Thank you! I was raised Mormon by my converted parents. I broke away when I was 18. I was very jaded from my broken home and broken religious experience. I came to finally accept Jesus Christ as my Savior and God in 2022!! Born again Christian here. 🙌🏽 So much happier!!
A lot of people in the comments are claiming that the guy in the video is wrong and that Mormons believe that Jesus is God. I have a genuine question, then. What did Joseph Smith see as an abomination in the Christian denominations? If LDS teachings are so similar to Christian teachings, then what was the catalyst for him needing to start his own church?
Exactly. I was raised mormon. GOD brought me out of it. It takes about 5-15 minutes of a Google search to entirely disprove Mormonism, Joseph Smiths claims, and all his writings. The problem is that Mormons aren’t allowed to look at that stuff. I was taught growing up that if anything is said about the church that didn’t come from the church itsself, then it couldn’t be trusted. “Anti” Mormons is the term. The problem is, the Bible and the history of the Mormon church are the two best anti-Mormon things out there.
That's actually a really good question! It's one thing to lead "restoration" or "reformation", it's an entirely different thing to make your own religion 😅
Great question. Joseph Smith lived during the second great awakening, and his chief question was simply this. If there is one God, why are there so many Christian churches? Didn’t Jesus establish only one church? He resolved to ask God which of these churches he should join, and we believe that Christ told him that he should answer “none of them.“ In time, God used him to establish the restored church of Jesus Christ.
I’m Mormon and a lot of people I talk to in the church don’t consider themselves “Christians” today in 2024. In fact the earliest “Christians” actually called themselves saints, not Christians. Anyways I don’t think I’m Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ and know that I’ll be saved through my faith in him, but I don’t feel the need to follow all the mainstream christian “rules” in order to be deemed a real Christian. A lot of people feel the need to fit in. Christ never did.
Exactly. They arent "Christian" so to speak. If to be Christian you have to believe in the "Holy Trinity" then by that definition they arent. But being a Christian is putting your faith into jesus christ and believing him. They also arent a "cult" either is that was the case then every religion is a "cult". We have our own way of Christianity so does the Jehovahs witness, Catholic, baptist, and so on. But in the end. We all believe in Jesus Christ. And THAT is the true definition of Christianity. Not matter how you perceive the Bible. (Im LDS)
One of the major problems is they have “ The Book of Mormon “. The Bible EXPLICITLY says in Revelation 18-20 that no one is to add to or take away from the Book of Revelation. I’m pretty sure he also wants the same for the rest of the Bible.. They follow a false prophet..
This actually isn’t as big of an issue as you’d think. John himself likely wrote his epistles after he left the Isle of Patmos (which is where he received the vision that we know as the book of Revelation), which means that John himself added to scripture after the book of Revelation was finished. Additionally, the modern cannon of the Bible wasn’t established at the time John wrote the book, so he can’t possibly have been referring to the Bible itself. I think it’s more likely that he was warning us not to add to the book of revelation itself, because God meant for it to be presented in the form that John was commanded to write it.
@@BrandonJones-em9me that was John, NOT a false prophet by the name of Joseph Smith .. So u are legitimizing this False prophet by comparing him to John??
@@tamb7587 primarily, I’m pointing out how Revelation 22:18 is often misinterpreted. It refers only to the book of Revelation. With regards to Joseph Smith, though, yes I believe that he held the same authority as John. The same authority that Russel M Nelson holds today. Jesus told them all to write, and they wrote. Jesus chooses prophets, not me.
@@BrandonJones-em9me no offence but Joseph smith is not a prophet. not only does your religion claim Jesus's brother is lucifer which is not biblical. John 3:16 he was the only son. but you guys baptize the dead. in psalms it says the dead knows nothing. polygamy and a plethora of other things. No archeological evidence of the things that were claimed by the book of mormon. not in one single museum. Also the seer stone and the "prophet's ties and connection to masonry" the list doesn't end there though. I believe there are sincere people in that faith but nevertheless the institution on its own is founded in lies and I would encourage them to look for the truth in Christ alone written in the word of God.
