The AN/APG-81 radar is designed to enable F-35 pilots to effectively engage air and ground targets at long range, while also providing outstanding situational awareness.
F35 is not a threat alone... But a fleet of F35s with forward radar blocking and targeting drones equals airsuperiority. Because all F35s have a shared fire control network.
The Russians are putting much more energy in developing radar and Anti-Aircraft-Artillery, and at this discipline they may be better than the Americans. The S400 is better than the Patriot because it can also take down cruisemissiles. The S500 can do anything the S400 can, but is supposed to also be able to take down ballistic missiles. This all on paper ofcourse because it has never been tested for real. The real underlying point is that developing radar and AAA is much cheaper than developing fighterjets, that also cost like 100 million dollar each. So how eager will the west be to risk their super-expensive planes against these ground to air weapons?
Agree that countering expensive aircraft with AAA is effective. But AAA cannot achieve air superiority. Paper, rock scissors. AAA can be countered as well. The fight in air and space is tantamount.
The Patriot can intercept cruise missiles and of course also ballistic missiles too (which was one of the basic requirements for the developement of this system). The only advantage of the S400 is longer max range but in modern warfare it would not be useful since in modern warfare the attacking aircrafts would launch their missiles far outside then S-400's range, and modern cruise missile fly very low at the ground under the radar horizon so they wont be detected at long range anyway, diminishing the only advantage of the S400. And the counterpart to the S-500 is the THAAD which has already been in active service way longer even before the S-500 was developed.
Ha, where is the time of gentlemen fighter pilots, Spitfire versus Me 109, let the best pilot win.... Now every computer game crazed kid could change the outcome of a new Battle of England on his own. That's no sporting game anymore....
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"Sack: It was my first flight at Edwards AFB Jan ’16. I got in the airplane and started it up. I was still on the deck and there were apparently other F-35s airborne - I believe USAF, I was not aware. I was a single ship, just supposed to go out and get familiar flying the aircraft. As the displays came alive there were track files and the SA as to what everyone else was doing in the airspace, and I was still on the ground. I mean, I hadn’t even gotten my take-off clearance yet. I didn’t even know where it was coming from. It was coming from another F-35. The jet had started all the systems for me and the SA was there. That was a very eye opening moment for me." - George “Sack” Rowell, Commanding Officer (CO) of VMX-1 (Marine Operational Test & Evaluation Squadron). Prior to the F-35, Rowell spent appx. 3000 hours over 18 years of flying the F/A-18 Hornet. Previously the CO of VMFA(AW)-533
Probably one of the coolest things I've ever learned about the F-35. Thank you. I feel like it was STUPID to use the 25mm GAU on only the A model ... creating an entire problem with accuracy, and to where the B (FFS, the MARINE VS!!?) and C version having to use a damned POD for a gun. The 20mm would've been just fiiiiine. If nothing else, the pod should've been angled down 15° as you'd never use it for A-to-A ... Also -- WHY didn't all three variants get the wings from the Navy..? Why wouldn't they both standardize them, and, give them the greatest range possible..? Most of all for the Marine // STOVL variant .... which pays the greatest penalty in range bc of it's STOVL. And WHY didn't they use a trapezoidal shaped vertical stabilizer like the F-22 ... which'd reflect RADAR upwards irrespective the aspect from which it's being painted by RADAR..?? It's not more expensive. You don't have to invent the wheel twice. So why?? As far as the value of the series...? People look at that entirely wrong. Consider the F-117 sorties to Baghdad vs an A6 or FA-18 ... The A6 had to travel as a flight PACKAGE. Requiring dedicated superiority jets, dedicated attack (the A6), EW (the F-111R or similar) ... in contrast, the F-117 required no escort. So let's say the F-117 cost 5x (much of it to do with how few were built and being 1st gen) ... but compare the cost per bomb dropped. How many assets were required for 1 mission. IF you could replicate the efficiency ... say, comparing to an FA-18 which is probably accompanied by F-15C and perhaps EA-18 (all in pairs) ... you're talking about a package (of say, 8 aircraft which might be light) that's $560-million in order to get the ordinance off 2 FA-18c or D ... vs perhaps ... 2x F-35C .... at $115-million each or $230-million ... in which the other 4 pilots can do other tasks. It's just a more holistic way of looking at 'value." Another great example... "The cost of a THAAD or BMD (ICBM missile defense) is more than the ICBM costs." Yeah ... and so does a ballistic vest that police officers wear more expensive than the 9mm rounds people could shoot at them. A better comparison ..? Might be ... say ... the ICBM versus the CITY it's protecting. Or, if it were a dirty bomb !?? The cost of every citizen losing their civil liberties on top of the value of the containment area. We just tend to look at value props in contexts that don't exactly make the best sense ... but once we hear the framing, it becomes rote. My 2c.
