Are All Of Your Older GPUs Now Worthless? 

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best part of the 2080 launch is that 1080ti is now 526 usd.

I’d rather buy a 1080 Ti and download RayTracing.exe

I'm still using NVIDIA GTX 750 Ti in 2018

nVidia RTX Series... designed for deeper DeepFakes

So it can't play Crysis.

900 series where not correctly named, they should have named it Hairworks 980. HTX980.

Graphics < gameplay

My whole pc cost as much as that one card lol

Man, now your just giving me more reasons to spend 500 bucks on a 1080 ti. >:(

I personally care about frame rates more than i do over graphic brilliance for games.. just as I care more about response time and refresh rates on my gaming monitors than i do about 4k resolution and va panels..

The smart thing to do is just to skip this generation. This technology is great for the future of games, but I don't think the first generation of anything is really worth investing in if you're already happy with what you have. I'd wait for the next gen RTX cards to come out in my opinion. You also are only going to be able to play a handful of games or less that support RTX for a little while anyway.

Those dislikes are from people who pre-ordered the cards.

This Ray tracing going to give us 3 fps in bf5 at 4k resolution.

Can you like take this video down ? I want people to buy the RTX GPU‘s and sell 1080/1080Ti for a low price... 😕

This time, Nvidia is doing what Intel does to AMD did this year.

I just want the 1080ti to be cheaper since atm its $1000+ aud

I dont care if they drop a 3080 I'm sticking with my 1070, given what they did last gen they are holding back anyway

Would they ever make a GTX 2080 Ti so we aren’t wasting money on Ray Tracing, however still getting the turing and performance boosts?

Here is a theory , NVIDIA priced the RTX line so high in order to sell the massive stock of pascal card's they still have ? I mean they can keep the 10XX price up and sell them because you got no choice :(

I held off waiting for this next generation and on Monday I pre-ordered a 2080. Then I looked very closely at the specs the 2080 offered. I was NOT happy spending $860 at all. I've watched for deals online and then was able to secure a 1080ti EVGA sc2 edition for $600 brand new. And so I bought it and then cancelled my 2080 Preorder. When comparing clock speed, memory bandwidth, etc - I personally believe that the 1080 ti will be onpar with a 2080 with Rtx off. I can't see any real reason how a 2080 would beat it in benchmarks and the 1080 ti offers 11gb vs 8gb. Jensen claims Nvidia is for the gamer. A lot of gamers play online where FPS means success or failure. The 20 series cards create failure in that arena. I have been so disgusted with the way Nvidia has conducted business with gamers over the past years, that when AMD comes online again - I'm voting with my cash and going pure AMD. I cannot do it this time around because I desperately need an upgrade and I'm locked in with a gsync monitor. This hardware will be passed down to my kids when it becomes obsolete and from here on out, I'm trying to buy AMD 100%. I'm done with Nvidia and they way they treat gamers.

I think I'll wait for 7nm gpu's next year, not going to lie this looks like it might be really disappointing.

Am I the only one who think the new founders card looks awkward? I’m gunna miss the blower design

Should have been called RTB"ray tracing beta" instead of RTX

I actually don't mind Nvidia doing this because all the 10 series cards will get dirt cheap soon. I'm gonna upgrade to the 1080ti soon (I'm currently on the 1060).

wait 2080ti with ray tracing is 30-50 fps? how is a 2070 suppose to be able to handle it? if you reduce the settings then that that defeats the purpose of having a realistic game, i just don't understand

I cannot put into words how disappointed I was when I saw the prices after two-and-a-half years they should have been able to give us better for apartments for cheaper. This is the longest Gap that we've had and is very little to show for it. I used to Game On AMD graphics cards but over the last few years I switched to Nvidia because of the Supreme performance over them. With such a small advancement with this I may end up switching over to AMD again with their next 7nn release.

I think the important thing to remember here is that a new feature means nothing if the card itself lacks the horsepower to actually put it to good use. This sort of reminds me of DX9 support on the FX5000 series cards, technically supported but fundamentally lacking in performance when it's enabled to the point that most people would opt for a less visually impressive code-path to maintain framerates. IMO the next generation or the one after that is liking the smartest time to buy into ray tracing enabled hardware, once the tech has matured and the cards actually have the horsepower to drive 60fps at real world resolutions without costing $1200.