@@tamb7587 The problem with saying the Bible is all we need is saying we don't need prophets or the God to speak to us anymore. As a result, there are thousands of Christian churches at odds with each other over doctrine, because they are ran by men (and some by women) with personal opinions as to what the Bible says. I don't think Christ when He organized His church meant for it to be divided. He said, "If you are not one, ye are not mine". Say what you will about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, they at least make a claim to have a prophet and 12 Apostles just like Christ's original church.
@@ruthparks5120 He was murdered but it's a lot more complicated than him being killed because he was Mormon. A splinter group had formed and a newspaper created which had gone after Smith for his polygamy, along with his theocractic tendencies, and some of his beliefs such as believing that humans could become gods(this is also another reason why Mormons believe a false gospel and are not Christian.) Smith and the city council of Nauvoo, IL, where he and his followers were living at the time, wanted that printing press destroyed because they were worried about violence potentially being incitied against Mormons. However, destroying that press got the critics of Smith even angrier, spurred on by a different newspaper, and Smith would eventually be gunned down by an angry mob in 1844.
When did that happen? I’m pretty sure someone who named their church “the church of Christ“ probably wouldn’t make that statement unless there was some nuance to it.
He is right, this is what I have learned from the missionaries. Just hear us out members of the LDS church, we are offended when you say all of our creeds were an abomination. I trust in a God who preserved His church throughout all time and did not need a restoration. To me that is a different God than the one you believe in. Just try to step back for a minute and understand why we as Christians are offended by some of the things yall teach. In our perspective, they are a whole different gospel.
Thanks for the criticism. I’m sorry that you were offended by the way that message was shared with you. The way I see it, I’m incredibly grateful for the deep faith and genuine sacrifice of so many that kept Christianity alive since the time of Christ. I do believe that God loves us, and that he continues to speak with us. Why would a loving God stop talking to his children? At its core, I think that’s one of the most important messages of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
Such a loose definition. Might as well say Jesus and Paul were Henotheistic. 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, 2 Corinthians 4:4. John 10:34. Of Course LDS believe other "gods" exist as did most early Christians but we only worship the one and only God who is the Father. If you truly believe only one God exists and the others are just fake then your version of monotheism is not biblical.
@@jacobsamuelson3181 How does that disprove Christianity? I know Paul was henotheistic/monolatrous according to 1 Corinthians 8:4-6. But to say Paul was a Mormon, that's too farfetched.
@@LegioAeternum Who's trying to disprove Christianity? I'm trying to teach people what Christianity really is. It isn't a Trinity. It isn't some council of men's opinions. It isn't a singular God. God is a family unit with a Father, a Mother, a Brother and siblings. It is not this unimaginable hypostatic union where the Son and the Father are the same being, it is an unbreakable bond of love towards each other where the Son will do anything the Father asks and in return the Son will receive anything the Father has. Its not that hard to understand, but the Trinity has warped what the Bible teaches and puts an impossible definition of what and who God is. No the Trinity is NOT Christianity and Paul was not a Trinitarian, he was a Saint. I'm not a Mormon, I'm a Latter-day Saint. You guys just put labels on us to make it hard to see and accepted the popular views. We don't care about popularity we care about truth. And the truth is God came to a prophet Joseph Smith and restored the definition of Christianity apart from the Trinity.
@@jacobsamuelson3181 Ur tryna say Greek philosophy paganized Christianity. The Church Fathers, despite Greek philosophy being pagan, still applied Greek philosophy and there is nothing ungodly about studying evolution, Greek philosophy, or whatever.
From 2 Nephi 31 of the Book of Mormon… 21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.
I don’t know that it really helps you to say that we aren’t Christians. It just sparks further division and leads to both sides of the conversation becoming offended. It is not edifying. The Spirit isn’t in it. We both love Christ, so let’s start there. I know that Jesus Christ is my savior, and that without His grace, I am nothing. I know that He loves you and me. I know that because He loves us, he has not stayed silent since early theologians finalized a Biblical canon. I know that He leads my church and speaks through modern apostles and prophets. We all do our best to follow the Living Christ, and if He tells me today that He has words for me to hear and know, and the Spirit testifies to me that those words are true, then who am I to be found to fight even against God?
