They say genitals don’t decide a baby’s sex or gender at birth, but the first thing they want to do is cut the genitals off of children. If it doesn’t matter at birth why does it matter so much later that children are actually getting mutilated. Insanity and Evil. And yes Evil does exist, because of Free Will. Otherwise we would be just preprogrammed robots.
@@imacmill calling people names and avoiding dealing with the issues raised. so strong and persuasive. go back to censoring dissent. perhaps you can build consensus for your beliefs that way again.
@@zendogbreath LOL. You people aren't capable of having a rational discussion about anything. You're all frightened little children that glom on to a host of cultish personalities to tell you that your fears are founded, all while they make big bucks off you. So go buy her book, dopie, and Jordon Peterson's books, and vote Trump while donating to his legal defense. The more money you give, the more likely it is they'll save you from the horrors of the world. Or, more likely, goad you into dragging the country down into a totalitarian, fascist shithole.
I'm a biological anthropologist/bioarchaeologist (paleontologists study dinosaurs, anthropologists/archaeologists study humans and human ancestors) and I have quite literally built my entire career around a specialism in identifying biological sex from osteological remains (bones). This is almost always done visually and with measurements, and approaches 100% accuracy depending on the state of degradation and bone in question. It is rare to determine sex through biomolecular means (ie, dna, etc) because this process is both expensive and destructive to the specimen. I can assure you...as a general rule... It is very easy to tell the difference between male and female skeletons. My research focuses on evidence for females participating in physically violent activities in the human past, so I do believe that (reproductive roles aside) the functions of men and women in a given society are based largely on the rules of said society (as well as any individual physical and sexed biological limitations). To say that there are more than two sexes or that a person is able to change their biological sex is simply a popular modern mythology with zero backing in scientific reality.
@@ChimpingBulldog Thank you for the well wishes - it is a challenge, for sure. Thankfully, I have found ways to continue my research without overly relying on outside grant funding to support it. I do try to keep a low profile and not ruffle feathers, however, preferring to let the facts/data speak for itself. I do my best not to let political or social sentiments influence or color my work and I think this keeps me from being targeted by certain elements of society (thus far at least, fingers crossed that it remains that way going forward).
@@pixiwixThe way it's going, I'm afraid you won't be able to fly under the radar for long. I think at some point, everyone is going to be forced to pick a side and contest the opposing side. To me, it's an easy choice. I'm committed to THE TRUTH and objective reality, whether I find it personally comforting or not. Perhaps just as important, I'm a father of two young girls. I don't want them to be infected by this poisonous ideology and I don't want their future riddled with the social traps associated with the trans cult. I will gladly take on this fight for them so it doesn't become their fight when they're older.
Can I ask you if you'd still be able to tell the sex of a skeleton if a biological female went on puberty blockers and took testosterone for a few years? Would the disruption of her puberty and taking of hormones make her bones appear male? And vice versa?
Jordan Peterson talked to her first and was canceled by RU-vid for it. You’re next Peter if you’re not careful, a fact that, based on your struggle with this conversation, you’re clearly aware of.
@@tajdvl-advocate6113 It's hard to guess what might have come up on the JP episode that she hasn't said in a dozen other interviews. If you search for her on RU-vid, you can even find the incident that all the TRAs claim prove she wants to exterminate them all. That's never been taken down.
Nor an emasculated one. There is a significant difference; we castrate male animals to stop them breeding, but we don’t remove their functioning penis. Eunuchs were castrati. Also: although some religions (notably the worship of Cybele and Attis) employed self-emasculation, with medical help at hand, it was a form of execution back in bad old days.
EVERY FETUS IS FEMALE. THEN MUTATES INTO MALE. NO ONE IS 100% EITHER WAY. EVERY ONE IS A MATTER OF DEGREES. TO SAY THAT GOD, NATURE, INTELLIGENT DESIGN. DRAWS THE LINE AT MISMATCHED BUY ALLOWS EVERYTHING ELSE BABYS ARE BORNED WITH, IS JUST PLAIN STUPID EVIL. TELL MEEE ABOUT DYSLEXIA.