@@klam77 Stop with the fake news. The engine powers enough and can produce more if needed. The only time it might need a rethink is for a high powered laser. That already has been planned for and can be made to work with some modifications.
@@watcher63034 it was in the news, F-35 single engine is increasingly strained by higher and higher electric demands mostly to cool the insane electronics. The F35 was designed to handle a 15 kilowatts cooling demand , but that requirement has already doubled to an estimated 30 kilowatts. Since you're hopped up with a trolling rage, let me remind you, 15kW cooling load = ~5 single room airconditioners(window type).
@@vill5325 25kW in cooling ...85,000 Btu/hr. What's your room air conditioner? 12,000 btu...? that's 7 window acs current draw running off the engine. That too this was the FIRST SPEC. They've pushed it up in the newest block to 4 times that amount. Google before you speak.
Everybody talks crap about f35 radar but praise F22 , the F35 radar is the same radar as f22 APG 77 just upgraded to give additional ground attack capabilities.
The F22s radar uses the F35s modules, however the F22's version is nearly twice as powerful. Both can conduct electronic warfare attack. The IFDL provides a few more tricks than the systems currently in the F35. Can't let all the good stuff loose ;)
@Blob B Both F22 and F35 feature LPI communication, yes, and F35 has IR cameras of sorts, true, the passive electromagnetic collection capabilities of the F22 surpass the F35. While the F35 pilot can use DAS to "see", the F22 also has a form that's integrated into the ALR94. Fact is the computer systems are far faster at detecting and classifying threats. The EOTS is great for close-in bombing, especially as a passive sensor for finding parked targets (radar can also do this and isn't limited by the weather / clouds). DAS and EOTS both utilize the IR spectrum (heat) and have many limitations. The F22s detection system is superior to the 35s --- The F22 can pinpoint an electronic emission from over 250 miles away. It detects everything from the spark ignition system in a vehicle, to a cell phone, hand held radio, etc... covering everything from DC (the current) to IR. They left the extended IR capabilities (EOTS) off of the F22 because they didn't want it being used for the ISR roles, which is funny, because that's exactly what it had done in the middle east for the longest time before they actually dropped some bombs (f22 was designed with 2 of them, 1 at each wing root). The ANAPG77v1 out-ranges all IR capabilities outside of tracking missile launches for example (pretty much every flying fighter can see such, as can satellites). The 22's radar is more powerful than the 35s, and like the 35's can be Q'd by one of the sensors (most of which are tied to the ALR94 --- take a look at most defensive systems and you'll notice they don't use the ALR moniker). The 22s passive detection systems features more than 3 times the sensors than that of the 35. A primary mission design parameter for the F22 was hunting terrain following weapons, be it cruise missiles or something with B1's capabilities.
@@mhamma6560 What about the capabilities of the Thales RDY-2 radar (Mirage 2000-5mk2) compared to AN/APG 81? Because Greece got the Mirage and also looking to buy some f35s And i would like to see if any advantages of the apg81 over the rdy-2, if you know.
@@vad9466 Northrup is the undisputed champion of AESA radars for the time being --- Loads of experience and they have them all over the place. They've also got access to the F22 / F35 / F117 / B2 / B21 for actual radar testing so they're well ahead of the game in detection capabilities. That's not to say other radars aren't good as well, but they're nowhere near as refined.