The ironic thing about claiming Mormons are not Christian by Protestants of any stripe, is that Protestants broke away from the Catholic Church, yet accepts its doctrine that the trinity is one essence/person, which makes no sense, since why did God speak to Christ when He was baptized, or why did Christ prayed to His Father if they were one of the same? Also, all those who accuse Mormons are not Christian ignore the name of their church, which is named after Him, the Articles of Faith which declare Him and His gospel as the only means of being saved, and all ordinances and prayers are done in His name.
"Which makes no sense" is a fallacy of incredulity so your whole paragraph is invalid as an argument. The doctrine of the trinity states that there is one God composed of three distinct persons, when you stablish interactions you have to do it between persons, so it's actually correct to say that while the Father and the Son are one God, they can talk and interact between each other. When you say "How can they interact if they're one and the same?" you're not understanding the trinity since your question implies you're taking God as one person.
Well I can only speak from my own experience and faith as a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints…the God I pray to in the name of Jesus Christ has worked undeniable absolute miracles in my life. The Jesus Christ of the Book of Mormon - who I believe in - is absolutely God.
Thank you for clearing this, I been asking myself, how it came about, so I tried watching this movie of Lehi n I did not understand a thing what was happening, I decided to dig because of this movie called the Last page ,this guy reading said new 12 disciples were chosen in America,that's why I had to go crazy investgating
@@MatthewMurraycogswothI would recommend things from Apologia Church/Jeff Durbin/James White. They are from AZ and minister gently and plainly to Mormons there. They also go to UT and minister during big celebrations they have at their Temple.
Except that Christianity or bible based religion isn't Christianity. It's tens of thousands of different denominations, each with its own interpretation and understanding of the bible. No two of them are exactly alike in that regard. So they each have their own gospel, Christ, and God. It is hydra, not Christianity.
Not all Christians are trinitarians...just going to put that out there. There isnt only Mormonism OR trinitarianism. The Bible is the only book that we need to teach of God and who He is, and in that one book is a complete, undefiled definition of God. The council of Nicea was a man-made twisting to fit the culture, where trinitarianism was born. I am a Christian, but not a trinitarian.
Completely agree. With all due respect to my Trinitarian brothers and sisters, I have never understood how the council of Nicea had the authority to declare revealed doctrine anyways when the canon was supposedly closed. I would welcome an explanation, since I’m by no means an expert on that history.
My moms still mornon whenever we talk about the lord ahe always brings up mornon propaganda and i always tell her thats not in the bible her response is yes it is?i think shes starting to realize how much she gets her beliefs from basically gnosticism cause she states it like wait a minute its not in the bible so where am i getting this...pray for her she's coming around slowly years of indoctrination has to deconstructed sola scriptora brothers
I can tell that you are sincere, and I appreciate the concern. However, if you truly understood what I know and have truly felt the spiritual experiences I've felt, you would NOT be making this video right now. EVERY SINGLE verse testifies of the divinity of Christ. Every verse supports the Bible. I challenge anyone to find me just one verse from The BoM that contradicts doctrines put in place by ancient prophets and even Christ himself. The Bible doesn't actually mention anything about the Trinity, or three personages in one being. Please be open to new revelation. Come, read the BoM, learn more about the God you ALREADY KNOW ABOUT. I'm sorry to be offensive, sorry if I offended.
Well you got that wrong didnt you and once more with all respect you know you twisted our belief there. You twisted it just as the pharicies twisted the teachings of our savior. And one more thing when you go out of your way to tear down another faith instead of just sharing yours, you have nothing.
Another danger is that Christians can start with a real Jesus and switch to a fake jesus through maintaining that "Jesus is Lord" confession but returning to an active sinful lifestyle. 1st John 1 says they dont do truth and are lying. They say they have no sin, that is, that because they got born again they won't be eternally separated from God for eternity. Without actual repentance they will get to the place where the word of eternal life is no longer in them. 1 John 1:1-10.
You made some fair points about the distinctions between the religions. Still, I think all gospels are false gospels. Religion fails over and over in its truth claims.
