Apologetics Ninja w/ Trent Horn 

As a "protestant" who feels very drawn to the Catholic church, I will say that I get the idea that everyone has a different apostalate, and that there should be people who simply focus on the apologetics for Catholicism and not into any of the controversies. That being said, as someone who is on the outside looking in and feels incredibly drawn to the truth of the Catholic faith, the magisterial teaching and tradition, the sacraments, etc, I am also appalled at the problems with the leadership right now, and its people like Matt Fradd who are willing to address those things, and still be unapologetically Catholic, actually make me *more* drawn to the faith, not less. When folks just act like there is no controversy, there are no problems, it turns me off. So thank you, Matt, for finding that great balance of saying, "Im not going to gaslight people; there are problems. But there have *always* been problems because the church is peopled with sinful people and we're still Catholic because it's the church Christ founded". Or, Im paraphrasing there but you know what I mean. :)

"Ninja" suggests stealth and subterfuge. Trent is more a Samurai: bold, noble, and dedicated to his chosen form.

“the world’s youngest boomer. “ I literally laughed out loud on that one

My conversion from 20 year atheist to believer came suddenly a few months back. It is astounding to me, because I loved debating Christian apologists, that I could be one way and now be completely different. I have the RCIA study materials and will be starting when fall classes kick in after summer break.

Didn’t beat the previous Trent Horn interview’s length Smh. Guess you just need to do another one!

Meanwhile, Dingus47839 is frantically typing away on his keyboard...

I live in AZ, and to me, it seems like the Catholic faith is growing more and more.

¡Viva Cristo Rey y la Virgen de los ángeles! God bless you brothers, you two are doing a good work keep it up🔝

Love both your channels Counsel of Trent & Pints with Aquinas. Woke up this AM - before I got out of bed - opened my iPad & who should I see - Matt AND Trent Together *****SCOOOOOORE!!!***** Thanks guys. Love you together. God bless you 🙏❤️ PS Some other folks came in late while y’all were role playing & didn’t realize it Was role playing. Their reactions were hilarious 😂 🤣😂

Next up, Dr. Taylor Marshall reunites with Tim Gordon, politely discussing their differences and hug it out at the end.

Great to see Trent appearing on your site. I liked Trent's idea to stick with apologetics. There are far too many people focussing on Church gossip, disagreement with the Pope's decisions, which is causing division and great confusion and harm to the Faithful. Remember Martin Luther thought he was going to set the Pope right in his day. Look at the result. Approximately 35000 different Protestant splinter groups was the end result and still growing in number. Will these know all Fundamentalists ever learn? John Henry Newman got it. Not unlike St. Peter, Francis will get some things right and some things wrong. But in the whole, if we stick with the status quo, what is incorrect in one generation will be eventually corrected in the following. We have that assurance from the Holy Spirit. Yet many are proclaiming they know more than the current heirarchy and have forgotten the promise and role of the Holy Spirit, just like Luther. This is why Fundamentalism became so prevalent. They had all the answers. They "knew" they were saved. They preached the pope was the "Anti-Christ". They had unwittingly become Pharisees. Those very critical Catholics, who sew division and claim, "To Know" must be looked upon with great suspicion. Remember Martin Luther and the disaster he started.

Thank you so much for this wonderful conversation. It’s given me a lot of great food for thought and encouragement in faith. God bless both of you!

I desire a video with Bishop Barron, Fr Casey, Trent Horn, and Matt Fradd.

Love Trent! bought 2 of his books and very happy he wants to keep his channel up and growing! Thanks Matt for inviting him!

This video should be studied like text by ANY Catholic that is ready to be equipped with the tools for what we were put here for, which is to spread the Word. Fantastic. Trent Horn is truly a national treasure.

1) Make a friend 2) Be a friend 3) Bring a friend to Christ

"The kids would call that crige" ahaha, said by the world's youngest boomer...

Fr. Calloway's talk at a recent FOCUS Conference entitled "The Virgin Mary: The Masterpiece of God" discussed the dogma of the Immaculate Conception and much more! :)

Excellent discussion. It's always great to hear two great evangelists share thoughts. Thanks! May God bless your ministries and your families.

The role play thing was really a trip. I was thinking someone would overhear me watching and think Matt went full atheist on us.

Trent is a heavy hitter.

Next up: Ed Feser vs. William Lane Craig.

This is good. Thnks also for Sister Miriam. I had addiction issues and other stuff in my life and Sisters story moved me. Matt you get my vote to speak for🇻🇦on Joe Rogans show. "Good on ya"

What a wonderful podcast!

