@@SenseiSeth so why the click bait? Also, your white belt in bjj doesn't have any weight in the effectiveness of current bjj. Which is higher than its ever been. Ever.
Knowing Old time Judo guys and what they would teach vs. today Judo most definitely is watered down. But any martial art that starts to have a serious sports focus seems to get watered down from its original martial roots.
Had an uncle who was a Vietnam Veteran with major PTSD and was doused in Agent Orange. He was prescribed a half pound of pharmaceutical cannabis from the chemist because he would trigger over Choppers in the sky, sudden repetitive loud noises and all sorts, and just go berserker mental thinking we were all Viet Cong. For all my martial arts training and despite his age I was never any match for his old school Combat Judo when he lost it. Even afterbreceiving some basic training in the same style from some more stable Vets the old man was just a savage. Walking into a Judo Club and seeing Olympic Judo was a joke in comparison
I was a college judo player in the late 80s and early 90s. Went to both college meets and some open tournaments and even a few dojo challenge type deals our coach/sensei set up with others he knew. (Including an awesome time we all lined up by weight and the two lightest had a match in the center and the winner stays for the next in line from the other dojo. One of my best memories of my college years actually). Anyway, I had a point. I am not sure if it is 'watered down' but it seemed to me that Olympic level judo has become totally about the throws. If they do not get an ippon they let go and jump back rather than go to ground work. I know you use a lot of energy on the ground and in judo there are often several matches in the same day. But I do wonder if the "elite" players and teachers even bother to teach/learn the ground work anymore.
@Rune Age Mage as far as I'm concerned those beatdowns made me the martial artist I became, without them I lacked the knowledge of true lethality. As a Karateka I got my first beat down from a Thai Fighter in the early 90's when Muay Thai was still relatively unknown in the West. Even that beatdown didn't compare to what the Uncle put on me. I consider myself privileged to have experienced it multiple times and having survived it without permanent injury.
dang, I would listen to a podcast of just you guys talking martial arts. I was Mcdojo'd as a kid in taekwondo (ATA). It was a great foundation as a kid but really found my calling with boxing and Muay Thai.
I think most martial arts go through a process that is like... First its just born out of neccesity... Then it gets watered down because life is not as brutal anymore in most places its practiced... Then its modernized when its noticed that it started to suck, and the process repeats the last 2 parts untim eternity
Great conversation, most martial arts used to be full combat systems including striking, grappling etc. But have been watered down and specialised into certain areas due to things like sport rules, regulations and teaching kids, especially the less dangerous aspects.
The issue is two elements: 1) more services than demands and 2) monopoly of competition. The first one is a consecuences of making more dojos than there is demand, if you open a dojo and there is not good demand you lower the entri to the practice so the public that you may not be reaching through the traditional methods can enter. An example are kids and karate, karate dojos trainned used by pretty tought early on, but the need to reach this new public (kids) meant you can't keep the traditional methodology. The second is exactly what you guys talked, the olympics; if you have a institution that regulate one way of competing, you are innevitable going to change your methodology for that way of competing, look at kendo, kendo had plenty of guards and move, now they can only use 3 guards I believe, because the committes regulate the entirety of the sport.
Absolutely, back in the day a Karate Dojo was like a boxing gym in a tough neighbourhood, it attracted fighters & they had certain expectations about the intensity of training. That has changed now, most Karateka are weekend warriors & are more likely to be dentists, lawyers or bankers than street kids. Not that that is inherently bad, but it does talk to what you say here about who a dojo attracts & how that effects training.
@@KuyVonBraun "Not that that is inherently bad" thanks, I forgot this, that lowering the entry isn't bad, is just inevitable if people want to live of teaching. No one can keep a school open when the retention is of 6 tough people. But tournaments are the nail in the coffin. Because in general people who train seek 2 things: self improvement (they reduce it to the black belt) or competition. If the later is a terrible for growing and you don't have more than one option, its the end, the person will train focusing in that bad option they have.