YOU MAY WANT IT TOOBEE THAT WAY TWO FEED YOUR FEAR AND NEED TO HATE, BUT IT IS NOT THAT WAY. SOME PEOPLE ARE BORNED MISMATCHED. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. DARK MINDED PEOPLE WILL FADE AWAY, AS THEY ALL-WAYS DOOO. ALLOWING JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT ON EVERYONE ELSE.
@@realSAPERE_AUDE I meant what I said. There is only one meaning of "man" and only one sense in which one can be a woman. They are very precisely defined terms. A man is an adult human male a woman is an adult human female. That's the ball game.
This was a palate cleanser. Thank you both! I live in Spain and one lefty party has just appointed a transwomen as their LGBT and FEMINISM spokesperson and I am sick of this. The right here won't recognise domestic violence and the left won't recognise women!
She said she wants to 'reduce' the amount of trans people. That's against an adults bodily autonomy. Imagine if she said the same thing about abortion.
@@amberticoomg you commented this everywhere. People say that about abortion All the Time. And it’s quite reasonable. Wanting people to feel comfortable in their bodies and wanting society to accept that sex is real and gender ideology is nonsense, is not being against bodily autonomy.
Jesus I'm sorry they are really trying to kill off feminism, but they would have to kill us feminists too because I am a feminist to the core of my being.
The way Helen ends this with “because they have everything to lose and it’s a fight to the death as far as they’re concerned” and then takes that drink of cool water is everything. What a Queen!
Helen is super brave and super smart. Huge respect to her. It's such a shame that she has been blacklisted by mainstream TV channels, especially the BBC.
All mainstream news channels in the UK are bias : BBC, ITV, C4, Sky all push the one narrative and it’s why alternative news channels should be supported such as Talk TV, GBNews, Spiked, UnHerd etc. You only have to look at who they invite onto these programmes to see where their allegiance falls
If an anorexic female claimed that she was fat, and said that she knew that she was fat at an early age, and that she has felt fat for as long as she can remember, then should society affirm her that she is fat, and force doctors to give her Liposuction ? Or would you recognize that she has a mental illness and lovingly help her to get the psychological help that she clearly needs ?
Utterly boils my blood to know that these things are happening practically kilometers away from me and that this is state funding approved from my tax dollars. It is literally becoming sinful to pay taxes now.
I LOVE that she’s coming out stronger than ever against this nonsense! She used to be more cautious but now she isn’t messing around. She’s right, there is no such thing as “trans”!
Yes, and OP was correct anyways. “There is no such thing as trans,” is the same statement as, “there is no such thing as god.” She means what she said.
Also, there's nothing wrong with supporting transgender rights. Transgender women are women. Nearly all cis women support transgender rights and have no problem with them being in female spaces like changing rooms, shelters, and sports. Transgender women are not going to cause any problems for cis women.
Listening to Helen Joyce is always an absolute delight. She is highly intelligent, witty, and reassuringly down-to-earth. She is EXACTLY the person we need in these crazy times! Thanks so much for this interview!
@@someonelastname8175 yes. at an early age we learn to hate and even express agression towards dangerous things. Policies that allow rapists to make a simple claim in order to get into women's bathrooms and women's prisons without women being allowed so much as to KNOW these men are present, should be hated and aggressively destroyed. There are women in prisons being impregnated by men claiming to be women. Women who were put in cells with rapists and raped at night when no one could help them, and are now forced to birth their rapist's children. These women aren't even informed if the men in their cells have AIDS, and some do. There are women in hospitals, naked, put in beds next to men claiming they're women. Do you want your daughter to be put in a hospital bed next to a man without her even knowing it's a man? Wake. DaFQ. UP.
I agree. Even with the severest of mental delusion, which I don't doubt exists, where someone is convinced they are the opposite sex . they are still under a mental affliction.
Notice how the lefty ideologues shorten it to "trans". They *can't* under any circumstances allow for the possibility that transvestites exist. Nope. If you're "trans", get in line at the clinic and start your transition.