Слово юриста: у американцев действительно прекрасные боевые маркетинговые игрушки, но только на продажу , а не для драки. Военные стратеги США не имеют понятия о том как будут драться русские во время войны. Тактика периода боевых действий будет существенно отличаться от мирно-тренировочной тактики русских. Главное - с США будут воевать исключительно нечестно, подло и коварно более 30 стран. - у Штатов нет шансов выиграть хотя бы одну будущую войну. Компания героев.
Oh, look, probably one of the few pieces of technology in the F-35 that works as advertised... Hmm, and it doesn't have Lockheed's fingerprints anywhere on it... Whether that has to do with Northrop engineers being better than Lockheed's or the corporate culture of Northrop not being one dedicated to corruption, backroom deals and slush funds like _some other aerospace companies_ I'll leave you to decide.
Жесть.. Американцы до сих пор верят что из этого выкидыша что-то получится?! Видео фуфло полное. Бой ведет только F-35 а остальные фигурируют только как мишени. Нет ответного огня. А сушку сбить так что бы она не засекла никого вообще верх эпика. Видос исключительно для американских патриотов которые до сих пор понять не могут что этот самолет способ отмывания денег..
A few years ago "Aviation Week" reported that the APG-81on the LM CATBird aircraft jammed the F-22's APG-77, even though it's a Low Probability of Intercept (LPI) radar. I think it's safe to say the APG-81 has a few other "tricks" up it's sleeve that we don't know about.
777: They began upgrading APG-77 in response to APG-81 developments, which hinged on a lot of lessons-learned from APG-77. I've seen a lot of criticisms from amateurs about the APG-81, and they are so far off the mark, it isn't even funny. Module counts were way off, power output, CPU management, ECM, ECCM, etc. A lot of people think the F-35 is "just a strike aircraft", while the F-22 is strictly air superiority. LTCOL Burke, who has flown both extensively, said the F-35 has some air dominance capabilities that the F-22 does not, and the F-22 pole-smokes anything out there currently. Biggest thing is that F-22 and F-35 pilots can pick and choose how, when, and where to prosecute a fight using tactics that were only dreamed of by fighter pilots of the last era. Imagine taking off in the F-35 with a theater-level God's-eye picture of the area, with enemy TD boxes already appearing before you even get to cruise altitude or speed, with friendlies and no-shoots equally represented in the helmet....without even emitting a single RF signal, then being able to fly corridors to highest probability of intercept in conjunction with your mates, from off-axis approach angles instead of conventional merges. On top of that, you have higher cruise speed than any 4th Generation fighter with combat load, with better fuel efficiency, longer combat radius than legacy birds with wing tanks, and impressive cornering speeds at altitude.
@@LRRPFco52 Dude the APG-81 only sees about 100km or less. Half that of the Russian variant (I'm still working on verifying this from technical schematics or images of probable power levels that are acquired). You act like the F-35 will see enemies from across the globe. They won't even see enemies in the next town. The Su-57 will travel from the edge of F-35's visibility to the F-35's position at cruising speed in just 2:20 min:sec. The Mig-31 is too high an altitude for the F-35 to even reliably scan for it given the radar's pitch angle.
Guy Smith, you're spot on with that one. However; lower frequency radars track with lower resolution, and thus cannot be used to track missiles. They can, however, cue more focused beams on the X-band when paired with other radars, which concentrate radar energy in a small area. This increases the probability of radar intercept as well as the blip to scan ratio. Lower frequency radars, however, have larger antennas, thus being slower, bigger, less numerous and are easier to defeat. That being said, the Russians equipped their PAK-FA with the N036L-1-01 L-band radar, with the specific purpose of IFF. Although, to an extent, this radar can be used to track a stealthy aircraft, albeit at a 1950s/60s level of blip-scan ratio. This is the only fighter that I know that has this capability... With respect to standoff weapons, no military planner would knowingly send their aircraft OVER a battlefield protected by anything larger than a MANPADS or AA system. SEAD strikes conducted by EA-18G Growlers would most likely take place before F-35s and F-22s go in to establish dominance, since the EA-18G is a dedicated platform that can carry the AGM-88 HARM. The F-35, (I believe even the F-22), can carry the JSOW and JSAM, however with compromise to their stealth since their bulkiness requires it to be stored externally.
