Yeah, these two people are not terribly informed about this particular incident and Dr. Lundberg may be a good or fair scientist but he's not explaining any of this very well.
If you support this ignorance of a bio man beating on woman you have issues ..shame on that trans doing this knowing full well.who the winner would be..she said she never been hit so hard in her life
@@jodavis650I just made this point to a troon on twitter and they replied with a video of Carini falling over in a fight apparently without being touched. The implication being she’s not very tough. So these people will disregard what women say because they enjoy watching them get hit by men
Why? You do realize that it is women who are the primary supporters and driving force when it comes to gender theory trans-ideology, right? If women stopped supporting this today the problem would be gone by next week.
I'd usually disagree as women have been doing this and it's just been career ending for them. But if every female boxer in the Olympics now follows Carini's lead, we may see a change.
I boxed to a high level and moved on to training A few professional women boxers might occasionally spar with a man But the guy would act as a defence, never attack, that would never happen Man on man sparring is very different.
I agree. If all Olympic women athletes united and refused to compete against men in female sports, it would send a powerful message. They need to stand together. Let the man have the medal; it's a hollow victory.
Uhhh then that's a freak accident - played volleyball all through high school and Mixed volleyball is crazy common - Men and Women play together alllll the time so playing with someone who is trans is not an inherent danger in anyway.
@@DiegoRivera-ll8jy THATS NOT WHAT WAS BEING PLAYED WHEN THIS HAPPENED AT THE COMPETITION LEVEL!!! Honestly, check your reading comprehension next time and for f sake stop shouting at everyone..
Our Italian boxer explained that the reason for quitting was that she had never been hit so hard in all her boxing career and feared for her safety. I think that the IOC should be ashamed of themselves, that the Algerian boxer is a cheat because is knowingly taking an unfair advantage, and all the other women facing this boxer should boycott their fights. It is a disgrace that a woman athlete has to train hard for years to go to the Olympics only to be beaten up by what is very obviously a man. We Italians are very proud of our athlete for her courage.
era triste vedere quella ragazza piangere sul ring ... and now, to celebrate exclusive inclusivity, we all hold hands, dance and listen to Francis Aaron's song
Yes 🙌 I have to agree with you!! How sad times are gone , so now a man can decide he is a women, and then change from boxing men , to boxing women 😔 This is Not Right ! No matter the story of us being told at birth they thought HE was a girl , I do not believe this ! At puberty the parents didn’t wounder 🤔 how come she is not getting her period… Menstrual cycle to be clear! And it’s also very clear to see , She / HE has absolutely no breasts , and yes most women boxers / athletes don’t have big breasts , but we can see they have some kind of Shape, Again We Clearly see HE doesn’t! This is so wrong, Babies are born , Male or Female! God created us all , to be Male or Female, this world 🌍 is gone crazy, and I do not agree with this Transgender Sh!T I’m Irish ☘️ and we are very proud of Kellie 🇮🇪 🥊 As you should be too of your female fighter , who has fought in the olympics , but sadly she was cheated 😔
Perhaps the IOC should be ashamed of themselves. However, since the definition of cheating is breaking the rules, I would argue the Italian boxer's opponent was not cheating.
Angela never said that she feared for her life, the 37 boxers already met in the ring by the Algerian boxer did not have any injuries. Imane Khalif said in an interview yesterday that Angela often met during joint training camps in Italy in Assisi. The Italian boxer told the Italian press that she apologized for her behavior towards Iman and decided to retire from the sport
Are you trying to cancel people? Typical. The Algerian boxer has lost before. She is anatomically a woman. She is not trans. The Italian boxer was just a very bad boxer.
they need to go directly to jail to permit that XY fights XX, these XYs had created a lot of damage to the XX they had fought with in non-fair and coward fights.
It's disgusting that people put this woke ideology of hate in higher regard than the safety of these poor women who spent their lives preparing themselves to be Olympians
Why put those men in women's sports? Let's turn them into gladiators like back in the days. Seems like they don't care about those athletes lives anyways?
It’s not complex at all. We solved this problem about a hundred years ago when we created separate categories of sport for men and women. Then the world lost what passes for its collective mind, and now we have to pretend there wasn’t a very good reason for the separation.