Back and forth role play was brilliant.

Hello Matt and Trent. I wouldn't call myself an articulate apologist nor even a courageous evangelist but I do feel that you guys certainly restock my apologetic arsenal if I am ever backed into a corner.

Thank you for continuing to do great interviews. They are so good. I would love it if you could interview Benjamin Wiker. He is a favorite of mine.

A few weeks ago, I began to share with one of my children, about my conversion to the Catholic Church. It didn't take long when I heard, "But Dad, the priests are all gay!" I appreciate your reluctance to get involved in these things in a public way, but I'd suggest it's darn near impossible to do much in the way of evangelization with all that is going on within the Church.

I have Why We're Catholic. I bought it to help others understand what we believe. It's a great resource!

I'm sorry, I slow cooked some deer meat and vegetables I had harvested myself and threw them on a bed of rice the other night. And I literally was like "God definitely exists!". Ha.

I really enjoyed this!

“If you don’t work, you don’t eat”. I love it and I didn’t know that this concept is in the NT. When I think of yesterday’s gospel (“Martha, Martha…”), while I DO understand its spiritual meaning, I also think it’s one of the gospel passages that would have benefited a lot from just a bit more context, because the way it’s written, every time I read it it sounds like Martha is being scolded while she is the only one doing any work. While Mary is doing nothing and being served, and she is praised, Martha has to shut up, make the croissants and coffees and hurry up about it. Again, I know what the passage is about (with its nuances about the role of women and a rabbi) but most homilies I heard about it miss the mark by a mile and go lazily into the “don’t work too much” message, which is not what Jesus meant.

Really appreciate this video.

Thanks much for this video..Trent Horn is special..

The basic goal of the conversation - that you perfectly understand that person, and they perfectly understand you. So right! Then you are building a human relationship and putting generosity, kindness, patience, love in practice. Then you are demonstrating what it is to _be_ a Christian in the world.

Great interview! Thanks Matt and Trent! Great young apologist very smart and knowledgeable! Who is the picture of the nun on your bookshelf and where can I get the icon of the blessed Mother and Infant?

That track at the end really makes me bob my head! It's tight/dope/wicked I don't know what kids nowadays say!

So last year when I was dealing with the idea of coming back to Catholicism (a friend of mine converted), Trent along with Jimmy Akin and of course, Matt helped me through that process and objections I had.

Love both you guys

Thanks much for this video.

I want to become a Dominican, just to be on PWA in 12 years

1:38 "this is A grade content, for sure" immediately followed by the most out of focus shot I've ever seen 😂

So sad but true and prophesized in the Bible. I am currently 54 and my grandmother passed away when she when I was 17. This is part of my prayer everyday... "Lord show me your goodness in this earth for I have only seen exceeding evil since the death of my grandmother" then I pray psalms 123 " To you I have raised my eyes you who are in throned in the Heavens behold as the eyes of the servant looks upon the hands of his master and a female servant looks upon the hands of her mistress so my eyes are upon the Lord my God until he is gracious to me. Be gracious to me Lord be gracious to me for I have had much more than enough of contempt. My soul has had much more than enough of the scoffing of those who are at ease and with the contempt of the proud." 😢💔 Dear God in remembrance of your mercy please have compassion upon your people.

1:08:08 In regards to Judas and communion, John 13:27 seems to be an example of what St. Paul meant when he wrote that to take communion unworthily is to eat and drink judgement upon oneself. John writes that Satan entered into Judas after Christ gives him the morsel.

Hi Matt, I only recently started following your show... and I love it. I will admit I was surprised to hear, today, that you believe more in science than in God. I can understand, sort of. I guess because of the guests I've seen on your show and your conversations with them I was taken aback by the comment. Still enjoying your show and learning a lot...and for me, at least, it's helping strengthen my faith.

I'm SO JEALOUS that my parents get to see y'all this weekend, but they're getting (totally non-creepy) pictures for me ;)

1:44:50 hrs mins. Trent killing the fly - use a small handy vacuum - works best

Well, I thought I was going to get something done this evening....

Matt, you mentioned Slovakia. Greeting from our country!

Trent, that was a great measured response about the SSPX. I don't go there. I don't agree with their stance of not attending the NO if that's what you have. But I agree that basically anyone I've known personally who attends there, they just want a TLM and often that is the only one offered. I know in my diocese, it's the only option especially since the bishop took away the ONE TLM in the entire diocese which covers half the state. 😮‍💨 It's a hard spot to be in.