Luckily (or Unluckily) in my area Judo dojo's are going extinct. Very few out here. I've opened up a school, and yes it's only 6 people, but it's not my day job.
@@SeanWinters that’s sad because Judo is a really solid art. It’s a shame they keep adding more & more rules for competition though, at this rate throws will be banned next 🤣. I think if Judo got back to its roots it’d be a lot more popular, essentially BJJ but with an emphasis on tachiwaza (which is better for self defence IMO anyway)
I began studying Kyokushin Karate in 1973, I was 13 years old. The classes were very physical, it seemed that there was always a few people who had bruised ribs and taped fingers and toes. The class was not geared towards kids, it was mostly adults. We didn't try to hurt each other but we sparred hard. We would also put on boxing gloves and go full contact. During the 80's I was teaching at Alameda Navel Air Station. The class was some enlisted men and women, plus spouses and children who lived on the base as well as civilian employees who worked on the base. I had to dial it back a bit too fit the general makeup of my students, while still trying, as much as possible to stay true to the way I was taught and stay true to the art. I did see that other people who were teaching within the same school system were totally gearing towards kid friendly classes with gentle sparring, which I was O.K. with but also giving belts to people in order to keep them coming to class rather than giving them only when they were truly earned. I broke away from the school after attending a ranking where people were awarded their Shodan, who in my opinion hadn't even been close to earning it.
I love the watering down of BJJ. I'm 42. There's like a 98.7% chance that I'll never need to use my jiu-jitsu in some random attack or whatever. If I got mugged, instead of suburban revenge fantasy, I'd deescalate and capitulate as best as possible and go on with my life. But I do have a high chance of getting out of shape and then having a heart attack, etc. And I find fantasies of being a "fighter" help motivate me to get out there and train. Jiu-jitsu inspires me in that realm. I've lost tons of weight doing BJJ and training for BJJ. I've put on lots of muscle. I look different because of it. I've tried hardcore BJJ schools. Those left me injured after every class. Not out for a month injured. But hurt. Watered down, light jiu-jitsu keeps me working out and inspired, but doesn't leave me aching all through work the next day with a busted lip.
Judo will round out the other two very well. Judo is the bridge between these two. Learn how to throw and how to enter the ground from a throwing position, and you'll be golden. Only thing left after that is learning knees and elbows from muy Thai.
Great video guys, I did Shotokan years ago and it took me a year to get to orange belt. Our black belts general took 5 years and we would attend training 3 times a week. I think people neglect the fact that you need to attend class regular as well.
My kids gym does 3 hours a week bjj.... Usually takes 20 years for black belt here. We're in Abu Dhabi, there's massive tournaments every year as well.
I think just like karate and Taekwondo it is becoming more of a sport. That’s not even the main problem these days. I think the real problem is a lot of kids want to say they are a black belt. They don’t want to put in work they just want it. And I think In some dojo’s at least this is allowing the mcdojo aspect of things. So I think yes BJJ is kind of deteriorating. Not in all areas though. In my area at least Taekwondo and karate are taught in traditional forms same with all other martial arts.
Agreed, though the "water down" stuff can happen thanks to IJF, such as banning throws and let touching etc. I still teach the "forbidden techniques", just sucks we can't use em in tournaments.
Definitely agree I don’t hand belts out for technical knowledge you gotta be able to apply it and it’s not something you can be soft with you either get tough or you don’t make it
Slowly Bit by bit certain elements of a martial art gets removed or illegalities. For BJJ we already see some rule sets where slams, jumping guard, knee locks, scissors, spinal, neck manipulating, small finger joints are illegal and not talked about.
My judo sensei required us to win matches in competition to advance and then for me to get first degree brown I went to a test where there were three other senseis from other dojos and the candidates had three matches. You didn't have to win them all but show the level of competence they judges sufficient under stress. (This was after getting enough points in tournaments). I failed my black belt test (which had katas I really hadn't mastered) and ended up drifting away from Judo as I moved away post college and never found a private judo place that looked worth joining.