All radars can see stealth but the question is at what range. The F-35 can get in far closer before a lock and blind radars for the other F-35s to get in bombing range.
There is no stealthy radars. You emit, you get detected. Besides that, why do they make advertisement for it? It's not like you could just order and buy one... But I suppose in the united states you can own AA guns, you might as well own a fighter radar. Who knows.
+FalcoGer Actually- AESA radars are stealthier because they transmit over several frequencies and the signal blends in with background noise depending on range.
Just because they say something like that doesn't mean it's actually true. They use a radar that uses random frequencies. Still if you emit at random frequency, you can't just expect it to be filtered as background, at least not at ranges that are not rediculous, it's still a million times more energy than just noise. Frankly I'm quite fed up with the F-22 and F-35 advertisement and propaganda. I'm not saying they're shitty planes, but every 'documentary' makes it sound like they're invincible superfighters and everything else is shit. Stealth doesn't mean you can't be picked up, it means you're harder to detect at longer ranges, and the aspect angle matters a great deal, it's something that needs to be planed and micromanaged, not some kind of superweapon. And besides that, Russia, China, India and a couple of other states have their own stealh aircraft programs, but they won't waste as much money on it as the US does.
Radars operate on return pings from their emission. The return is very weak in comparison what is sent out. If you couldn't detect the emission, the F-22 couldn't detect it's own contacts, as they were indistinguishable from background, even if the computer knew the frequency it just used. It may be undetectable at 150 miles, but that's about it.
You're a fucking idiot aren't you? There is a low detection mode on aesa radar.. For instance if a typhoon had its radar on in the Raptor had its radar on the raptor would see the typhoon before the typhoon detected the Raptor.. Unless the typhoon was using IRTS.. Which the typhoon can't Target with anyway and would never be able to see it from a great distance unless the background was quite cold and the Raptor was red-hot with afterburner which is very unlikely considering it can Cruise faster than the speed of sound without afterburner.. You kids don't know your facts very well.
And we went to the moon on a computer that has less processing power than a regular calculator today.. What is your point? The f-35 does not need a super computer on board to do what it does.. not to mention 10 years ago military processors were 10 years ahead of regular consumer processors.. I mean come on
While your point is understood, consumer computing technology (including the internet) has historically been produced following the advances made for military and government intelligence agencies. So it's likely that 10 years ago, technologies were put into use for the military that we still haven't seen put into their practical applications for civilian life.
+Stefan Djurovic well they'd be stupid, I do think the block c f16 is better than 99% of anything Russia has.. lol.. but the f35.. is so so so much more.. and besides.. we have over 500 f16s.. but all 500 would lose to the 146 f35s in a real air encounter.. there are no more turn and burn gun fights friends... not with the new aim missile being fired and making kills from 118kmi away.. lol.. or even better the f35 having other larger cargo type planes fire missiles by the 10-20s for it... as it super cruises away.
+b00stedrust Yeah, but all it takes is one accident where a target is misidentified and someone shoots down an airliner and then the rules of engagement are back to visual ID before firing. Even then you can use the TGP to ID targets from BVR, but nowhere near the ranges you're talking about.
David Robert The thing is, is that Russia and China aren't catching up. They both have created aircraft that resemble fifth gen aircraft but they both have fallen short. Their aircraft do not perform a fraction of the capabilities of a F22/35.
+South Paw Russia and china are awesome at coming out with cheap foils to american technology. Take all the stealth you want; russia recently deployed an inductive reactance countermeasure that makes all but the most ancient non-visual sensors in a 600 km area useless. Funny thing about inductive reactance is that the more something utilizes electronics, the more it is disabled.
tyroneemail china and russia havent built ANYTHING that can compete. neither country engineers basic tech for civilian world. it all comea from the west. if they cant make basic tech, they cant make ground breaking tech, only steal little pieces. the US monitors both coumtries and we know what they know about js. china and russia use MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP for cjrists sake. russia and china are decades behind. china only exists because of cheap labor, and even that is falling. russia makes worthless gas and vodka, nothing more.
