about the same as overwatch. I do like the look of overwatch a bit more and I think the take up is a bit shorter on overwatch as well. Apex really designs most things to be duty triggers. Except that M&P flatty that thing is crazy

I really like the Overwatch TAC for the 43. Its a little shorter on take up than Apex

@@TacticalConsiderations Thanks boss. Just put in my order for the over watch. I’ve been wanting that one because of the crisp wall but I wanted that confirmation. Thanks.

Hmm I haven't though about that actually.

yes they do.

The 43 and 43x are known for being pretty gritty and inconsistent. Ive been running FACTR USA and Apex in my 2 43x set ups and have run the overwatch too. The Apex full kit breaks sooner and cleaner than. Factory but is ever so slightly longer on taking up than the overwatch.

I get ya there overtravel is a pain.

There are differences between the full size shoes and the slimline shoe .

Its the Apex version its a slight minus but mostly designed to reduce that gritty roll.

Watching you put the slide back on the 43x seems like you have same issue. None of my other glocks do that

Its much tighter than bigger glocks for sure.

I address that directly in the video where I say all safeties intact. Apex is one of only 2 triggers I know of that fed and some police agencies have approved for carry on duty since they are proven safe.

The Overwatch has been my fav glock trigger for a while. I really like the performance, looks and feel .. Apex did do a way better job on the new trigger shoe designs.

@@TacticalConsiderations thanks brother. I was leaning that way. Have a merry christmas man, and looking forward to more awesome content in ‘22!

Scott the Apex one is more designed to smooth out the pull not necessarily to drop a lot of weight. The ones you mention will drop weight but may introduce a mushy feeling to the break.

@@TacticalConsiderations Awesome, thanks for the quick reply!

I do think Overwatch is a bit shorter and looks better . Tough one but the added connector in the Apex makes it feel a bit cleaner.

Tactical Considerations ahh ok, right now I have the TAC trigger and the OEM minus connector with the NP3 coating from Overwatch. But not sure if it’d be nice to just do the upgrade and all. :-)

@@moejoe7677 the set up you have is legit

Yup they can be like that sometimes. Polish goes a long way.

Lol the trinity I like all of them and will likely do the same. The 43x and 48 are preferable especially with that 15 round shield arms magazine. RLTW!

Tactical Considerations Shield Arms is the exact reason I’m thinking buying the 48! I think I’m gonna’ miss the serrations in the front of the 43X...but It’s worth it! Take care my friend!

@@rickyramirez3483 You too

Both are good .. overwatch is a bit shorter take up i feel and looks are on point .

@@TacticalConsiderations what do you recommend for carrying?

I carry overwatch and factr usa

It will help a lot due to it being flat and having the shoe safety to sub flush .

Justin not being a doctor I don't know exactly what the nerve issue is doing. I can tell you after having surgery on both my hands personally one with some nerve damage it was a matter or retraining my finger with dry fire.. My thumb is where most of the damage was and it caused my grip to loosen and trigger finger to freeze I had to speed things up and really concentrate on maintaining that primary had grip.

@@TacticalConsiderations Thanks for the valuable & insightful feedback. I'll have to consider dry firing more than a catch phrase only used by professionals. I'll start there instead of mulling over all of the different trigger bar connectors and spring weight changes.

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Hey man. Apex and Overwatch reduce pretravel about 20%. Hope that helps

@@TacticalConsiderations Want to install a Striker Control Device (gadget) on my G43X but this only works on triggers that don't reduce pre-travel. Got Overwatch Precision triggers on all my Glock's but willing to switch for Apex if I'll be able to use the gadget with them. Tried a Gen 5 Glock 19 MOS with a kit that includes the Apex Trigger and Connector, the pre-travel seems almost like factory, but Apex website now claims pre-travel reduced on all triggers. Thanks again for your feedback.

@@ronaldperezmedina yeah I get ya man. There is definitely a take up change so may not work.

@topseatcovers had to remove your other comment man. RU-vid does not allow links to any 2a products.

Man Johnny glocks has the best thing going besides the Timney Alpha.. If you got the coin to toss his trigger are legit.

@@TacticalConsiderations do ya like the Zev Pro for half the price of JG?