Been doing judo for 8 years and i'm happy that i've achieved my brown belt through hardwork and perseverance. 😎 No pain no gain. Respect and love to all martial artists.
I’ve always looked at my karate experience as a very personal journey and the belt is like a representation of that work. I think that’s the great thing about the martial art aspect of it and why I’ve never really looked at it as a sport. Within the same style I have seen and worked with other sensei and have learned a lot and feel like it makes my journey personal.
There must be a way to start off soft for kids, and then transfer into a more practical style as they grow in the system. I do Sekukan karate do and it seems to me that it starts off soft for the younger kids, but as you grow it it progress' into a harder style as you grow.
Meh. You could do that with Muay Thai,boxing,Jujitsu, wrestling, etc. Just soft spar and practice techniques. That way you can be a killer at anytime. All you have to do is finish with intent which is super simple. You can teach a jab and make then practice and its super simple. You can soft spar like playing tag then at anytime when they go full force that jab will be perfect
I think one thing that people need to look at is that any fighting system has to adapt to survive, and that can involve changing its curriculum to meet society, like changing laws for example.
I would say making martial arts more into sports gives it more authenticity. If a martial art isnt practiced regularly against a live opponent trying to beat you, then its more just a fun way of exercising.
I think non-sport martial arts should have live non-cooperative resistance anyways. The sport aspect does not seem necessary - the non-cooperative resistance part I think should be necessary.
@@ShadowParalyzer the problem is drilling moves against a resisting partner doesnt necessarily translate to being able to pull it off while live sparring
@@konev13thebeast Oh, I wasn't thinking about drilling - like doing the same move over and over again. I am thinking of live sparring, but I suppose the reason I don't consider that a sport is because I don't think having a point-system is necessary.
Excellent video! I really appreciated the content and open discussion here. The library analogy was great. Hope you don't mind if I borrow that idea for explaining things to my students!
Awesome to get your first sponsor like that. Keep up the good work. I love the bit about philosophical ethos of the gym, of the art. The mindset of a philosophy can change a life! Now, Go kick something.
This is my two cents on the issue: 1) You need to approach this not based on the rules, but on intent (this is what has been mentioned in terms of looking at Martial Arts as a sports). This was a conclusion in the HEMA community, if you have the sport with it's game, the actions will become gamified to suit the rule-set. The alternative is to instill a cultural mentality of what you're intending to do, so what does a hit mean in the context of the ruleset? What does it represent? At the end of the day, Martial Arts is a system of fighting and needs to be some representation of that (whether recreational, which is what the majority of people do Martial Arts do, or to actually train to fight). You need to instill that way of thinking when approaching competition. Take BJJ for instance, no slams in BJJ changes the ball-game because what's the mentality? What are you replicating? The context of BJJ changes when you have upright slams and throws. There needs to be some consistency with the wider context of how you fight (something which three of you were talking about). 2) I've seen belt systems be predicated on, and I think this is right, a level of perceived complication in a Martial Art, with the more belts meaning the more perceived complication (or at least this has been what I've seen). Boxing and Wrestling don't have belts but utilise more or less simple systems and repetitive moves (Greco-Roman has a lot of analogues with no gi Judo but doesn't use a belt system). The issue is, from my perspective, people want that progression, even though it may artificially be created, which is more of a statement of what people expect. People are more likely to go somewhere with that sense of progression rather than grind it out in a Wrestling or Boxing class.
Most film and Anime show a would be fighter, regardless of style, going through training in seclusion. In the mountains or the woods, on an island or even just a secluded dojo or gym. This is for dramatic reasons (the hero's journey) but it also satisfies a logical assumption. In order to absorb something as difficult as a fighting art you must take it seriously be focused intensely and listen to your instructor and trust them to bring out your potential. This is not the case for most non professional fighters in real life but it does illustrate the attitude with which one must approach any potential fighting art you decide to learn or teach. To teach is to impart power. To learn is to receive power. Power is dangerous. It can corrupt, it can deceive and it can kill. It requires responsibility, discipline respect and restraint.