My “come to Jesus moment” was hugely formed by depression and mental health issues, hopefully in the future we can see a breakthrough of people who are lonely and depressed turning to Jesus and to His Church.

Love Trent!

Larry Elder for California Governor! Spread the word everywhere, especially cali residents! be an advocate, get the word out! theres not much time... the election is in less than 2 months, sept 14th! This election is all about turnout and might be the only serious shot we get to turn the state red! For freedom. Lets gooo!!!! "You can lose a fight, but you can't win a surrender." - Andrew Klavan

I'd like to see some of the guys at The Meaning of Catholic on the show or maybe some protestants like Paul Vander Klay or Sean McDowell

Thank you

So so good.

Regarding the trads and their desire to say "withdraw. " I think they are principally right in that they are focusing on removing the plank in their own eye first. And I think that a religious life that is focused pursuing Christ first in a personal way, and reflecting that love in charity (if you look at the trad and orthodox communities in America their charity is off the charts) Charity is the best evangelization IMHO. It moves the heart of someone who sees charity and the hearts of those who receive it while the giver of the charity made closer to Christ.

Hi there I am slowly looking at the Catholic faith and feeling called to convert from Protestant. Where could I find Trent’s book where he can get the profit from me purchasing it? Thank you so much from a young, questioning mind.

Regarding the feeling of not being ready for apologetics, though we all should try to learn, we should remember God's providence in our own lives. The Lord knows best what we are capable of, both by preparation and by a moment of grace. He sets opportunities for love in your path. That includes guiding people to each other who can help each other in various ways. If you can offer little, the Lord will guide you to people who need little. Or He will give you more to offer on His behalf. To paraphrase St Paul, in my weakness the Lord's strength is revealed. When a fool speaks wisdom, people can witness the divine influence.

Laura was adorable in that interview, Trent!

Disappointed to see how both yourself and Trent, who was so open to dialogue with various groups, came down so heavily on the SSPX. So here is my challenge for you. Interview with an SSPX priest such as Fr Robinson to discuss some of the accusations thrown at them, such as schism.

great show. what is your theme music? love the horn

Thought I forgot my glasses at 3:46 and I don't wear glasses.

I just bought SCG completely on a whim..... if people can pay 100+ for encyclopedias, I can buy SCG (both volumes) for

Matt Fradd, do you mind sharing the name of that place for 8 days silent retreat in a Byzantine monastery? Thank yoy!

If you chase that fly for a bit longer, tent might be able to reclaim the time record

Would you please interview Fr. Darragh Connolly from The Soul Sanctuary in Ireland? You can find him streaming daily mass on the Direction for Our Times RU-vid.

How can I reach Trent Horn? I tried to send an email through his website and it seemingly never reached him.

You said "g'day"...now I believe you're an Aussie!!!! :-) Well, I believed you but now you've proved it. :-)

QUESTION ALERT/HOPING FOR A RESPONSE: Hi sisters and brothers!! So this is random but I’m really hoping someone might have the answer. I listened to a talk Matt had with someone (idk remember who but I have a feeling it might have been w/ Trent) Matt mentions a website he collaborated with other people on about faith to help guide/inform atheists/agnostics. Does anyone know that website and/or link?

@pintswithaquinas please have Marcus Peter on your show! He was on the Journey Home and is electrifying!

Hits home when I'm part of the 12% that have no friends.

Yes CONTENT

Well crabs! Missed it

The touching of the vestments is a Latin tradition as well.

So how do we know what's happening outside of what we see on the internet?

Trent-I know I’m two years too late, but have you really addressed Chesterton and Belloc and Rerum Novarum on free markets? It puts a lot more sophistication on what you’re offering here.

"There are people in your neighborhood who don't know Jesus." love that attitude of staying away from church drama and sticking to the basics

Where could I have an extended conversation addressing certain questions and concerns I have? I have sent in questions to Catholic Answers before, and I don't blame them because of the way things are structured, but they often miss the point and have to move on. I need to like sit down with someone, and I'm not sure an average priest would be the most adequate apologist for what I'll be asking.

Hello Matt, I hope you can answer before you go on your "month-without-internet". What's the name of the nun on the shelve? Is that Saint Angela of the Cross? I usually go to mass where nuns devoted to saint Angela of the Cross (of course first devoted to God) live. She was born in Seville (Spain), just 1 hour from where I live. These nuns are amazing and are doing a great job in my hometown. (Maybe it turns out that the nun from that picture is not Saint Angela... 🤣, but well...) Thanks in advance. Sincerely in Christ.

