Are hexagons the BESTAGONS in Cities Skylines 2? 

I know the "nice round 256" thing was a joke but as a programmer that made me very satisfied

He declared he's going to build a city out of only hexagons, proceeds to only build it out of triangles 😮

Hexagons are the bestagons because they can be built of triangles, which produces a tesselated pattern of nested hexagons, which is referred to, by me, as nestagons.

As a software engineer, I support the "let's just see what happens" development model.

The strongest shape can be made of bestigons, hence why it's the strongest shape.

The problem with the dam is there's a glitch where it builds multiple dams when there's a height difference. You need to terraform first to make sure both ends of the dam are the same height before you build it.

I'd actually watch a whole series on that city tbh

Obviously they are. No need to ask

with the wind direction never changing, i feel that kinda forces our cities to be so similiar in zone placement

Hexagons are indeed the bestagons. Infinitely stackable with no gaps, look as cool as a rottweiler on a motorcycle, and structurally sound. What's not to love?

Matt worried about crematorium polluting yet didn’t notice the wind direction blowing straight into the residential area when putting his coal power plant and industrial area in Edit: he just realised…..

precision engineering in cs1 made this work. finnesseing those 120 angles seems fine at first, but the variance will cascade through the grid if you're not exactly perfect every single time.

Am I the only one that when he was placing the initial roads, thinking that he just needs to type in the numbers and tab over to the angle, like in AutoCAD?

In Brazil we have a cities designed like that. The hexagonal layout and triangular blocks. The cities are very pretty and are a tourist attraction

I did a Bestagon-city experiment in Cities Skylines(1) after reading about mixed-use urban development. My experiment used a bit larger hexagons for a "neighborhood-cell" and each city-cell had 3 "forest-and-parks-cells" right next to it, each "neighborhood-cell" also had up to 12 blocks with a strategic mixture of zones in each block so all zone-types were available within a cell. I ended up connecting the centre of each cell with a underground grid of roads and rails, and then I made the "boarder road" between each ground-level "cell" in the "city-lattice" be exclusively for biking, walking and services, with the above ground roads having a focus on bike-lanes, public transport lanes, and sidewalks. It was ridiculously expensive to build underground infrastructure to connect every cell in the city so everything would still be accessible by car, but each cell that got connected made the total number of cars plummet and get replaced by mostly pedestrians and cyclists. It also allowed the removal of many service buildings because a service in one cell suddenly covered a lot more ground trough a high-speed underground road network with essentially no traffic on it. Eventually the entirety of Bestagon-city was basically free of private car traffic, and it just worked.

Water physics are so weird or nonexistent in this game. Why couldn't they just copy the physics from CS 1?

Of course they are. But did you know that in Dwarf Fortress you can cut actual gems in a hexagonal pattern? It's Dwarfcember, Matt. Please play DF. You will have a lot of !!FUN!! with the bridges, mechanisms, traps and other ways you can deal with the architects. And then, you can get to the circus to see some clowns and get the cotton candy.

I would love to see this done at different leveled cells with tunnels joining each cell from the center triangles. Also you are making me want this game

I did hexagons, with a smaller hexagon inside, but then broke the inside down to random streets. Some in a grid layout, some as a cul de sac, but I avoided roads that go straight through a hexagon. I also avoided to seperate zones via hexagons. Commercial zones were always at the outer edge of the hexagons with residental zones more to the center. It worked so well, it was almost boring.

i really wish there was a polygonal/circular road tool like the grid one, just straight centerpoint and radius clicks like in CAD.