Every time you head the word "trans woman" replace it with man and when you see the word "turf" change it to woman. You'll start noticing loads of misogyny towards us.
Helen's last statements about parents gave me chills. She is 100% right, these parents that butchered their young child will fight to the end and will keep this social contagion alive forever.
Currently coming to the end of Helen's book -Trans on audible. She's so clear, concise and articulate. I find it absolutely ridiculous that she's been blacklisted by the main British media channels and is described as hateful. Positive intelligent role models for women are disparaged and condemned. Thank you for elevating her voice.
She said she wants to 'reduce' the amount of trans people. That's against an adults bodily autonomy. Imagine if she said the same thing about abortion.
@@ambertico I think you're misrepresenting what Helen has said she hasn't said anything about taking away peoples bodily autonomy. I think reducing the amount of abortions is a good thing surely. With education, promoting good sexual healthcare and contraception. Same with embracing gender non-conformity, surely it's a good thing to help people to be less dysphoric about their bodies, reducing the need for invasive operations that remove healthy tissue, sterilising people and making lifelong medical patients. Because at the moment every facet of society is telling our young people that gender ideology is true. When there are many of us who don't subscribe to it and don't have a gender identity.
Helen’s brother, Ed, was my captain as a professional cricketer. The critical thinking skills that he exhibited is something that is clearly a learned family skill. Helen has deeply thought, for years, about this subject and her ability to think about and describe these topics is impressive.
Sorry. I'm Scottish. I don't know anything about cricket except snippets I've learned from listening to HJ! He captained Sussex, didn't he? Did you meet or play with any of her other brothers? It must be a bit odd for her to have this whole family of cricket royalty, quietly working at a magazine that doesn't even have bylines, and then all of a sudden she's the most controversial woman in Britain!
I would debate here are sone questions you accept medical science when it comes to everything else apart from this why. You have in your book an anti semitic conspiracy theory is that irrationality? Your rhetoric has lead to biological women being harassed for not conforming to women physically or even expressing my is thst not immoral
@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs The antisemetic conspiracy theory comment shows you haven't read her book. You're talking about the three men she named as massive donors for this cause extremely wealthy men but they are not all Jewish, that is some racist bullshit someone else thought up and tacked on after without doing any research. If she were going to debate anyone it would be someone who is either high profile or well researched it won't be internet trolls who haven't done a tap of work on the matter.
Her episode was censored because of their discussion about autogynephilia and the prevalence of sexual paraphilia in the population of trans women. That’s strictly forbidden to talk about, because the core truth of the ideology is that a male fetishist is just as much a woman as your dear old grandmother, and because that identity is self described it isn’t falsifiable. They believe AGPs are women, and gender dysphoria is not required. This idea is so bizarre that any normal person would resist, so it has to be concealed at any cost.
@@TallisKeetonit’s the autogynephillia term op used in their comment. It means to be a man who is sexually aroused at the thought of them being/appearing as a woman. As for paraphillia it’s definition is the have se*ual desires that are characterized as abnormal and often include extreme/dangerous activities
"I cannot bear people talking bullshit." Best Line Ever! You just summed up my entire life in a single sentence. I am a 62 year old woman. In elementary school, my classmate, Lisa Onchi, gave me a little Christmas present that was a keychain. On that keychain was a little "plaque" with a picture of Lucy from Peanuts carrying a picket sign that said, "Help Stamp Out Things That Need Stamping Out." I felt as though Lisa literally peered into my soul...in elementary school.
You can not know what it feels like to be the opposite sex, no matter what your brain tells you, therefore you can never say you are in the wrong body.
Yes you can tell the difference between Male and Female Skeletal remains - * A male's skeleton is usually thicker, rougher and appears more bumpy, due to the fact that males have larger muscles and therefore their skeletons require stronger attachment sites. * Males possess a narrow pelvic cavity, broader shoulders, and longer rib cage. * The femur (thigh bone) of a male is thicker than a females. * The male acetabulum has been designed to fit a bigger femur. * The distance between the ischium bones is smaller in males. * The male pelvis is taller (owing to a higher iliac crest), narrower, and more compact. * The female pelvis is larger and broader to allow for childbirth. * The public arch is wide in females and narrow in males.