Honestly the tensor cores could be phenomenal for machine learning and an industry standard. I think the ray tracing is just a gimmick to try and broaden their sales for the technology. Not to say that it's bad tech but it's *way* too ahead of its time in gaming since most game engines have not yet had the "evolution" necessary to really optimise and deal with processing such calculations

RTX. For 30 to 50 frames. For 1200bux. NO THANKS. Ill take a 1080ti thank you very much.

Guess i will just have to wait and see what AMD Radeon have to offer next year.

The demo was run on the quadro 6000 according to the artist who made it on (Source LinkedIn profile).

The 1080 TI will remain the best GPU on the market for a good moment.

why bother when consoles wont handle the RT and we know for sure mostly of games now are a port from consoles soooo i give it a 5 years gap for RT to be relevant.

So, the RTX's are basically poor man's Quadros?

Depends on how many developers will care about ray tracing and use it whether or not your old cards will be obsolete and considering how niche the enthusiast priced hardware market I doubt that many developers are gonna force ray tracing in the end because only so many people can afford the 20 series.

Not everybody updates to a new graphics card every year and maybe some people want 2080ti cause they have their current card for over 3 years

The 20 series is primarily a compute card that can also render graphics. The tensor cores are compute acceleration, the ray tracing hardware will also accelerate compute workloads. It will be a strong graphics card with improvements over the 10 series, but the biggest improvement will be its compute performance which will not be a marginal improvement like its gaming performance.

nice conversation, but you if you're calling the 10 series cards "old" well what about the 9 series? I'm still running 2 980ti in SLI and for the games that I play, they are still great. So anything about that?

Just bought an MSI R9 290 month ago for 80€, undervolted it by -100mV, underclocked it to 800 instead of the 977 stock, and runs everything 2018 Ultra 60 FPS 1080p. After reaching the 60 FPS i desire, my next goal is always just enjoying the gameplay. Can't care less about a feature that won't make any difference in gameplay. I like immersion sure, but i don't want to spend 600€ for an extra +10% immersion in games. No fucking way man. Since i'm all about budget anyways, my next step will be to resell this and grab a 1070/80 depending on how low they will get, so in a way i'm kinda thankful for the RTX to be released soon with these exaggerated prices.

UFD Tech You don't get it... Ray tracing would look amazing on a story driven narrative slow paced game where you don't need high framerates. Refresh rates have always been marketed as giving you better reaction times, and in a game like life is strange or hellblade or until dawn, frame rates don't matter, but the quality of graphics does, and 20 series should perform better than the 10 series with ray tracing off right? So in competitive games and other stuff you can simply turn it off, and when frame rate doesn't matter, turn it on for a much better experience!

Totally agree. 20xx not worth it, nor is ray tracing. Rather wait for see what AMD puts next year, and rather see more vulkan api games. Vulkan is better to focus on for Devs, then ray tracing imo, will stick with my msi GTX 1080Ti for now and next few year unless there a good reason to upgrade. For now I’m thinking upgrading my i7 3770k to Ryzen 2700. As it better spent money then on crappy 2080TI imo.

As I've said elsewhere, "For ray tracing to take off, second generation ray tracing technology from Nvidia will have to be released most likely on 7nm next year and AMD will have to get ray tracing at the hardware level hopefully with Navi. Those releases will have to include some form of ray tracing not only in the flagship graphics cards, but also in the budget graphics cards as well. Games have development cycles of 2 to 5 years, so while rasterization games will get 'RT Modes', it will take roughly 2 years from next year at least before we see games built from the ground up with ray tracing. This is what makes Nvidia's tunnel vision focus on ray tracing so infuriating, ray tracing is the future, but its a 2021 future and gamers in 2018 need to know what the rasterization performance is for Turing."

Please read recent articles. These demos were very early alpha-demos. They're not at all finished with the ray-tracing feature. Some games will release a patch after the game has been released which will enable a way more polished ray-tracing feature.

