Apple Just Changed Biking Forever 

can still use a BT-enabled chest strap with an apple watch which is what I do.

I was going to say my old Fenix 3 still outperforms this...

Yep... Fenix 6 and 830 owner.... I am not sure how sensors, integration, compatibility is not even mentioned in this video as if they didn't matter at all.... Speed sensor, cadence sensor, even e-bike compatibility on the 830, not mentioning that they work out of the box with Strava, Trail Forks and support industry standard track export. Linux, Windows, OSX, Android support ... etc etc etc... A real sports watch vs an office toy ...

I have a Fenix 3 and think it's better than this.

I’ve got a Fenix 5X, and the only complaint I have is the accuracy of the heart rate sensor. I’m told the Apple Watch sensor is extremely accurate, which is nice, but Apple doesn’t let Garmin devices use that data. If I could ditch my heart rate strap, I’d gladly do so, but I don’t see a way to do that right now.

So your garmin can make a phone call right? 😂 I have garmin and also gonna buy this watch

PS ... I don't mean to offend anyone and I am not an Apple hater..... When they start producing computers you can upgrade/repair I might even get one again. I was actually tempted to get an iPhone just for the LIDAR on it, but then I reminded myself of the Apple Store ecosystem I am really not missing :)

All those dumb apple haters out there …so cringe ..why you so obsessed with it if you hate it ..cringe boy

Not much a fanboy but i just don’t see anybody making a similar size watch can have 10 times battery, it can not be done with cars for example, it must mean 10 times less usage for battery thus something does not need or is absent as a precise feature.

You can get an 830 for $399. Or a Fenix 6X for $449. I agree that either of those are a much better fit if you ride a lot. I actually own both an 830 and a Fenix 6 Pro X. Excellent units with 10x the battery life for the Fenix 6 ( 25 hours estimated :unless you enable all sensors and Wifi 24/7, which I don't ... of course less if you ride 1-2 hours a day, but still comfortably pushing 2 weeks plus on a charge. )

Do yo get cell service with those? I head out with my Apple Watch for long ride, beach trips, etc, and don’t have to carry a cellphone. It syncs up with Strava and I compared it to my garmin head units and its often as accurate or more accurate and I don’t need a chest HR strap. The only cool thing would if it could sync up to power meter. The Apple Watch is also still appropriate for work and doesn’t look like a Casio GSHock…. Lastly, the resale value is great on Apple products, Ive gotten pretty good cash or trade up credits on older Apple watches.

@@Thomas-fy9yc You are right with the design, Fenix with shirt looks odd. However watch will never be as accurate as chest strap. And if you need navigation either on road or mtb, it is very dangerous to check the wrist during the trail or fast descent. That is the reason, why, if you will start riding a lot, you will use your bike computer in front of you, where you can see all data you need. I tried to ride known mtb trails with watch on, but in hot weather watch tend to slide down on wrist because of sweat. And same cross country skiing, where watch under mittens causing pain. I own AW, however for serious sports I always use Fenix.

Thank you Logan. Apple Watch has never and is still not the best option for cycling! This is clear.

Have a Garmin 530 and the Tactix Delta. Use both mountain biking all the time (not at same time). They are beasts and have way better features than this Apple watch with much better battery life.

exactly

Agreed not to mention the durability and battery life is much better than Apple.

You can get it even cheaper because the Apple Watch 6 and newer versions have it too will save you some money unles you want to get the ultra it’s all up to you I got the 6 and a update just released this feature 🤘🏼

Ok

You kinda just forget it’s there after a while

@@colebailey that is true!

Same here. I even bought Epix gen2. I've used it for two weeks but ultimately I decided it is not for me, sold it to my friend and got myself Fenix 7X Never regret it, never have I looked back. 7X is hands down the best sport tracking device I've ever seen. I have friends who have Apple watch, friends who have Suunto, Polar, Samsung, Huawei, Honor and Xiaomi watches. All of them pale in comparison.

Except Garmin disables incident detection for MTB. 😞

Wait...so Garmin lets you control music on your iPhone in any situation like biking, driving, working out, walking, relaxing, flying? And make and take calls? And let's you text? And lets you audio record? And lets you interface to AirPods? And your calendar? And gives you alerts to remind you of life priority issues of your choosing? Wow...it's strange then why Apple is one of the biggest companies in the entire world....all the dummies have been buying Apple while the smart people bought Garmin....no wonder they have billions in cash and Garmin doesn't. And brilliant analyst skills....you mean....like Apple waited for there to be an established highly populated user base in a field that they could swoop into at any moment and gradually dominate? That's called very smart business sense...letting someone else build the platform....take the risks....do the marketing until mind share on products of that arena are widely accomplished...and THEN come in with hey guys...got something you might like that's going to tie into the entire iPhone user base in ways that a Garmin never will be able to , and slowly pick off the customers that have already been made to appreciate Garmin features that now exist in the iPhone ecosystem ...for the iPhone user base that also has used Garmin...guess what product they'll more likely buy the NEXT time they need GPS outdoor functions that only bought Garmin because there was no competition? That's how smart analysts would examine the scenario....and is exactly how Apple thinks and executes....just another derivation of how the Japanese market works...let someone else do the inventing and suffer all the hiccups of that process....then simply make a better "thing" and sell it to those that obviously want something like but bought the inferior product first....it's called letting your competition create the market for you.