I think a counter to the "It's kind to go along with their 'gender identity'" would be "It's extremely unkind to coerce people's speech". There's nothing kind about trans ideology, they are also very intolerant.
100%. Trans ideology is TOTALLY focused on "empathy" and "tolerance"... to the extent that they demand that EVERYONE ELSE must be eternally "empathetic" and "tolerant" TOWARDS THEM... But the ideology will NEVER require IT'S OWN ADHERENTS to be empathetic and/or tolerant to OTHERS- It demands the exact opposite, in fact... Trans activists will NEVER have a scenario where empathy for women and girls, or for children in general, requires putting the rights and safety of the 50% of the population who are female, ahead of "validating" the 0.5% who self-ID as trans... In every single case, """empathy""" means prioritizing the all-important "validation" of 0.5% of men, ahead of the basic safety and rights, of 100% of women/girls ....
See I really think it’s extremely cruel to indulge in a fantasy that will never turn out the way the person wishes for. It’s leading people down the garden path and responsible people would want to talk honestly about this so as not to prolong the agony in colluding in the lie.
I just always compare it to anorexia patients. It is not kind to affirm their delusion that they are fat because they aren't, and they will die if we enforce it. Same thing with a schizophrenic patient who thinks the voices in their head are real... we do not affirm it because it's not. There is no difference between these cases and people who claim to be trans in my opinion. There are mental health issues at play that need to be addressed and dealt with, first and foremost. That is the kind approach!
The parents who transitioned their child will fight that they did the right thing for the rest of their lives - she's right. At the same time, the child they allowed to be mutilated will hate and despise them for the rest of their own life, never forgiving their parents and cutting off all contact with them. There is going to be such a reckoning the likes of which no society has ever experienced before.
When I was a therapist there was a period when suddenly people came to see me claiming to be multiple personalties. About a year later the wave was over. Several of my colleagues had the same experience
Helen is the most balanced understanding commentator on this subject of all commentators on this subject - she is firm in her opinions and articulates it so well. She runs rings round people without intending to - it is they who re stuck in the wrong circles
Peter, “So you don’t believe there’s anyone, like Buck Angel, that has something different in their brain?” Helen, “Absolutely not, absolutely not.” Thank you for saying this Helen. We are our bodies. Which part of their bodies has somehow accidentally ended up in the wrong system? How about the liver? Heart? Left hand? How is this any different than saying they got the wrong brain? It’s a ridiculous notion.
She said she wants to 'reduce' the amount of trans people. That's against an adults bodily autonomy. Imagine if she said the same thing about abortion.
@@amberticoExcept it's not adults but kids and teenagers. She meant reduce the amount of mostly young people that incorrectly transition (and then detransition). Back when they had gatekeeping and doctors were responsible, they didn't make medical transition the first and only solution and so they kept a lot of mentally unwell people from harming themselves. The harm caused needs to be reduced.
@@amberticoIf she said we need to reduce the amount of abortions, it would have been normal, responsible thing to say. Birth control and sex ed are in place to reduce the number of abortions or unwanted children. Abortions have serious consequences for women's physical and psychological health. Many cannot conceive naturally after having an abortion, most suffer from guilt and even depression. Unless they are psychopaths, of course. Banning abortion is wrong cause we cannot assume we can educate every single person to be responsible (young people from problematic homes, rapists etc) but trying to reduce the number of abortions is very important from the standpoint of wellbeing of women. Abortion is not something you want women to go through, quite the opposite. But sometimes not having an abortion can have worse consequences.
I am a gay man and I am in 100% agreement with Helen Joyce her book is a fantastic read and you end up being totally enlightened on the subject. Why does not Stonewall or other individuals etc debate Helen Joyce because she has reality and truth on her side? Listen and then you agree with her. I have had many discussions with other gay men and after hearing Helen most of the guys who are not mentally ill agree with her.