@@Zekzak-w3k That is a lie. Transgender ism is .02% or less. One or 2% of the population is intersex? Bullshit. Where’s your documentation? Less than 4% of the population is homosexual. Intersex is extremely rare. More rare than even transgender. You’re full of it! Prove it.
@@Zekzak-w3k the intersex defense is so tired and illogical. Intersex people have a clear developmental abnormality - like have six fingers or toes. It doesn't change that human hands have five fingers and human feet have five toes. The existence of intersex people does not complicate or challenge the fact that sex is clearly a binary. Do biologists and doctors suddenly need to allow for "nuance" here? No, it's plainly ridiculous. It's bizarre that we need to struggle with plainly observable facts. You can get linguistic and start a gender vs. sex debate like most on the internet do, but that too is just a distraction from confronting the painfully obvious statement of the original comment.
I must state the characterization that Florence Reed of Angele tossing the match is a grotesque description of what happened. The match started and Angela received 2 punches to the face and head, she declared that when she was punched in the nose it broke her nose. Also another mexican female boxer that fought recently against Khalif said she never had been punched like that in her career. Simply saying that an athlete that trained her life to compete in the Olympics showed up and tossed the match is a particularly shameful description of the facts
I think what she's pointing to is the fact that it's combat sports, which already include the possibility of extreme injury, often resultant from an opponent with physical advantages. I think the question of intersex people is more nuanced and difficult than in the case of trans people.
@@James-wy6qunot in this case. This intersex condition means they have ambiguous genetalia usually interpreted as female and it's not until they go through male puberty that the intersex condition is seen. They are male in every way that matters. Muscle structure, lung capacity, bone density, strength and heart size, all the things that give men advantages over women
What I want to know about these blokes who beat women in sport, what goes through their minds when they go home after their 'victories'? What do they think of themselves?
Tommy Lundberg made the defining statement at 19:20: "You cannot reach full inclusion and set fair and safe competition at the same time." The IOC has prioritized inclusion over fair and safe competition. It has chosen unfair and unsafe competition to please the diversity crowd.
They are silenced by their governing bodies. To put their heads above the parapet would risk their sporting carreers. That's why it is important for retired sports people like Sharon Davis to campaign against this injustice and the rest of us as well.
It's now up to the female boxers to boycott bouts with this man. Let him stand on the podium by himself. The gold medal will mean absolutely nothing and hopefully embarrass the IOC forever.
@@blove142 “According to International Boxing Association (IBA) president Umar Kremlev, DNA testing of Khelif and other athletes "proved they had XY chromosomes and were thus excluded from the sports events".
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@@koakamakaand what about weight classes in these cases? The Algerian looks MUCH bigger than her opponent
& getting worse exponentially. Sam Harris said 2 years ago this woke nonsense would all have blown over by last year in that infamous Triggernometry TDS interview & I expressly informed him in the comments section that there was absolutely no chance that he was correct on that one.
She's not a man. She's a biological female. There is no proof that she is a man. Stop spreading lies. What kind of country do you think Algeria is. You think Algeria would allow a transgender man to represent Algeria. Algeria ain't France.
As a small man who played football and hockey there comes a time when playing either sport becomes a danger to my physical well being so I quit. But a woman against a man that is insane on so many levels. And I would call it something else.
So do we set a strength level that women arent allowed to pass? Im telling you, allow low blows and ban cups in womens boxing. Itll sort out any cheats pretty quick.
You are sick, your Western sick debates do not even arise in Algeria, when a baby is born after verification by the doctor it is declared male or female and end of the story, when she grew up and had a hormonal disease that's another debate it's not that faults if nature gave him a physical advantage and too much testosterone.
You are sick, your Western sick debates do not even arise in Algeria, when a baby is born after verification by the doctor it is declared male or female and end of the story, when she grew up and had a hormonal disease that's another debate it's not that faults if nature gave him a physical advantage and too much testosterone.
In the US the girl that was hit in the face by a volleyball spiked by a trans player when she was 17 is still having physical and mental problems today. Her life was completely changed by this.