I love the collabs, great content! I’ve been watching Shintaro since I’ve started judo, it’s cool to see you get along with him so well. Also glad you got a little taste of judo after that tier list ;p joking ofc
You guys are great. I am looking into taking some Judo classes. I think that it might win out versus Bjj in the street. I don't want to lie in guard on the concrete road and have him pick me up and slam me back down on my head. I have been into boxing since i was a kid, but I don't think that is enough on the street.
I think making sure people understand what they are doing, why they are doing it, and how it relates to their individual goal will definitely help with this issue. The Karate Kid is a great example. Kid gets all of these task that seem to be unrelated to his goal. Then when he decides to quit the instructor provides the secrets of the task and how they help. Instructors today need to do a better job of this on the front end. With all of the options and information out there you really need to get to why this works and how it will help you. Gone are the days of blindly following to figure out the secret techniques
The monetization of karate, with its inherent marketing to children and accompanying emphasis on sport karate and competitions has definitely led to the watering down of the overall art. I started my karate training (a Uechi-Ryu dojo) in the early to mid 90s. Everybody there was a teenager or adult, and pretty much everyone was there because they wanted to learn how to fight. There were no children, all sparring was free, not point, and the contact was hard. There was hardly a class where I didn't come home with some bump or bruise, be it from iron-body conditioning or sparring (had my shin split open in one casual sparring session). Yes, we enjoyed it and had fun with the training (it's hard to stick with something you don't like), but self-defense was the primary motivation for pretty much all of us. In all that training I did not "perform" a single kata for competition purposes, and never point sparred. Fast forward over 20 years to my current karate training (a Shito-Ryu dojo) with my children. The instructor is a middle aged guy like me, who also grew up doing karate in a more traditional, old-school environment. He tries to incorporate as much self-defense into the classes as he can. But since he has to pay the bills, there are a lot of kids there (mine included), most of the sparring is WKF point-style, and there is a big sport emphasis in it. Even the other adults who are there are doing it more for the physical fitness aspect, or to do it as an activity with their children. The sad thing is that most of the kids get bored with the sport aspect and quit by their early to mid teens, so there's a constant need to replace the elementary and middle school kids with more elementary and middle school kids. I've only been at this dojo for 4 years (currently a brown belt, since it's not a belt factory) and I've lost track of how many kids I've seen come and go. I'm fortunate that my formative years in karate were in a different time period, so I can interpret a lot of my current training through a more traditional self-defense lens, which I also share with my children. But I know that me and my family are the exception, not the norm, in this regard. Sorry for the long post. I still love karate and get a ton out of it. Otherwise I wouldn't keep training or have my children do it. And my current school is good. I just miss the more traditional mindset, I guess.
Martial arts tend to get watered down in two ways, that both stem from them no longer being real-world combat arts. The first is that they become about self-development instead of self-defense. And the second is that they become sports, with rules, instead of self-defense.
I searched for a Judo gym where I lived for years and they were always so far away but luckily I found something haha. I really wish there was more Judo gyms in the states (where I live there is maybe 2). I am really glad that my Judo instructor teaches both Olympic and the older style. Our class is more in line with Kano Jiujitsu rather than Olympic Judo itself.