Why is redar antenna array mounted sloped up? This way it will have redused air-to ground capability. Is it for stealth purposes? And range of 100nm is not very good. Su-35 using PESA radar has range of 200+ nm. It detects F-15 on 200 nm that is. And can jam AMRAAM missiles. I am not even sure F-35 will be able to beat Su-35, not speaking on stealth T-50 and China new planes. Not impessing actually.
+Владимир Кондрашов Its just a video about its basic functions. They arent going to reveal its full potential. Russia and China are DECADES behind. Its not even close
+Владимир Кондрашов A PESA radar can not compete with an AESA radar. A PESA is a single frequency, meaning its easy to detect and jam. Not to mention its cheap and old technology. Im not surprised your not impressed considering you know absolutely nothing.
+Brad Ryan You are wrong. I understand that for people with Iphone mentality previous generation technology is always worse then "modern". But in real life real parameters are more important than "device coolness". And PESA radar is not single frequency. Maybe US 1980s PESA radars have such flaw, but not modern PESA radars. AESA can track more targets and scans quicker, yes. It is more But if PESA radar have twice the range it might be better in real life situations when you don't need to attack 20 targets simultaniously.
AESA radar is a Low probability intercept system. It "randomly" generates frequencies which make detection difficult, and bearing near impossible unless the receiver is also AESA. Radar receivers have to collect several wavelengths and compute the data to get a target ID and bearing, AESA makes this difficult because its spread over so many frequencies that fire simultaneously.
The first will find air defense?? xDDD As soon as it will start an active radar system, it will end! Passive ground-based air defense radar systems are much more sensitive! as active ... The American Dream in Pictures ... "Stealth" technology works as long as the fighter is flying blind
Russian are still bitter they still have no operational AESA for their jet fighters, let alone a working stealth plane so they try to advocate easily jammable PESA with just 1 transmitter for all T/R units.
People REALLY thnk that one time an F-117 got shot down is the norm huh? Because it was just an act of complacancy on NATO's part coupled with a real one in a million esque chance, where the radar hit the Nighthawk RIGHT as it's bomb bay was open. WHich it is for not even a second, and the Nighthawk's target was still destroyed. Also the pilot and the radar operator ended up become friends iirc, which is neat.
The APG-81 is supposed to be heavily based on the APG-77, so it's safe to assume they have comprable range (Probably around 240 km for 1m^2 RCS, as reported by Jane's. 260 nmi is ridiculous. That's a longer range than AN/SPY-3, the radar on the Zumwalt class destroyer.
put this radar package into something that has real capability. The f35 is designed to do too much with too little... i would love to see this in the YF-23, X23 > f22
Your military is the best in the world with plenty of Allies, something Russia and China don't have. And lets try to keep it that way and with more help from Allies required.
This is what is so special with f35. Integrated all that information into one function system was very difficult doesn't look like it would be but had been a headache to develop.
First learn how to detect a stealthy aircraft. Your medium range missiles are inferior and u can go ask anyone. Your assuming that you can easily detect the Raptor and fire your AA-12 Adder's. Your short range AA-11 Arrow is better for now til the AIM-9X comes into service.
AN/APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR) is a full-performance active electronically scanned array (AESA) fire control radar for the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon and other aircraft developed by Northrop Grumman. Some capabilities of the APG-83, are derived from Lockheed Martin F-22’s APG-77 and this the F-35’s APG-81. Both AESA radars, made by Northrop Grumman.