As a member of the church if Jesus Christ of later-day saints, I think you have misunderstanding of what we Believe. We do believe that Jesus is both God and mortal. God because of the Father and mortal because of Mary. As such Jesus is both God and man.. Therefore he has the divine ability to be our Savior. I think we both believe that part. I just think you might not quite understand what we know about Jesus Christ. I may not have explained it well, but I can tell you that you did not catch our beliefs accurately. We are Christian as we do believe in Jesus Christ and that he saves us from our sins.
The Book of Mormon has on its title page a description of its two purposes according to the men who wrote it. The second is. "the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations"
Mormon is a nickname given to the church by someone, the correct name is THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, so if he really respected his "friends" he would have used the correct name, and let people that don't know that understand, so the "mormans" are Christians it's in the name and gospel is true, love you all ❤🤙, but instead of trying prove who's wrong we should understand that we all believe in Heavenly father and Jesus Christ and holy spirit and we should be trying every day to be CHRIST like and follow his path back to Heavenly Father
Like said, "Mormon" was never the name of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints it was a nickname given by someone the church has never they wanted to be known by "Mormons", hope you all are doing well, love ya all 🤜🤛❤️🤙
I appreciate this guy's sincerity, and he's not altogether wrong about us having big differences, but Jesus is definitely God to us. Good luck on your mission! It's an unbelievable thing.
I'd reckon you talk with your bishop or Elders/Sisters before leaving. Though, you'll go over this I assume in the MTC. El is God, our father. Jesus is our Lord God, our savior, the divine son of El.
@@Mr.CandleGuy It doesn't matter what your Bishop believes, but he may be able to show doctrine and give guidance on the Godhead. Saying "wait" and "I believe Jesus is God" on a post about why mormon's aren't christians in regards to the trinity just appeared that you seemed confused. Not saying you are confused, just seemed like you were caught confused by your belifes and the video. But it never hurts to have those conversations with the Bishop or other ministers of doctrine. It will either strengthen your thoughts, or break em!
Mormonism is true Christianity. When you hear someone bragging about being a traditional Christian they are a protestant who thinks that Christianity has only always had 66 books in the Bible when that has only been true the last 150 years.
A quick google search dispels that lie pretty quick. 66 books was established in 393 AD at the Council of Hippo. I'm sorry, but Mormonism is built on lies and you're believing it. Please turn away from it and turn to the only savior, Jesus.
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and have been for over 35 years. What this man is saying is not true. Jesus is God, we as members of Jesus Christ true church know that Heavenly Father, Jesus the Christ and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who make up the God head. The word God, is plural. God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ, appear to a young boy in the year of 1820 named Joseph Smith as two separate beings. The word Holy trinity was a made up word from unholy men and was never found anywhere in the Bible. The church of Jesus Christ of Latter days Saints is the Lord’s only true restored church, all are welcome.
@@dhblue431Wrong. Separate beings was accepted by many Orthodox Christians but have been viewed as heresy by the majority. The Trinity is based on popular vote not an actual revelation. This structure was how Jesus was killed.
Nope - let's not forget that your church that you claim welcomes all, thought that colored people were cursed and refused to let them be members. Also, you LDS folk believe that when people of colour become Mormon and go to heaven they'll turn into Caucasian people. Pretty destructive if you ask me.
I'm not a Mormon, but I do believe that all of us are born spiritually from the union of two spirit parents, one male and one female, including Jesus. Jesus is the son of God, who 'inherits' God's 'job'. The Holy Spirit is the son of Jesus. The Almighty is the Father of God the father of Jesus. The many generations of God. "The Father and I are one" is a spiritual state that Jesus invites all of us to return to: our state of oneness with God, instead of separation from Him. Jesus is God in the flesh, but he is not God the Father Himself, nor is he the Almighty God. God is like us in the sense that He is comes in eternal generations just like we do.
No offense , but I am LDS and an active member I know more than all of you about Christianity as well If one of the two of you has more Bible verses memorized than me I will get on my hands and knees and worship you You don’t Jesus is not created in Mormonism
@@williamanderson7757 Christianity believes in multiple gods, it’s all throughout the Bible Both Mormonism and Christianity have Jesus as the Supreme God of Gods