@@reinerbraun9995 You just want clicks….. cute Imane Khelif who tested positive for XY chromosomes just won another match 5-0 after beating up a woman. Anna Luca Hamori, a female boxer, was punched in the face numerous times and pushed to the ground.
Thank goodness people are speaking about this issue. The South African runner Caster Semanya is 100% male, as is this boxer who just battered a female opponent. Semnanya was born with a rare birth defect called DSD 46XY 5-ARD (5 alpha reductase deficiency - a condition that only males can have. This condition causes malformed genitalia, that resemble a vagina at birth, but with male testes that remain inside the body, where they function normally and produce male levels of testosterone. A male with malformed primary sex organs is not a female. That is why Semanya is banned. That is why this boxer must be banned. It is not a grey area. It is not about 'gender.' It is about the safety and fairness to which all female athletes are entitled.
Riley Gains (swimmer) spoke up about Lia Thomas (a man) and has death threats every day and more. So we must hope all sports women would start speaking out. As long as they stay silent it's complicity. In fact ALL women should speak out. XY chromosomes means you have genetically male physique, ie stronger, faster, etc.
Carini's tears of frustration provoked deep feminist rage in me today. I played rugby and did Muay Thai and people with XY chromosomes have no business competing with women at any level.
Except you may have played rugby with someone with XY chromosomes and never known it. Heck you may have showered next to them and never known it. Intersex people can have genitals that appear female.
Carini should have absolutely refused to apologize, she did nothing wrong 😤 it's like gaslighting, utter BS. They all knew in advance about the condition of the two athletes, the Olympics have become an absolute disgusting scene. 🇮🇹
15:52 There aren't going to be athletes at the Olympics whose cheek swabs shockingly inform them that they're actually men. That would have become obvious when they don't start menstruating. It's not a human right to be an elite athlete. If a man with a DSD can't hack it with the rest of the men he can play in the amateur leagues.
@@stapedium a delay is more common in gymnasts but it's not most, and it's only a few years' delay. Besides, the minimum age for gymnasts is 16, and if you don't start menstruating by the time you're 15-16 you get tested to see if there isn't some medical issue causing it, so any DSD would be revealed then.
Ones upon a time phrenology was a university discipline, I have a vague suspicion that gender studies and adjacent studies should be regarded with the same esteem.
Good point. These new ""disciplines" have caused more harm than good. We are seeing the result: women are loosing rights that were hard earned. Quoting Angela Carini, "It's NOT fair"
Yes indeed. I can tell you that many Professors of sociology have problems with biology and "hard science" except when they require medical treatment and chose to fly in an aeroplane, for example..
Societies that promote Gender Studies are all dying economically and with very low birth rates. More than 1/2 births in the US are to unmarried women and the birth rate is so low that many more elderly die every day than babies born. And the greatest factor in a child thriving is if it has two parents. 83% of people in prison grew up in a single parent household. 90% of homeless grew up with a single parent. And 2/3rds of those babies that are born will not will never marry so within 2 generations the majority of people living on the region called the USA will not be born in the US, As a society it grew quickly and will have died out in just 3-4 generations, So it is not wise for the world to allow one dysfunctional society define public policy for the entire world. But any country that disobeys is attacked. No living person in the world was alive who saw even one day when the US was not attacking another country and none of those countries did anything to the US. Not exactly a good role model for a success to emulate and this 67 gender take over of society is a US invention.
This issue really ISN'T 'complex': a miniscule minority of male athletes have total testosterone insensitivity, and so being male doesn't give them the same advantage as other males. In every other instance where those with a y chromosome are allowed to compete in the female category, it is because the sporting body concerned has chosen to prioritise the feelings of male athletes over fairness for females. They have chosen to compromise the integrity of female sport, something they don't do to male sport, because they take it and men far too seriously to do so. These people would never expect a featherweight male boxer to fight a bantam weight male boxer, yet they're happy to watch a male boxer beat a female boxer to a pulp. The obvious misogyny underlying all of this is disgusting, particularly when it comes from people who self-identify as 'kind feminists'. Have I left anything out?