Your analysis​ is spot on again - you are on the roll these days :)

But did you answer every question effectively?. Yes, I think you did :). What I assume will happen is 1-2 years in amd and console makers will adopt Ray tracing (consoles use AMD OEM gpu's), the RT cores will be properly optimized between realism and performance, instead of a balls to the wall over burdened demo that just uses RT cores for atmospheric lighting and gaussian shadow casting, both of which are *extremely* intensive. 🤗✌️ #bulletlighting

I'd rather upgrade from my 1070 Ti to a 1080 Ti right now instead of getting a 20 Series.

As a game artist i'm interested in raytracing. Having realtime raytracing in something like marmoset toolbag could give great portfolio renders.

Dont worry people the 1080 Ti is still a bit over kill for most games now. Not even excited for these new RTX cards.

This RTX series is just one wave of nVidia's effort to push raster graphics out and to force us to accept high GPU prices

You don't really need to develop games for raytracing. If the engine supports it, the game does it, too. You need to put a lot of work in making a game look good without raytracing.

We need to wait until the benchmarks come in. It would be stupid to preorder before that.

To be fair though you don't *have* to raytrace the entire scene. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing option. You could use it to cast rays only to the light sources for example for good shadows, or even only for reflection and refraction. It won't be the same as doing the whole thing brute force, but it doesn't need to be.

I don't think they're obsolete at all. At least the 1080s and the Ti variants. It will take years for Ray-Tracing games to become commonplace, and even then the results might not be as spectacular as many gamers expect. As it is right now, you're paying a premium for Ray-Tracing capabilities and the fact that is now a feature for consumer-grade products. Thanks for this video.

No thanks. My 1080ti will do me justice still

This might be nvidia's poorest performing series of recent memory. I guess we'll have too see what the actual performance numbers look like.

There's only one reason to buy a 20 series card, and that's nvidias new reference cooler, simply for appearance sake. I won't be wasting money on it, but I'll be damned if that isn't the best looking video card ever made.

More natural and fluid animations in games are more important to me than RT. The stiff animations and discontinuous switching between the animations kill immersion. I would like to see something like the interactive Stormtrooper animation technology in the Forced Unleased used for main characters, or all characters.

Speaking as a professional film artist, Ray trace is big in movie making and has been around for awhile (but takes time to render), so if 3D render times are shortened drastically using these cards, then this is a great investment for a 3D artist!!! Pricey at the moment, but I could see that when the $599 card goes down in price most computer artists and gamers will definitely pick it up. It's already where the industry is now, so dedicated ray trace cores sound amazing. Film pushes tech and tech pushes film. Every big studio uses ray trace, so adoption seems inevitability. I'd say that for the average gamer/ consumers to wait till prices go down, refinements, second gen RT cards, and better game implementation, but I know a lot of 3D students and artists will definitely be picking this card up asap!

Yes obviously, this happens time after time. Suddenly my 1080ti stopped working... Of course had no other option but to pre-order the 2080ti

Ray tracing is like the new PhysX

I've heard that 2080ti is the card that can finaly run minesweeper at stable 45fps

I would like to see them use the RTX cores for an extra shading compute unit while RTX is disabled, and then use the RTX cores as RTX cores when RTX is enabled. It would be like a much better shading compute unit ontop of the FP32 shading compute units such as CUDA cores... I HOPE... WE CAN ALL HOPE... that Nvidia actually does something right with a new series.

What most of you don't understand there is the fact that the engines which these games are made of, are not stabilised to deliver RayTracing optimisations, because there was no raytracing publicly available to all customers in the past, yet there comes the 15-30 fps you talk about on your review. These games are already built with cached lightning which interferes with the RTX rework, which cause massive fps drops, doing the work 2x or more on an unoptimised / non-implemented engine code. All the game engines chose to have to build lightning on all levels and actors to deliver a good quality of the product because it was the obly method we had for like what, 10yrs now stabilised on a good quality? RayTracing based games will come and you will see them perform very well with those RTX editions. Keep in mind: you can't make a panser cook french fries.

It's a joke to buy a top end card and the biggest selling point is Ray Tracing, but you'll end up getting 30 - 60 FPS at 1080p. Especially since it'll cost me around 1300 Euro. Absolutely disgusting. I'll end up getting a GTX 1080 or the RTX 2070.

My theory on why they included Ray Tracing rather than using the larger die size to increase performance is to discourage miners from buying the cards (the cards were designed when mining was at its peak).