2:28 Believe it or not, there is a name for this shape; it's called a Triangulohexagonal Prism. This shape comprises a hexagon with six triangular faces inside it, resulting in a prism-like structure with an inner arrangement of triangles within the hexagonal boundary. You learn something new everyday. Keep up that great uploads!

there should 100% be an engitopia II

It would have been interesting to use a smaller hexagon inside your hexagons with sides of length 256, with the two positioned exactly the same. Perhaps use a length of half the size and then connect each corners of the larger hexagon using roads to the corners of the smaller one. This would have given you more room to build things in the middle of the hexagon. Having roads cross the hexagon from one corner to the opposing corner to create triangles created a lot of unbuildable space in the middle. If you needed a larger space to build something like the cemetery then the inner hexagon could be expanded until it fits. Another option would be instead of having a bunch of hexagons, start with a hexagon with 500m sides and you are only allowed to build smaller or larger hexagons centred on the same spot and positioned the same way, connected only at the corners or 2km spacing (for later on). The sides of each hexagon are a specific difference in length from one to the next. The value would be set so there would not be much empty space between the hexagon rings.

Every time Matt starts a new city, "Oh I forgot about services"

I do think larger hexagons would have been beneficial. Some spreadsheets of various building sizes would have been useful. They look great though. Love the look of it. France would love this design.

Hexagon are bestagons, but yours might be a bit small, a suggestion to use the largest placeable building with full expansion as reference this way you are guaranteed to have room in each hexagon, this also gives you enough room to fit all three types of roads easier?

Make the internal roads one way so then the center intersection is really just a 3 way

New alcoholic game: Take a shot every time Matt says commercial pointing at industries 😂

now we're talking! Certainly better than mere triangles or squares visualy. ever since hexx-a-gone computer game in 90s i always thought it'd be nice to have more of them everywhere, than i watched reruns of ToS and saw that one planet with hexagonal grids.... and well glad someone makes it in city builder competently.

The hexagons make me think of Surviving Mars, each little triangle is a specific thing.

I had the same idea a while ago, but I used culdesacs inside the hexagons, with one road leading inside and a second hexagon of road there. Never had any issues with traffic, even way into the lategame

engineer: "oh no, i didn't think this through!" urban designers: "yeah, we know"

Day 2 of waiting for Matt to upload Mindustry Part 3. FFOTD: The most powerful pump in the game is the Impulse Pump, needing a 3 by 3 area to build (in water) and it requires 78 power units per second, the storage of the pump itself is 40 liquid uints, and when it outputs, it releases 118.8 liquid units per second.

I actually love this city layout I would like to see you complete this city. Max it out

Wonder if he ever played Surviving Mars? Because that was based on hexagons/triangles; I was just sitting there wondering why I was envisioning having triangle parks to make people happy.

I did something similar, but instead of tiling the interiors with triangles, I made smaller hexagons inside of the larger hexagons and connected them along two opposite flat sides with one way roads. (For example a one way into the smaller hex from the bottom, and then out from the smaller one at the top.)

This entire city was incredibly satisfying. Hexagons are indeed the bestagons.

Hexagons are always the bestagons. CGP Grey taught me that. 😭

I'm loving these videos!!! And your content in general! Can't wait to see more

I wish they would fix the dams in this game. I really want a functional hydroelectric dam but they just don't work right

You say it's weird to have a crematorium surrounded by shops, but in the town where I went to high school there is a funeral home wedged between a hardware store and an auction house, across the street from a mechanic's shop, which is next to a pharmacy that is attached to a restaurant.

You should do a grid city with cross junctions just using the grid tool

Be interesting to see variations of this. Like a quilting pattern like thibg with a square to start then hexagons on each side and so on. Or see which many sided shapes best use the triangle subdivisions, and at which point is it better to use kites or other shapes

Hexagon is one of my fav layouts in Cities Skylines 1. What's really fun to do is make a raised pedestrian path hexagon grid with corners in the center of the ground-level hexagons. Looks cool & reduces traffic from crossings. Requires anarchy

I honestly feel like bigger hexagons would work better and help not have to delete as many on the inside. I would however change the inside grids on some of them just to make more fluid roadways

My father is currently making a city that looks exactly like this, and I’m starting to think this is where he got the idea from

"Look at that junction, that is absolute carnage!" Reminder that an intersection with up to 17 roads have been proven possible. Once the angle between 2 roads reaches around 20° or less, the roads start merging, but if you stay above 20°, you can go absolutely wild.