What is the Truth, if not speaking in Love.

I don't go to TLM for silence. 80% of the congregation is younger than 16, and most of those are below 10. Glad you appreciate the Eastern Rite, though

1:06:15 "The nazis at the door example... uuh... I would just kill the Nazis" 🤣🤣🤣 one of the funniest moments on PwA

I'd like to hear Trent talk more about capitalism and the problem of usery. I'm not super opposed to capitalism but that feels like the biggest hurdle it has to get over, because the church does condemn usery specifically and that can't be ignored.

1:04:00 I think of the Biblical and hagiographic examples of saints saving people in hiding

"Because it's true" can't be a reason to make something a dogma. Matthew 11 speaks of the easy yoke and light burden, but demanding belief after belief on matters that aren't material to the gospel weigh that yoke down.

Trent just sold another copy of Why We’re Catholic

So the Church hasn't actually defined how bad exactly a lie is... That explains why it feels like there are as many opinions on this question among priests as there are priests (exaggerating of course).

As soon as the priest walk by... I've been to Greece a view times and I've been to Eastern orthodox churches there (partially because it's hard to find a catholic church). So anyway, I noticed that the priests there tend to have these piercing looks in their eyes - almost as if they were looking straight into your soul... A bit creepy actually

Two saints in the making - just sayin! May Our Blessed Mother conform us to her Savior and Son, our Lord and our God!

15:06 Jordan Peterson was the first step to me warming up to Christianity. Took a few more years to actually find evidence to believe it literally and not as "metaphorical wisdom" or something like that that considered it, but it was the first step. I think he should get more credit for that. I'm sure a lot more people than just me had that journey due to his reach.

A lot or quite a few people could talk about church controversy but Trent has fascinating learning to share. I'm not Catholic or even religious but love the arguments and history and thinking. Forgive me, but he would be wasted on that gossipy stuff. Mind you, your present Pope drives me nuts at times! As a person of traditional values I really wish he'd be a bit more, er, Catholic at times, so I appreciate the debate on that side too. I just think Trent is more valuable for you and for us all (because Catholicism is potentially a bulwark for Western civilisation) doing as he does.

I was raised Catholic. My grandmother worked for Gonzaga University specifically with men studying to be priests. We both agree catholic priests should be allowed to marry.

Saying that the "brothers and sisters" of Jesus were step siblings from a previous marriage of Joseph is just wrong. That would mean then that Joseph wasn't "most chaste" as we refer to him and it also implies that Mary would've had to act as mother to other children aside from Jesus, which would then demean her stature as Queen of Heaven and having a unique connection to Jesus. Plus, in the passage where Jesus is 12 and stays at the temple the author mentions nothing about siblings, just saying Joseph and Mary were travelling with family and friends and the two of them went back to look for Jesus. It is the most likely case that the "brothers and sisters" of Jesus were cousins, like John the Baptist was. It is also a very likely possibility that it simply means spiritual brothers and sisters, which is to say disciples and close friends. Both of those possibilities are far more likely and more fitting to Scripture and teaching than Jesus having step siblings.

I want it

I was thinking of going door to door too! But yesterday on Catholic Radio someone said Mass and Communion is not how to introduce people to the Catholic faith. They can't participate in Communion and during Mass you really can't explain or talk or answer questions while in situ. Where do you take people.

Standard Oil and AT&T didnt stop being monopolies because of the free market but because they were broken up by the government. Not sure if trent doesnt know that or if it was a slip of the tongue

Hey I'm from new Zealand, capital of global wokeism

Controversial opinion: Separation of Business and State is more important than the separation of Church and State.

the 'sensational side' are not the Critics (I'd guess you're talking about Church Militant, Lifesite, Timothy Gordon, etc) but are in fact those in leadership of the Church. THEY are causing division and scandal. I thank God for these godly critics. It takes courage to stand up and speak the truth. And there's almost always a price for doing so. (I spent 30 years in ordained ministry in the Episcopal Church. I fought against liberalism in that communion most of that time. The price was quite high. Stress, anxiety, people in the parish gathering together in secret meetings planning to oust you, Bishops who would stand with them and NOT you, etc etc). There is a place for apologetics. But right now we have very corrupt leadership, Satan's minions, who are hell-bent on destroying the Church. That is where the 'front' is.