Ok, based on the opinions here, (which I agree with btw) based on this, women fighting alongside men on the front lines are a liability to the the men right? An all male army is more effective on the front lines than a mixed gender army front line right? Essentially, based on this outrage and difference in physical strength between the genders, women should not be allowed to fight along side men on the front line because they are significantly physically weaker right? I would be interested to hear opinions on this.
@@mrbmro3991Im not against women fighting in the army. I am against this though. This guy is far bigger than the woman for a start. It's not a fair fight.
@mrbrmro3991 way back when, a tribe wouldn't want its women on war parties because, if a tribe loses say 50% of its women they might well die out. But it could afford to lose 50% of its males and still breed back to fighting strength. Put simply, men are comparatively expendable. Women on the front lines of a modern army, while I'm not against the idea as an idea, can be troublesome purely because even a very fit, strong female would have trouble lifting and carrying an injured male comrade and their gear. Hence it's always going to be an issue, not for any other reason than one of physical strength. My own opinion, I know it's a bit old fashioned, is that men have a duty to protect women, do the dirty jobs and the heavy lifting. Some of my lady friends don't agree, and I can see why, but most do. I certainly don't think anyone with male characteristics should be punching a woman in the face, I find it really upsetting.
@@garyrobinson8665 hold on, how is being on the front line ok, when being on the front line is 10x way more demanding and it's life and death. Why are you ok for women to be on the front line? What do they add? Can you see the point I'm making here? Your same concerns for a woman in boxing a man also apply to the frontline fighting along side a man and fighting against a man right? So what's the difference?
it's not gender theory. it is gender confusion. Gender does not need a theory. It is clear-cut and obvious. Fathers this is an attack on your daughters. You'd better stand up with them.
@@tonidantonio9877 Have you actually watched the match yourself? I watched the whole 46 seconds and no moment in it suggested that it would be a one-sided match. Carini took one or two jabs at her face and that's it. It was Carini who was the bad boxer finding excuses. In fact Carini did landed a few punches on Khelif.
Hopefully, all the rest of the women will refuse to fight against this man. The IOC need to be shamed and taken to court for encouraging and enabling men to physically assault women
We've heard it before! The intersex issue isn't the problem. Its grown men competing as women. I don't understand how legal beagles get al, have maligned themselves with a lie and taken it this far.
Which dad was it? Something noticeable at birth I imagine? When my nephew was in NICU after birth there was a child in the next cot who was born ambiguous. I don't know what he/she has. Only overheard a bit through the curtains.
Angelea said post-fight that she'd never been hit that hard before her fight with Imane, the Mexican who fought the Angela said he hit harder than any of her male sparring partner, Angela screamed in the round, "This isn't fair!"...people just ignoring the obvious of what the two women experienced in the round..
Just because you identify as a woman and raised as one doesn't make you a woman. There's a difference between being butch and being a biological male (XY chromosome). This is absolutely ridiculous...how is this a fair fight? This is Olympics legalizing physical abuse against women. I can't believe some people are blaming the victim, saying that she's just weak and unprepared. Will someone who's entered the Olympics (after all the effort leading up to this) just give up without a fight? It doesn't make sense unless what she claims is true. She's never been hit that hard! Look at Khelif...can you honestly say that she's a woman? Sometimes we need to use a little common sense. And...genes don't lie!!! I know this situation is complicated, but facts and facts. You are entitlted to your own opinion, but this is not even a matter of whether she qualifies to be in the Women's Category or not. This is a matter of physical safety. I've fought against men myself (I mean it was in the heat of the moment), and, let me tell you, it's no joke. Like I could've gotten seriously hurt. And this is a professional boxer! P.S. I've listened to arguments from both sides, done a bit of research on DSD, and even looked at pictures from "her" childhood before making this statement.
Every comment I've made about this precise event has ended with my comments being immediately struck as "hate speech" leading to my comments being blocked for extended periods of time. Why are we, the people, being denied speaking about this?! 1984 anyone?!
Passport : A passport is an ID , an identification , IDENTIFICATION . AN ID is meant to identify who you are , not who you want to be in your fantasies . What sort of idiocy , what kind of joke is this ? Are we meant to go crazy ?
Compete in abnormal human beings group. They can identify themselves as a man, a woman, a cat or a dog. All can compete in the same group without sex discrimination.