I tried a different way of using hexagons to maximise the 3 way intersections, long roads and cul de sacs. So 4 long roads equidistant appart. The two outer roads connect with each other at both ends forming the shorter 4 roads of the elongated hexagon. The two inside long roads are cul de sacs. The connections are from a parallel diagonal running to one of the short sides. So say the centre right road would go to the top left short side and the centre left road to the short right side. Both connect at 120 degrees forming a T junction. Allows you to put long hexagons one after the other with minimal junctions and maximise space use with minimal roads. Commerce and industries can sit on the top and bottom of the long hexagon. You can even vary the length for the requirements of the city.

The logo is also hexagon Cgp grey would be proud

PLEASE CONTINUE ENGITOPIA ONE. Ive been asking for over a month

"Let's just see what happens". That seems like the moto of almost every game developing company

Love of the shot of him describing the town as spectacular, as you see the dam flooding in the distance!

Love you RCE

I know we have the "very efficient shape" bit in Engitopia, but what if the whole city was made with "very efficient shapes", could it be better than a hexagonal city?

I built haxagons at 256m using a parallel road tool and pedestrian small streets. This made concentric hexies with a fun pattern of mosaic repeating hexagons everywhere. Super fun design. Connected the edges. The only thing I don't like are the 6-way intersections. I installed traffic circles everywhere and it seems to help a ton with traffic. I love hexagons. Names the city Hexagonia.

Sweet. I actually tried hexagonal cities in C:S1, and it worked out pretty well. Except for some modifications I had to make for highway access, because the hearses kept getting stranded in highway traffic.

Hey RCE, i really like the videos that you make and christmas will mark one year of me watching your channel. Could you please fullfill this unsusual request: Start your next video with "Hello there, RCE here" :) It would make my -day- -week- -month- year :D PS. Merry christmas!

The best video idea is him doing a city that's a rectangle

Love the videos and keep it up! Always fun and great content!

Please continue this idea, I love it so much!

day 1 of asking Matt to play Frostpunk…

Official Day 1 of asking for a CS2 series where Matt picks a real life city at random to recreate in game.

That insane junction at the beginning, I used to live in one with 8 semi-principal streets. (there was an accident once a week)

That made one heck of a sledding hill between those two schools. Killer.

can we appreciate how rce never fails to make a good CS:2 video

First 10 seconds

Oddly enough I found out randomly that there's an entire section of Casablanca Morocco with the streets laid out in hexagons called Hay Assalama.

I tried a hexagon city with 7 hexagons in one super block hexagon it worked pretty good.

I liked my one comment

Probably first

This may actually be viable. With the wonky way the hexagons let you zone in you get plenty of unzoned space for decorating with greenery so people would like to live here. Add in roundabouts in middle of each hexagon for sanity sake and tweak the dam a little bit and I would say this is a great project. Lots of access with lots of options for work and modes of transportation as city grows. What worries me is upgrading buildings as they may cut into existing roads and parking spaces. I hope you continue with this build in the future.

Matt, the dam holds back water like a bridge holds up cars. Make the arch supporting the weight of the water upstream and you won't look like an architect!

11:40 I see the strongest shape made up of the best shapes, which is made up of the second strongest shape.

14:11 my grandpa once stopped in the middle of a busy intersection like that, cause my grandma was constantly nagging him about the route he was taking. I begged him to move the car it was so scary.

I think the belgian A15a streetsign really would be the perfect sign for Engitwopia's sky city! It's a streetsign that makes perfect use of the perfect shape.

Love the CGP Grey reference! Hexagons are the bestagons!