So I guess this is how Nvidia deals with its surplus GPUs from the mining prime era

Alright having a 1060/1070mobile isn't obsolete. hell yeah my money isn't wasted.

1. The demo is unfinished, with unoptimised drivers. It will get better with maturity. 2. Your general tone sounds like you're paid to say that these cards are bad, but this technology is impressive in terms of doing real time ray-tracing. Only a few months ago, a few seconds of ray-tracing took hours to days to render, depending on your setup.

Actually i feel better now owning Pascal GPUs. Lol

Lol. Yea I'm not obsolete!

Gonna play my vega 56 till Idk

Tomb Raider devs said that their will be a Ray Tracing compatibility patch after the game launches. The RTX demo was done on an earlier version of the game.

I think the main question is not about the 10 series, we have all that data we know how the perform. What we need to ask is why the lack of FPS and traditional performance numbers in Nvidia's anouncement? If we are going to get the hopefully 15-50% increase in fps ray tracing aside, then I can maybe see the price increase not only do we get the step up in traditional gaming performance we also get to see what early ray tracing can do. Ray tracing is not worth 100% price increase alone, not even close. WAIT FOR BENCHMARKS.

It's a win win situation for nvidia whether we buy new or old series. Let's all buy radeon cards and shift to amd eco system

What I'm getting from this is that Nvidia took a giant step back by creating cards that render great looking games, but perform like garbage at 1080p. I mean, what happened to mastering 4k? These cards, based on the information we have available (which means that new info can still pop up to change minds), are absolutely worthless to those of us who have a higher end 9 series or 10 series card. Ray-tracing! The new GameWorks! Looks great, but you're just going to wind up turning it off anyway.

I think this will be only a problem for the first one or two generations. While right now maybe most people will turn it off, with the 2180 and 2280 it will most definitely get better. And just like with the VR problem, where Devs were incentivized to develop VR, Nvidia will maybe have to pay for the development of ray tracing until it is fully adopted by the consumer. Just because it is not perfect right now does not mean that we should stop technological progress. Maybe there will be less demanding games, where you can still hit 60 with ray tracing on. That's the same as with a 4k display. You can't play all games on 4k 60fps but people still buy those displays. Following your train of thoughts, just because there will be scenarios where people have to lower resolution to play at 60fps, that means that nobody buys 4k displays, but that is obviously wrong. And devs also have to learn how to work with ray tracing. It's totally new. That's also why on consoles the games at the end of the generation look so much better than at the beginning, even though the hardware didn't change, instead the devs learned how to program more efficiently for the platform. The same will happen with ray traving. I for one welcome the change and can't wait for what will come.

got a gtx 1080 2 days before the rtx launch, it's my first build, never been a happier gamer!

If ray tracing is the future which is most likely is then you are adopting early consumer level tech which is what high end cards should do... Bring all of the tech to the lower end cards years later...

The RTX cards are pointless when most people turn shaders off for online games to get an advantage on the people who think they are hidden in the shadows

Computers Used to go Down in Price

“I’m more about enjoying the game, than I am about waiting to have the very best graphical experience...” Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, for being the voice of common sense. nVidia's efforts to pawn off their defective Quadros to gamers, and then to try to justify this by charging them MORE money than the obsecene amount they were already charging, in order to get some extra reflections off of a pavement is ridiculous. Anybody falling for this is simply unintelligent. End of story. You're a dupe. ESPECIALLY if you've pre-ordered a Green Goblin card before even seeing any independent benchmarks. You're Pavlov's dog, salivating at the prospect of something before you even know if it's a delicious steak or a piece of turd. AMD isn't shivering or quaking in their boots... they're LAUGHING. Laughing at the stupidity of attempting to spin this as anything other than a pathetic cash grab to help nVidia pay for flawed dies that can't be sold for $10,000. And I'm laughing along with AMD. Know what I decided to do with the money I had considered using to buy a 2060 or 2070, until I found out there won't BE an RTX2060, and that the 2070 was going to be $600? I decided to hang onto my still excellent R9 290 for my PC, and bought a PS/4 Pro to play some exclusives, giving AMD some extra cash, and allowing me to try out Spider-Man and God Of War, that's what. I haven't owned a console since the 1980s. Don't feed the Green Goblin!