@@locophoto6881 Apple is a boring company in a predictable product cycle. ios is a watered down OS made for Grandma's and Facebook moms. The fact that you have to jailbreak the OS to get basic customization features is ridiculous. Apple will never have the clientele or the people to appeal to cyclists unless it's a brainwashed apple fan such as yourself. Not to mention Apple likely never will take into account certain features that are vital cyclists like strava live segments. Enjoy!

@@mioutdoors426 Jealous of their success much? Work at your own life, and it will improve...the classic sign of a loser, is the one that is simply critical and negative and insulting. iOS boring and watered down for grandmas? I'm not a fan of Apple's internal culture, I've seen it at the highest levels, with Steve Jobs personally knowing my name before he died. But to say iOS is watered down is really juvenile since iPhone is the most popular phone of choice amongst countless corporate employees and governments. Not exactly grandma, hence how I tell you're simply bitter and jealous and not a mature and reasonable analyst of data. New flash that may help....Apple is never focused on pleasing one group of people for their approval...they're in the business of making as much money as possible to forward their political agenda while claiming their goal is to "change the world", putting up with conservatives for the sake of capturing their money. Feel free to explain the intellectual logic of your frustration though...why should it be important to Apple to cater to cyclist when they can make much more money focusing on larger demographics that have much more disposable income? Seriously...explain your thinking please..and that process might help you think different. ;) But the fundamental structure of society is always the same....work is what leads to success one way or another...not criticism and childish whining.

@@locophoto6881 mind if I use your response for my essay?

Agree all the way. Just ride and have fun people no tech required. 👍🏻

and has up to 5x better battery life!

When integrated with Strava, you can ensure that these different activities are separated. The Strava app on the AW is, in my opinion, a better workout app than the native Apple variant. It has the majority of the same features as Apple’s version, but it has much more flexibility and a degree of more functionality. As a disabled e-bike rider, I use it for all my e-bike rides, both on the road and the mountain bike trails.

Use outdoor cycle, loads better for tracking your routes

@@Lifestartsatforty Thanks. I'll check it out.

leave your phone? why? don't you want to be able to call sb.?

@@mtbboy1993 The Ultra has cellular connectivity built in, it doesn't need to be connected to a phone to call, text or send data.

@@RookYZRM1 But using a watch as a phone sucks. I don't have to try it to know it.

@@mtbboy1993 it won't suck in the off chance something goes wrong and you need to call for help.

@@RookYZRM1 in that case yes it wil lbe nice, But I wear wrist braces. whhich is unavoidable, i need them to be able to brake properly.

Because now it has all the cutting edge features Garmin and Android had 4 years ago! You have to pay for innovation. /S I did not realize having a face that was protected was a feature. I though all watches had that.

Apple fanboys are fanboys because they usually nail the user interface and usability. Garmin is hot garbage in this regard. But I couldn't live with the poor relative battery life.

So Garmin has invented an incredible battery that lasts x time longer then the biggest tech company can muster? I just don’t understand, seems the non-fanboy Garmin watches are half tech-empty or have to have several times the battery size to do the numbers.

You make an interesting point but the counter point is 90% of the time that people wear watches, the AW is a better watch. I have an Epix 2 and have had every iteration of Fenix. But, my AW is a much nicer watch to wear 24/7 and provides a lot of smartwatch convenience that Garmin doesn't. Even silly things such as unlocking my phone instantly if I'm wearing a mask (much of the time as I work in healthcare). It automatically unlocks my Macbook when I open it. Taking calls, replying to messages and being able to control my smart home devices, being able to see my security cams or use siri to add reminders/ take notes/ read incoming messages or emails whilst driving etc. The walkie talkie feature is incredibly useful in a number of contexts. And the AW Ultra will integrate with the new satellite location feature on the iPhone 14 Pro's for text messaging/ voice calling and doesn't require a subscription. InReach is already starting to become less relevant.

That’s why I have a garmin 530 and an Apple Watch. I can ride with chest strap and collect all data on 530. I can also leave my phone at home and take off with my Apple Watch.

I do this with my garmin fenix... they make a handlebar clip for them. Ant+ connected chest strap for heartrate and you're good to go 👍

Did you know you can rotate the Apple Watch 180 degrees so the crown faces the opposite way and then flip the screen in settings?

You forgetting that the Ultra can make calls and connect to internet without being tethered. Can any of those devices do that? In fact, the most desirable Garmin watches cost more than the Ultra.

@@GhostFishSlayer no, they can't, but do you really go perform the target sports for this device without a phone? At least in my case, I don't see myself doing so, specially considering the battery on a GPS activity, best case scenario, is around 16 hours when it is brand new. Now assuming there's a market of people having an iPhone, doing outdoors activities comfortable with going outdoors without a phone and relying on a device with less of a day on a charge as their only connection with the world sounds very niche to me

Just as a point of accuracy, the F3 cannot do dual bands simultaneously. It also cannot answer a call on the watch only as it has no microphone, speakers or cellular connection.

@@theotherphil I have the option to "answer or decline" a call on thr watch that's connected to whatever headphones I'm using