Because she's not willing to be honest. When her entire campaign is about strawmanning a group of people and ignoring their criticisms, why would you think any debate with her would be fruitful? If she was honestly engaging with the criticisms, the very first thing she'd do is justify the gender-binary. Instead, she's LITERALLY the director of a group called "Sex Matters". "most of the guys who are not mentally ill agree with her" couldn't help but slap ableism in there, could ya...
@@Capybarrrraaaa Those groups don't make "Criticisms" - they make claims, and then time and again fail to support them. And seriously, how is the gender binary more in need of a defense than the claim that gender is something someone can simply declare?
@@bosmosis Feel free to test your theory that they fail to support them; what I see is well-meaning people with solid arguments, having their lack of rhetorical technique exploited by dishonest assholes. People can be right, but bad at explaining it, ya know. And, to answer your question; Because cisnormative society asks for both. All that's asked of you is that you settle that hypocrisy and pick a side for yourself, preferably the one that doesn't force conformity to stereotypes. Axioms are already settled, and that makes our response rather easy to make. Feel free to inquire further; there're none such as Joyce or Walsh, here, to derail honest conversation.
Peter, I chuckled a little every time you paused, put your head in your hand, and sighed. Very relatable! But seriously, Helen Joyce is always a pleasure to listen to. She's whip smart, on point, and absolutely fearless. Really great discussion.
As a new mother I go to a breastfeeding support group. Recently a woman joined who is raising her baby boy ‘gender neutral’. I can see that it is entirely driven by terminology which makes the mother feel she is being progressive and allowing her child to choose who they are. At what point does this linguistic approach become deterministic, putting ideologies into the infant where their identity as their born sex is questionable. Like Helen states, this is a true case of mind body dualism. I find it even more curious as the mother has done the most female thing she can do, give birth and breastfeed her child, a biologically based ability, yet she feels it would be wrong to allow her son to be a male in the true sense of his biology?
Gender neutral is nonsense. We should give equal opportunities to our kids regardless of their sex - choice of toys, clothes, colours, activities and the way we speak to them (not applauding a rude boy or punishing a girl who is not polite and submissive). Other than that what is 'gender neutral'? Confusing kids with unclear language?
@@LoudMinded What you are describing is exactly what gender neutral means (At least my definition and every time I have heard it used). Most people tend to agree that there is some sort of influence that can be made to a child. If for a boy you only push blue and cars then you are not giving the choice. The point of gender neutral is to say the parent is going to make an effort to not push the socially norms of gender; toys, colors, clothes and activities to allow the child to pick what they like. It is not saying that the child is not a Boy or Girl but a boy can play with dolls if they choose to and a girl can play with a car while dress in blue. Having both a girl and boy with an effort to not push certain gender roles to them they have ended up gravitating to those norms and are cisgender. I am a believer that gender is both biological and social.
@@Wunder_Dog We are also not alone in raising them, my kid gets some backwards stereotypical ideas from cartoons and questions me when I say something is not only for girls/boys :) It's hard to say if it's biology or the omnipresent unicorn vs dinosaur message in every store, magazine, TV... As for the new meaning of 'gender neutral', I've seen parents that don't tell their kids what sex they are, allowing them to choose to be a girl or a boy themselves. That is one of the confusing and illogical aspects I don't understand.
@@LoudMinded I agree that strange because we still live in a society/culture that they have to live in and like it or not there norms of a society and I could see that could cause problems but haven't put much thought into either. We have had the same thing when my daughter will say pink is only for girls or long hair or ear rings, etc. So I am familiar with the conversation that something is not only for boys or girls.
It is very important for children to know the parts of their bodies, including sexual anatomy, early on, and to know what a boy is and what a girl is. This denying children basic information is just awful for them.
“Very clever people can lie to themselves more impressively than non-clever people“ would seem to be a double edged sword. I really enjoyed the conversation!