I have both. They are both good set ups. Apex with the connector is a big cleaner. Overwatch has a bit more looks. .

@@TacticalConsiderations Thanks for these videos. I ended up going with the Overwatch Precision Tac w/ the oem minus connector. Hope you have a great Christmas and a happy new year. Now I just need to get my hands on a Shield S15 mag :D

geek sure thing should be a pretty big difference

These are super easy. Alex has detailed videos on them.

@@TacticalConsiderations just bought one..cant wait to get it installed and to the range

nice

Not sure don't have one yet.

@@TacticalConsiderationsWould their 43X fit inside the Dagger Micro? Last I checked, they said none of their triggers would work inside the Dagger Micro. Also, love your videos. Great insight in all of them and your channel is my go to for very simple and straightforward reviews.

FACTR usa

I have never used that one. I haven't had good luck with agency triggers.

Those are the tyrants

Tactical Considerations so good. Have you put them on your 43x yet?

Just got them in for testing this week

Tactical Considerations just ordered back plate and release. Can’t wait to see a few pics of the 43x with mag extensions

@@moneyUWM soon buddy soon 👍

Overwatch is a little shorter and has that defined wall.

@@TacticalConsiderations thank you so much! That’s where I was leaning. Love your channel.

Much appreciated 1👍

Hey bud. You are the second person to bring this up to me. Mine is tight but not like what you're saying. I have 2 if them that both run perfect in the 43 and 43x. I'll take a look at them and maybe use some marking compound to see where contact is being made. Have you fired it yet

Tactical Considerations Yes, I have fired it...no hangups yet but this binding slide does not give one a warm, fuzzy feeling. I love the improved trigger function and feel of the Apex trigger but it has become a royal pain in the ass to remove or install the slide whereas with the OEM trigger, the slide goes on and comes off like butter. What to do, what to do......🤷🏻‍♂️

Definitely let me know

Is it the shoe or the bar that’s hanging up?

Same issue - just did the install and ran into the same problem. Very disappointed considering the reputation Apex has. Should have done more research, but apparently this has been a known problem for a few years. The trigger shoe is to blame. If you look where the trigger bar connects to the trigger shoe, the thinner-sided wall is too thin, and not as thick as the OEM trigger. This causes just enough misalignment to result in unwanted contact. No bueno..... They say after shooting the gun enough, some of the material will wear off of the trigger bar and/or slide and the binding will stop, but that’s not what I would consider an acceptable solution.

They were not built to lower pull weight . They smooth out and and shorten the pull

What are the issues?

Tactical Considerations A lot of people say the trigger pull is gritty and the bar hangs up on the slide during reassembly. I suspect that Apex had trouble sourcing enough slimline OEM trigger bars to make the kit and were modding older bars. I installed my kit and it’s running fine, but the trigger bar I got has the right part number.

@@Mike-ul1xn I am gonna look at my numbers

@@TacticalConsiderations what’s the right numbers on it ?

Both mine are running fine with a bunch of rounds and are prior to August 2020 builds

Yes

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Yes

Yeah that's a common theme with glock triggers.

who installed it?

I did. Any suggestions?

thought it might have been a lubricant issue.. reinstalled real wet and it worked better but still not 100%.. gotta go back to oem. sigh. love the feel of shoe; scared of the reliability issues.

They are all this version now....

@@TacticalConsiderations there's some reviews out there that the slim line is nowhere as good as the regular gen5s, so I'm hesitant to buy them.

Slim line triggers are a bit grittier than the regular sized frames according to many. Mine were not terrible but definitely different from the factory than others . Break in period on the stick one definitely a must

thank you T. Payne 🤘👍

I haven't tried them. But I think hey are made by a company called checkmate and marketed by shield arms. They sound promising though

I just bought 2 of them with the upgraded mag release. LOVE THAT SETUP! Mags work perfectly!

Interesting I've had this in a few 43x pistols now without issue

@@TacticalConsiderations According to APEX, they no longer can get trigger bars from Glock so they had to source them out and I got one of the new ones. My testing showed the trigger bars are much thicker than stock glock causing excess pressure on the side of the trigger box causing failed resets. I returned mine and looking for another option.