I'm Friends with Brian and Shintaro and have BB in Japanese Jiu Jitsu 7 Karate 4 ,Judo 4 and Renzo Gracie 1st . Great Conversation bro .I would only add my two cents and say that There are 3 different ways to think about this. There are Martial Arts ( Self Defense/ Combativs, Martial Sports "Sport Karate /BJJ /JUDO and then there are Martial Ways ,Aikido ,Tai Chi etc . In order to be a complete Martial Artist you need to be able to combine the best of the Sport with the Combative mindset of anything goes and be prepared mentally for what that entails . Peace out Bro 🖐️
Duuuuuude, you really needed the guys from the welcomemat steve scott channel in on this conversations. They're doing a grass roots judo that goes against all the modern rules and still practice old school techniques that are no longer legal in modern judo competition
@@marcoarana2773 Again, I should have elaborated. Hapkido is mainly marketed towards kids now, but it involves some judo throws and karate or jiu jitsu joint locks, which are extremely useful in any sort of combat.
@@marcoarana2773 WTF takewondo concentrate on kicks above from the belt line. There are punches, but not to the head, something the gentleman who taught me Taekwondo once stated was a questionable rule. War takwondo is more the more hardcore version.With no rules, you can utilize everything with your body; elbows, knees and yes, punches to the face
As a judo/jujitsu guy, I like to BJJ people a little bit of crap, but I really, really appreciated the thoughtfulness of Brian Glick's responses in this video.
Taekwondo and karate have notable differences, people misunderstand taekwondo thinking that taekwondo is all about kicking which is false, taekwondo also has punching techniques n stuff like that. When i become a purple belt i will upload a video of me showing what i learn
Featuring sensei seth, and shintaro higashi* 😋 Bjj dude monopolized the conversation. But all you guys are awesome! Watching Shintaro's Judo basics rn!😊
I personally usually say like this; if your martial arts lacks wrestling, headbutts, pugilism, elbows, kicks, knees, joint locks and/or chokes, you're doing Aikido. And it's only to provoke a thought. Great episode as always maybe I could mention also. :D
@@SenseiSeth As said in the edit, it's mostly to provoke thoughts in people if they are becoming to "specialized" and with all those problems coming along that mr Glick mentioned early in the clip (during the "Gentrification" part). As long as people are prepared to do things outside their comfort zone sometimes atleast, no-one should complain. I really enjoys like how you as a main striker goes to grapplers and they are open to do stand-up with you also, this exchange you people are doing is gold.
A very interesting discussion from three 'martial arts' instructors. if you look at people like Jigoro Kano (judo) and Gichin Funakoshi (karate). They were both looking at fighting systems: Karate primarily from Okinawa and Jujitsu from mainland Japan. Now these fighting systems were there as an adjunct to weapons used in a battle/conflict situation and were used to incapacitate/kill your adversary. Kano and Funakoshi were looking to use these fighting systems as a physical education for children in schools so obviously the the violent (practical techniques) had to be stripped away. As the prospect of severely injured or dead children after a PE lesson at school would have not gone down well. Look at the majority of 'combat sports' (western or Eastern in origin) and by their vary nature of being a 'sport' they become watered down. Rules, referees, governing and awarding bodies. Even in the MMA competition or 'cage fighting' there is someone other than the the two combatants ready to step in and stop the fight.. The same cannot be said when you happen to unfortunately be attacked out in the 'real' world when the attacker stops when they get tired or you have been beaten to a pulp. So do we look at 'martial arts' from two stand points: as 'arts' that are for our physical, emotional and moral development or as an effect fighting system which we can use on that (hopefully rare) occasion to protect/defend ourselves or someone else from being violently attacked. I do speak from a background of training in Japanese 'martial arts' way back in the 1960's as a young teenager started judo Also trained in the following Karate styles : Kyokushinkaikan; Shotokan and Wado-ryu. And briefly in Jujitsu and Aikido. Each one of these have informed me in many ways. My apologies for such a long-winded comment.
It all depends on what school you go to. As a kid in the 70’s, I took Tang Soo Do from a Chuck Norris school, pretty legit. As an adult, I took Jiu Jitsu from Rickson, very legit. Both of those were hardcore basics as their fundamentals. Today, there’s so many of both and are not as hardcore.