The Algerian regime is like the cuban regime. Algeria is governed by it's army (with a civilian figure), and has many antecedents of the kind. TQhe algerian authorities has so much ease to make officialy modified passeports and documents; the last case was revealed by spain about an activist called "ibrahim ghali" renamed "benbatouch" in a new passeport made in purpose by the algerian officials. There a video in arab where khelif speaks about his childhood in masculine words, like "we were boys like others" and many other descriptions as a boy.
All Olympic athletes took the same test for decades to prove they were male or female just the same as the boxing association that found these two athletes to be male. IOC abandoned this testing for some reason.
This debate is unnecessary because the fight was clearly and undoubtedly unfair. It is only an examplary case to bring foward the woke agenda. This time people are upset, next time they are used to.
In boxing and martial arts there is a danger to the opposite!! While in running contests you can say "No fair!" But in boxing you could kill a girl! Don't! I was a mere yellow belt in a Japanese tournament ( winner continues) until I had to fight a small, black belt girl! She jumped on my arm to overstretch it and I just lifted her whole body on my arm! Technically she was way advanced, but physically I was superior bc of my weight and strength! That was judo, it will be different in karate, kung fu and such but if my punch or kick is 1.6 times more powerful... Just don't do it!
In Algeria, the country that Khelif represents, transgender identity is prohibited, changing gender or sex on identity documents is not permitted, nor are medical or hormonal treatments allowed to transition to another sex.
That doesn't work. It was tried in swimming and nobody entered. The whole point is that they want to be accepted as women, so they can compete against women and win. They're not interested in compromise. We're witnessing an ideology trying to take over. This is just one aspect of it.
A karyotype is like any other medical test. There can be cases where its tough to tell if a chromosome is an X or a Y. Thats why track and field use testosterone levels. Thats what really matters for performance advantage.
@@stapedium I'm by no means an expert on this, but didn't the scientist being interviewed just indicate that the key 'difference maker' is whether an individual undergoes male puberty (i.e., regardless of individual variation in hormone levels ... male puberty is the key factor)?
@@BlunderCity Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. All we know is that the circumstance 'might' be dangerous for XX females... Still, I would not allow a child to play with a gun that 'might' be loaded... I would take action to determine the definitive status of said gun. People die in boxing.
It's a coward.can,t beat a man,so HE gets in the ring to beat up a woman.. I'm really proud of this Italian GIRL.the world should protest this and stand beside this girl.she should get the gold.. I'm Canadian and proud of you🌹🌹🌹
Biological male defeats female boxer in 46 seconds!!!!!!!!! This is very dangerous for real women. So now its not abuse when men beat on women, its a spectator sport?????
Latest reports seem to suggest that both boxers were misidentified as female at birth due to having ambiguous genitalia caused by DSDs. If this is true then both may be XY males and have experienced male puberty. This does not appear to be a trans issue, nor is it the fault of the boxers
11:30 One thing I wish more commentators would do is quantify the _extent_ of the difference. Because studies comparing male and female athletes found an over 2x advantage for males in performance in upper body strength outcomes (e.g. the amount a person can deadlift, or bench press). Even if you adjust for lean body mass (which obscures things a bit, because even amongst athletes men are generally larger with more muscle, but whatever), male athletes have advantages. Which are especially notable in elite sport where tiny absolute differences had decide who wins a medal.
@@laurykristensen6239people can be XX (de la Chapelle syndrome and others) with a penis or XY (Swayer syndrome and others) with a vagina. NOT the transgender reconstructed plastic surgery kind.
You cannot teach a fish to climb a tree, yet we live in a society that encourages the fish to try and we award the fish a certificate for effort. Tommy almost said it but held back; sometimes we just have to say to athletes (or fish) this is not the activity for you. A win under false pretences is not a win for anybody, except perhaps mental health specialists down the line.
ENOUGH! We have discussed this to death. The trans activist community has failed to make a convincing and compelling case as to why the world should take seriously the notion that men should be allowed to compete against women in the sporting arena. This nonsense scenario where a female is misidentified as a male because of a condition that effects 1 in a million is overthink, and has become quite tiresome.