As a feminist, Helen is just a great feminist to me, and I can tell them a mile off because they defend women vigorously. When others cowtow and flipflop they stay steadfastly resolute and Britain has a tradition of this which JK Rowling is a part of. I'm 35 but I was taught by these women and to me I've never even questioned the veracity of it. I feel like the US either didn't have a solid tradition or it was loosely based because the feminism in the US is fucking weird now. Like defend women's rights its not a difficult concept.
I do not believe she calls herself a feminist. Today you also need to define feminism. I also would like to know how hypergamy fits into any type of feminism. It is a very observable and scientific fact that nearly all women prefer men that are either are wealthier, more intelligent, have a higher social status, are taller and stronger, ... than them. If all women become equal they have automatically destroyed their own pool of prefered partners. This is one of the biggest issues I discuss with my wife, who is for equality of women (she does not want to call herself a feminist). So this is not me bashing feminism or saying there is not merit but pointing out a very critical issue in the movement.
Liberal feminism is big in the US unfortunately. Very individualist. Progressive movements in general seem to think sexism is solved. That’s my observation anyway, not sure how the UK compares, I’m sure there are similarities.
Helens closing statement was more than profound and makes this whole pile of confusion make sense. My neighbor attempted to get me evicted bc I will not participate in the word games and she happens to have 3 "trans" kids🤨🤔
Thank you Helen Joyce for your courage to speak your mind knowing the consequences of those wanting to argue a losing fight. The general public are no longer willing to have there nose pushed into the great lie. It is wonderful that no matter what RU-vid do, Twitter will show you on the internet, so I will watch your recent chat with Jordan Peterson. The fighting Irish come to the rescue. Also thanks to Peter for sharing your platform and open mind.
Thank you so much, Peter, for continuing to bring your audience these highly interesting conversations. It shouldn't be brave, but here on RU-vid & in this day & age it obviously is. It's brave because engaging in such discussions is something most people aren't willing to do anymore. Much respect sent from England 🇬🇧
Helen Joyce is as real a woman as you will find anywhere. She is honest, real, authentic and is not afraid to say it like it is - without being disrespectful to anyone. This is a fantastic interview, and it is a great one to share with anyone who is starting to realize where the trans movement is so very wrong. Thanks for having this conversation - great work. The book is awesome too Helen, thanks.
"History" is literally just what is written, there is no wrong side. I'm happy being on the "rightside" of biology, and preventing child abuse. Great discussion, Helen it so brave and articulate, it a shame she left maths...
"There are only 2 sexes, and sometimes that matters." And for this, a person has to be brave enough to risk the likelihood that their professional life will be destroyed for saying it. That friends will be afraid to publicly associate with you. That politicians will accuse you of being a terrorist and seek to make laws to criminalize the verbal expression of your ideas.
@@RussCR5187 yep. And that ending! My goodness. Just goes to show why we have to fight like hell to end this contagion NOW! Every child lost to it just means another family of zealots who will never stop trying to foist this on us all, damaging more and more in their wake.
I'm glad Helen mentioned BBC Radio 4's Women's Hour here - they have been an absolute travesty on this. So disappointing for most sensible British women who enjoyed Women's Hour and tuned in to this programme across their lifetimes; that used to represent their concerns and interests. Dame Jenni Murray had to leave as the Presenter due to the BBC's supporting of gender ideology. I'm appalled that they more recently invited the man calling himself Grace Lavery on to speak and haven't had Helen once - they're just disgraceful these days.
Brilliant conversation, thank you both. I endorse all the comments I’ve seen here. I read Helen Joyce’s book ‘Trans, when Ideology meets Reality’ when it was published. Excellent book. On the point of males being innately stronger than females, I am a 66 year-old female, 5ft 2inches tall and weigh around 9 stones. My husband is a 70yr old male (these days you have to spell it out!). He weighs around 9 stones and is 5ft 6inches tall. I cycle daily and have always kept active and fit. He walks once a week around 15km and can go long periods without walking. He has never exercised regularly. However, he has a much greater strength than me. He always has had. Even as a slightly built man he has an innate strength much greater than mine, simply because he is male. The insanity of males in female sports is beyond comprehension. The only explanation is the collective fear of offending the powerful cult of ‘Gender Ideology’. Keep up the fantastic work Helen and Peter you are both heroes in a world gone mad.