I'm really more interested in seeing the performance in video editing applications such as Premiere, Davinci. The 1080 has been working great for me so far.

Lets put things in perspective. 2080 can do 18 tera ops per second in traditional games, while 1080 can do 9 Tera ops. 2080 has 14 ghz memory, while 1080 has 10 or 11 ghz memory. The simply two different type of instructions shaders can handle are given their separate units that run in parallel when executing shaders, what used to be called tflops is now split to tflops and tips. It should be obvious from my description that while on paper it is twice as much computing power, in reality the shaders are not 50% tips and 50% flops which would be the 100% improvement. In 33-66mix it would be 50% performance increase. While in 20-80mix it would be 25% improvement. What it looks like to me that 2080 is going to improve traditional game performance but nVidia is so hyped by its new technology and tries to get as many developers on board as possible, that whatever performance improvement they can get in traditional games is secondary importance to them. They really WANT raytracing to succeed, and not only their new cards.

Do you think it'll be worth getting one? I have an rx 480, what would be a good upgrade for that?

I disagree; From a gamers point of view, "switching off Ray tracing", gives you more frame rates, ok! But as a developer, I don't have to make hundreds of texture maps to make the game look real, as Mr.Jensen Huang said, "you just turn RTX on and it just works". This my friend, will revolution the gaming industry. -> You don't have to turn off Ray tracing to play games at higher frame rates. -> You can expect high quality games from small indie game studios. -> Soon you can expect AR(argumented reality) games to have real time lighting effects based on your surroundings (yeah! That just became a possibility with this Turing GPU architecture. And deep learning...., It's not even at the realm of your current imagination, and that's not for this discussion anyway...

I'm not that mad because, as a game developer, the new card opens a whole new can of squirmy worms.

Good video, long-winded, but good video. I'm glad you included fps info, I was not aware of the fps were so low with the new cards. I won't be changing my Titan X SLI setup any time soon.

This is a great video! It reminds me of what TB(rip) used to say: You're paying the premium to play/use it first. He said that for the initial VR stuff, and this video reminds me of that. I don't think I'll be looking towards RTX until a good while after they've released. I'm a patient dood, I can wait for games to build properly into ray tracing, and then go from there. Thanks! +1 to your sub count.

Maybe their plan is to sell those 10 series cards left over in their inventory.

Yo another great video, keep up the good work

Mine is a gt 1030 ):

I love how there was a perfectly placed advertisement as you were saying "certain people such as myself will not pay $1200 to play a game at 1060p and not even hit 60 *ad* frames per second."

Agreed 100% The 20 series makes itself a hard buy due to early adoption tax, and the fact that by the time the software etcetera has caught up with the new tech the 7nm cards would have dropped at 20 series prices or better because the early adoption tax is gone. Right now, a significant leap in GPU performance is needed to make ray tracing genuinely accessible, and whilst 20 series is definitely a leap forward, it just doesn't look significant enough to justify the investment particularly at that price point. In any case that's just my $0.02, and we don't know how much of a difference driver optimization will make at this stage

these new cards are a joke... they're not even powerful enough at ray tracing to make it worthy... This is just so in 10 years when ray tracing is common the older cards will still work...

720p to get 60fps 😂😂😂 hell no!

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As long as the gaming performance isn't any worse than the 10 series, I'll remain excited. Because what I really want to see is how the 20 series performs in 3D rendering and AI tasks.

My problem with this opinion is with simply one fact that he stated; however he founded the entire video on this fact. It's that the card was performing sub 60FPS on 1080p. He stated that tomb raider is weeks from launch so it should be ready. While I do agree that SHOULD be the case, it makes way more sense that neither the cards nor the game has been fully optimized yet. I'm not saying to anticipate 60fps at 4k with Ray tracing on, but I would expect 75+fps at 1080p with tracing once optimized. We do know that it's going to be a hardware hog, but graphics nerds will still play 1080p 60fps on solo games for that beautiful enjoyment of the latest and greatest tech. Or pay the Piper for 4k 60+fps out of the 2080 that the 1080ti struggles if, even gets to, 60fps on. I feel like running 4k 60fps on highest settings for Destiny 2 PvE will be an absolute delight for me. (PvP would be a different story altogether, but not my cup of tea)