Are men boxing against women? I don't think so. Back in the day we didn't call that boxing. We called it domestic violence. But that was a long time ago -- like, three years ago or something.
Or how about men compete against men. Fake women are just take. Fake. They are still men. This is just stupidity. Who is going to fund a dedicated category and prize money for a specific group? Just because they don't want to play by the rules? And where does it stop? Male female exist because literally 50% of the population is one or the other. Having a category for 1% is beyond stupid
Since the entire internet has ran with the idea that this was a transgender athlete when they were biologically female it seems we do need a 20 minutes talking about it.
@@GingerblazeHer medical condition isn’t released. All we know is that her DNA-test from last year says she has XY chromosomes. What type of DSD she has is unknown.
Sometimes things that are "obvious" are also wrong. Sports bodies have hundreds of pages of rules because there are special cases which are not obvious.
I think that one of these male boxers that are hitting women will be asked to throw a fight against a woman to make it look acceptable for them to be classed as a woman. Otherwise, there will be two males in the final and it will look obviously wrong.
I think Flo's comment that these boxers aren't likely to do well if they fight against men is not a good reason for allowing them to fight women. They have male physiology, so if they train hard enough they should be able to fight at the same level as other males.
If a person is ‘intersex’ a) why do they feel the need to be an athlete? Why not be an accountant for instance? b) why don’t they compete in the male sports competitions? I wonder.
Sorry but in both situations its men in womens sports and its not fair. A Trans person in a woman sport is incredibly unfair to the woman. With a XY DSD person especially if they have gone through male puberty they are better than the women because of the advantages from XY chromosomes regardless of if they have female on their Birth Certificate or view themselves as a women. Inclusion shouldn't be at the disadvantage and safety of women, even for XY DSD people.
Ok, based on the opinions here, (which I agree with btw) based on this, women fighting alongside men on the front lines are a liability to the the men right? An all male army is more effective on the front lines than a mixed gender army front line right? Essentially, based on this outrage and difference in physical strength between the genders, women should not be allowed to fight along side men on the front line because they are significantly physically weaker right? I would be interested to hear opinions on this.
The Olympics is literally nothing but genetic unfairness. Virtually every event features people with genetics that massively separate themselves from the general populace.
This is so sad what happened, and should have never happened! No matter what story we get told of HIS birth, believing he was a Girl , his Parents would have known by Puberty that She / HE was not getting his Monthly Menstrual Cycle.. and I’ve also sure the More he Grew Up They would have Noticed Male Genitalia . Or am I missing something 🤔🤔🤔 So we are in times that a Man can Decide that Now they want to Box Against Women and Tell Everyone That They Are now a woman/ Transgender Or that they were raised as a Female 😒 God Made Female and Male, this world is gone Crazy ! I’m Irish ☘️ and we are so Proud of Kellie 🇮🇪🥊 I am just so sorry for this Real Woman who had Trained so Hard, and Had to Fight A MAN ! Shattering Her Dreams as a Olympic Boxer 😔 I wish her well in her future ❤️🥊🙏🙏🙏😔🙏🙏🙏🙏
🌸 I once saw documentary on some beings born with both male and female parts Some had more % of other and some had sort equal parts. Some looked like other either male or female but their internal code makeup was opposite to how they look. Putting technical terminology will make youTub delete my comment sad but true All I know is I watched documentary where some parents raised little girls and as they aged it became more male When they had them tested it turns out they were male Now you can’t have this particular individual competing against a single sex organic being who doesn’t have the advantages and strength of other due to it not being a fair fight If I took two robots one bigger than other, I label it A Had smaller robot label it B Then took them both to battle and changed labels of both to B is that right and fair ? I know what I saw on that documentary and some are called hermaphrodites
Carini abandoned the fight so she wouldn't get injured. She said: 'I've never been hit that hard before'. Of course not, she never went up against a man before. In my world, men aren't supposed to hit women. Why should the Olympics ne any different. I hope they are still doing drug tests at the Olympics.
The Italian boxer said that she had intense pain in her nose from the first punch, and after the second punch she could not breathe. Clearly, she made the right decision so end the fight at that time. The genetically male Algerian and Taiwanese boxers who fight as "female" are ruining the games.