My dad was in the archaeology and anthropology department for his entire career. You absolutely can sex very old skeletons in most cases. I know and have known for decades some of his colleagues who are very prestigious in this field and do so regularly as part of their work.
I haven't worked in anthropology or archaeology and I know you can tell the difference between male and female adult skeletons by sight. Female hips... Male shoulders (and hips)... Hand and wrist proportions... Solar plexus/chest cavity (larger in males)... It's not rocket science. Tssk!
I am just a normie and I can tell you that you can look at the Femurs, or the pelvic bones (if they're not damaged beyond recognition) and know which sex it is. It's infuriating how they want to degrade people who spend their entire professional careers in these fields by saying it's impossible to sex skeletal remains because our current culture says it's not fashionable to acknowledge reality. It worries me what your father and his colleagues field might be like in 10 years at this rate if they're not allowed to speak truth and reality.
I'm not an archeologist, but I've worked in post-disaster recovery, and I can definitely tell the difference between a man's remains and a woman's remains, even when there's very little left. There are so many differences between men and women biologically!
I've watched several interviews of Helen talking about her book and the trans ideology and every time her ability to talk about it has paradoxically become more in depth and in greater detail but at the same time has also become more to the point and simple, she puts her point and reasoning across in such an efficient and logical way that anyone who would listen with an open and honest mind would have to agree with her analysis, she is definitely part of a group of people on many subjects who are starting to take back some ground on the battle of trust with experts and for lack of a better catch all term a talking head, there is an ever growing list of people with whom I might not agree with 100% on various topics and issues but I will always listen to what they say because they are arguing from an honest and thought out position and we need many more like her and yourself to make the world a place where we can talk and disagree and not draw battle lines. Thanks to both of you a great discussion
3:24 The problem with treating this fraud as though it were real at times when it supposedly "doesn't matter" is that it gets people used to treating the fraud as though it were real in cases where it will matter. You have to understand that the fraudsters' one goal is to erase normality. They are going to try to exploit any foothold they can get, into a bigger purchase.
I agree. I was just thinking why I am uneasy with men in dresses pretending to be women. I don’t mind gender non conformity in either sex in fact I think it’s a healthier society to an extent however a man with a fetish wearing a short skirt and fishnet stockings to work or the supermarket? No thanks, I don’t want society accepting open paraphilia in public and normalising it.
@rensha8635 That’s the scary part. There's an article "Yes, Kink Belongs at Pride, and I Want My Kids To See It" (😲🤦🏾♀️) and I'd love to ask the author: "Don't you care what KIDS want?" because I was born in a hellhole neighborhood where us kids got exposed to things we never should've been exposed to; and I even used to pray God would make me a boy, because being a little girl there was more dangerous. It's probably why I was such a tomboy. It's selfish and narcissistic for adults to expose CHILDREN to sex fetishes. WE DON'T LIKE THAT!!! Children deserve childhoods. Sex and fetishes are something adults can do with consenting adults, but it's unfair -- it's INEQUITABLE, to use the Woke term -- to expose children to that shit. Children can't unsee, unhear, unfeel, unsuffer. We carry it with us till the day we die.
Ever enthralling and so informative Helen Joyce , she is so clear and unwavering , a much needed voice cutting through all of the madness , thank you Helen .
Helen Joyce is really a well balance woman, highly educated and magnificently & logically dissects the problems of todays trans-obsessed "modern" society.
Fantastic interview. Helen Joyce is such a breath of fresh air! Thank you Peter (fellow Armenian!) For holding suh great discussions with such brilliant minds.
Thanks Helen and Peter for such an interesing conversation. It's a thoroughly depressing and disturbing time. I'm the sacrificial lamb in my own liberal/woke family because I'm standing up for the rights of women. Can guarantee they'll all swap sides when it suits and claim they never believed this rubbish all along.