Well a little of everything might be the answer for mma or maybe its different for every individual using no way as a way be formless as Bruce lee would say
We've had quite a few people do black belt in 3 years, but some that took 10 to finish out brown. For us it's the mastery of the curriculum and ability to spar respectably against the belt guys above and below you. If you're practicing 10-15 hours a week that's going to take a lot less time
I am a black belt 1 Dan in judo, and where I am from a black belt does have a little bit to do with how good you are at fighting but not 100%. if you get your black belt at around 18 (which is what I did, after 12 years of judo at that point) you will have to fight for it, we have this type of "tournament" called "shiai" and you have to get 10 points (in that tournament you are not allowed coaches, no rest between fights, and you have to win with ippon or you don't get a point but you can keep fighting, and if you lose you're done and you go home, winning 6 in a row with a Ippon is also equal to 10 points, and otherwise you have to come to shiai every month till you get the points) if you are quite a bit older you can get your black belt purely on "theory" but the exam for it will be a lot harder. you can also only start doing shiai from a certain age if I'm not mistaken, and you have to be at least brown belt. most judo clubs also make it that there has to be time (like a year) between getting belts, or a minimum age (not sure if that is mandatory for the clubs to do or not, but mine does it) in shiai you can also go against all age groups, from another 18 year old to a 40 or more, anybody can compete I think. and if you try to get your points for the next Dan you can fight all other Dan's so a 1st Dan can with a 4th Dan. anyway long story short, the 17 - 18 year old's that have a black belt, have fought for it. and the ones getting it the earliest are very good fighters usually (I'm not one of them... I went to shiai like for 2 years before i got all my points for 1st Dan. by now I have all the points for 2nd Dan but I still have to do the exam, which is not easy and is time consuming)
My Sensei refused to sell belts or patches. We were ALL white until black...and it took years...there were two black belts in the dojo. I jokingly referred to them as "Student number one" and "Student number two"...lol. We were aware of our progress via our "dan" levels but never wore any outward sign of it...we were ALL learning and teaching. His dojo, AS A BUSINESS, took a hit for that but he really felt it was disingenuous, for him, to do otherwise.
Its cool for Martial arts to be sport oriented, it keeps most of the benefits and levels up the players, problems arise with lame ruleset like banning leg grabs in judo or not penalizing your oponent for climbing you in bjj because he cannot slam you
I started out taking Tang Soo Do at around 13, took it for a few years and then really got bored with the way it was being taught. Fast forward a whole bunch of years and I start taking BJJ, I became a completely different fighter once I started taking BJJ. I think the most important thing is the methodology of the dojo and it’s teachings, and of course your coach. I go to a great dojo and I have a fantastic coach, those two things keep me motivated and wanting to learn the right way and to train the right way.....and most of all, have respect for the martial arts.
BJJ was, at its creation, a stripped down version of Kodokan Judo. When he fought Helio Gracie, Kimura didn't even consider what Gracie was doing any different from judo, just that he was a ne-waza specialist.