US AESA Radars: -APG-77 (F-22 Raptor) -APG-81 (F-35 Lightning II) -APG-82 (F-15E Strike Eagle and F-15SE Silent Eagle) New -APG-80 (F-16E/F Block 60 Super Viper) -APG-63 v 3 (F-15C Eagle and F-15SG) -APG-79 (F-18E/F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler) -APG-68 v 9/10 (F-16C/D Block 50/52) -APG-63 v 1 (F-15K Slam Eagle) -SABR (F-16C/D/E/F Block 50/52/60)
Throw in the upgrade for F-35 block 4 on it's radar, DAS, ESM, ECM etc, the F-35 will be so far ahead of the competitors like the F-16, Super hornet, Eurofighter, Rafale, Chinese and Russian fighters, I can only see the other aircraft with successful contracts only because the buyer is restricted to purchase F-35 or they are potential unfriendly nations thus F-35 restricted.
@@daikucoffee5316 The F-117 did not have an radar (AESA), although it could. Probably because any radio-electronic radiation unmasked it. Did the laws of physics change when it came time to cut up and steal $1 trillion from the F-35 program?
Okay, so wait. Did they say "Stealthy" radar? How the hell does something that's apparently broadcasting into its entire possible search area hundreds of times per second somehow MORE Stealthy than a single, swept beam? Also...the RADAR is responsible for ECM? On its own? And apparently they can DATA LINK ECM now?!
Stealthy radar works by making the radar emit a signal the annihilates the wave from another radar. Think about it like noise canceling headphones that emit sound to produce quiet.
It frequency hops on each transmission making TRADITIONAL RADAR seeking/hot-spotting systems discard the transmissions as random noise. Obviously years later things have moved on and there are systems that will now track these LPI RADAR types - Tranche 3 onwards Typhoon for instance keeps a 3D map of all the RADAR emissions it "sees" and stiches them together to recognise frequency hopping threats. APG-81 can also copy the RADAR emissions being fired at it (as long as they are in the wavelengths covered my APG-81) and fire back spoofed returns designed to confuse the RADAR system and if close enough it will do so at high outputs to cause "burn through" effectively temporarily blinding the RADAR altogether by flooding it with signals that are louder than the actual returns but deliberately miscoded so the tracking RADAR will discard it as interference from another RADAR without seeing its own weaker returns. Yes modern RADARs can actually tag their transmissions by means of pulsing them in a particular sequence so they can tell if returns they receive are theirs! APG-81 can code transmissions differently TR module by TR module to have multi-channel (parallel processing) capabilities. Something only possible with AESA RADARs.
Whats the point of being able to detect AND engage 20 enemies if americans only go to war if they outnumber ITS enemy 3000 vs 100 like in Irak or serbia
OK... i had to say something... @3:48... it might just be me... but isn't that just a bit harsh for blowing through a stop sign... really? ... and who actually selected or design that stop sign anyway... honestly... the english word 'stop' with a white camel icon on it... the supposed adults in the room really need to start keeping the mood/reality altering substances out of the reach of the creatives.
Last the lifetime of the airframe without needing a repair...HELLO, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE MAINTENANCE SQUADRON, they wanna have a word with you.
APG-81, APG-80, and APG-82 should change from AESA radar to advance X-band / AESA radar. X-band radar will help the APG-80 (F-16E/F), APG-81 (F-35), and APG-82 (F-15E/SE) tracking more range than ever and more targets. The F-22 Raptor already operate advance X-band / AESA APG-77 radar.
Duhhhh... you realize that many other countries are currently using AESA / PESA, and many more have it on the drawing board? For example, the PAK-FA AESA was recently revealed for India. EF2000 brought CEASAR to some countries. China has plans on the drawing board. Here is AESA / PESA offered by Russia's NIIP- watch?v=3jjdIrRm3XE Notice that the AESA pivots, giving the Su35 up to 120 degrees off boresight. F35/F22 does not. And AMRAAM/BVRAAM range is less than R77. So much for "first kill"
Dont you have to detect the F-22/F-35 first before you can launch your inferior weapon? Ye good luck with that. And the Raptor will launch its AMRAAM from high altitude which gives it much more range and energy.
I like these videos propaganda that makes the products " invencibles" ( at least in theory). Does a matter where come from ( country), always show like " this is a gold key and will resolve all the problems. In the real battle field , don't exist the gold key , early or late someone will create something to overtake and this process never end !