Grand Ave in Phoenix Arizona has multiple 6-way intersections! And it's even more complicated because 2 are at 90⁰ and one is at 45⁰

You should enlarge the hexagons using wider roads, then make another smaller hexagon inside but now using narrow roads. That way, big bulding like cemetery would still fit inside a big hexagon, you only need to tweak the narrow roads inside a little bit

I am calling for a follow-up, where you install the public transport you spoke of (Trams, presumably). Wanna see, how that works.

I kind of like octagons for this because it's basically just a truncated block like what we're used to but with extra spaces in the corners

Hexagons are the bestagons. Though the occasional half-hexagon would be good for main roads in a city.

11:45 I see the strongest shape of them all. Also Hexagons should be bigger, so services fit in the triangles.

2:12 reminds me of paris 😂😂 love those intersections lol

Sooo many STRONG Shapes in this video. Be careful, it might break the Y-Tube. Great Video and little Fun fact if i remember correctly, New York could have ended up in a Hexacon roadmap but it fail in the last steps. That would be wild.

Lmao was literally thinking of trying something like this.. but I haven't had the chance to figure out the size of the bestagon

Now he needs to make a tessellation involving hexagons and triangles

Hexagons are geometric wonders that seamlessly blend symmetry and efficiency, captivating the discerning eye with their six equal sides and angles. Nature itself has long recognized their brilliance, employing hexagonal patterns in structures such as honeycombs and the basalt columns of the Giant's Causeway. Beyond their aesthetic allure, hexagons possess a unique mathematical elegance; they maximize area while minimizing perimeter, making them a testament to the inherent harmony between form and function. From the microscopic world of molecular structures to the grandeur of celestial bodies, hexagons manifest as an enduring testament to the inherent beauty embedded in the fabric of our mathematical universe.

6:58 in the town i live in we have a crematorium right next to the biggest high-school and right on a major road with a bunch of fast food places, salons, ect. And if you follow the road far enough you get to(one if the) Walmart. So it isn’t that weird

Thats cool, I may do something like that for my residential area's, but I can't see it being good for heavy traffic though lol

You need to post Cities Skylines videos more often, I can't sleep without them, I'm serious 😂

@2:14 Is it just me or does it create some kind of a star when this youtuber puts the roundabout on the ground at this point of the video? o.O I might be seeing things.

"Architects thats who" has me on the ground

Hexagons can get kind of wild with terrain, just a meter's drift here or there and suddenly that neighborhood over there looks like a collapsing house of cards

Love this bro kept it up.

Hexagons are the bestagons!

It doesn't really matter. All that matters, is that you follow two things... Road hierarchy, and to have as few 4-way intersections and/or left turns as possible. Preferably, as few actual intersections at all as possible...using roundabouts and small interchanges whenever possible. The key is to avoid cross-traffic at almost any cost. Stick to those two things, make sure there's always clear routes to everywhere anyone could possibly go, from anywhere anyone could possibly be, and that all commercial and service traffic goes in a clean loop at all times...and there should never be any trouble. It's tricky to layout, but I prefer rhomitrihexagonal tesselation as a pattern for everything. The resulting overlapping rings are actually pretty huge at the scale I build them, and I make almost all intersections into roundabouts or interchanges, depending on how many roads connect. For road hierarchy, I make essentially every other geometric ring "arterial," and they're almost always made of highways. The ones overlapping them are "collectors," and are usually just the two-lane highways to prevent zoning. The ones overlapping all of them are the "local" roads and are just regular roads of varying sizes. I break connections between them where necessary to maintain the proper hierarchy. Nearly all of them, except for a handful of very short local roads that are otherwise dead-ends, are also all one-way.

I am on quest for best layout too. Current working theory: New Jersey? One way streets only, no left turns, no red lights (just yield), jughandles. And using bus lanes or lane width changes to force traffic to recalculate what lane to be in, occasionally...

Having watched a video where hexagons were described as great for traffic as the only intersections were three road junctions, this has me triggered to see the hexagons divided into little triangles with all those junctions. Oh well I will have to get the game and do it myself one day. Entertaining video though.

I'd like you to continue this city!

you should keep doing this one