Belts are tricky. It's multi-purpose. There's a value implied to changing the color of the belt and that type of value depends on your point of view. If you run a school, upgrading belt levels are dangling carrots to keep the student engaged. It gives them something to shoot for. It's also a way to keep the student giving you repeat business and paying you month after month, year after year. It can be a hindrance, too. For example, one dojo outlines you'll make bb in 10-15 years with regular training and another dojo says we can give your bb in 3 or 4 years, on the surface of it, 3 or 4 years sounds better. Sounds cheaper, too. One student who values personal training more will choose the first dojo. Another student who might value their wallet more and/or achieving their bb quicker so they can say they're a bb and part of this exclusive, elite club will choose the second dojo. In the martial arts world, we value belts as a measure of knowledge, skill level, or both. From the outsider's point of view, it's skill level alone. Imagine some bb in Karate or even Judo got their ass handed to them in a street fight by someone with little or no training. They expect that if you're a high level belt or a bb in some martial art, you shouldn't ever lose in a fight or have a tough time neutralizing your opponent. You're not a real bb. You bring shame to yourself and the martial art you represent for losing a fight. Not such tough shit, are ya? That's the problem. That's the perception. People think that a highly trained martial artist is invincible. If that person loses a fight in the street, it's shocking because it implies the martial art is worthless. Being a trained martial artist doesn't make you superhuman. It's not fucking magic. Take the toughest martial artist ever. I don't care who. Rickson Gracie. Fedor. Karelin. Ali. Bruce Lee. Jon Jones. Hell, take any UFC HW in history. Whoever. Say they encounter a gorilla, tiger, or bear and must engage in combat. You have no chance. Zero. The only shot you have is the animal disengages or you escape somehow. The mission changes from fighting to win to fighting to survive, which is integral to any self-defense application. It's a re-education. In martial arts tournaments and controlled fights, the goal is to win. In self-defense, the goal is to survive, first and foremost. Many BJJ schools are appealing to the sport aspect more and more and de-emphasizing survival and self-defense. While it helps spread the art more promoting it as sport, similar to Judo centered around the Olympics, it takes something away from it, too. With Judo, however, throws and takedowns are very much transferrable to street application and staying on your feet is a good thing so you can be more mobile, evade, and run away. I like the idea in of limited groundwork in Judo and Sambo. It's better for street. It promotes to finish the fight on the ground quickly. You don't want to be on the ground a long time in a real life situation. In that sense, sport BJJ is not optimal for self-defense. Many of the techniques don't transfer over well to MMA or street. You don't want to be on your back in a real fight. I don't care how good your guard is. Wont' do you much good if the guy is reigning punches on you and he's got his buddies as backup. Youth, size, strength, athleticism, conditioning, situational awareness all play a part in a fight. And fighting an untrained opponent can often be much more challenging than a trained opponent. Could be striking or grappling. BJJer against another BJJer, there are certain tendencies and patterns in the course of the roll. You both have a common thread in how you fight one another. With an untrained opponent, there's no pattern. It's just pure chaos. They're not going to fight you like one of your BJJ partners during a roll. If you don't train for punches, you don't train for self-defense, and you don't train to simulate fighting against an untrained opponent, yeah, you just might get your ass handed to you in a real life encounter, regardless of your belt level.
I trained in tae kwon do and hapkido from 1986 to 2015. However, it was definitely not WTF olympic style, but old style jidokwan. It was totally different from what was being taught in wtf schools at the time.
Running a Marathon is probably bad for your Knees .... Flag Football , Basketball, Surfing or Body Boarding, Weight Lifting/Crossfit (many in BJJ and /or Karate will also do the Weightlifting or Crossfit and Strength Training is a very traditional thing to do for Karate)
I look at it this way, if the heavyweight Olympic Gold Medal winners of Judo, Wrestling and TKD were walking down the street and i had to fight 1, I am going with TKD…. Never pick a fight with a man who has cauliflower ears and no neck
I would definitely say judo is watered down. If anyone has seen the original kodokan syllabus not only does it contain all the ground work found within Brazilian jiu-jitsu but it also contained strikes that were taken from funakoshi's original shotokan syllabus that were used to enter into the grappling. Now days you can find a lot of judo places that have gone back to find the traditional judo, be it kosen, the remaining traditional kodokan or schools that go back to re add ground and transitions into submissions. But so far I've only seen one school that's added back the striking That being said it still works as the sport version where as sport karate doesn't The question is why? The rule set It was never allowed to become non combative as a sport There is no way as a sport to softly throw someone to the ground And judo guys had already been doing it long before the sport so they knew how to make it safe as a competition As for bjj It was somewhat created through watering down already. It rose through sport and competition and I don't think I've ever seen non sport bjj or the lost techniques of bjj
Everything is water down because people need to make money. And kids are the key. It is sad but it is the truth. Martial at a high level is "boring" because I am just working on my round kick for an hour to get better.