Its aluminum. It's a nice one

@@TacticalConsiderations Thanks. May you do a side by side comparison with the Over Watch trigger and this new Apex gen 2 trigger? Like to see the difference in brake and take up.

@@JW02828 I may do that. Appreciate the idea . All comes down to time brother. The Overwatch is shorter take up for sure so you know.

@@TacticalConsiderations Thank you.

@@JW02828 👍

Really? There should be a noticeable difference in take up about 20%. It wont be lighter unless you do a connector with it. The Apex is a kit but feels much smoother and breaks quicker. But the Overwatch should give a pretty good difference from stock

Tactical Considerations take up yes. But thats about it. I guess im looking for something that feels like the full size triggers. These slim line ones are way different

@@24sevvin ok yeah the slimline stuff is a bit more gritty and heavy to most according comments. Polish up that connector and safety plunger that might give you a smoother feel

Thats the one. The slim frame kit from apex. I think its like 125 ish.

Tactical Considerations Good deal. Cost isn’t a problem. Just want the best for me and the 48. HD Trijicon sights are next.

Totally get it. Overwatch and Apex make really nice and effective set ups. Both are safe as factory with cleaner operation. The ameriglo spartans maybe something to look at as well. i just put a set on a buddies 43 and they are pretty nice for much less than trijicon. Just another option

Tactical Considerations Will do. Thank you! I will look at those ASAP. I have a Taurus 24/7 Pro DS that I’ve got to unload. Don’t laugh, lol I’ve had it for years.. But, your review on the G45 convinced me to replace it.

If it worked it worked man. I try not to be judgy as I'm not in everyone's shoes yes know

You can look into some other connectors but 2.5 on a striker like this is pretty low.

@@TacticalConsiderations The 43X will be used as a BUG GUN for Bug Gun Matches. Thanks, any recommendations for a good connector?

No its down around 4.5 now.

Well that has to do with the fact they sell 500 of these to every 1 45acp or 10mm model. Most companies dropped support for the 45/10 due to lake of sales and ROI

no mine is fine! If my wife will just let me have it back👍🇺🇸

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Sneaky lol.

Its weird right. I wasn't expecting it. But he was a really nice family guy.

@@TacticalConsiderations yeah same here👍

Some of what you say is true. I always preach training and range time. Options are options that being said glock factory triggers are atrocious. OP-ED NOTE: Everything you said is your opinion it is all an Op-ed.

@@TacticalConsiderations My pure opinion on your statements in "quotes": 1st _"I always preach training and range time."_ I love this as that is the major thing that improves tactics & actually hitting your target(s). Looking like you are an "operator" or a "pimp" & buying all kinds of "tactical" gear is not what self-defense is about (IMO). That is what posers are about. 2nd _"glock factory triggers are atrocious."_ What the... I have used Glock triggers for over 15 years and prefer them to ALL kinds of triggers on the market & the aftermarket. Remember, the Glock trigger is: - a combat trigger that works well. After market triggers are designed to make money for the "custom" manufacturer. - a striker fired trigger & takes time to smooth out (about 500 to 600 rounds) & then you got a wonderful trigger. - if you need a "good" trigger, whatever that means _then you ain't practicing_ with your firearm. Check it out: Today's gun industry people talk a lot more about triggers for some reason today as compared to even when the 1st _striker-fired Glock appeared in the *1980's.* At that time very light & smooth revolver triggers were considered to be a "good" trigger. Different "Good" Triggers - Police think a heavy trigger is a good one - Sharp Shooters & Snipers want light trigger - Cowboy Action Shooter love *hair* triggers - MILITARY demands triggers with safeties - A few people like double action triggers So what a "good" trigger is I have no idea, except I can shoot my Glock with it's stock trigger fast & accurately enough to end any life-threatening situation. Maybe that is a good trigger? 3rd True statement of fact said by you *Tactical C.* _"Options are options."_ The other saying that said by those selling the options: *_Theres a sucker born everyday._* If a person wants to load up on aftermarket junk they can of course, _their money._ I am only stating these facts: - Training with your gun. and - Practicing every chance you can get. will do everything an after market trigger, sight option, stippling job, slide lightening procedure, gold plated after market barrel, etc. will do and do it fast & easily. Stay frosty.

yeah everything has been bought up