The 3rd category Helen referred to is in India too. Our transgender folks never say they are women. They just enjoy dressing up as women and enjoy being with men. This surgery thing is a recent phenomenon in India
I grew up southern Baptist but I became an atheist early in adulthood. I have received more hate , censorship and vitriol from woke lefties than I ever did from my religious friends and family. I honestly regret much of the new atheist movement, most people are not logical enough to avoid unfounded beliefs so now the new exploding religion is wokeness. I would legitimately rather be associated with many traditional Christians than with woke atheists these days. Something I would have never dreamed of saying a decade ago.
Helen Joyce is amazing! 'Trans' as a distinct, category of people uniquely different from any other group of ppl is absurd. "Trans" ppl are just ppl who think of themselves in a certain manner. There's no distinct group of ppl who are biologically, physically different just by saying they're 'trans'.
They've played a really clever trick these past few years by clumping trans with gay and calling both an identity when only one is. For example , I do not simply identify as gay. It's just a fact that I am same-sex attracted. Gay describes my sexual orientation -- it's not a feeling and it's not a chosen identity. Trans is a feeling, a belief in one's gendered soul, an aesthetic choice, or a mix of all three. It's a medical pathway that one consciously chooses. A trans identity is self-defined. There isn't any objective definition or observable truth. I am gay whether or not I construct an identity around it. Gay sex and gay romance existed before people had a word to describe it. Trans does not exist without an identity to mould itself to. There aren't trans people out there who are innately trans but simply don't have the word for it. It's not natural or universal the way same-sex attraction is. Now, there are many aspects of LGB culture that are culture-bound. And many LGB people do happily construct identities around their sexual orientation. But the orientation on its own is not an identity. The Left lost when it allowed facts and immutable things to be re-cast as identities, because now many people think trans is the new gay and support the movement on that basis.
"Sorry for that depressing ending." The implications of her final statements are disturbing and frightening, yes, but we really should confront them, right here, right now, because tomorrow tends to be too late.
So awesome, a lot of food for thought. It also gives me hope for the future that this brilliant brave woman is willing to stand up for the truth. Common sense will return if people like her can get their message out.
Really great interview, thanks! That final thought of Helen's about parents who have transed their child being the ones who will never let it go because they have harmed their own kid makes so much sense. And how in an organization you can never talk truth to these parents because everything depends on the lie. It makes me feel sorry for them, angry at them and sorry for them. To me, they are like parents who forget kids in locked cars. I used to have a really instinctive disgust towards those parents until I read an article telling stories of how it can happen. Sometimes kids in hot cars are victims of modern life distractions and technology, not necessarily intentional parental neglect. I think in a similar way, parents who trans their kids didn't mean it. They got fooled, distracted by a crazy fad and they did a terrible thing that cannot be undone. There is probably some narcissism and pill-popping going on as well but the consequences on the kid probably were not part of the plan. I would hope they face the truth and their pain and get some compassion from the rest of us.
Helen is the sanest voice in this fight. Absolutely crystal clear thought. You are getting there, Peter. You could stop using the euphemisms "bottom/top surgery". Call it what it is.
Helen Joyce is absolutely outstanding. Her explanations are succinct and hugely knowledgable. Peter does not seem to be able to keep up in places lol. A great conversation however between the two of them. Helen is just fantastic! She explains everything in ways that I wish I could.
17:56 "People can believe remarkably ignorant things because they're never challenged on it" I'm absolutely terrified that as I grow into old age, the doctors who will be treating me will have no idea how because all they've been taught is to affirm their patient's crazy self-affirmations.
Thank you. Helen Joyce is so clear, logical and erudite. There is no one better. I wish everyone in every captured institution heard this and everything she says and writes.
I’m not even past the intro yet, and FINALLY someone saying the EXACT things I have. Stop saying there’s any such thing as “real trans” because that’s what is even putting the thought in people’s heads that they may be one, and it is a culture bound syndrome. 100% exactly!
